Meh, Warhammer 40k. Gods are not to be trifled with.

If we consider that anime stereotypes are inferior to the power of Direct X 10(Dawn of War 2 Graphics) then Xenosaga would be shunned for winning.

I will be honest with you folks I don’t know about either Xenosaga and Warhammer 40k. But L’m going with Xenosaga. Why I’m sucker for hot anime chicks with guns.

“I don’t have any clue about Xenosaga but will they be able to hand the entire Tyranid horde? If they do then i think we have found a universe stronger than WH40K.”

There are many universes stronger than Warhammer 40K.

Alright, a universe full of bad asses that fight for thousands of years on end against unsurpassable odds with weapons of epic badassery and destruction and demons and chain swords and titans and orks and spess mahreenz and land raiders and KHARN KHARNE KHARNE KHOOOORNE, vs some gay anime.

Whoever created animes should go fucking die. I hate the artwork, and all the stories are all-round shit.

Just, more skulls for the skull throne I guess. Shitty disposable Naruto fag skulls.

“No,no they don’t.
What do necrons have on universe creators?”

They hunt them.

“Whoever created animes should go fucking die. I hate the artwork, and all the stories are all-round shit.

Just, more skulls for the skull throne I guess. Shitty disposable Naruto fag skulls.”

You sir, are a twat with no taste. You won’t accept that many animes are brilliant with great stories and characters simply because you dislike the artwork. You should try watching films like Akira, Spirited Away, Metropolis(the anime version, obviously), Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind, Steamboy, etc. If you have any taste at all(which I doubt you do) you should enjoy at least one of these films.

Alright, I hereby nominate Xenosaga for the Factpile award.

/shrug

I was hoping for at least some sort of defense for Warhammer….

So everyone who is voting for the Xenosaga use these “amazing” weapons as proof that they will win…. please.

First off Zarathustra… that will kill them too man, or do you not understand the fact that the Universe means everthing?

Phase Transference Cannon- Nothing a good warp portal full of Chaos terminators can’t fix.

U-DO – this being never gets involved and the fact that ANYTHING can fall to Chaos means its vunerable.

Anima – It kills them too and can’t be harnessed that well.

Yeshua – Wow a Jesus wannabe! Yeah he can beat Khorne! /rolls eyes/

“1- And the fact that most beings of the Xenosaga (including their fighting forces)still live in the universe that will be destoryed doesn’t affect your resolveat all?”

Thats only one domain however.

“2 – Damn right I am ! Besides, just because this beiong is stronger, I see no evidense that he will just shatterthe Chaos gods. Besides, he doesn’t seem to be too much of an active god.”

Which doesn’t change the fact that they need to beat him to beat the whole universe.
I would also like to point out that a universe vs universe battle is a collaborative effort.

“By your own admission, that means that the warp can continue and as long as it stands (and the fact that so many beings have died, that chaos would continue and grow stronger in fact.) becuase it is in another realm – Oh yeah, Amima was designed to collapse all existance, not just one universe.”
It is clearly stated to collapse the UNIVERSE.As in the lower domain.

The warp itself is powered by the emotions of material beings.
If said material beings are gone,they would start to lose power.

“It doesn’t, It just means I have no respect for this Yeshua and I believe the fact that Khrone can beat him easily. What is Yeshuagonna do? Close his eyes and hope Khorne goes away?”

Alright,you BELIEVE Khorne can beat him easily because you have no respect,as fact you continue to say.Which does not an argument make.

I honestly don’t know how to judge this.

Xenosaga displays reality warping technology far beyond anything that 40k can manage, but does so inconsistantly.

How often does U-DO rewrite reality? What means did lost jeruselum come back into existance? What the hell is up with that girl(s)?

It all gives me one big headache and a desire to impale the writers.

“You knew very well that there wasn’t any. Well, any that I am aware of.”

Hey! I know full well that I can revert to fanboism. Simply because I believe Xenosaga will win doesn’t mean it will. Point for point, the Miliary forces of the Federation and Ormus Society (Xenosaga) are far far inferior to those of Warhammer. But the upper echelons of Xenosaga are some of the most powerful I’ve ever seen.

Plus, debating on the behalf of the much beloved Warhammer brings to the table knowledge I’m ignorant about, such as this:

“Universe vs Universe fights are in a neutural Galaxy.”

Zarathustra is one of a kind. It does what it does and only that. Well, other then the fact, that you know, it was originally designed to ascend a mortal into Godhood. But that’s beside the point. Wilhelm redesigned it to reset the universe, and if it’s in a neutral galaxy, then ker-splat. It’s useless.

“It all gives me one big headache and a desire to impale the writers.”

Well, Xenosaga is one of the most complex Sci-Fi I have ever encountered, and the story is told through 3 games averaging 40 hours each, and they even had to write a ‘guide’ explaining the whole thing. If you really want a headache, check the link about anima down there.

“3 – By your own admission, that means that the warp can continue and as long as it stands (and the fact that so many beings have died, that chaos would continue and grow stronger in fact.) becuase it is in another realm – Oh yeah, Amima was designed to collapse all existance, not just one universe.”

That is what it does if the power of Anima is released. It would be akin to setting a blaster to overload. However, Anima itself is capable of ‘erasing’ in one single being or beings, object or objects from existence.

Oh and before I continue: “Yeshua – Wow a Jesus wannabe! Yeah he can beat Khorne! /rolls eyes/” Anima=Yeshua=chaos. chaos and Yeshua are interchangable names for a single being. This single being is the human incarnation of the Anima power. Anyway….

Quote from the Xenosaga Perfect Guide Translation:

http://translations.xenotensei.com/Xeno3/PerfectGuide.html#10　　　　

See ‘Lemegeton’s Failsafe’

“<>
　　　Although chaos himself is the existence that possesses the function of the universe’s Failsafe, in Lemegeton that chaos emitted, there was also its own Failsafe function.
　　　It is something that would be invoked when too much access had been performed by Lemegeton, and would automatically correct the balance between the upper and lower domains.

This means, concretely speaking, that it eliminates the phenomena that were accomplished by the use of Lemegeton. Namely, those phenomena end up being completely erased from the universe, from all domains where they occurred. As if never having existed from the beginning, they are eliminated from both the real and imaginary number domains. It is the ultimate disappearance phenomenon; a complete deletion.”

——————–

Onto U-DO vs. The Gods of Chaos

One thing you have to understand here and now is that the population in the Xenosaga universe is in the quadrillions, spanned over multiple galaxies. The Lower Domain is part of the overall universe, and U-DO is a Higher Domain being. The Lower Domain is dual layer, it has the Imaginary Numbers Realm and the Real Numbers realm. It’s exactly how it is in Warhammer, with Realspace and Warpspace. The difference is that every the that exists in the Real-numbers domain has an imaginary numbers counterpart, even incoporeal things like computer software and human consciousness. So, several of the beings in Xenosaga derive their power from directly affecting objects in the Imaginary Numbers Realm, which in turn plays out the effects in the Real Numbers Realm. The Collective Unconciousness of Mankind exists in the Imaginary Numbers Realm and it is the joint mind of every single one of those quadrillions of people. U-DO is merely curious about these interactions, and simply OVBSERVING the lower domain is enough to cause the downpour of so much energy that it threatens to destroy the entire Xenosaga Universe, hence the reason the Failsafe (Anima) exists. If Anima is released, then it simply ‘deletes’ the entire Lower Domain.

But let’s compare. The Chaos Gods derive their power from millenia of warfare and scheming in the Warhammer Galaxy. They are tremendously powerful, particularly Khorne, the God of War. A single strike from his sword is said to be powerful enough to demolish a planet. If they pooled their resources and activly worked against the mortal races of the Galaxy, then the Imperium would be screwed completely.

Then we have U-DO, who’s avatar, Abel’s Ark, an Object several MILLION kilometers, when it enters hyperspace sends out an energy pulse that causes 80% of a multiple-galaxy spanning organization to simply vanish. A being who, by simply observing the Physical Universe, causes so much energy to down flow that it almost causes it’s destruction. Imagine Attempting to observe an ant with a magnifying glass, and then you inadvertently cause the light to focus and roast it. Kinda like that. U-Do is so far beyond an entity several quadrillion-consciousness strong that simply observing nearly causes it’s destruction. Really, a being who doesn’t even have a concept of time, nor death/birth.

Remember Zarathustra? U-Do observed every time the universe was reset by the thing. It was unaffected. What exactly could the Chaos Gods do to even attempt to harm it when it was totally unaffected by a trillion universal resets?

(Actually, if we wanted to play Dirty, Zarathustra could be used because it only resets the lower domian, and since the Xenosaga Universe has U-Do and other higher/lower domains that don’t exist in Warhammer, and since Zarathustra would reset the Warhammer Galaxy as well….. it would mean a win for Xenosaga. But that’s cheating.)

But for the sake of argument, let’s leave U-Do out of this, because U-Do makes the entire match defunct.

“Phase Transference Cannon- Nothing a good warp portal full of Chaos terminators can’t fix.”

You’re assuming that it’s some big Death Star/Halo type super weapon. The Phase Transference Cannon is a weapon that is seen at least 5 different forms throughout Xenosaga in varying powers. The one Omega has can strike at any point in the universe from any other point, and it is onboard a mobile mech: 1:10 – 1:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJyAen5zk6A&feature=related

And that video Omega had a cheap-ass Zohar Emulator powering it, rather then the Original Zohar (that thing I told you about that produces unlimited energy). Extremely Unstable and no where near full power, hence the erratic firing. Anyway, the point is Omega isn’t just going to sit still.

@ Marche and all others who support Xenosaga

So I’ve gotten rid of this whole Amima (don’t you fucking start! It is not even really stated what it actually does in terms of what it destroys! Just vague conjecture.)

The Phase Transference Cannon- Nobody said anything about a warp hole full of Chaos Terminators won’t affect it.

Yeshua – So he’s chaos…… That works out rather well for me!

U-DO – I really don’t see why he (It) would get involved in this, but then again….. I’m really fucking tried of debating the strength of all these gods in all these of fucking fictional universes…. seriously man, I just want to debate mortal stuff….. Anyway, If we’re getting in to this, I suggest the Warhammer Team use the fact that the Emperor of Man was created by a whole bunch of people comminting sucide and fusing in the warp…. I want to take every single god, hero, champion, and other great persons in the WH universe and fuse them together using this process and procede to use the raw power of the warp to produce a being that would be totally freaking awesome….. And his name is Bill.

Suck it.

@Kenny C

*Sigh* I’m contemplating butchering your post or just rolling with it. I think I’ll butcher it.

@”So I’ve gotten rid of this whole Amima (don’t you fucking start! It is not even really stated what it actually does in terms of what it destroys! Just vague conjecture.”

You’ve clearly never played any of the Xenosaga Games.

@The Phase Transference Cannon

Well, aside from the fact that nothing less then Titan weaponry would even scratch Omega, Terminators are slow as hell, and Omega would disintegrate them.

“I really don’t see why he (It) would get involved in this”

Are you joking? If we’re going to do that, then why would any of the Chaos Gods work together? Why would the Necrons assist the Tyranids? Why would Chaos work with the Imperium? Why would the Orks not kill each other in the process? Why wouldn’t Khorne just sit back and watch the Fireworks?

@Bill

You may have missed the part where I said let’s not bother with either U-DO or the Chaos Gods. Either that, or you decided to just be a dick and pretend you didn’t see it.

Besides, that whole tirade just assumes that those are the ONLY cards that Xenosaga has. You never even brought up what I said about the Testaments, a set of incorporeal beings totaly incapable of suffering physical damage. Infact, in the entire Xenosaga series, only two testaments perished, and both of them from attempting to manipulate Universe-altering levels of Energy. Oh yeah, and they have unlimited spacial manipulation. Those Terminators? Ah, we’ll just remove them from existance. A pesky Imperator Titan harassing someone? Let’s just teleport it into the nearest star. Abbadon’s Planet Killer causing trouble? Hey let’s open up a series of dimensional portals inside the ship. We’ll send that half into that alternate reality, and then that piece there? We’ll send it to the center of a black hole. And that piece, well, we’ll just place it in temporal stasis and make it a paper weight.

Plus, we have Wilhelm. The above mentioned Testaments are his servants and creations. His source of power is an object called the Compass of Order and Chaos. Remember how I said 2 Testaments perished and only from attempting to manipulate universe altering Energy? Kevin Winnicot, the Red Testament died because he suppressed the entire energy of Zarathustra. Read that agian, he suppressed the energy that was about to reset the friggen universe back to the big bang. The other, Voyager, the Black Testament, died because he made contact and attempted to take the Compass for himself. In doing so his existence was obliterated. So powerful is Wilhelm that he isn’t a fightable boss in Xenosaga because he is just too powerful. As a feat of strength that none in Warhammer can boast, not even the C’tan, he shrunk Earth down to Plank Scale to protect it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_scale

Plank scale is hundreds of times smaller then the smallest known subatomic particles. He is also teleported the Dammerung across the intergalactic void. What is the Dammerung you say? A ship 1000km long. This thing has it’s own built in Superweapon, the Rhine Maiden. The Rhine Maiden is an anti-gnosis weapon that obliterates the spectral Gnosis, but doesn’t harm humans. The similarity between Gnosis and Chaos Demons means it’s very likely that the Rhine Maiden would be capable of cleaning an entire planet of Chaos infestation.

That brings me to the next point, Gnosis. Gnosis are essnetially the distraught souls of humans back from the dead. They can range from the size of a human to massive carriers almost a km long to even planet sized. They can enter and exit hyperspace at will and are completly incorporeal. That Imperial Battleship? Well, it just got ganked by a swarm of a few million Gnosis that simply passed through their hull. But they have legions of troops onboard! Well, contact with a Gnosis 90% of the time results in the being turned into salt, regardless of the relative strength of the being. The other 10%? Well, they turn into more Gnosis. And the Tyranids? Well, the entire warmachine is Biological, so well, the would be lunch meat for the Gnosis. Being incorporeal however, they would likely be vulnerable to Daemons and/or Psychic attacks. By the same token, the only ones that would be immune to the whole salt thing would be Necrons and Parahias.

Oh yeah, and about the demons of Chaos. See, in Xenosaga they have this thing called the Hilbert Effect. What it does is it forces all spiritual entities into the Physical Plane. Now, all this does against Gnosis is makes them vulnerable to conventinal weapons. But when we take the demons of chaos who can only exist in the material plane for a limited time, and then force them into the material realm without the ability to return to the warp, they would die. And not just ‘banished back to the warp’ dead, as in dead dead dead. As in, it no longer exists and can not return. The forces of Chaos would find an enemy in Xenosaga unlike anything they’ve faced.

“Even halo fanboys don’t get this angry when their side loses. Can warhammer really do this to people?”

Hearing this made me chuckle, I was thinking pretty much the same thing.

Okay I admit, Xenosaga wins…. but seriously, how the fuck can you have a game with all these “destroy and pwn everything” characters and weapons?

“lol, isn’t that just the whole WarHammer universe compressed into less than 8 words?”

LMAO!!! That really made me laugh, hahahahaha. So true. But hey, that’s why it’s awesome.

“Okay I admit, Xenosaga wins…. but seriously, how the fuck can you have a game with all these “destroy and pwn everything” characters and weapons?”

You would really have to play the game. It’s more about the individual personalities of the characters. The characters are so complex that Final Fantasy looks like a teen novel in comparison. It’s really a shame that they weren’t marketed better or had larger budgets, or it’s creator actually understood the concept of ‘budget’. To be honest, I think Xenosaga is one of the most fantastic stories ever conceived of. And the relative power of the overpowered characters actually take a back seat to the plot/character development, since that’s what the entire game is about.

Anyway, I hereby nominate the Xenosaga Universe for the Factpile award! I don’t think it’s by any means a curbstomp, but Xenosaga has some super heavy hitters, to much for the Warhammer Galaxy to withstand.

Damn you super weapons!

Anyway,I concede and nominate Xenosaga for the factpile award.

+1 Nomination..

While this seems pretty much over, just to add something.

To the guy talking about Chaos Terminators vs. the U.M.N. Phase Transfer Cannon: just so you know, the Phase Transfer Cannon isn’t a single weapon or piece of equipment: it’s ONE of the weapons systems of Proto Omega, a gigantic mecha that uses as it’s core the Zohar, a source of literally infinite energy.

To put in Warhammer 40K scale, Proto Omega is at least the size of a Warhound Titan. Consider the result of a Warhound Titan vs. a squad of Terminators. Now, consider the result of a Warhound-sized mecha with a source of infinite energy, an energy cannon that can hit anywhere in the Universe instantly, the power of flight and much more maneuverability vs. the same squad of Terminators.

While I’m pretty sure there’s stuff in the Warhammer 40K Universe that could take on Proto Omega one-on-one and win(any of the C’Tan, probably some of the larger classes of Titan), it would take a lot more than a squad of Terminators.

The frontline troops of Warhammer is significantly more powerful then Xenosaga, but I have to say the heavy hitters of Xenosaga definitely make up for it. When you have multiple beings with Dr. Manhattan’s power (and a little extra) its hard to stand up to them. Sure a couple Testaments died, but those were deliberate (or accidental in the case of the Black Testament) suicides. On top of that add Yeshua, locality ignore superweapons, and galaxies busting KOS-MOS, and I see a clear winner, Necrons, Chaos, and Tyranids aside.

@Skrunks

FP awards are for fair matches. Much as i hate to say this but this isnt very fair when a universe can lob galaxies and other super weapons on a whim. I agree that WH40K will lose, but they probably dont have the ability to fight on the lvl of XenoSaga.

@ Prime chaos
What the hell !!
Most of the matches on this site are unfair, such as halo vs warhammer, kahrn vs link, and many others.
So your saying that a 12 foot guy holding a chain axe that can flay souls is even to a little elf that uses magic which kahrn has complete protection against ?
Guess who won the factpile award !!

@Space marine

I would be pretty interested in that actually. The whole breadth of Nintendo has caused me to hesitate from reading that thread, but I’d like to see what W40K can do. I’ve only been introduced to it in the past year and it is a bit overwhelming. I’m still fairly amazed though at how much ground the writers of Xenosaga managed to cover, and in only 5 games.

“While technically, it is 5 Xenosaga games, but one was a re-write of the first 2 games ported to the DS and another was a cell phone game released in Japan. 95% of it all was told in 3 games, Xenosaga Episodes I, II and III.”

Five games. Xenosaga Episode I, II, II, Xenosaga: The Pied Piper, and Xenosaga Freaks. The Missing Year is also canon, but isn’t a game. Still, I truly love the depth of the Xenosaga Universe.

I’m curious how the mechs would come out. A.M.W.S. and A.G.W.S. might have some trouble with the heavy forces of the Warhammer universe, but then you have the twelve almost god E.S.es.

Pied Piper does divulge less information than the games yes, but it was still a nice read. You can read the game script here if you’re interested:

http://zarathustra.kaisho.org/chap1-1.php

It goes into great depth about Jan Sauer’s past, the history of the planet Abraxas (Michtam), various features of the encephelon, and finally, Voyager’s past. I enjoyed reading it. It doesn’t have anything quite of interest to this universe duel, but I thought I’d suggest it you.

I would also agree that E.Ses would ripe through the vehicles 40K has. These things repeatedly take on starships (or fleets of starships) on their own. Like you say, the E.S. Judas can attack through the U.M.N. Similarly, the E.S. Dinah can transport itself throught it. It hasn’t been shown if it can itself, but even so it certainly can by breaking up into the ship Dinah and KOS-MOS’ motobike.

What about the pieces of Khaine? If two are brouht together in close proximity, It will destroy the multi-verse. (Think of it as Warhammer’s version of the Chaos hearts.) And those are only two pieces…

“What about the pieces of Khaine? If two are brouht together in close proximity, It will destroy the multi-verse.”

It would take the Testamanet about as long to take care of that as it takes me to type /banish Craftworld.

To be fair, Wilhelm and the Testament should be capable of taking care of anything most of this mach on their own. /Banish High Terra /Banish Cadia /Banish Black Fleet /Banish Tomb World

Necrons are badass and all, but a weapon that flays your atoms won’t have much effect when you don’t have atoms to flay. The Testament appear because they want to appear. For example, if you took a picture of one, and they didn’t want to be seen, they wouldn’t exist and they wouldn’t show up in the picture/sensor/whatever. If they do want to be seen, then they can be just like a regular human. A Testament would > Dr. Manhattan. There’s 4 of them. Consider the ramifications of having them activly working agianst the entire Warhammer 40,000 universe complete with a Leader that eclipses their own power by an order of mangitude and observes the very ebbs and flows of the universe. Wilhelm should even be capable of sealing the Eye of Terror. I don’t know if he could do it with his own power, but he’s a master schemer. He’d likely activate the Necron relics, or perhaps alter Zarathustra to banish the Warp.

Speaking of schemes, I’d hate to see the outcome of Wilhelm deciding to serve Teezentech. He’d never do it, but still, curious thought it is.

“I seriously can’t comprehend how you can compress THAT much win into one story and end up with something that doesn’t kills itself by means of OPness in no time”

Actually, that’s pretty much what happens. Humans try to become Gods, and in doing so endanger the entire universe. So instead of letting the universe fall to piecies, Wilhelm puts Eternal Reccurance in place, causing the universe to loop through the same 15 billion years for infinity. Eventually, enough minor changes occur that the characters are able to break the cycle, but in turn also doom the universe to about 20,000 years of life left unless they can solve the issues.

@1538
…………………YOU NEED TO LURK MOAR!!!!! srsly i highly doubt a *Hero* would be able to take out U DO geeze man the phrase Pick your battles comes to mind

“The frontline troops of Warhammer is significantly more powerful then Xenosaga, but I have to say the heavy hitters of Xenosaga definitely make up for it. When you have multiple beings with Dr. Manhattan’s power (and a little extra) its hard to stand up to them. Sure a couple Testaments died, but those were deliberate (or accidental in the case of the Black Testament) suicides. On top of that add Yeshua, locality ignore superweapons, and galaxies busting KOS-MOS, and I see a clear winner, Necrons, Chaos, and Tyranids aside.”

The flaw here is that KOS-MOS didn’t do that alone, she had U-DON’s help, and I’m willing to believe U-Do did more of teh werkz.

A few things that could *really* ruin the days of the Xenosaga universe are:
The Tyranids.

The Shadow in the Warp is something that could really mess up Xenosaga. Bad. The Shadow in the Warp from just a tiny splinter fleet from one of the scout fleets can totally eclipse the power of the Astronomicon. The entire assemblage of the squillions and zillions of Tyranids could produce a shadow to theoreticly blanket entire galaxies. We know that the Tyranids have eaten galaxies before, and also that the Hive Mind is something of a diety. The gestalt conciousness which is the assemblage of the entire psychic Tyranid race is somethign that even the Chaos Gods fear, and I’d put them on a tier with U-Do. The only thing stopping them from being bastards is the Emperor holding the warp closed. If they work /with/ the Emperor, as antithetical as that is, they’re free. Now, these guys fear the hive mind, y’know why? The hive mind is a pscyhic entity of such insane diefic power it can eclipse the one who kept them in check; the Emperor, but standing near it with a scout fleet.
With the entire assembled Tyranid force in one place, there’s no way to measure the psychic destruction it could throw out.

They’re near infinite in number, and will eat an entire galaxy in a real hurry. A single zoanthrope could harness enough psychic power to destroy something powered by the Zohar, imho, let alone a choir of screaming psychic bugs.

They can travel through the warp, too. With chaos on their side, all of the 40K verse is free to travel this way, untouchable.
The Necrons:

Teleporting creationist d00m of infinite shooty justice that flays it’s targets on an atomic level, and gets back up. They have the C’Tan gods on their side, as well. The NightBringer is literally death, and the void dragon could possess all of Xenosaga’s machinery.

Single Necron ships have done things that would be impressive in the Xenosaga verse, as well. They also have Warscythes which can cut through anything without effort, including ceramite and adamantium. One of these could incapacitate any doomsday device or enemy that a Necron can get close to.

The Eldar

Farseers can see the future, and are very powerful psykers capable of disabling the powers of their enemies.I can’t think of anyone in Xenosaga with a will stronger than a Farseer. A mind-war could cripple many of the top eschelon characters, and they travel through the web way, untouchable by Xenosaga’s big hitters.

The Orks:

WAAAAAAAAAAGH. If an Ork believes it will work, it will. This could be very, very bad for Xenosaga.

The Chaos Gods:

If U-do was a prick, a deviant, an evil master mind, or a proud father with a terrible habbit of making everyone horribly ill, he’d be one of these guys.

You all already know about the Astartes and what they bring to the table, so I don’t need to start there.

“They’re near infinite in number, and will eat an entire galaxy in a real hurry. A single zoanthrope could harness enough psychic power to destroy something powered by the Zohar, imho, let alone a choir of screaming psychic bugs. ”

2 words PROVE IT
+1 more word BITCH

“The Eldar

Farseers can see the future, and are very powerful psykers capable of disabling the powers of their enemies.I can’t think of anyone in Xenosaga with a will stronger than a Farseer. A mind-war could cripple many of the top eschelon characters”

I call Bullshit on that also Proof plz

i you are wondering why i am just saying proof bullshit and qouting alot
its because
1 dont have time
2 cant be stuffed
3 need to 1up my stars

i did an incomplete quote on purpose to 1up my stars
the complete quote is
“Single Necron ships have done things that would be impressive in the Xenosaga verse”

10 post steak!!

“10 post steak!!”

why couldnt have you done it in one or two post’s, it looks really stupid when you have to post ten times in a row.

……….
@shuan
i got 10 more posts thne i would of if i just posted Proof plz
how stuped i look is irrelevent

@N00bzPaste
Proof or GTFO

@creampasteys
http://translations.xenotensei.com/Xeno3/PerfectGuide.html#10%E3%80%80%E3%80%80%E3%80%80%E3%80%80

read it and weep

@SiggyMansz muti-post cluster f***

Seriously, lol. That’s way too many.

“The Chaos Gods:
If U-do was a prick, a deviant, an evil master mind, or a proud father with a terrible habbit of making everyone horribly ill, he’d be one of these guys.”

Actually, you just made U-do that much more powerful in fighting Warhammer 40,000. He’s completely emotionless. He doesn’t understand it, hence why he makes contact with the lower domain, curiosity due to ignorance. He doesn’t understand happiness, sadness, prejudice, greed or anger. Therefore, the existence of U-Do’s consciousness acting on the Warp would likely obliterate the Chaos Gods by simply entering the fray.

Plus U-Do simply observing the lower domain (of which the Entire Warhammer 40,000 universe would qualify) nearly causes it to collapse, imagine if he actually acted? Simply moving his observation terminal causes 90% of the Xenosaga Universe to utterly vanish, imagine what he could do if he made a motion to attack? He’s an entire league above the Chaos Gods by the same order of magnitude that the Chaos Gods are above a normal human. They would be nothing but a curiosity.

@The Shadow in the Warp

Curious thought, however Xenosaga starships do not use Warp Travel in any way. They use something similar to the Webway in their respective universe if Imaginary Domain = Warp. The UMN columns they use to achieve FTL basically create a wormhole, and the conduit is isolated from the rest of the imaginary domain.

On top of that, the collective unconsciousness of Xenosaga is powerful enough to alter the very fabric of the universe. While the Hive Mind is certainly powerful, I highly doubt it has the power to erase stuff from the timeline.

“The flaw here is that KOS-MOS didn’t do that alone, she had U-DON’s help, and I’m willing to believe U-Do did more of teh werkz.”

While that’s possible, from what I saw it looked unlikely. Granted, in the large sceme of things I don’t think the destruction of that galaxy cluster did anything to U-DO. Nevertheless, when the explosion occured, the energy was blue which was the energy KOS-MOS was firing as opposed to U-DO’s red energy. It’s not specifically stated, but it seems to be an implication.

Xemosaga Vs. Nintendo

I wonder who would win….

“LOL Space marine you are a complete retard. None of the pathetic “gods” in Warhammer40k can touch the Christian God you fool.”

…….look you seem like a nice guy but have you even read the bible? also
the Warhammer 40k gods are FICTIONAL
also IF there is a god i highly doubt he would want you not listining to his rules or whatever you want to call them infact alot of what you posted in that qoute is “wrong” in “gods eyes”

oh my god, comparing somthing like warhammer 40k to something like xenosaga DOES NOT WORK. 1 thing is xenosaga is extremely retarded(and all anime in general) and warhammer 40k is extremely epic. warhammer 40k actually makes sense while the creators of xenosaga first created some anime chicks that people would think were hot then thought up some half baked story and background for them anime chicks. seriously warhammer 40k takes the cake in this match up.

@SiggyMansz

I seriously can’t comprehend most of your post. So what Warhammer40k gods are fictional? You think I don’t know that? Does it matter? The guy was comparing Warhammer gods to the Christian God and I called him a fool.

Theological debates aside (thats for the forums boyo’s), while we have little real evidence that U-DO is more powerful than the Chaos Gods, thats because we get bugger all info about the Chaos Gods upper limits. However, we can compare one action. Slannesh’s birthcries.

U-Do observing the universe causes… energy to appear? I’m not sure I understand how that causes destruction, but fine, whatever. So observation causes the natural order to shift on has the potential to cause havoc. Does it actually change anything, or is it just one of those”almost does something really impressive… but doesn’t” things?

Slannesh’s birthcries (as in, the sound of his voice when he was at his weakest) wrenched a hole in the universe and scattered the Eldar Empire across the stars.

Now, not as impressive as destroying the universe, but seeing as U-DO didn’t actually do that…

What say we, worth opening this debate up again?

Or at least coming up with a better chaos killer?