Suggested by AHEM
Well, I think we all know which team I’m going with, so I’ll have to leave to you, dear reader to determine what you think the outcome of this battle would be.
Which team wins?
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November 2, 2009
#1
Wow…….AHEM you would…….you do know what will happen with certain fans (or fanatics)? Anyway, Richard Rahl by himself could win this match (Sword of Truth, and a pretty damn powerful War WIzard). Adding the Mother Confessor is just overkill………
- the pondering fool
November 2, 2009
#2
but wouldn’t Hercules’ “Divinity” aide him? he cpold distract the two while Xena sneaks up from behind and uses her Bronze weaponary on the all too human flesh….
November 2, 2009
#3
“but wouldn’t Hercules’ “Divinity” aide him? he cpold distract the two while Xena sneaks up from behind and uses her Bronze weaponary on the all too human flesh….”
Depends on what version of Hercules, Team Xena is using. If it is the Hercules from the TV show, then their arses are fried. If it is the actual Hercules from Greco-mythology and not the ahistorical Xena series, things look slighly better than nothing for team Xena. What say you, Admin?
- the pondering fool
November 2, 2009
#4
For this particular instance, we are going to use the tv versions of all characters involved.
November 2, 2009
#5
@admin
did you get my email? It’s part one,i know its a bit short…but, i got part 2 ready. I’ll send it tomorrow
back on topic…sheesh,talk about favouritism…how strong is tv Rahl?
November 2, 2009
#6
“Wow…….AHEM you would…….you do know what will happen with certain fans (or fanatics)?”
Let them come! I’ll take ‘em on!
“For this particular instance, we are going to use the tv versions of all characters involved.”
Well, that rules out Hercules being as powerful as the actual mythological version, not good for Team Xena. On the other hand, it also severely limits Team Truth’s abilities.
Richard from the books is Rand al’Thor-lite. He could probably point at them and erase them from the world with subtractive lightning. However, in the Legend of the Seeker, Rahl has no magic to speak of(none that he can use, anyway) and the powers of the Sword of Truth are severely downplayed. He’s only a little more powerful than an ordinary human, and would find a significant challenge in trying to best Hercules. Team Truth’s victory would depend a great deal more on Kahlan . . . and under normal circumstances, she can only use her Confessor’s touch once every few hours. Richard’s best asset in this fight might be the possibility of his presence sending Kahlan into the Blood Rage.
November 2, 2009
#7
If Richard has to do battle with Hercules.. then I am leaning towards hercules in that battle. If if the Xena show knocks him down some he is Hercules, I mean unless he is a total wuss he should be an outstanding fighter.
Kahlan beats Xena however which leaves these two left in my opinion and Kahlan probably has an edge over Herc.
November 3, 2009
#8
“Kahlan beats Xena however which leaves these two left in my opinion and Kahlan probably has an edge over Herc.”
I agree. However, Kahlan has one important weakness that might mess things up for Team Truth. She can only use her main power, the Confessor’s Touch, ONCE. After its used, its gone, and it won’t recharge for a good two hours or so. If she’s caught fighting Hercules without her Touch, she would be in trouble. Her best hope would be to use the newly-enslaved Xena as a meat shield or distraction.
Team Truth would be in a very good situation, however, if Kahlan fought Hercules while Richard took Xena. Kahlan wouldn’t be physical strong enough to overpower Hercules, but if she could manage to Confess him(all she’d need to do is dodge one of his swings and catch his arm or something), then it would be game over for Team Xena . . . because even if the Warrior Princess managed to score a lucky win against Richard, Hercules would then be working for Team Truth . . . and he’s already proven to be capable of beating Xena one-on-one.
November 3, 2009
#9
“Team Truth” would absolutely, completely, undoubtedly, unquestionably wipe the floor with Team Xena’s corpses! Total ownage! Take that, Xena!
Ehehe, okay, maybe I’m a bit biased about this, considering that I love the SoT(except for Naked Empire), and think Xena is mostly overrated crap. If I’m being fair, then this would be closer, maybe 6 or 7 out of 10 fights going to Team Truth. Legend of the Seeker versions are quite a bit more limited . . .
November 3, 2009
#10
that is much ahrder than it sounds though
November 3, 2009
#11
“that is much ahrder than it sounds though”
What is? Who are you talking to? And it that gobbled up word supposed to be, “harder”?
November 3, 2009
#12
I will base my arguement on the fact that i have read none of the SoT books and that i have watched all of the legend of the seeker show and Herc and Xena shows.
Based on the shows, Herc and Xena would put the “Smack Down” on team truth. In the show, richard isn’t even richard Rhal yet. All he can do is swing his sword. Kahlen has knives and can confess. Herc could uproot trees and just bash them in the head. Xena’s crazy ass would be flying all shoalin style and cutting off heads with her charkram.
Currently, team xena has the superior fighting skill (and strength) and experience to boot! AND HAIR! (richard is lacking in the hair department)
November 3, 2009
#13
Hmm, I haven’t seen the Xena show (like once years ago maybe..) but if Herc is even a fraction of his glory in greek Myth than Kahlan shouldn’t be able to touch him, or if she does he would have at least delivered a fatal blow to her as well.
November 3, 2009
#14
@ john
harder, only put the a in the wrong place, typo, but the catching hercs arm is easier said than done,meant to put it to AHEM
November 3, 2009
#15
Xena & Hercules: Mom & Dad type
Richard Rahl & Kahlan Amnell: BFF
Guess I gonna have to vote on the Legend of the Seeker characters here, magic always topple down swordsmanship.
November 3, 2009
#16
“magic always topple down swordsmanship”
isn’t hercules “magic”?
November 3, 2009
#17
Xena would die quickly… probably from smacking herself in the face with that stupid chakram….
And the hercules would get all sad and destroy the earth…
and all would die…
and it would be awesome….
/someXenaFanboy/ But OMG Xen…
Sapper007:/cuts SXF with a scream in the face, spittle flying/
AWESOME!!
November 3, 2009
#18
“harder, only put the a in the wrong place, typo, but the catching hercs arm is easier said than done,meant to put it to AHEM”
Well, she doesn’t necessary have to catch his arm mid-swing, just touch him anywhere, and then her power unleashes at the speed of thought. Kahlan’s combat strategy revolves around using dexterity to bring down warriors that are proportionally stronger than she is. They swing, she dodges, they’re dead. Unless Hercules has got uber reflexes as well as strength, this could be a serious danger to him. For reference:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18Wb2yAUddg
Note her manuever at around 0:10-0:11. Kahlan is not an easy target to hit.
“In the show, richard isn’t even richard Rhal yet. All he can do is swing his sword.”
True, he doesn’t have magic, which is what’s preventing this match from being a complete ROFLSTOMP, but he does have the Sword of Truth. While not quite as monstrously powerful as it was in the books, still gives him quite an edge over other swordfighters. He’s gone toe-to-toe with professional soldiers, sometimes groups of them, and killed them all before.
November 3, 2009
#19
“True, he doesn’t have magic, which is what’s preventing this match from being a complete ROFLSTOMP, but he does have the Sword of Truth. While not quite as monstrously powerful as it was in the books, still gives him quite an edge over other swordfighters. He’s gone toe-to-toe with professional soldiers, sometimes groups of them, and killed them all before.”
I am still morning for not using the Richard Rhal from the book……….Seeing as I have not watched the TV series, I cannot say anything really…..if only we used the book…….could have seen Xena/Hercules burned alive from wizard’s fire……..
- the pondering fool
November 3, 2009
#20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYuNvus-0-M&feature=related
oh….
my…..
god…..
Xena whispers to the undead fanboys….
Those fans will unite to this….
One Seeker to rule them all…
Be afraid…..
The end is nigh…
November 3, 2009
#21
“I am still morning for not using the Richard Rhal from the book……….Seeing as I have not watched the TV series, I cannot say anything really…..if only we used the book…….could have seen Xena/Hercules burned alive from wizard’s fire……..”
Kahlan is still pretty much the same as in the books, except that she has the ability to tell when a person is lying when she looks into their eyes. Richard doesn’t have magic, but does still possess the unbreakable Sword of Truth, but it isn’t quite powerful enough to slice through swords and armor and flesh in one swing, though. Wizard’s Fire is pretty much out.
Book Rahl vs. these two would definitely be interesting to see, but I don’t mind it this way. The match is a good deal more even without Richard doing his best Rand al’Thor imitation in the midst of it.
November 3, 2009
#22
Funny thing . . . all three television series here were produced by Sam Raimi.
I hadn’t thought about that when I suggested this. Weird irony.
November 3, 2009
#23
If you go original source, then Hercules gets absurd. Just have him pick up the earth beneath you and throw you away. I unfortunately haven’t read too much on Greek Myth Herc (sorry but Odysseus is way cooler) but he is nothing short of godlike among “normal” men.
For feats of Heracles, just look at the his 12 tasks, including besting Cerberus with his bare hands and dragging him back from the underworld. Kahlan is not going to beat Heracles with a physical touch, she may dodge those arrows in the show, but with Heracles special bow and aim, I doubt she would dodge any more than a few.
And Richard better be at least the best swordsman ever in SoT (that means with a regular sword) if he wants to go toe-to-toe with Heracles in combat.
But I do not know the magical capabilities of these fighters extensively.
If you hadn’t noticed, Xena is fodder if it goes to original sources!
Yet nobody in this match is normal, its still worth saying.
November 4, 2009
#24
@Cpt Olimar
Mate, look at post 4
Admin: “For this particular instance, we are going to use the tv versions of all characters involved.”
Guess that means, no greco-mythological Hercules for the battle…unfortunate for Xena….
- the pondering fool
November 4, 2009
#25
My ignorance extends to tv hercules. Is he just a buff guy. Can he even fly? Any magic, swordskills etc.
I think you’re all underestimating Xena, she could end up a major threat if she went ninja and snuck up behind rahl who’d be busy trying to close hercules’ can o’ whoop ass
November 4, 2009
#26
“And Richard better be at least the best swordsman ever in SoT (that means with a regular sword) if he wants to go toe-to-toe with Heracles in combat.”
He is in the books, without or without the titular Sword of Truth, a master swordsman who can defeat even other blademasters in combat. In Legend of the Seeker, its less sure. He isn’t a blademaster without the SoT, but with it, his abilities seem to be augmented to the point where he can stand against and sometimes defeat veteran soldiers, warriors, and blademasters.
Legend of the Seeker Richard, I think, would not stand much of a chance at all against the real Hercules from mythology. Against the TV version that interacted with Xena . . . he’d have a better chance, but still a small one. Book Richard, with his powerful magical abilities and magic-buffed fighting style, would stand much better against the mythological version and probably curbstomb the TV version. This is, however, the fight between the TV versions, the weaker incarnations of both.
“Kahlan is not going to beat Heracles with a physical touch, she may dodge those arrows in the show, but with Heracles special bow and aim, I doubt she would dodge any more than a few.”
Do you mean that Kahlan wouldn’t be able to get near him, because of his bow? Or do you mean that she wouldn’t be able to beat him if it came to close combat? Her touch is magical in origin and works regardless of physical strength, so it should probably affect even a being of supernatural strength. The bow is another matter. Is this something that’s just from mythology, or does the Hercules from the show use a bow as well?
“I think you’re all underestimating Xena, she could end up a major threat if she went ninja and snuck up behind rahl who’d be busy trying to close hercules’ can o’ whoop ass”
I don’t think stealth is very likely or practical in a two-vs-two scenario, unless Team Truth decides to gang up on Hercules first and ignore Xena altogether.
November 4, 2009
#27
@AHEM
I was going on your statements about book Rahl (i.e. original source) and just responded to what an original Herc would bring to the table.
What I meant when I said Kahlan isn’t beating him QCQ is that she would never have a chance ot touch Herc (once again I was discussing greek myth herc). Basically, imagine Achilles from the movie troy, acting with orders of magnitude more in strength, and at least twice as fast, if not more. I don’t think she would be able to her get hand near him without it being cut off.
Considering how the writers of the Xena show seem to have the same knowledge of Greek Myth as a 12 year old, I doubt Herc has his insane bow from greek myth, so that is probably ignorable in this battle.
Ah.. Xena, at least you didn’t ruin good ‘ol Odysseus. What a shame that would have been.
In conclusion?
Herc almost definitely takes richard, the time taken is up for debate, but I have seen enough of him in the TV series (so far at least) that Herc should take him.
Xena would throw her chakram, have it miss then engage in melee only to be converted against herc, who may or may not be able to beat her too.
Bah, Kahlan is tipping this in their favor. Conversion is way too deciding of an ability in a 2v2 match.
November 4, 2009
#28
“What I meant when I said Kahlan isn’t beating him QCQ is that she would never have a chance ot touch Herc (once again I was discussing greek myth herc). Basically, imagine Achilles from the movie troy, acting with orders of magnitude more in strength, and at least twice as fast, if not more. I don’t think she would be able to her get hand near him without it being cut off.”
Well, talking about the mythical version, no arguments from me there. The real Hercules could handle both Legend of the Seeker characters by himself unless they were the ones from the book, but Herc from the Legendary Journeys and Xena: Warrior Princess isn’t quite up to that level of extreme power. Definitely above a normal human, but not quite a god among men.
“Bah, Kahlan is tipping this in their favor. Conversion is way too deciding of an ability in a 2v2 match.”
It would definitely end Team Xena(Team Hercena?) entirely if Hercules was Confessed. Xena being confessed would be a little less of an instant win, but still very dangerous. I’d say Herc could take Xena if he had to, but against Xena, Rahl, and Kahlan all at once is another story . . . and because he wouldn’t know what a Confessor is, Herc might get surprised if he doesn’t realize that Xena has been turned into a pawn of the Mother Confessor. He might get backstabbed when he thinks she’s coming to help fight off Richard.
November 6, 2009
#29
“don’t think stealth is very likely or practical in a two-vs-two scenario, unless Team Truth decides to gang up on Hercules first and ignore Xena altogether.”
i was just being the devil’s advocate..wow, not a lot of XEnanites around…who’s gonna pay me?!
November 6, 2009
#30
any team but xena FTW
November 6, 2009
#31
“i was just being the devil’s advocate..wow, not a lot of XEnanites around…who’s gonna pay me?!”
Hehehe, I have to say, you do a pretty good job of it in these matches. It’s always more interesting when these battles actually have arguments rather than just “this side stomps the other!”
However, I most definitely am not paying. You’ll have to contact the Xena maniacs for that. I’m sure they’ll be grateful for defending their personal Go . . .uh, I mean, their Warrior Princess.
I’ve also noticed something . . . where did the hordes of Xena fans go? Back when Conan vs. Xena was originally put up, every third post was a crazed Xena idiot. Now, there’s only one or two still around the site, and they rarely comment on the fights involving Xena anymore. The rematch being Xena and Conan went to over 100 comments without a hitch. Not that I’m complaining(I think its an improvement), but it’s interesting to note.
November 6, 2009
#32
“I’ve also noticed something . . . where did the hordes of Xena fans go? Back when Conan vs. Xena was originally put up, every third post was a crazed Xena idiot. Now, there’s only one or two still around the site, and they rarely comment on the fights involving Xena anymore. The rematch being Xena and Conan went to over 100 comments without a hitch. Not that I’m complaining(I think its an improvement), but it’s interesting to note.”
True, the Aragorn vs. Xena thread went quite also. Probably because Jwyanals (I know, i spelled it wrong), gave up trying to help out Xena. Though, on the Factpile Award section, Xena still has the award for beating Conan in the previous thread…..interesting….
November 7, 2009
#33
“Jwyanals (I know, i spelled it wrong)”
You . . . misspelled it with ANAL in it. I hope Jwylnas doesn’t see this!
Sorry, don’t mean to be rude, but I just found that really funny.
“Though, on the Factpile Award section, Xena still has the award for beating Conan in the previous thread…..interesting….”
Outrageous! That travesty should definitely be fixed one Conan gets the Factpile award in the rematch. The Loser Princess must not be allowed to keep an award!
Anyway, the real Hercules from mythology would indeed be a worthy challenge to Team Truth, but in this scenario, Richard and Kahlan are going to be the victors. Xena would get OMGPWNED by either of them in a matter of moments. Herc is the only way that Team Xerc(see, Ahem? I can do it too) would possibly win this, and only then if he uses Xena as a meatshield to absorb Kahlan’s Confession and then beats Richard.
November 7, 2009
#34
““Jwyanals (I know, i spelled it wrong)”
You . . . misspelled it with ANAL in it. I hope Jwylnas doesn’t see this!
Sorry, don’t mean to be rude, but I just found that really funny.”
Haha, I just noticed that now. Sorry Jwylans, was not intentional at all. Guess typing at 5 in the morning is not good. What can I say, I am dedicated to Factpile.
- the pondering fool
November 7, 2009
#35
“Herc is the only way that Team Xerc(see, Ahem? I can do it too) would possibly win this”
I have to agree, Herc is the only way for Team Herxeclenas the Legendary Warrior to possibly beat team Rihlan chalnell.(Top that.)
Anyway, I just remembered a crucial factor that I’ve been forgetting up to now: The Con Dar. Whenever someone threatens Richard, Kahlan has the ability to tap the Blood Rage to increase her abilities. At first I dismissed this as book-Kahlan only, but then I remembered that she used that power in Legend of the Seeker as well.
While in the Con Dar, Kahlan has several increased powers, including telekinetic control of objects, the ability to Confess targets from a distance, and also no need to spend hours regenerating her power after using her Confessor’s Touch.
This turns everything completely to Team Truth’s favor. If Kahlan goes into the Con Dar, she could conceivably make the swords that Team Hercena carries fly out of their hands and stab them, or just point at either of them and convert them to Team Truth in an instant, and then take down the other the same way. Richard might not even need to do anything other than just be in danger so Kahlan can unleash it.
I’d say that Team Truth could win every time if Kahlan uses this, so Team Hercena’s only real chance would be to take her down before she can use it. And if Hercules attacks her immediately, he risks being Confessed . . .
November 7, 2009
#36
“I’d say that Team Truth could win every time if Kahlan uses this, so Team Hercena’s only real chance would be to take her down before she can use it. And if Hercules attacks her immediately, he risks being Confessed . . .”
There is always the chance Hercules decides to use Xena as a human bat, knocks out Kahlan before she goes into the Con Dar. And if she uses her Confessor’s touch, she would be touching the knocked out, human-bat, Xena. Sounds a little far fetch……but i guess it could work?……ok, i admit, it is about a 1/1000000000 chance, but heck, it would be awesome to see……
- the pondering fool
November 7, 2009
#37
Well, if Kahlan’s formidable confessing(?) abilities can be enhanced with range, than this is going into stomp territory. The small chance I see Team Herc (why even include Xena? It’s not like she is contributing to this team) winning is if Herc kills Kahlan quickly, through some sort of surprise perhaps.
I think it is fair to say that if Kahlan dies, and Herc remains alive (and on his own team) the seeker team is screwed. Richard is not beating Herc in a one-on-one duel now. Maybe in a few seasons perhaps?
Team seeker has the most probable chance of victory, at least in incarnations of characters.
November 8, 2009
#38
“Richard is not beating Herc in a one-on-one duel now. Maybe in a few seasons perhaps?”
If the series is making an effort to follow the books at all, Richard should start using magic sometime in season 2.
November 10, 2009
#39
“There is always the chance Hercules decides to use Xena as a human bat, knocks out Kahlan”
hahaha, or a meatshield…he is the world’s strongest man…i think he might want a personal touch…
November 10, 2009
#40
you all need to quit picking on Jwlynas name…. its Jw Lynas…
despite his defence of the most hated xena…. he is an upstanding guy….
Oh by the way I 100% advocate the idea of Herc using xena as a swingable weapon/spear/shield/buttplug.
November 10, 2009
#41
“Oh by the way I 100% advocate the idea of Herc using xena as a swingable weapon/spear/shield/buttplug.”
See, even the most reasonable of people, believe that this is the most logical way of defeating Team Truth. If you want a Xena-human and you can purchase it for £9.99. Call in the next 5 minutes, and you might just get free shipping.
- the pondering fool
November 11, 2009
#42
“Oh by the way I 100% advocate the idea of Herc using xena as a swingable weapon/spear/shield/buttplug.”
I think it would definitely be amusing to see, but there’s one problem with it. Minimal prep time is assumed, so Herc wouldn’t really know that he’s facing off against opponents that could turn him into a walking slave. Unless he figured out the problem really quickly, he probably wouldn’t resort to such extreme measures, unfortunately.
Then again, maybe if Xena is Confessed and Herc figures out that his teammate has turned on him, he’ll knock her out and put her to good use in this fashion. Talk about hitting two birds with one stone.
November 11, 2009
#43
“Oh by the way I 100% advocate the idea of Herc using xena as a swingable weapon/spear/shield/buttplug.”
Batter up, Herc! Here comes the pitch . . .
Kahlan used a Confession ball! Strike three! Herc is out!
November 12, 2009
#44
After going into the Con Dar the first time, Kahlan also gained the ability to throw bolts of mixed additive/subtractive lightning, which have demonstrated sufficient destructive power to blow superhuman creatures apart with a single hit. She can use these whenever someone is threatening Richard, without even going fully into the Con Dar.
Of course, that ability only shows up in the books, so it cannot be said for sure that she has in the TV show. Then again, since Legend!Kahlan can go into and out of the Con Dar at the drop of a hat so long as Richard is nearby and in danger, she probably wouldn’t need to use that ability.
November 12, 2009
#45
The Con Dar….such overkill in this match……already having additive lightning, then to top that, you need subtractive magic? overkill….
- the pondering fool
November 14, 2009
#46
“The Con Dar….such overkill in this match……already having additive lightning, then to top that, you need subtractive magic? overkill….”
Team Truth doesn’t have additive lightning ordinarily, at least not in the TV series. Kahlan gets a lightning attack that seems to be a mix of the two when she’s in the Con Dar, and doesn’t have either in other scenarios. Book Richard has both types of lightning normally, when he can get his magic working. TV Richard has neither.
It would definitely be the deciding factor. But again, she never threw lightning in the TV series, so Herc and Xena might still have a chance if they can bring her down before she can turn up the rage factor.
Richard had better take point man here, draw Team Xerc’s attention away from Kahlan. Him being threatened will help bring out the Con Dar, and if he should fall, Kahlan will still be alive to take the match out of vengeance.
If Kahlan throws herself into the fray, however . . . Team Truth might lose their most potent weapon too early.
November 15, 2009
#47
“If Kahlan throws herself into the fray, however . . . Team Truth might lose their most potent weapon too early.”
Richard won’t want that to happen. He’ll charge into the fray immediately, driven on by the idea of her being in danger, and that will set off the Con Dar.
Wait, would they still behave in this way if it was the TV versions? Kahlan and Richard aren’t really romantically involved yet, and Kahlan seems more like Richard’s sidekick at this point.
November 15, 2009
#48
“Richard won’t want that to happen. He’ll charge into the fray immediately, driven on by the idea of her being in danger, and that will set off the Con Dar.”
Problem is, it might happen the other way around. Kahlan, after all, pledged her life in the defense of the Seeker . . .
“Wait, would they still behave in this way if it was the TV versions? Kahlan and Richard aren’t really romantically involved yet, and Kahlan seems more like Richard’s sidekick at this point.”
I’d say that the Con Dar could still possibly be used. After all, Kahlan used it in defense of Richard in Legend of the Seeker, even though they aren’t officially “together” at the moment.
November 17, 2009
#49
kill xena already… please….
November 17, 2009
#50
“kill xena already… please….”
I believe Kratos, Darth Maul, and Sir Dan already did, and Conan, Aragorn, Wonder Woman, Jack Sparrow, Chuck Norris, and Thor are awaiting the Factpile Award.
But yeah, one more death to Xena would be all the better. Con Dar FTW! Team Truth for the Factpile Award!
November 18, 2009
#51
“But yeah, one more death to Xena would be all the better. Con Dar FTW! Team Truth for the Factpile Award!”
I second.
January 9, 2010
#52
“Funny thing . . . all three television series here were produced by Sam Raimi.”
Rob Tapert has more to do with these shows than Sam Raimi, if anything. Who is married to Lucy Lawless, who played Xena.
January 9, 2010
#53
Oh yeah, and the Hercules and Xena team win.
January 9, 2010
#54
“Oh yeah, and the Hercules and Xena team win.”
/facepalm.
Please go comment somewhere else. Your insane, Xena-worshipping troll logic is spoiling a perfectly good debate. If you don’t have something at least moderately intelligent to post, don’t post at all.
January 9, 2010
#55
She was also in the Xena vs Conan rematch thread, where she revealed she appeareantly is only able to see her own posts.
January 9, 2010
#56
“She was also in the Xena vs Conan rematch thread, where she revealed she appeareantly is only able to see her own posts.”
Damn, it seems the Xena fantards having all disappeared. There’s one egregious specimen left.
Call for the Factpile exterminators, we have a pest problem. We hope to curb the issue before it becomes a full-blown infestation.
January 9, 2010
#57
“Rob Tapert has more to do with these shows than Sam Raimi, if anything. Who is married to Lucy Lawless, who played Xena.”
You know what, I think that’s the most sense she’s made in the history of Factpile. A random comment about how Rob Tapert relates to this, and it’s the best she’s ever done. You know things are bad when you get down to that level.
January 9, 2010
#58
@ angela
If you have a good reason, please state your logic. If not, please do not let who your favorite character is decide who will win an intellectual debate.
And by the way, Richard CAN use magic in the show too! Though we do not have the details yet, things are looking even grimmer than before for Hercules and Xena…
January 9, 2010
#59
God! Just give up angela!
This debate seems pretty much settled, so I nominate Team Truth for FP award!
January 9, 2010
#60
“Call for the Factpile exterminators, we have a pest problem. We hope to curb the issue before it becomes a full-blown infestation.”
I called in the UNSC. Surely they couldn’t fuck this up. But if they fail there’s still the Daleks (Who need to be on this site more often) cause they you know exterminate stuff.
January 9, 2010
#61
Why don’t we just let Team Truth handle it?
January 9, 2010
#62
”
“Call for the Factpile exterminators, we have a pest problem. We hope to curb the issue before it becomes a full-blown infestation.”
I called in the UNSC. Surely they couldn’t fuck this up. But if they fail there’s still the Daleks (Who need to be on this site more often) cause they you know exterminate stuff.”
eh, I would go with Rand, the one man killing machine. The UNSC is too busy salvaging earth back together for them to help. Wait, I guess one marine could finish of Hercules and Xena……yeah, one one do it….
- pf
January 9, 2010
#63
just call in a exterminatus, make sure to leave no trace and wipe their filth from the universe once and for all.
January 10, 2010
#64
“eh, I would go with Rand, the one man killing machine. The UNSC is too busy salvaging earth back together for them to help. Wait, I guess one marine could finish of Hercules and Xena……yeah, one one do it….”
I already tried to call up Rand on an earlier date to request balefire services. He said he was too busy with his three girlfriends and the wars and the Forsaken and he has to prepare for the End of the World coming and all. Poor man, he sounded distraught. Things really seem to be getting grim over there in Randland.
“This debate seems pretty much settled, so I nominate Team Truth for FP award!”
Amen to that! Team Truth for the victory! Factpile Award for the Seeker and the Confessor!
January 10, 2010
#65
“Amen to that! Team Truth for the victory! Factpile Award for the Seeker and the Confessor!”
I agree!
(Hercules and Xena must be pretty pathetic if the TV Richard and Kahlan can bring them down)
January 10, 2010
#66
“(Hercules and Xena must be pretty pathetic if the TV Richard and Kahlan can bring them down)”
It’s mostly the Confession/Con Dar factor being brought into the match. As the Legend of the Seeker goes into further episodes, Richard should start developing magic as well, which would make this even more of a victory for Team Truth.
January 13, 2010
#67
“It’s mostly the Confession/Con Dar factor being brought into the match. As the Legend of the Seeker goes into further episodes, Richard should start developing magic as well, which would make this even more of a victory for Team Truth.”
Yeah…the problem with Kahlan in Factpile is she is at a disadvantage with anyone with magic or a bow but will win outright against any close combat foe or turn the odds instantly in a team match. Unless Hercules and Xena could get Darken Rahl to make shields for them (unlikely) they are toast.
And as for Richard’s magic…The Sisters of Light are in the next episode of Legend of the Seeker! FINALLY!
January 14, 2010
#68
“Unless Hercules and Xena could get Darken Rahl to make shields for them (unlikely) they are toast.”
Even if they could, that would be outside help. The toast is served.
“And as for Richard’s magic…The Sisters of Light are in the next episode of Legend of the Seeker! FINALLY!”
And Mriswith. Those are kickass. In the episode after that, apparently, Nicci is going to appear.
January 14, 2010
#69
“In the episode after that, apparently, Nicci is going to appear.”
Or rather, whatever canon-raping LotS character they’re going to tell us is Nicci will appear. I absolutely refuse to in any way associate the one from LotS with the actual Nicci in the books.
January 14, 2010
#70
“Or rather, whatever canon-raping LotS character they’re going to tell us is Nicci will appear. I absolutely refuse to in any way associate the one from LotS with the actual Nicci in the books.”
You do realize we’ve never even seen her yet. There is a 1 in a 1000 chance they may get her right, but they have gotten a few characters close in the past. We must not give up hope!
The Mriswith look pretty awesome, however. And I may finally learn how to actually say their name right…
January 14, 2010
#71
“You do realize we’ve never even seen her yet. There is a 1 in a 1000 chance they may get her right, but they have gotten a few characters close in the past. We must not give up hope!”
O RLY?
Mazrim, I apologize for having to cruelly snuff out your hopes, but someone has to. Images of Sister Nicci as she will be portrayed in the episode “Dark” have already hit the web, and well . . . for a dedicated Nicci fan who is very familiar with the character and her color scheme(black dress, blond, blue eyes) it’s a serious wallbanger moment. The Nicci in LotS is about the exact opposite of the one from the books in terms of hair, eyes, and dress code.(Personality too, if what else I’ve heard is accurate.) The Nicci from LotS might as well be Sister Nicci’s antithetical opposite from the Bizarro World.
Without further adue, allow me to personally introduce you to Bizarro-Nicci.
http://forums.legendoftheseeker.org/showthread.php?t=1561
http://seeker.warriorprincess.com/?p=1782
http://www.terrygoodkind.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1420
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
January 14, 2010
#72
“Images of Sister Nicci as she will be portrayed in the episode “Dark” have already hit the web, and well . . . for a dedicated Nicci fan who is very familiar with the character and her color scheme(black dress, blond, blue eyes) it’s a serious wallbanger moment. The Nicci in LotS is about the exact opposite of the one from the books in terms of hair, eyes, and dress code.(Personality too, if what else I’ve heard is accurate.) The Nicci from LotS might as well be Sister Nicci’s antithetical opposite from the Bizarro World.”
They should just call her Sister Merissa. It would make more sense.
January 14, 2010
#73
@ John Anen, AHEM, and pretty much the world in general
Nooooooooooooo! Their last chance to do something right, and they RUINED it! How is Nicci Nicci if she does not wear black? Darken Rahl I could tolerate, but this? This is blasphemy! Aaaaaaahhhh!
And the worst part is, people on the websites you linked to actually liked the strange-imitiation-of-something-not-even-close-to-the-awesomeness-that-is-Nicci.
January 14, 2010
#74
“Nooooooooooooo! Their last chance to do something right, and they RUINED it! How is Nicci Nicci if she does not wear black? Darken Rahl I could tolerate, but this? This is blasphemy! Aaaaaaahhhh!”
Like I said, I theorize that this Nicci is somehow the evil twin of the real Nicci from an alternate universe. She has eyes, hair, and clothing that is directly opposed to the Nicci from the books. The only thing they could have done worse is if they’d put her into a pink dress or something.
I’m the kind of person who likes the kind of badass, morally conflicted blond sorceresses like Nicci or Senna Wales or whoever, and it is more than a little disappointing when they go through such an adaptation dye job. It’s funny that no matter how many times fans express their outrage over this kind of thing, the directors and screenplay writers behind adaptations never wise up to the kinds of things that are provoking our ire.
January 14, 2010
#75
“Nooooooooooooo! Their last chance to do something right, and they RUINED it! How is Nicci Nicci if she does not wear black? Darken Rahl I could tolerate, but this? This is blasphemy! Aaaaaaahhhh!”
It’s hard to conceive of what was going through their minds when whatever decision that resulted in Nicci wearing a red dress came to pass. Especially considering that Nicci WILL NOT put a strip of clothing on her body unless it is black. This was actually a plot point in one of the later books, when she actually put on a red dress as a diguise, because no one who knew her personally would ever have thought she’d actually wear something like that.
January 17, 2010
#76
All right, back on topic, everybody, Factpile Award for Team Truth. We have three nominations, from myself, Darth Destro, and Mazrim.
January 17, 2010
#77
“All right, back on topic, everybody, Factpile Award for Team Truth. We have three nominations, from myself, Darth Destro, and Mazrim.”
I’ll throw in my support for Sunday, as well. Factpile Award for Team Truth.
Admin, it’s Sunday . . . four nominations for the Truthers . . . hint hint . . .
February 5, 2010
#78
Xena & Ares vs Richard & Kahlan will be far more interesting
February 21, 2010
#79
Richard could handle both at the same time. He is a war wizard and with his sword glowing white, he is nearly unstoppable!! With Kahlan at his side with her
CON DAR?! She would dominate too. She can shoot her powers at them with the Con Dar or Confess them from a distance (When regarding the T.V. series Kahlan) Richard and Kahlan, no doubt!!!
February 25, 2010
#80
“She can shoot her powers at them with the Con Dar or Confess them from a distance (When regarding the T.V. series Kahlan) Richard and Kahlan, no doubt!!!”
Book!Kahlan has also demonstrated the ability to confess targets at a distance, just so you know.
February 25, 2010
#81
Yeah, I wasn’t sure if she could do that in the book too. I didn’t want to say so without being 100% sure. Well, we know now for certain who would win. After all, Kahlan could confess multiple people at the same time too from a distance in the Con Dar. She could just confess both Xena and Hercules.
May 3, 2010
#82
hercules and xena wouldn’t even have the chance to have a fight with richard rhal, richard created a new dimension so that people without the gift can live in a world where there is no magic, (obviously some people with a weak aspect of the gift managed to make the voyage with the ungifted people and became the greek gods), the people without the gift are far relatives of the house rhal: they were ofspring of the rhal’s with a gift strong enough to preserve the binding with the dharanian people (they were born to keep the balance in magic cause the rhal’s are the wizard’s who first had the chance to become a real god(creating a intire new world))
June 12, 2010
#83
VERY interesting match up. TV Richard and Kahlan… hmm… I’d still go with Richard here. I know the TV show doesn’t say this but he has the magic of the Sword of Truth. He has all the previous seekers to him. He can take on thirty sword masters, not to mention cut his way through an army of savage murderers, with the Dance with Death. I don’t honestly think Herc or Xena can win this one… I’d say his magic would help but in the show I believe Nicci stole all his Han so that sort of… ruins his magic ability in that aspect… unless it had it come back. I personally hated when it said she had stolen it considering I until the person dies you cannot steal something that the owner generates.
all the same RR v Herc comes out Richard on top.
Now Xena v Kahlan… I want to give it to Kahlan but I honestly don’t know enough about Xena’s fighting ability. But I still will say if Kahlan can touch Xena, the fight is over. Then it’s Herc versus Richard, Kahlan, and Xena. And Xena could just throw herself on Herc’s blade so Richard or Kahlan can kill him.
Go Team Seeker!
June 28, 2010
#84
I have watched all three shows, in their entirety. I’ve never read the Sword of Truth books, so I feel I can comment based on what I’ve seen on TV.
First, I think you’re all seriously underestimating Xena’s abilities. In the fifth season of Xena (or so), she *killed* almost all of the Greek Gods, virtually single-handedly. She has also been a Valkyrie. In terms of physical strength, she was repeatedly shown in the series as having the strength of several men. (Actually, we’re not sure how strong she really is – never fully established, but definitely physically stronger than TV Kahlan or Richard.) Also, I think she’s a stronger technical fighter than Richard, and possibly Kahlan. Kahlan on TV has been hit with arrows/blows that would never have touched Xena, so I think her reflexes are sharper (though of course, Kahlan’s are also sharp).
Next, I don’t know that we can assume that Hercules can be confessed. He is 1/2 Greek god, and we don’t know what that means in terms of confession. If a full Greek god was in the fray, I would argue that he/she could not be confessed. (Do they even have the necessary psychic anatomy that confession requires?)
As was mentioned before, I think the best bet for Team Truth is Kahlan in the Con Dar, but in the show that hasn’t happened in a way that she can control, and there was a time when she tried to invoke it and couldn’t. If Xena and Herc know that Kahlan’s a confessor, they wouldn’t let her near them. Herc would probably throw boulders at her, trees, etc. And he would probably smack Richard and toss him twenty feet. (Which might trigger the Con Dar, and lead to a Team Truth victory.)
Honestly, I don’t think Richard, as he is now in the TV show, could take Xena. He’s too unfledged. She’d have the Sword of Truth from him quickly, after dazzling him with her chakram, and then do her crazy pressure points on him. Kahlan’s more of a wild card – not sure what would happen between the two. But it’s also worth noting that confession in the TV show is not instantaneous – there are several times when a confessor has had her hand on a throat and been beaten off before confessing the other person (Denna in season one; Denee/Cara in season two). So we can’t assume Kahlan touches the other person and it’s instantly over – I think Xena would knee her in the guts and jump away.
I’m sorry Xena gets such a bad rap here, but I think some of it is because people haven’t watched the entire series. Some of the show is wayyyyyyy out there, but she consistently pulls off crazy stuff/victories that Kahlan/Richard have not come close to in LotS. (The other side that has never been mentioned here is that Xena is a *brilliant* tactical strategist (there are many episodes that deal with that), far moreso than Kahlan or Richard at this point in the show), and I think she could devise a plan to use the terrain in creative ways, etc.)
As I see it, TV Herc/Xena beat TV Richard/Kahlan about 60/40. And most of that 40 is Kahlan confessing Xena and/or going into the Con Dar (or confessing Herc, if possible). I think Xena and Herc could both wipe the floor with TV Richard, so the real threat/wild card is Kahlan. If she confesses Xena or Herc, the fight is over. If not, Team Truth loses.
June 28, 2010
#85
“Honestly, I don’t think Richard, as he is now in the TV show, could take Xena. He’s too unfledged. She’d have the Sword of Truth from him quickly, after dazzling him with her chakram, and then do her crazy pressure points on him. Kahlan’s more of a wild card – not sure what would happen between the two. But it’s also worth noting that confession in the TV show is not instantaneous – there are several times when a confessor has had her hand on a throat and been beaten off before confessing the other person (Denna in season one; Denee/Cara in season two). So we can’t assume Kahlan touches the other person and it’s instantly over – I think Xena would knee her in the guts and jump away.”
We have a thread between Kahlan and Xena. As for confessing, well if Kahlan wills it then Xena won’t have time to kick her in the gut….
June 28, 2010
#86
“We have a thread between Kahlan and Xena. As for confessing, well if Kahlan wills it then Xena won’t have time to kick her in the gut….”
I read that thread – it seemed to deal much more with SoT Kahlan than LotS Kahlan, which IMO, is a huge difference. If this thread were SoT Richard and Kahlan vs. TV Richard and Kahlan, my overall response would be different.
As per your point about confession, I don’t know. If that’s true, then Kahlan would have confessed Denna the second she touched her throat, as opposed to getting agiel-ed a second later. Ditto Denee and Cara in season two.
June 28, 2010
#87
You really want to know?
Plot shielding
June 28, 2010
#88
I don’t mind knowing, but only if it pertains to LotS. Unless I’m mistaken, SoT material is irrelevant in this battle.
August 19, 2010
#89
sorry but richard would fight against Hercules while kahlan would fight back Xeno as soon as hercules is neer kahlan she would touch while Richard would take Xeno while Hercules is being confessed then Xeno would have weekend kahlan herculis and richard to deal with- in the case that herculise over powers richard and kills him kahlan would go into condor and quickly confess them both