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Well, as interesting as this might be to see, I don’t know if Link’s reluctant GF could stand a chance here. As in almost any situation where magic goes against technology, magic has the edge – except here.
I just think ZSS has too much battle tested experience for Zelda to withstand.
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August 31, 2009
#1
I wanna see Scenario, Skrunks and Origional A, The Nintexperts, To argue. Please, Don’t all just go for Samus….
August 31, 2009
#2
depends on the magic zelda got.if zelda is all powered up samus has little chance but i dont know zeldas magic in details so i wait a while.
August 31, 2009
#3
im thinking samus here, magic takes time, and i have never seen her do anything too impressive, but i may be wrong
August 31, 2009
#4
Unless you count SSB, I don’t see this fight in Zelda’s favor. From what I can remember, the games themselves don’t portray Zelda as having any offensive magic. All she ever did was unlocking doors, reviving a near-dead sidekick and creating and wielding the Light Arrows. Yes, Light Arrows can one-shot enemies in TWW, but those were evil creatures, the ones where the Light Arrows were originally geared against. Plus, she’s a terrible aimer, going by game mechanics.
I’d say Samus heavily outclasses her in every possible way (except maybe in wisdom, since she’s got, you know, the Triforce of Wisdom…)
And BTW, Zelda isn’t Link’s GF :p
August 31, 2009
#5
*im thinking samus here, magic takes time, and i have never seen her do anything too impressive, but i may be wrong*
meh it depends on how this battle starts out.they start being close to eachother (10-40 meter) or far away from eachother 40 meter+?
if they start close samus wins.she can make combos who wont stop until every bone in zelda is snapped.
at a far distance zelda can prepare a spell but the zero suit managed to hold blows in the terrawatt range but spells are different then plasma.
August 31, 2009
#6
I’m leaning towards Samus, as she still has her shields and energy tanks in her zero suit. Though weaker, I believe they would still be more than enough to deal with Zelda’s offensive magic, opening her for a quick blow from Samus’s paralyzer.
August 31, 2009
#7
This match entirely depends on which Zelda Samus is fighting.
Most Zeldas are featless so I’ll only list the ones that actually stand something of a chance.
OoT Zelda: has VERY powerful magic, but she isn’t a fighter. Samus could possibly get up to her and then lay down a smack down before she could do anything since Samus is hella fast. On the other hand if Zelda gets off a stun lock spell (like she did on Ganon of all things right before Link redesigns his face with the Master Sword) she could then send Samus through time and out of the battle. Alternatively she could go for a Sealing spell (it took all 7 Sages because Ganon is insainly powerful and he still broke the spell; Samus has no magic of her own and could easily be sealed). Sheik has no feats except the deku nut escape. Since Zelda is Sheik, Zelda appearnetly knows several teleportation spell and carries deku nuts, which are useful for stunning enemies.
Vs OoT Zelda results: I’m siding with Zelda for this one. She has a long range stun spell, a short range stun grenade, a long range banish spell, a short range banish spell, and can teleport. She has enough to get rid of Samus and keep herself away from Samus’s reach. She wouldn’t be able to kill Samus, but she could easily place Samus in a place where she would be stuck for the rest of her life.
WW Zelda aka Tetra: My second favorite princess (Midna being #1). Tetra is a bad ass. She has a dagger that she presumably knows how to use well (she is a pirate after all), so there is a melee option most Zelda’s don’t have. At the very least it would cause Samus to flinch. She has the Light Arrows, which are also bad ass and they would mess Samus up.
Light Arrows do concentrate on evil things, but that doesn’t mean they don’t hurt a ton against non-evil beings. Also Samus herself mentions in the Manga that when she first became a bounty hunter she did a lot of things that she isn’t proud of and got her hands dirty… she might be a paragon of all that is good in the Metroid U but that may not stand true under Zelda U views. Samus has wiped out a few species (at least 3 ones of importance and probably a few more that aren’t) and it is kind of hard to classify the Metroids as beings of evil when they were designed to protect the universe. Yeah those arrows are going to hurt.
Tetra is a pretty good shot, but I don’t think she is quite good enough to hit Samus without slowing Samus down somehow.
Vs Tetra/Zelda results: She has the stopping power but she can’t land a hit. Samus wins by dodging and closing the gap. She might be pushed back a few times by Tetra’s dagger, but then again maybe she won’t. Either way it isn’t going to stop Samus from beating Tetra down to the ground.
TP Zelda: It is hard to say whether or not Puppet Zelda’s feats are Ganondorf’s doing or Zelda’s body’s doing. For the sake of the match (and to buff Zelda up some) I’m going to assume that they were feats that Zelda could accomplish on her own. So Zelda has limited flying, which isn’t going to help since Samus can still jump up to her. Zelda’s magic tennis ball is rather potent but it is slow; on the plus side Zelda isn’t going to be hit by it since Samus probably wouldn’t try to bounce it back. Her charge will get heavily punished once Samus evades and counters it. And her Mark of the Triforce attack is just too slow and too limited in range. Once again Zelda has Light Arrows but lacks the ability to hit Samus with them. She might have a teleportation spell, but it also might have been the Light Spirits teleporting her and Link… so yeah.
Vs TP Zelda results: Same as Tetra. She has the punch, but she just can’t slow Samus down.
SSB Zelda/Sheik – She is faster than most Zeldas, but she spells lack the punch of the other ones. The deku nut no long stuns. Naryu’s love doesn’t last. Teleport doesn’t go very far. Neither does Din’s Fire. Needle Storm isn’t going to do too much. The only thing she has going for her is the fact that she is a trophy and as such cannot be beaten to death and HAS to be ring’d out.
Vs SSB Zelda results: Zelda… by way of Samus not having the strength to send Zelda the 100+ feet into the air that is required to “kill” her. Now if SSB Samus came into play that would be differant, but so would Samus’s speed.
Conclusion:
For the most part Samus is going to curb stomp Zelda. Tetra and TP Zelda will try to put up a fight but they are not going to last. SSB Zelda was a joke, but if thought about seriously that Zelda will outlast Samus by virtue of being indestructable. OoT Zelda ROFLSTOMPS Samus; A Sage’s power is not something to be taken lightly.
August 31, 2009
#8
OriginalA, you forgot FSA Zelda. In that game, she was able to open a passageway to the Four Sword room, contain the Dark Mirror, and seal evil spirits. So yes, the sage’s power is not to be taken lightly.
Then again, from what I can gather, those powers are also light-based. Meaning that their inherent power comes from smiting evil, but to do that, the opponent must be evil first. It can be debated that Samus’s record is not as clean as we’d like, but she was still prophecized by the Chozo to rid the universe of evil. There is no greater heroic act than that. Plus, Link isn’t all that virtuous either. He cuts chickens for fun (albeit with a very high disadvantage, you know what I mean) and he can even STEAL from a shop. Does that mean he isn’t good anymore? No, because he is still accepted by the Master Sword, the ultimate weapon against evil. Likewise, Samus may have done some questionable things, but the fact still remains she’s the protagonist, and one that has the faith of the Chozo with her.
So even with her awesome sage powers, I don’t see Zelda winning this match.
August 31, 2009
#9
As much as i like Zelda, she is at a major disadvantage. Mostly because of speed
August 31, 2009
#10
I think Zelda wins this due to how powerful she is when you fight her near the end of TP, I think she could simply fly above Samus and blast her with the same magic attacks she uses on Link.
August 31, 2009
#11
If we argue just about physical abilities and feats performed, I think Samus would be holding all the cards against most incarnations of Zelda.
However, if we figure into this that Zelda is a Sage and bears the Triforce of Wisdom, then I don’t see Samus lasting very long here at all.
August 31, 2009
#12
It all depends on the situation.
August 31, 2009
#13
@ Tim: Samus has a stun gun that stops Space Pirates cold even though those same Space Pirates and survive 1/8th of the total energy consumed by us humans measured on a yearly basis. That is a heck of a stun gun. And the magic wasn’t all that fast; Samus could easily dodge it.
@ Dago: I never played FSA so I didn’t know, but Samus was only ever herald as the Protector of the Galaxy, which is a big differance from “ridder of evil in the entire universe”.
As mentioned killing evil creatures isn’t a bad thing in the morality system in the Zelda U. In the games that Link can kill coccos (LA), steal (LA), kill non-evil characters (MM), or generally do something that isn’t slaying evil (nothing else comes to mind actually), he doesn’t weild the Master Sword, the Triforce of Courage isn’t prominate, the act can be undone (MM), and those adventures are side adventures; important sure, but they are not the quest that the goddesses destin for him… that quest is already done by that point.
The protagonist title means nothing. Kratos (GoW) is a “protagonist” yet he is clearly a Chaotic Evil, Heroic Sociopath, Villian Protagonist.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChaoticEvil
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HeroicSociopath
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VillainProtagonist
Being a Protagonist doesn’t make someone automatically immune to Evil’s Bane. Additionally Link’s crimes are trifles to Samus’s. At worst Link kills one person. Samus causes genocide and total extinction. She isn’t evil, but she isn’t exactly clean. Going off the of the TvTropes, Samus falls on Chaotic Good, but some of her darker moments probably land her around Lawful Neutral.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChaoticGood
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LawfulNeutral
Link lands a step above that at Neutral Good.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NeutralGood
Even though Link is at least one step above Samus on the character alingment chart, and he had the protection of the goddesses, and he is resistant to magic, he still takes a good licking from Light Arrows.
I’m still convinced that OoT Zelda can win this. Any of the other ones though… not so much. Incedentally OoT Zelda doesn’t actually have Light Arrows.
September 1, 2009
#14
@OriginalA
Meh, the titles are pretty much identical, or at least in practice. Protecting the galaxy is really the same as slaying the threat.
Yes, I am familiar with the AD&D lawful/neutral/chaos good/neutral/evil system. The fact that she does both good and evil makes her neutral at the very least, so she shouldn’t have the same weakness Ganondorf has, who really is pure evil, and full of greed and malice.
And Link does tease chickens and pigs, pisses of Subrosians by cutting their signs, and even kills innocent Skull Kids, all in games where Link has the Master Sword in his possession.
Princess Zelda from OoT gave Link the Light Arrows, so they were in her possession. Had she had a bow, I think she would have fought against Ganon much in the same way she did in both TWW and TP.
All these awesome sage powers, again, were used against pure evil, so we can’t know for sure what it’ll do to Samus. The Light Arrows are the only light-based weapon which is seen to hurt Link, but even then, Zelda is a terrible aimer, and Samus would probably be too agile for her.
September 1, 2009
#15
i think a hit from the stun gun is enough.except for the magic zelda is a normal human.if a space pirate can be paralyzed for a few secs then it will do some actual major damage to a human.does zelda have a official shielding spell?i know she can do nayrus love in SSBB but i doubt the SSB games are considered canon here?
the main problem here is that zeldas magic is based on fighting pure evil.as said here samus doesnt have a clean record but to actully call her evil is uncalled for.maybe samus gets her hands a little more filthy because after metroid fusion it looks like she is against the federation (for good reasons though) but a person who is being chased does extreme things for survival but this is only speculation.
i changed my opinion at first i thought zelda would win but im a bit neutral now leaning towards samus.1 misfired spell or a uneffective spell is a price zelda cannot afford.
September 1, 2009
#16
And for all we know her zero suit energy shielding could absorb some of the magic. Metroid sadly operates in the terawatts… so that magic better pack a punch! And I’m the guessing the stun gun would be a OKHO on a completely unshielded/armored person such as zelda.
September 2, 2009
#17
I’m not saying that the Light spells will hit Samus like they hit Ganon. I’m saying that they will hit Samus harder then when they hit Link, which comparatively was a decent blow since those do a couple of hearts even when he takes half damage. Also teasing animals, annoying people, and killing arguably soulless, chaotic neutral beings that may or may not retreat before they are killed is hardly on par with Samus who has indescrimitly killed such things by the thousands.
Sealing magic isn’t the kind of magic that is based on Light against Evil. It seals things; plain and simple. It keeps things in one place and away from another. It just so happens that Zelda usually wants to keep Evil things away from everything else. Her Sage powers, if anything, are based off of Time rather than Light. Rouru was the Sage of Light, and Zelda revealed herself in the Temple of Time (the only temple that didn’t have a Sage).
Even if Samus’s suit can absorb some magic it isn’t going to protect her from being sent through time. That is kinda permanent and Zelda already showed herself more then capable of bending time to her will.
I don’t think Zelda is going to “misfire” a spell since she hasn’t done that yet nor is there precedence of such a thing happening in the series. Being uneffected by it is also unlikely. The Bryyoians used a type of magic and that hurt her fairly well. Zelda doesn’t really have an offensive spell outside of Light Arrows either. Just banishment, stun lock, and unlock kind of spells. Mind you that is magic that will stop Ganon in his tracks for a few moments. It has a heck of a kick.
With the proper usage of teleport spells (which she seemed to be able to pull off pretty fast as Sheik) she should be able to hit Samus with either a deku nut or a stun spell and after that it is a few simple notes on the Ocarina of Time and Samus is done for.
But that is OoT Zelda only and even then it is 50/50 odds at the very best for Zelda. Anything expect her top game is going to result in Samus kicker her butt. Against any of the other Zeldas Samus is going to win.
September 2, 2009
#18
“bending time to her will”? Please do tell me where she does just that. Oh, and being responsible for the creation of the split timeline doesn’t count, since timetravel mechanics already operate in conjunction with the Master Sword. Besides, if she was that powerful, I’m sure she could have zipped all of the game’s bosses to another time period. Except she didn’t, probably because she couldn’t.
As far as sealing goes, she has shown to open locked gates and temporarily paralyse an already heavily weakened Ganon. The actual sealing, both in OoT and FSA, had to be done by all 7 sages. Meaning she can only briefly stun Samus and not lock her in another dimension.
The way I see it, Zelda can prevent Samus from landing a shot for a while, but she would only just delaying the inevitable; getting her butt kicked by Samus.
September 3, 2009
#19
“The actual sealing, both in OoT and FSA, had to be done by all 7 sages. Meaning she can only briefly stun Samus and not lock her in another dimension.”
I’d like to point out that Samus doesn’t carry a divine artifact drawn for the Goddess of Power, unlike Ganondorf.