Zeratul Vs Samus | FactPile

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December 16th, 2009 at 8:01 am -

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For this match, Samus has to capture Zeratul alive and return him to Kerrigan. He is believed to on Aiur. Samus has some leads as to his possible location on the planet. She has only 48 hours to accomplish her task.

Who wins?

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sapper007
December 16, 2009
#1

Im not saying samus is going to lose one on one combat…. but she fails her mission…
Scenario
December 16, 2009
#2

The problem here is that Samus is not a traditional Bounty Hunter. She does search and destroy missions as well as some bodyguard duty and item finding. I don’t think Samus actually has any non- lethal weapons. Even the ice beam and emergency pistol wouldn’t last long enough to capture anything unless she had a pair of handcuffs or something left over from her Federation Police days.
Asger
December 16, 2009
#3

With limited grasp of Zeratul I have, and the scenario that has been provided, I don’t see Samus being able to complete this mission in the limited time alloted.
Whacko
December 16, 2009
#4

Since alive most likely means “kinda intact and with his brain still functioning” I say Samus fail. If it was killing it would be a different matter entirely.
ss
December 16, 2009
#5

i have a question, with zmans personality, would he run and hide or face her head on
Megaraptor18
December 16, 2009
#6

Zeratul survived centuries of being hunted by the Conclave he might be able to survive for 48 hours
OriginalA
December 16, 2009
#7

At worst: Samus dies.
At best: Zeratul dies.
In either case the mission is failed.
The Emergency Pistol, Ice Beam (or stacked varient), Ice Missile (or stacked varient), and Judicator are not exactly really all that good at stopping things and keeping them alive

But could Samus actually survive this mission. From what I’ve heard Zeratul is pretty darn beefy and is capable of taking down Star Wars characters with ease if they don’t have the force.

There is also the possibility that he might just be able to elude her for the alloted time of this match.

Saddly, I don’t see my favorite heroine accomplishing this mission.
JoshMcFace
December 16, 2009
#8

Well I think we can all agree that Samus’s weapons aren’t exactly designed to put down enemies temporarily. The only weapon I can think of to detain anyone would be the grapple beam, but even then Samus would no longer be mobile. So could she get Zeratul to come quietly? Perhaps weaken him?
orber
December 16, 2009
#9

*For this match, Samus has to capture Zeratul alive*

factpile award for zeratul.shame though he wont enjoy much of his award since his brains are all over the place.that is ofcourse if samus can even find him.zeratul is a damn good illusive guy.then take into consideration that samus like explained before isnt the traditional seek and arrest bounty hunter this goes to zeratul without too much effort.
OriginalA
December 16, 2009
#10

Samus might not be a traditional “seek and arrest” bounty hunter, but she is damn good at the “seek” part as her main jobs seem to be “seek and destroy”. She also does a fair amoung of investigative work. I think that if she could narrow down to where Zeratul is on the planet to an operational area of only a few square miles she could easily find him.

Like the MC vs bounty hunters match, this relies a lot about narrowing down the search from planet wide to a much smaller area. Unfortuanately I don’t know anything about Aiur so I can’t disect it to figure out where Zeratul could and couldn’t be; that is assuming he would be limited there in the first place, which I have a suspicion that he wouldn’t be.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he just stays on the other side of the planet from Samus for the whole 48 hours.
Kenny C.
December 16, 2009
#11

I think Zeratul would have no problem evading Samus… and that’s all he needs to do sooooo…. Zeratul win.
Megaraptor18
December 16, 2009
#12

I think Zeratul might stay mobile if anything to avoid being surrounded by the Zerg who currently (If I remember correctly) control the planet
AHEM
December 16, 2009
#13

Maybe it’s possible for Samus to knock Zeratul unconscious? Though it isn’t really one of her conventional techniques, a big metal fist coming down on your head might be enough to cause some damage . . . depends on how tough Zeratul is.
sapper007
December 16, 2009
#14

“Maybe it’s possible for Samus to knock Zeratul unconscious? Though it isn’t really one of her conventional techniques, a big metal fist coming down on your head might be enough to cause some damage . . . depends on how tough Zeratul is”

except that in the span it would take samus to make said swing… Zeratul would run his warp blade from crotch to cranium… and i dont care what “shields” ya got… unless it can stop time/space ruptures held together by will power… everyones favorite Samus will be torn between her two selves… and I dont mean dark samus…
Zeratul for the dub
ss
December 16, 2009
#15

sapper has a point, samus cant get close to this guy or she will lose
Skrunks
December 16, 2009
#16

As much as I love Samus…

Zeratul is one bounty she could never even hope to take down. Unless she wants to bomb him from orbit, there’s very little she could actually do to kill him let alone take him alive. I think the only hope she would have is with the PED, but even then it’s pretty iffy. Plus Zeratul kinda has this little thing called a perma-cloak. As far as I understand it, it’s not your conventinal ‘bend light around me’ cloak. I don’t think Samus would be able to even detect him without the Dark Visor. Even if it was just a strait up vs. match, I don’t really see Samus coming out ontop. Zeratul ftw.
cambadillac
December 16, 2009
#17

“Maybe it’s possible for Samus to knock Zeratul unconscious? Though it isn’t really one of her conventional techniques, a big metal fist coming down on your head might be enough to cause some damage . . . depends on how tough Zeratul is.” -AHEM

Zeratul is a BIG guy. I mean… freakin big. His size doesnt mean he is slow either, on the contrary, he is agile and has alot of power and speed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or_-jn5AnoI

check out that video and check out his size compared to a hydralisk.
http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Hydralisk
thats hydra info.
2.5 meters = 8 foot tall. :/
imagine someone yao ming’s size but buffer and can do backflips like its nobody’s business.
cambadillac
December 16, 2009
#18

Oh, and another thing.
In our current world we live in, age is a piss poor indicator of how capable we are to survive (among humans). The weakest, sickly, and most fragile of us can easily survive till old age and reproduce because of health care, government etc.
Zeratul is ancient
Starcraft’s timelime is in the 2500s
Zeratul was born in 1865
To survive that long as a warring race is an astonishing feat considering EVERYTHING is out to kill you. His people shun him (he is a dark templar) and Zergs want to kill him. Life is against him and he still survives. His age is a very accurate indicator of how badass Zeratul is.
http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Zeratul
sapper007
December 16, 2009
#19

That… and the warp blades… being able to cut thru anything helps a little…
Kenny C.
December 16, 2009
#20

And the fact that he lived through the cluster-fuck/death that was Brood War.
EnigmaJ
December 16, 2009
#21

“except that in the span it would take samus to make said swing… Zeratul would run his warp blade from crotch to cranium… and i dont care what “shields” ya gotunless it can stop time/space ruptures held together by will power”

Not that I know much about Metroid, but doesn’t Samus have a weapon that rips a hole in space-time ( the dark burst I think ). If he shields can stand up to this… who knows?
orber
December 16, 2009
#22

not needed enigmaJ.strong that blade of zeratul is theres always the obvious oh hi morhpball powerbomb and speedboost bye bye enemy tactic.either that or samus simply enters screw attack.

i can go on and rant about this but it isnt a real fight anyway.zeratul just has to stay away and some random woman who is prolly 23-30 years old isnt going to simply capture a absolute master on running and hiding and surviving for over 700 years.
Scenario
December 16, 2009
#23

Skrunks doesn’t think Samus would win a straight up fight? I may have to revise my opinion on this, then. I thought Samus would either kill him or be unable to find him, but this is interesting. All I know about Zeratul is that he’s Dark Templar and has a Warp Blade and Permanent Cloak. But I don’t see why Samus couldn’t find him. The Dark Visor was designed to detect dimensional anomalies and the X-Ray visor can see ghosts. Whatever. Now, this Warp Blade interests me. The wiki has nothing on them, but if what Sapper says is true, they’re pretty powerful.

“except that in the span it would take samus to make said swing… Zeratul would run his warp blade from crotch to cranium… and i dont care what “shields” ya gotunless it can stop time/space ruptures held together by will power”

Timespace ruptures, huh? Well, Warrior Ing attack using “dimensional energy.” Their basic attack is ripping a hole space and shooting Samus with it. Hunter Ing shift out of local timespace and attack Samus with tentacles from multiple dimensions at once. Plus, it fends off Chozo Ghost’s spiritual attacks. While the Warp blade is impressive, I don’t think it’s something Samus hasn’t faced before.

“Not that I know much about Metroid, but doesn’t Samus have a weapon that rips a hole in space-time ( the dark burst I think ). If he shields can stand up to this… who knows?”

Darkburst opens a dimensional rift that sucks things into it. So yes, I suppose it could be considered a spacetime attack. Another one is the Sonic Boom, which scans stated has the power to temporarily fracture reality.

I don’t know where to go from here. Okay, Zeratul is on Aiur. Isn’t that the Protoss home/main world? And aren’t the Dark Templar kind of exiled? I don’t know, but Samus is probably not going to be up against Zeratul alone. Since he’s a leader, I would guess the Protoss would want to protect him. Which would make this Samus vs. ALL OF AIUR.

This battle is over.
Megaraptor18
December 16, 2009
#24

Or it could be during the Zerg control over Aiur. After the invasion of Aiur the Protoss was forced to the Dark Templar homeworld. So Samus can easily face against the Zerg.
orber
December 17, 2009
#25

well then samus is damn lucky that her speciality is dealing with oversized bugs

still taking that scenario into consideration she has to deal with other enemys while trying to find her bounty.she isnt even going to get close to him if youre going to put it that way.

then theres the fact that samus lacks material to properly arrest a person the fact her weapons only seem to have blow-brains option and the fact that zeratul can change samus into a big mess if samus gives him the oppertunity.
Skrunks
December 17, 2009
#26

“Timespace ruptures, huh? Well, Warrior Ing attack using “dimensional energy.” Their basic attack is ripping a hole space and shooting Samus with it. Hunter Ing shift out of local timespace and attack Samus with tentacles from multiple dimensions at once. Plus, it fends off Chozo Ghost’s spiritual attacks. While the Warp blade is impressive, I don’t think it’s something Samus hasn’t faced before.”

Normally, I’d agree. However, this is a game mechanics example, but bear with me. From Starcraft: Marine Gauss Rifle (AKA magnetic accelartor machine gun firing 8mm spikes at hypersonic velocities: 5 damage per burst. Hydralisks’ molecular acid coated spikes, 10 damage per spray. Dragoon’s phase disruptor cannon, firing bolts of antimatter in psychic sheaths, ala Annihilator Beam, 20 damage. Battlecruiser anti-capital ship laser cannons: 25 damage. Zeratul’s Warp Blade: 100 damage.

Considering that a direct hit from a Yamato Cannon (a directed focused nuclear blast) hits for 250 damage, the fact that the game designers gave Zeratul the most powerful attack in the game (aside from suicide attacks and special abilities) is saying something. As far as I know, the fact that it’s a movable space-time fracture is only based around the fact that it’s called a ‘Warp Blade’ and a psi blade, a related weapon uses localized space-time fractures to deal damage, the zealot’s main weapon. However, a Zealot’s psi blade only deals 8 damage per blade.

The fact that they hold Zeratul’s warp blade in such high regard means that it’s a freaking brutal weapon. I haven’t read the novels, so I don’t know how they treat the warp blade in the novels, but just from the name, Warp Blade implies that it’s a blade formed of ‘warp’.

Warp: “1 to bend or twist out of shape, esp. from a straight or flat form, as timbers or flooring.”

Now for a energy blade to be capable of doing 4 times the damage of a capital ship cannon based on the word ‘warp’, from a civilization that specialized in space-time manipulation, it’s not a stretch to assume that warps the local space time in order to sever the molecules of the target. If that is the case, then the relative strength of the material or the energy shield is completly irelevant because it’s not one molecule attempting to sever another or a type of energy trying to break the bonds, but the space itself is moving the molecules apart. The examples you gave are examples of another type of energy attempting to push the molecules/energy of the shield apart, not the space itself yanking it apart. As impressive as Samus’ shield is, I don’t think it’s ever tanked hit quite like a warp blade. A single swipe would tear her in two.
Scenario
December 17, 2009
#27

That’s a pretty darn special blade right there. Zeratul’s the only one to get one of these? Regular Dark Archons have 40 damage on the same Warp Blades, so excuse me if I’m a little wary of Zeratul’s version. Bare with me, I’m going on the wiki here. Psi blades are “psionic energy” channeled through a bracer. These deal 8 damage. Warp blades are modified version of this that deal 5 times as much, at 40 damage. Zeratul deals over twice that.

I’m just going to assume that, because they are psionic weapons, more psychic ability makes them more powerful. Is that correct? I also notice that Zeratul has a longer cooldown than a Dark Archon. I kinda want to say Zeratul’s damages isn’t so much the Warp Blade as something he himself does. If it was the blade itself, they would all deal the same damage. But they don’t, which has me curious. I wouldn’t think there would be different levels of molecular severance. One warp blade simply shouldn’t be more powerful than any other warp blade if this was the case.

Eh, I don’t think Samus can complete the mission at this point. Now I’m just arguing semantics.
Kenny C.
December 17, 2009
#28

Well Zeratul is perhaps one of the oldest and most experienced Protess til living, so I believe that his tremendous damage is indeed the result of his experience in both mental abilities (given the hundreds of years that would allow him to hone his mind) and he might have even recieved some sort of special crystal (can’t remember the name) or even just master-crafted gear to further enhance his blades.

I’d like an explanation as to why Raynor’s suit of marine armor has 200 hp and, If I remember correctly, 20 damage. Could be simply gameplay mechanics I guess.
Skrunks
December 18, 2009
#29

Well considering that Dark Archons are psionic entities created from the fusion of two Dark Templar that don’t actually have a base attack at all: http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_archon

A Dark Templar is what you’re thinking of, http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_templar

And yes, a normal Dark Templar’s Warp Blade deals 40 damage. Heroes always have boosted abilities, like raynor’s Marine has 200 hp and deals 20 damage, where as a normal has 40 hp and 5 damage. And I do believe all warp blades have the molecular severance ability, and the difference in damage is a indicator of an individual’s skill.

Zeratul is a massivly powerful psionic unit, and in battle he doesn’t just stand there and hack mindlessly like he does in-game. He probably has numerous abilities to go along with it, like I said, I haven’t read the books, so I don’t know exactly what abilities however I remember sapper I think mentioning he has the ability to teleport himself, for example. The point being that he has a much larger repertoire of abilities then a standard Dark Templar. To represent the difference in skill, his damage is spiked, by a large amount. Starcraft is an old game with certain limitations.

As a side note, Dark Templar wield the power of the Void: http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Void

These are the specialized energies that were able to kill the Overmind and the Cerabrates. That’s the biggest difference between a Zealots psi-blade and a Dark Templar’s warp blade, the psiblade uses the protoss’ own psionic energy. A Dark Templar doesn’t actually have any of the protoss psychic abilities, and rather they summon their power from the Void. This is how the ‘warp blade’ warps the local time-space to sever matter, rather then their psionic cousins which function similar to a lightsaber.

Zeratul is far more adept at Void powers then any other Dark Templar, in fact it was Zeratul who taught Tassadar how to use them, and this was the result: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVFKrx2Irws

The size of the Gantrithor is misleading in this video, for it’s a Protoss Super Carrier that would easily be able to slap around a fleet of Imp Star Destroyers. Tassadar channeled the Khala (regular protoss energies) and Void energies through the hull of his ship and used that to destroy the overmind. Now it’s really impressive when you consider that the Overmind is several kilometers of solid flesh that he ripped to pieces.

I don’t expect Zeratul to be capable of this kind of feat, however it’s just meant to give you an example of the kind of power Zeratul has. He is far far more powerful then his little Starcraft model gives him credit for.
Scenario
December 26, 2009
#30

I admit I’m still having a bit of trouble with this. Ing attack with transdimensional energy while Dark Templar (yeah, I got the name wrong) are using Void energy. Both are described as warping space to attack. Hunter Ing warp time-space and attack from at least two dimensions while phased out. Chozo Ghosts attack from non-existence. The Void that the Dark Templar use seems to be a replacement for psychic power, but much more powerful. Oh! How about Gorea? The attack he used to drain the Hunters (whose armors were comparable to Samus) and nearly kill them did nothing but toss Samus around and damage her a bit.

Don’t get me wrong, the damage Zeratul can do is nothing to sneeze at, but I’m not convinced it’s not just a ton of damage. Psi-Blades are normal psychic energy, while Warp-Blades appear to be Void psychic energy. Even if the blade is a portal to the Void, it’s similar to Ing transdimensional energy (“trans-” meaning over/beyond dimensions.) The basic attack was still ripping open space-time to launch a beam that moves beyond dimensions.

At this point, I honestly believe Samus’s shield could block anything given enough energy tanks. The Chozo are not to be trifled with, and evidently, neither are the Ing. But regardless of this, I don’t think Samus could catch Zeratul.

Zeratul for Factpile award.