40k, without a doubt.
the reasons? scale and philosophy.
using the imperium as an example; the latter is easy to explain. imperial philosophy dictates complete prosecution against a foe in truly total terms untill the foe is defeated; if it cant win on the ground, and it cant win with its fleets, all it needs is a few hours to make whatever its fighting over a barren rock, completely bereft of economic or strategic use for all of eternity. nothing within star trek cannon has anything resembling the resolve to approach this level of total warfare, and thus it would lose before the opening shot.

in the case of the former; one segmentum of the imperium of man, obscurus for example, is larger than the size of all known space as shown in tng era canon. said segmentum controls untold thousands of capital level warships which dwarf anything i know of the the star trek canon by an order of magnitude. segmentum ground forces (imperial guard and planetary defence forces) are so inpconprehensably vast that not even the imperium is able to guess at just how powerful its military is.

the weakest ships of the imperiums navy used in actual fleet engagements, cobra class destroyers, outgun sovereign class ships heavily and the cobra’s gellar field, the forcefield equivalent, can sustain bombardment from ships of about equal power with a reasonable chance of survival. the would probably, though im not entirely sure, be able to outrange federations ships, which means they can dictate range. the majority of a star-trek starships power comes from the various directed energy weapons, afaik non of them can be used at warp speeds, which severely hampers a starships ability to use tactical warps to its advantage.

imperial battalions (the smallest self contained and self-supporting units) number in the thousands in terms of line troopers, not including support. application of mass, as well as the fact that the lasgun (standard imperial weaponry as well as the basic field weapon, literally the weakest used by front line units) is a true directed energy weapon, and therefor problematic for ST defences, dictates that imperial forces would win any and every ground engagement.

in terms of overall strategic manueverability…im not sure in truth. warp travel is faster than sublight travel by default, and is (pretty) safe, which nominally gives ST races an advantage in speed. it is also exceptionally slow compared to imperial FTL travel. assuming the warp is calm an imperial battlefleet could cross the entire alpha quadrant in a matter of a day or so, where it takes months for a federation starship to do the same. afaik only borg transwarp can even approach this level of speed.

in technological terms, no race in star trek has a chance outside of ftl travel. their defences are, by an indeterminate number of orders of magnitude weaker than they would need to be to survive the opening salvo of an imperial warship, whilst, with the acception of 8472 of the canon races, their ability to provide massed firepower again pales in comparison. the entire federation fleet (some thousands of ships i think by the dominion wars?) could unload all of its weaponry continuously against an imperial ship of heavy cruiser class or greater untill their warp drives were exhausted, their capacitors cracked from age, and every torpedo in the alpha quadrant expended, and the imperial warship would then still be able to wipe them all out in a matter of hours; keep in mind the largest starships outside of borg cubes in star trek-romulan warbirds and sovereign class ships are perhaps the size of an imperial corvette.

in terms of industrial base of potential energy output, again, the ST races literally have a snow balls chance in hell. single forgeworlds in 40k are able to produce enough military equipment to maintain whole imperial armies, which number in the millions of line troopers, with tens of thousands of support vehicles, artillery support and air support, not to mention titans…which are preposterous in scope. a single forge world such as armageddon could literally outproduce the entirety of the star trek galaxy without going into some extreme level of output, using just its standard trade links to maintain said production.

furthermore; we have the sheer scale of difference in terms of endurance. the federation, klingons, romulans etc…are able to prosecute wars for years at a time, with losses of hundreds or thousands of their ships representing near crippling losses, and these factions are exhausted utterly by the end of these wars. the imperial war machine is able to fight on all fronts at all times, simultaneasouly fighting defensive wars alongside succesful wars of conquest, using only a fraction of its full potential military power (once again, the imperium is so monolithically powerful it doesnt even know just how much military power it has) and has done for over 10,000 years. it is nowhere near exhaustion, and far from catastrophic defeat. the imperium can lose military forces that would leave the federation irreversably depopulated without even noticing, let alone flinching.

after all this we have the fact that the imperium is slowly losing its eternal war against the other powers of the 40k galaxy, and it is nevertheless so powerful that a fraction of its raw power (not including gods, trans-dimensional beings or 1-letter superbeings) is more than equal to everything the ST canon could throw at it in any pitched battle.

i honestly dont even get how there can be serious arguments on this matter. as powerful the star trek factions are, and as cool as i think they are, the imperium alone is so much more powerful that it is not a matter of how many weeks the ST canon races could last in war with the federation before they cease to exist in political terms, its a question of how many hours they could do so. games workshop have literally invented something which is impossible for any other universe to deal with.

@some dude
Nintendo wtfpwned Warhammer dont lie

1) the weakest ships of the imperiums navy used in actual fleet engagements, cobra class destroyers, outgun sovereign class ships heavily
- Based on what exactly? How do we know a Cobra outguns a Sovereign?

2) and the cobra’s gellar field, the forcefield equivalent, can sustain bombardment from ships of about equal power with a reasonable chance of survival.
- Really? I am not terribly convinced. Would be interested to know the logic.

3) the would probably, though im not entirely sure, be able to outrange federations ships, which means they can dictate range.
- Ranges are… unclear for both. Both have massive ranges, but I am not sure it is quite clear how massive either of them are (am fairly certain no solid figure has ever been given for maximum ranges for either).

4) majority of a star-trek starships power comes from the various directed energy weapons, afaik non of them can be used at warp speeds, which severely hampers a starships ability to use tactical warps to its advantage.
- Photon torpedoes are anti-matter torpedoes, rather than directed energy weapons. Phasers can be used at warp on certain occasions (seems to change series to series, or even episode to episode).
- even the largest Star Trek vessels seem to be much more manueverable than 40k ones (though even the smallest known fleet vessels are big in Star Trek, the Cobra being roughly the same length as the Enterprise D).

5) is a true directed energy weapon, and therefor problematic for ST defences,
- Eh? Why any more than any other weapon? The lasgun is a pretty low powered weapon. It falls in the same kind of “power” class as a modern assault rifle.

6) dictates that imperial forces would win any and every ground engagement.
- Hmm… they certainly are prepared better for ground combat, Star Trek militaries not tending to have much in the realms of proper ground forces. I think that any hypothetical (as in, taking full advantage of their technology) Star Trek ground forces would have the capability to outclass Imperial ones. If they remained as is, yes, the Imperium has the massive advantage in this area.

7) assuming the warp is calm an imperial battlefleet could cross the entire alpha quadrant in a matter of a day or so,
- Halfway across the galaxy in the space of a day? No. Yes, they would (on an average trip with access to a Navigator, so making long jumps and ignoring getting trapped in the Warp, excessive time weirdness etc ) be quicker than the Star Trek races, but it would still take them a matter of months. A calm warp does not really speed you up (in fact, a totally becalmed one leads to getting pretty much nowhere), just makes it easier and safer to navigate.

100 member worlds does not mean it consists of only 100 planets. There are various things to suggest there are many more colonies (so “member planet” may label a home world, or colonies that have got past a certain developmental stage). However, yes, the Imperium dwarfs the Federation, and even all the Alpha and Beta quadrant powers combined, particularly when it comes to population (seeing as even developed Star trek planets seem to have a population density not much more than modern Earth, and there are many colonies who are what I refer to “Star Trek planets, ie small, with populations in the few millions, sometimes even as low as a few thousand).

“The higher range for 40K firepower reaches into the double digit teratons a salvo.”
- What’s this been worked out from?

WTF watches star trek these days?

That “shitty board game” is uber. If you seek to troll, please troll about something that we don’t laugh at you for.

I’ve debate this thing with some guy on the SciForums and he says that Borg could adapt to Imperial technology so I have to prove to him that Borg cannot adapt to everything so does anyone have a time to help me.
Help a poor 40k fan to beat a trekkie who believes that 40k calcs are wrong.

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=67667&page=12

Here it is.

If you look in this debate you can destroy the ST wanker with L-W statements
http://www.factpile.com/borg-cube-vs-star-wars-imperial-star-destroyer.htm .

If you look in this debate you can destroy the ST wanker with L-W statements
http://www.factpile.com/borg-cube-vs-star-wars-imperial-star-destroyer.htm .

9.5532321112453/10 says he won’t even figure out what gigaton means.

Thanks Sergey.I’ll post them when I’m over with the everyday responsibilities which should be in some 7 hours.

*http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=67667&page=12*

wtf am i reading??

not even going to participate in that but i will keep a close eye on it.

@sergey good luck mate.

Oh God, that idiot believes a Nova Cannon goes at 5,000 km/s even though all other sources contradict it! What a hypocrite, whenever there are multiple sources going against him, he just says “well my source is better”.

Why don’t you read Hellfire8′s posts? He states that teraton and petaton calcs are wrong, and that the Imperium only does megatons on its ship. There’s no debating with Trektards, as they just refuse to understand that Star Trek is weak.

Great, but what about numbers? HF8 says that the Imperium doesn’t even have 100,000 ships.

“there is a size comparison between sovereigns and cobra’s, the sovereign comes in at about 2/3rds the length of the cobra.”

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/7406/40kstscale.jpg

This fight is a joke. Forget the IoM, I want to see Trek try to deal with the Necrons or the ‘nids. I think even the Tau would give Trek a beating in a solo fight (although in that case I think Trek would win, simply because the Tau don’t have FTL travel to my knowledge).
If you combine everything in 40k (the various factions of the Imperium, Chaos, Eldar, Necrons, Tyranids, Orks, Tau, etc) and Trek doesn’t have a chance. Pretty much any one of those factions could solo Trek (except for probably the Tau, as mentioned above), but when you combine them all this is a roflstomp.
I’d pay to see Trek try to deal with Warp Daemons (or even the Warp itself).

Dammit, I’m still here because of HF8.

Yeah, and he demands proof while he uses outdated sources which contradict the rulebook and codex. You should prove him wrong.

So yea, we all know that the Imperium alone would crush the small interstellar societies in Star Trek and the Necrons would clean up what’s left etc etc etc.

The big question is Can the Q and other godlike beings of Star Trek defeat the godlike beings of 40k?

O I post those calcs and still he doesn’t believe me.http://1d4chan.org/images/5/5a/IMPATIENTMARINES.jpg
Grrrr.

1)the sovereign comes in at about 2/3rds the length of the cobra.
- No it doesn’t. A Cobra comes in about 750 metres long (there is a widely distributed, picture which incorrectly doubles its length to 1.5 km, but the creators of Battlefleet Gothic came out ages ago and said it was wrong, asking the orginator of the picture to change it… still hasn’t). Noticably bigger than a Sovereign (certainly so when you get total volume involved, especially as Imperium ships are more blocky than Star Trek ones, rather than pure length), which comes in at about 690m, but not 50% longer again.

Oh, I see someone has posted that inaccurate picture. The Battleship there seems to be slightly too large (seems to be 7.5 km long, but battleships are about 6km long… though I guess 7.5 km may count as “around”). The Cobra is certainly too large though, about twice as big as it should be. This mistake may originate from the fact that the miniatures are not in scale with each other. Within each class (“escort”, “cruiser” and “battleship”) things are ok, but they don’t scale outside their classes… basically so that you don’t have to have unfeasibly large battleships twice the length of cruisers, and tiny escorts that you can barely see any of the details on.

2) cobra’s dish out high end megaton damage as a minimum as memory serves. sovereigns considerably less.
- I am still asking what this is based on. We know the Nova cannon is massively powerful, yes, but there isn’t much that helps us identify the power of lances, macrobatteries and the like. Imperium ships, in all the sources I have seen, are always blasting at each other, which as we don’t know details of their defensive abilities doesn’t tell us much. Real figures are also rarely, if ever used. A deliberate choice, as it does prevent daftly large or small figures complicating issues.

3) its pretty standard in any navy, especially in any fictional universes naval assets, that a ship of a given class will be capable of equalling a ship of the same class in an engagement.
- Yes… So we know a Cobra class doesn’t have a chance against an Emperor class, and an Oberth will be wasted by a Galaxy. However, with comparisons across universes this rule cannot be said to apply. Ok, Imperium ships will almost certainly have more mass than Star Trek ones, but that alone tells us little.

4)federation ships are typically portrayed as designed for short range engagements,
- Eh? Based on what? Ok, we have the onscreen apparent closeness of battles… however, the ranges mentioned on screen often obviously exceed those being shown by the footage, suggesting dramatic license. Then we have the battles in Deep Space 9, which at least elements of which are fought at extremely close range (I am sure 50m metres at one point). However, if I remember correctly no explicit reason is given for doing this, which means that we cannot know that it is because of short effective weapon ranges. Of course, the real, out of universe, reason is so that they can have zippy fighter like scenes with the Defiant dogfighting it out with other 50 metre long combat vessels.

5) the majority of weapons the (for example) federation use are phasers because those are their primary chosen weapon loadout.
- Depends why so many are chosen. There are various reasons why phasers may be present in so many numbers. 1) to cover a greater arc (and so you need a large number), and 2) as has been shown many times, they are a flexible tool, not just a weapon. Now, they are probably the most frequently seen weapon on-screen (though in TNG in combat scenarios photon torpedoes seem to be used about as much), but seeing as so little of Star Trek relies on military combat (most combat being short range skirmishes) that can’t be seen as being definitive proof that phasers are the primary military weapon. TNG uses photons relatively frequently, and DS9 throws them around in large numbers (The Defiant is seen shunting out torpedoes in significant quantities on occasions, even if the rapid fire phasers seem to be its primary weapon). Voyager was meant to be short of the buggers (though that particular element was ignored whenever the script writers wanted to), so was likely to need to rely more on phasers, whether they were the primary weapon or not. Original Series… yup, there Photon Torpedoes were limited in their presence. That could be due to the technology being new or something like that (but then the original out of universe creator of the photon torpedoes saw them more as a setting for the phasers, rather than as an actual missile).

6) the lasgun is weak by wh40k standards.
- Yup. However, it is the standard weapon on ground troops, and alongside autoguns the most common in the 40k background. Autoguns and lasguns are largely interchangeable, and autoguns are basically assault rifles. Some more advanced models have stuff like caseless ammunition and other things like that, but a modern assault rifle would be recognised as an autogun by a resident of the 40k universe. Lasguns are assault rifle equivalents.

6) it is typically also shown to be able to punch through inch thick ferrocrete
- By some daft writers who overpower all sorts of things.

7) which is a compound of undetermined (though manifestly greater) strength than any remotely comparable material within star trek fiction as far as i know it.
- Erm. We have no idea what ferrocrete is. It is something that fulfills a similar role to reinforced concrete in the 40k universe. That is all we know. In fact, it may just be a 40k name for reinforced concrete.

8)on the ground the star trek races have less than no chance.
- As shown in the TV series, yes. However, with the tech demonstrated they could, if they wanted, make a significantly superior ground force. Not that that takes much… many modern armies have a superior ground force (man for man) than the Imperial Guard.

9) their tech is inferior (phasers and disrupters are inaccurate at spitting distance)
- Well, we never see anything beyond spitting distance, but that seems fair.

10) and could not possibly advance to a level where theoretical parity emerges within a thousand years,
- Eh? It would take a matter of months to train up a proper ground force which man for man would be better than the Imperial Guard. Superior weapons would at most take a similar amount of time to develop and construct. The Imperial Guard does not win through superior technology or training (in most cases). It wins through being an unstoppable juggernaut of massed manpower and material. Now, it would probably win against even a properly designed Star Trek ground force (rather than the nonsense we see on screen), but due too big for them to deal with, not due to better tech and soldiers.

11) let alone the few hours theyd have between the beginning of the imperial attack and the imperial victory.
- In any one individual battle, yeah. Over the whole Federation? No. The speed Imperial forces move would mean even a poorly defended planet would take a number of weeks to properly pacify (unless they just destroy the planet, but even the Imperium doesn’t do that without good reason). Plenty of time to to organise proper defensive forces by the 3 or 4th wave of invasions.

10) the imperium, also, as i said in my original post, the product of a society at war (and usually winning those wars) for approximately 10,000 years. their doctrines, tactics, strategic and tactical capabilities, their very mindset, ensure the imperiums total victory in a month at most.
- It would take more than a month to cross Federation space. Now, Warp travel in the 40k sense at its best is faster (if less reliable) than Warp speed (Star Trek) travel, but it even then it would take an unopposed, unhindered force getting the best possible warp speed about 2 months to cross (compared to about a year for Warp Speed travel). And getting that best possible speed is unlikely. Putting aside space combat (as being a bit difficult to be sure about) I would estimate an easy first month or so, with the first wave of invasions. After that it would become progressively harder (as long as the Star Trek universe got its act together and created an actual ground force). I would see final victory taking a few years (3-10), not a month.

11) (although in that case I think Trek would win, simply because the Tau don’t have FTL travel to my knowledge).
- They do. It is not as fast as Imperial Warp travel (the fastest there is. Eldar can get somewhere faster using the webway, but if they are forced to make actual “warp jumps” they are slower than the Imperium), but no interstellar empire would be possible without it. They “skim” the warp, making short jumps, not immersing themselves as much as the Imperium can.

12) And yet in the 5th Edition, the Imperium loses “millions” of vessels during some gigantic Warp storm or something.
- Erm… Not as far as I am aware. They loose a transport convoy which is carrying 5 million guardsmen, not millions of ships (however, I don’t have my rulebook with me, so I cannot be sure).

13) The big question is Can the Q and other godlike beings of Star Trek defeat the godlike beings of 40k?
- Yes. At least that would be my take. The Gods of 40k are more constrained in their power than the Q are (they *may* be more powerful, but they have barriers to using it that the Q apprently don’t). They can do pretty much as they wish inside the warp, but outside it they rely more on influencing people subtly, or on the warp/real space barrier being weakened (or even broken, ala the Eye of Terror). The Q don’t have such constraints on their power (aside from being policed by others of their own kind), seemingly doing as they please as long as another Q doesn’t intervene.

Actually, I guess it is more that I feel that the Q could do something, while the 40k Gods couldn’t do much. Whether they could destroy the 40k gods is questionable (aside from wiping out all emotional life, as the 40k gods are manifestations of certain emotions in the warp), but the 40k gods are likely to be irrelevant to any war (their plans tend to take years to come to fruition on any major scale), while if the Q chose to (it is debatable whether they would) they could defeat any 40k invasion with the flick of a wrist.

Could anyone help me to beat that trekkie who ignored L-W posts.

BFG canon > Ultramarines novel. Seriously, that prick takes the absolute worst of W40k and puts it as the maximum, so fuck him.

trektards who really go to utter extremes to defend their universe are the worst.i am simply afraid on how he will react on the next facts presented to him.

My only gripe here is that if anyone really settled the strength of the hyper-beings or deities on both sides.

“trektards who really go to utter extremes to defend their universe are the worst.i am simply afraid on how he will react on the next facts presented to him.”

There will be always a certain fanboy in every franchise that will act like an ass-mongrel.

“I think that hyper-beings aren’t included in this debate,same goes for the temporeral thing.”

I thought it was the whole of both franchises.

I know that this is not exactly a canon source but read what this has to say at the threat assessment section.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/mrwong/wiki/index.php/Tau_Empire

I genuinely want to know if that is true about the tau conquering all of star trek easily.

1) Care to post evidence of this? Those pictures are accurate according to nearly everything I’ve read about ship sizes. Escorts can be as small as 750 meters, but that’s as small as they get.
- Those pictures were arbitrarily changed by that Spaceship size website (merzo.net), and even though the original artist asked that it be changed back to their original sizes nothing has since happened… and it keeps being brought up as evidence for longer ship lengths.
This matter has been debated many times on Warseer (a GW games forum, largely devoted to 40k) and the general consensus among those in the know is that Imperiam ships, while very large, are not as big as often presumed (same goes for Titans). Those that say larger scales tend to have got their information from the merzo website (or second hand information, which originally came from the merzo website).

I did find quite a good thread discussing this very issue… unfortunately I can’t find it again.

2) Millions upon millions.
- OK. Yup. Firstly I would take that as being typical of 40k exaggeration, but whether it is or not, we have massive numbers of ships being lost. Not all military vessels of course. But yeah, the Imperium dwarfs the Federation on a massive scale, be it in number of planets, population or military resources.

3) My only gripe here is that if anyone really settled the strength of the hyper-beings or deities on both sides.
- From what we have seen (ie, there may be more, but they are not demonstrated anywhere) the Q seem to theoretically pretty much be able to do what they want. However, those Q that go too far or do things the Q continuum disapprove of can be brought into line by other Q (and have been on occasion), and they generally seem to stay out of “mortal” affairs (as far as we can see… doesn’t rule out invisible meddling, but various thing suggest that is limited).
The 40k Gods, on the other hand, are more limited. In the warp they are extremely powerful, pretty much shaping reality as they seem fit, but outside the warp (or warp/real space overlaps like the Eye of Terror) their power is extremely limited. They largely rely on corrupt mortals doing their bidding, or using demonic servants (who are weakened when they are disconnected from the warp, generally operating in places where the barrier between the real world and the warp is weak).
The Q, in my mind, have the advantage. However, the likelihood is that neither would really get involved.

4) I genuinely want to know if that is true about the tau conquering all of star trek easily.
- I would say balls. The Tau, in my mind, are pretty much the strength of the Federation. They are both small territories (when compared to the Imperium), largely limited by the speed of their vessels (I am guessing the Tau and Federation FTL speeds are comparable, but accept I have no basis for this aside from the stated fact of the Tau’s limited warp capabilities, and size of territory). In fact, in terms of major planets the Federation have many more (we know about the 100+ member worlds, while the Tau Septs number in the few dozen), which may suggest a greater size of territory (and so possibly even a greater speed). Military? Space ships I am still unwilling to commit to in relative power as I don’t see any way to accurately compare them, but ground forces are easier.
In this are the Tau apparently have a major advantage. They clearly have a proper ground force, with various elements to it. Star Trek… well, in the Federation all we know of infantry armed with basic phaser weapons, and there is a reference to an offscreen vehicles (I think it was called a “hopper”, but I am not sure) about which little is know aside from it being able to carry about a platoon of ground forces. The Original series had some weird mortar thing, but it is not seen since. The Klingons had some form of artillery… but it appeared to be fairly substandard. The Cardassians had “mechanised infantry” divisions, which suggests some sort of military transport (as well as much large ground combat formations than we have otherwise seen, unless the term is purely an administrative term). Various figures thrown about in Deep Space 9 suggest there is much more to all the factions ground forces than seen on screen. There are some very large (for Star Trek) ground force deployments mentioned, but no other information is given so we have no way to assess their abilities (and unlike in 40k space combat remains the primary determinant of who is the victor).
However, given the technology available to them, if they pulled themselves together the Federation could make a viable military ground force (as I have said, I accept that they apparently don’t as of the TV series). Given the much slower speed of the Tau, meaning they could not overwhelm the whole Federation (or any of the major powers really) before a sensible defence was established I would take it to be a much harder fight. The Tau (unlike the Imperium) cannot throw nearly unlimited manpower at the war. Based purely on ground forces I would say the Tau would not be able to conquer any of the major powers, as long as they were vaguely sensible about it.

…and the picture that aint merzo (that you say intentionally and incorrectly oversizes ships) is nothing more than the result of general consensus amongst bfg fans on a single forum. in the comments regarding the picture itself the creator of the picture admits as much and states (i quote) “I am completely unconcerned with their true size as I am a fan of there design and not their scale.” and “until GW spells it out in plain tables for all to see it really just doesn’t matter to me every time someone discovers some reference in a novel, gaming source-book, codex or antique and forgotten game system.”

as such citing the creator of that picture (which for some reason wont load for me, so i havent got first hand evidence of it *kicks web browser*) as a reliable source on canon description of ship sizes is, to be frank, a waste of time.

Very few people on this site seem to understand the power of the chaos gods. It is heavily implied that chaos would eventually merge the warp with our reality thus establishing what can only be called hell on earth (or galaxy). The only reason they don’t do that is twofold

1) The God-Emperor is holding reality shut in his comatose state.

2) The Chaos Gods simply don’t care. No really they couldn’t care less about the material world. They are far more preoccupied with their great game they play for dominance in the warp. The Chaos Gods occasionally direct their attention towards the materium and during these times entire sectors have been swept aside (a feat well beyond what the Q have demonstrated). In many ways the Chaos Gods are winning in 40K as the current neverending state of war in the galaxy feeds them all the emotions that they need. Them destroying the universe would be like a farmer burning his field.

Also the Chaos Gods are repeatedly stated to be beyond human comprehension. So much so that the minds of those who even see the least of their daemons are in danger of collapsing in on themselves in utter madness. The Q have been by contrast very much comprehensible by “mortals” and I don’t seem to remember Picard’s Mind collapsing into madness and him curling up into a little ball and crying every time he saw Q (which is what happens to the lucky ones who even have the merest glimpse of the true nature of the chaos gods)

Chaos Gods have this one in the bag as far as the Q

The C’tan would be far more interesting opponents for the Q.

the q could *snap* the wh40k universe out of existance.

Just sayin…

i will why 40k would win in a nut shell. first the emperor, he would make it so the federation would never make it whith in 500 light years of terra(if they some how magicly destroyed terra defence flee). chaos GODS, self exsplanitory. the necrons have far suppier technolohy to the borg. the imperial navy is made up of million!!! of CAPITAL SHIPS not fighters, CAPITAL ships. psykers are also superweapons, the best of them can blow up planets. superior speed for every 40k race, including the tau.the orks number in the googles. and last but sertinly not least, the whole Philosophy behind 40k is kill the enamy before they kill you, and star trek Philosophy is lets fly around space and spread peace.

sorry for all mis-spelling’s

Sorry for necro,but what are current calcs for 40k weapons.?

We all know that 40k would stomp ST(certanly without Q,but with Q I don’t know) and either admin won’t give factpile reward.

Are you andrew.C from the DakkaDakka who constantly claims that Borg would win against the Imperium.
I hate when people say that Borg can adapt to anything,that’s bullshit,enough force will destroy them and how are Borg going to adapt to the Imperium’s technology and assimilate it?

Now I know thanks for the info.
And can L-W tell us the current calcs for 40k ships(is nova cannon still 22 petatons or do 40k ships do triple digit teraton or single digit petatons).

Hellblade is back again this time he tries to disprove L-W posts in Borg Cube vs Star Destroyer.