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The Stormtrooper Fallacy: Endor
The Stormtrooper Fallacy: Endor

[Warning: The following is a cohesive prose intended to alter cultural bias and perception. Prepare to have you mind blown.]

A subtle thought that is in error may yet give rise to fruitful inquiry that can establish truths of great value.
- Isaac Asimov

The Stormtrooper, the elite shock troopers of the Galactic Empire, the right hand of the Emperor himself; trained in a gravity well that could crush the average human, these bad boys of the Empire are the toughest, meanest and most zealously loyal troops in the Imperial military. Numbering in the trillions and carrying the deadliest weapons into battle, the Stormtrooper Corps is the furled fist of the Empire, coiled and ready to sucker punch the Galaxy in her Ovaries.

Yet despite their unit-for-unit reliability, detractors continue to lambaste the performance of the overall Corps for one distinct reason known by all as the Teddy Bear incident™. The Battle of Endor proved to be a disaster for the Empire, which despite only a limited loss in material and manpower sparked an internal power struggle that came close to toppling the regime only until recently. Yet despite her continued perseverance, despite the countless successful engagements and occupations; the storming of Hoth, the capture of the Tantive IV and the occupation of a Galaxy over 120,000 light years in diameter, the Stormtrooper Corps will never live down the single blemish known colloquially by cynics and fans alike as “That bit with the Teddy Bears”. In fact the overall incident came to be known as the Stormtrooper effect, also called Stormtrooper syndrome, an expression used to describe the cliché phenomenon in works of fiction of minor cannon fodder characters being completely ineffective in combat against characters important to the plot (protagonists). This ineffectiveness is typically visible as an inability to successfully strike the target with ranged weapons, even at close range. Though obviously unrealistic, the effect is common in many stories and movies.
Ultimately this leads us to narrow down the phenomenon to only a few select properties:

A) Are Stormtroopers incompetent? No, they’ve repeatedly demonstrated their title as elite shock troopers.

B) Are Stormtroopers well equipped/trained? Of course, they receive the best possible training/equipment available to a military unit several trillion strong.

C) Are Stormtroopers human? Mostly, thus the mistakes that they make are dependent on naturally occurring flaws, despite their intensive training.

During the Endor battle, the most likely reason for their loss is simple overconfidence. Outside the bunker, they were felled by simple plain old Jane overconfidence, no tricks or techno babble, they were simply destroyed by their underestimation of enemy strength. Their light armament reveals deplorable overconfidence (The scout troopers had handguns, the Stormtroopers had carbines, and they didn’t bother carrying any of the heavy weapons we saw in previous films), so it’s really no surprise that they were so easily ambushed and overwhelmed when a third of their military forces were armed with nothing more than Pistols.

But before we leap to the conclusion that such foolishness is impossible in the Emperor’s “finest troops”, I would urge readers to study the example of the US Army’s elite Rangers, S.E.A.L., and Delta Force commandos in Somalia. Think back to 1993, the 1980’s was long gone, Jurassic Park had just been released and the Berlin wall saw some new and interesting renovations; the world was a better place for it. Yet during a disastrous mission in which two Blackhawk helicopters were shot down, U.S. Special Forces units demonstrated exactly the kind of overconfidence that bought disaster to Endor. They arrogantly performed what should have been a night operation in broad daylight, and they didn’t bother bringing any “unnecessary” dead weight, such as water canteens, bayonets, or night-sight equipment. Some of them even removed the armour plates from their flak jackets, so they would be more comfortable in the heat. Worse yet, mission security was horrendous; Somali staff at the U.S. Embassy easily discovered the time and place of the mission, and forwarded this information to Somali militia. The entire mission was a mess long before Delta Force could pick the Camel turds from their boots.

Unfortunately for those men lost in the fray of poor military planning, the problems didn’t even stop there; they had no heavy reinforcements or armour in case of serious resistance, and they only had one rescue team, which became a huge problem when not one, but two choppers went down. They couldn’t even co-ordinate their activities; the Rangers and Delta Force commandos continuously butted heads over tactics and chain of command, and an Orion spy plane wasn’t permitted to give direct instructions to the men on the ground even though it was the only platform with a clear view of what was happening. The litany of mistakes continued with the rescue convoys, which literally got lost and ambushed en route to the crash site because of unfamiliarity with the city streets and poor direction from the helicopters above. In the confusion, the Americans fired on anyone with a gun, and then anyone who was around someone with a gun, and eventually, at anything that moved, thus causing thousands of civilian casualties. A simple mission to kidnap two men turned into a chaotic twelve hour firefight, in which nearly a hundred American soldiers were killed or wounded. If this were a fictional war story, it would have been lambasted for being hopelessly unrealistic. People would say “no real soldiers would be so incompetent”. But these men were not incompetent; they were overconfident and inadequately prepared. They demonstrated to the world (At least, the part of the world that reads books instead of getting all their information from action movies) that even the best trained, best equipped soldiers can still can be stymied by poor preparation and the inherent difficulties of combat in difficult and unfamiliar terrain.

Likewise the forces at Endor were deployed in an effort to ambush Rebel forces attempting to seize the bunker facility. They did not anticipate that the native inhabitants (Who up until that point appeared to be Neolithic mammals of little intelligence) could possibly deploy traps ahead of time, they could not even fathom that Rebel Commandos would work in conjunction with said primitives and at no point would it have been practical to employ planetary suppression forces for a relatively simple ambush. Thus they were greatly outnumbered, underequipped, unprepared and were being ensnared by an enemy who knew the terrain intimately, utilized this knowledge to great effect and garnered assistance from heavily armed Commando units. In retrospect we should be even more impressed by the fact that the heavily outnumbered and surrounded Imperial forces managed to go on the offensive and rout the enemy until one of their support vehicles was hijacked by a famous Wookie veteran.

Callously, history only ever recalls our greatest failures, but should we chastise the entire Roman Military for their losses at Teutoburg? Should U.S. Special Forces be held accountable for time immemorial for the failure in Somalia? Likewise should the reputation of the Stormtrooper Corps, an organization composed of billions of men, be tarnished due to the overconfidence of a vastly small minority?

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  • Cpt Olimar
    July 1, 2009
    #1

    An interesting explanation, but considering how many people have watched the movies but have no read the books, the feats of the stormtroopers aren’t seen in the same light as their unbelievably failure at Endor. Imagine all you know about Stormtroopers are what you have seen in the movies. You have seen their failure to prevent Han Solo and Co. from freeing Leia, you have seen them miss other characters, and then you see these futuristic soldiers get ROFLSTOMPED by some teddy bears. At least the example you guys gave were humans losing to humans, not to chimpanzees with bananas.

    It’s not that I’m taking anything away from them. It’s just the inconsistency is just laughable that’s all. Regardless of their training and skill, the fact remains is that when you show a battle in Star Wars, storm troops are going to get killed…. lots of them. Rebels with guns, Leia who has no strong training will kill many of them. Whether it’s “canon” or not, the presentation of them in the movies is somewhat sub-par to elite troops.

    Regardless, it was a great article and a good read. Can’t wait for the next one :P

  • Baron Somebody
    July 1, 2009
    #2

    Nice response guys…another one that I haven’t become utterly bored with, thanks

  • x on
    July 1, 2009
    #3

    Im guessing this was done by L-W? Anyhow it was good.

  • L-W
    July 1, 2009
    #4

    1) “how many people have watched the movies but have no read the books, the feats of the stormtroopers aren’t seen in the same light as their unbelievably failure at Endor”

    Their marksmanship is generally very good and is sometimes superb. If you monitor their combat effectiveness in ANH, TESB, and ROTJ, you will note that they regularly score hits at ranges of more than 20 metres while shooting from the hip, which is as much as anyone can reasonably expect. One stormtrooper missed Han Solo’s head by less than an inch in the ANH detention centre battle, and stormtroopers hit Leia and R2D2 with snap-shots from all the way across the clearing in ROTJ. They also inflicted heavy casualties on the Ewoks in ROTJ despite the Ewoks’ advantages of surprise, terrain familiarity, large numbers of traps, small size, and camouflage colouration.

    In fact, they were clearly and decisively winning the battle despite being caught unawares without any heavy weapons or preparation (there is a strong possibility that their helmet threat identification systems didn’t even pick up on the Ewoks at all). The film shied away from showing most of the Ewok casualties for obvious reasons (much as early WW2 propaganda footage glossed over the magnitude of D-Day casualties), but the novelization made it quite clear that after the complacent troops were ambushed, they quickly regained their composure and began to inflict heavy casualties, despite the forested terrain (which is naturally hostile to high-tech warfare) and their poorly chosen white suits (camouflage suits are also available, but they didn’t use them).

    The herding actions of the Death Star and Bespin “escapes” were a greater challenge in some ways; they were asked to shoot close enough to the Rebels to rattle them without actually killing them, and they knew the Rebels would be shooting to kill. The fact that they were able to do this job without panic, and without reservation is a good indication of the level of discipline in their ranks. Their actions support the SWE’s claim about their dedication and training; they always moved with absolute poise even when asked to let armed intruders escape even if it costs them their own lives (eg. the Death Star escape, or the Bespin escape), or when asked to walk into the almost certain death of a defended chokepoint (eg. breaching the Tantive IV’s hull or entering the Death Star detention centre in ANH).

    2) “You have seen their failure to prevent Han Solo and Co. from freeing Leia,”

    You mean the scene in which the Stormtroopers were specifically ordered to let Leia go, so they could use the tracking device planted on the Millennium Falcon to locate the rebel base on Yavin IV? Wouldn’t it be somewhat redundant to capture them alive when the whole purpose of the operation was to feign their escape?

    Vader knew that Han was on board the Death Star, he knew that Obi-Wan would deactivate the tractor beam and that they would attempt a rescue of Leia. It doesn’t take a genius to determine that the Princess would head to the nearest Rebel outpost, and that a tracking beacon could be used to locate them.

    2) “Futuristic soldiers get ROFLSTOMPED by some teddy bears. At least the example you guys gave were humans losing to humans, not to chimpanzees with bananas.”

    Read the article again. The Imperials were heavily outnumbered and under-equipped by not just a relatively primitive enclave, but by Rebel Special forces troops who were working in conjunction (They even had Tanks and mobile artillery on the planet) with the Ewoks, who suffered heavy casualties just to buy time for the Rebel forces, who were at that point still losing even after successfully ambushing the overwhelmed Imperial Police force.

    Also, point out to me the number of Chimps who have constructed complex non-handheld mechanical projectile devices, or understand the construction of composite material frames that manipulate a developed understanding of aeronautics and thermal and mechanical conductivity.

    Ewoks are pretty much on par with 500 BC western civilization, except individually and Ewok is far stronger than any human.

  • Thepocalypse
    July 1, 2009
    #5

    I find the movies gain a very enjoyable comedic side if you just accept the stormtroopers as incompetent. It’s like they’re being chased by an army of stooges.
    BTW, is my new gravatar working?

  • Darth Destro
    July 1, 2009
    #6

    Actually, Leia had extensive training in her time in the rebellion.

    Stormtroopers are fantastic shots. The best of the best. They only display poor accuracy when they are ordered to lure the heroes. On the Death Star, they wanted them to escape so they could learn the location of the rebel base.

    And don’t underestimate the ewoks. Do you know how hard it is to shoot a ball of brown fur who’s running extremely fast and blends in perfectly with the enviroment?. There also alot stronger than humans. Oh, and there was a million of them!

  • Jwlynas
    July 1, 2009
    #7

    The closest compariosn to shooting an Ewok I think can be reasonably found is in timesplitters 2.

    Go Multiplayer and have someone shoot the chimpanzee. Tell them to hold the “crouch” button then try to hit them on the move.

    A semi-competant player will run circles around you, easily killing you with even the smallest weapons. Eventually.

    Now try playing against a huge number of them, when they have decent weapons (used here to represent traps) and are on fire (used here… mostly because flaming crouching monkeys with two chainguns are awesome)

    Having said that, while above article is excellently written and does a great job of explaining things, I think its likely that the problem is the whole “army of nameless antagonists verse named protagonist” syndrome.

    The same reason power rangers beat putty troopers, why Dynasty Warriors games are fun, and why Master chief has as high a following as he does. Tales are no fun if the hero gets killed four minutes into the book while only being outnumbers two to one.

  • Matapiojo
    July 1, 2009
    #8

    “The same reason power rangers beat putty troopers, why Dynasty Warriors games are fun, and why Master chief has as high a following as he does. Tales are no fun if the hero gets killed four minutes into the book while only being outnumbers two to one.”

    This argument also explains how the prequels’ Clone Troopers display a far greater level of skill in both the films and the cartoon. They are suddenly thrown into the protagonist’s chair.

    Honestly. Who doesn’t like Rex and Cody from the Clone Wars cartoon?

    These two badasses display the strongest elements of the Fett bloodline. Skill, resourcefullness, tactics, and leadership are amongst the traits you’ll find in these two as well as the men they lead. Those same elements is what we will find in Imperial Stormtroopers.

  • Skrunks
    July 1, 2009
    #9

    But you have to admit, one of the crowing jewels of any Star Wars game is the bloody massacre of thousands of these ‘Elite Troops’….

    Even if you play as someone with comparably inferior training.

  • Megaraptor18
    July 1, 2009
    #10

    About time someone stands up for the Stormtroopers on Endor. They got were defeated because they got cocky.

  • Albert Wikowonkavitz
    July 1, 2009
    #11

    For some reason, I have this theory about the Empire not actually being evil. It would take a bit of explaining…I guess one thing that I could say is “what government would name their vessels things like ‘Death Star’ and ‘Star Destroyer?” And how can you tell who’s good and who’s evil? By what color their lightsaber is, of course! :S Of course, this is coming from a lamen who doesn’t analyze all the EU and such, so I dunno. The general perception of the Storm Troopers as incompotent drones is pretty much because they just watch the movie, not memerizing every detail. And it’s 90% likely the average person doesn’t read the EU books or take part in any of the other EU stuff… I guess I admit that I am one of those people, though I have played a little KOTOR.

  • L-W
    July 1, 2009
    #12

    “About time someone stands up for the Stormtroopers on Endor. They got were defeated because they got cocky.”

    It’s a simple logic that most people simply overlook for the sake of amusement. Overwhelmed, under equipped and unprepared for anything more than a simple police arrest. Never mind taking on a few thousand natives armed with a fairly complex array of weapons (They seem a bit too advanced to be classed as Teddy Bears) AND two of the best Special Forces groups in the Alliance who came prepared with artillery and tanks.

  • Megaraptor18
    July 2, 2009
    #13

    @ myself
    They “got were” defeated. Sorry for the piss poor grammer.

    @ L-W
    How did the Alliance get tanks and artillery on Endor. I thought they only send in a commando team to knock out the shield generator. (Granted I only seen the movie I haven’t read the book.)

  • L-W
    July 2, 2009
    #14

    The Rebellion had depots and caches hidden all over the galaxy for years, which their Special Forces units managed to uncover on Endor (It was a small cave that not even the Ewoks knew of) just as the battle started to heat up.

  • Diana
    July 2, 2009
    #15

    Even though they were sources, TV series & books that could depict the Storm Trooper as the elite force of the GE, still the movies tells us that they are only an expendable backbone army….

    To make it simple, Ep. 6 is budgeted through millions of dollars….henceforth, what we see in the Ep. 6 is canonical without question….Will they make a non-canonical episode which is worth a million dollar?

    The books & TV series are just a side show to make the Imperial Stormtrooper colorful & impressive but nevertheless they are knocked out by the Eewoks with a single stone!

  • Diana
    July 2, 2009
    #16

    Sorry for the 2x post but if i may add…..

    A Destroyer Droid(Droideka) can kill an Imperial Stormtrooper face-to-face with an ease! Think about that, in SW Destroyer Droids are more cheaper to produce yet more powerful and have deflective shields!

  • L-W
    July 2, 2009
    #17

    Why do I get the feeling that no one has read the article?

    “To make it simple, Ep. 6 is budgeted through millions of dollars….henceforth, what we see in the Ep. 6 is canonical without question….Will they make a non-canonical episode which is worth a million dollar?”

    The budget of a project is not tantamount to its value as a canon source. For example, Spiderman comics only cost a few cents each to print (You could print 400 million issues with the budget of the Spiderman film); does that mean the film is a higher canon than the original source material?

    Likewise, according to that logic, Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back is a higher canon due to a greater budget than its sequel (By $500,000), in which case we can state that Stormtroopers perform their tasks quite admirably and to a high degree of effectiveness. If you want to push it further, Attack of the Clones had the highest budget of any Star Wars movie ever made (More than twice the original trilogy combined), and it demonstrated how competent an army the Clone forces are.

    “he books & TV series are just a side show to make the Imperial Stormtrooper colorful & impressive but nevertheless they are knocked out by the Eewoks with a single stone!”

    Here’s an experiment. Wear the thickest and densest suit of armour you can find (It can be either a Football helmet or that of a Knight), train a Chimp to throw objects on command, and equip said Chimp with a cluster of boulders more than twice the weight of a bowling ball (Around 30lb). If you somehow survive the impact of a dense object being thrown by such a strong animal at a height of eight feet without either suffering paralysis, a concussion or even mild brain damage, I’ll retract my point entirely.

    “A Destroyer Droid(Droideka) can kill an Imperial Stormtrooper face-to-face with an ease! Think about that, in SW Destroyer Droids are more cheaper to produce yet more powerful and have deflective shields!”

    1) Droiedka are not cheap, in fact they were considered such an expense that the Trade Federation abandoned their specialist production facilities months before the Republic arrived anywhere near their systems.

    2) Only by any measure were the B1 and 2 Battle Droids considered cheap, and Clone Troopers were destroying them en masse.

    3) Droideka are only ever useful in tight corridors or choke points where they can lay down a suppressive fire with little retaliation; as the Battle of Geonosis proved, the more resourceful Clone Troopers could quite easily flank them and target their weaker rear shields. Either that, or they could climb up a set of stairs and watch in amusement as the Droideka attempted to follow them.

  • Jwlynas
    July 2, 2009
    #18

    I will say this in the Stormtroopers defense, if sources are to be believed, Chaos have suffered much the same level of loss in the latest Space Marine Codex. Night Lords were kicked off a planet by a bunch of savage, relatively underteched humans led by Calgar himself, through the cunning use of tactics.

    Arguably more embarrasing to our boys in white losing to ewoks.

  • Matapiojo
    July 2, 2009
    #19

    “Arguably more embarrasing to our boys in white losing to ewoks.”

    Yes it is. With their incredible stealth tactics, the Night Lords should have dominated that conflict with incredible ease even if Calgar was involved. This Legion is adept at butchering their own kind (Space Marines) long before they can react to the attack.

    They are the S.E.A.L. of the Chaos forces.

    Pure shame.

  • Megaraptor18
    July 2, 2009
    #20

    @ L-W
    “The Rebellion had depots and caches hidden all over the galaxy for years, which their Special Forces units managed to uncover on Endor (It was a small cave that not even the Ewoks knew of) just as the battle started to heat up.”

    Thank you for answering my question

  • PaPPa JUDAS
    July 3, 2009
    #21

    Do not underestimate the Muppet side of the Force

  • Diana
    July 5, 2009
    #22

    “as the Battle of Geonosis proved, the more resourceful Clone Troopers could quite easily flank them and target their weaker rear shields. Either that, or they could climb up a set of stairs and watch in amusement as the Droideka attempted to follow them.”

    this is because Clone Troopers of Ep. 2 & 3 are the Clones of the legendary Janggo Fett thats why the abilities of the Clone Troopers are superior, but in the case of Ep. 4, 5 & 6 Clones are no longer used but regular human soldiers replaced the Clones thus giving the rise to the Imperial Storm Trooper

  • L-W
    July 5, 2009
    #23

    Which still doesn’t deal with the claims of the purported superiority of an expensive support weapons platform not suited for open ground combat.

  • Skrunks
    July 5, 2009
    #24

    “this is because Clone Troopers of Ep. 2 & 3 are the Clones of the legendary Janggo Fett thats why the abilities of the Clone Troopers are superior, but in the case of Ep. 4, 5 & 6 Clones are no longer used but regular human soldiers replaced the Clones thus giving the rise to the Imperial Storm Trooper”

    Not true. A large percentage of the Stormtroopers are clone troopers, however they began recruiting able bodied men and women into the Stormtrooper Corps. to augment their numbers, as well as using genetic templates other then the Jango clones.

  • Jwlynas
    July 5, 2009
    #25

    “Do not underestimate the Muppet side of the Force”

    Fantastic… Ewoks are just the long forgotten Ancestors of Fozzy Bear now?

    They did say “Wokka Wokka” a heck of a lot. That explains…nothing actually, buts its a funny image.

  • Kenny C.
    July 7, 2009
    #26

    While this is a good article I have one issue to compare Endor to Black Hawk Down is a little off

    In Black Hawk Down, both sides had guns (commonly seem as the great equalizer) and yet our boys still kicked ass.

    On Endor, the StormTroop had blasters and machines vs. rock based weaponry.

    Just saying….

  • L-W
    July 7, 2009
    #27

    1) “In Black Hawk Down, both sides had guns (commonly seem as the great equalizer) and yet our boys still kicked ass.”

    This centric thought process is what we originally intended to debunk in this article, something that clearly did not get through to a lot of people.

    Read it again, “your” boys didn’t kick ass. Not only did they fail their original mission objectives, but they blew the entire Somali operation entirely. The battle of Mogadishu (not referred to as Black Hawk Down in anyway) was a strategic success for the Somali National Alliance, one that forced both US and UN forces out of the region over the course of two years. The political shift caused by the failure of the mission resulted in the mass murder of an estimated 1,070,000 ethnic Tutsis and moderate Hutus just one year later, one of the bloodiest genocides seen in the history of the continent. Not what you define as a success. What was supposed to be a simple kidnapping (which could have been accomplished by any Delta unit at night) turned into an extended twelve hour firefight that forced the US to sink a lot of her regional forces into the engagement, including the material loss of two Black Hawk choppers.

    The only thing the beleaguered forces managed on the ground was to cause thousands of civilian deaths (mostly bystanders) as they attempted several failed tactical retreats that culminated in a twelve hour firefight that left thousands of civilians dead or crippled, and needlessly cost the lives of eighteen servicemen.

    Finally, if by “kick ass” you mean “cause a lopsided amount of casualties favoring the US”, then your conception of war is both highly inaccurate and somewhat sickening. By that logic the Battle of the Coral Sea resulted in the Japanese kicking ass, as the Japanese lost fewer ships (the Allies lost one fleet carrier, one destroyer and one oil tanker while the Japanese lost one light carrier and one destroyer); regardless of whether they failed their mission objectives.

    2) “On Endor, the StormTroop had blasters and machines vs. rock based weaponry.”

    I guess we’ve all conveniently forgotten the fact that the Stomrtroopers were slaughtering the Ewoks despite being ambushed, and it was only until the Alliance Special Forces units (there goes that “great equalizer” argument) joined the fight with a commandeered AT-ST that the Stormtroopers were forced to retreat. Heck, if you go by full canon, it took Tanks and Artillery just to dislodge them after hours of fighting.

    Some people have such short term memories that it’s frightening.

  • Matapiojo
    July 7, 2009
    #28

    “On Endor, the StormTroop had blasters and machines vs. rock based weaponry.”

    If memory serves, and it does, there are Rebels involved in this chaos as well.

    Guns or no, If you have a highly trained soldier shooting down numerous incomming assailants, it is very unlikely that he will notice that single machete being swung at the back of his head. That is the point we are trying to make with this article.

  • Diana
    July 7, 2009
    #29

    “Guns or no, If you have a highly trained soldier shooting down numerous incomming assailants, it is very unlikely that he will notice that single machete being swung at the back of his head. That is the point we are trying to make with this article.”

    Even the strongest defensive line has a weakness

  • L-W
    July 7, 2009
    #30

    Other factors in the battle of Endor that some individuals insist on ignoring:

    1) Ewoks had vastly superior numbers.
    2) Ewoks, individually, had superior strength.
    3) Ewoks had superior knowledge of the terrain (homefield advantage so to speak).
    4) Ewoks smaller size and camo coloring made them harder targets to hit.
    5) Stormtroopers were handicapped by orders from Vader to “bring [Luke's] companions to me”. When Lord Vader gives an order, you follow it to the letter.
    6) Ewoks used guerrilla tactics to isolate small groups of stormtroopers where the STs could be more easily overwhelmed.
    7) The “entire legion of my best troops” thought the attack on the “back door” was a diversion and were waiting at the main entrance.
    8a) Those clearly were not the Empire’s “best troops” as they didn’t even use camo armor or the AT-AT stationed at the shield array.
    8b) The troopers were prepared for a small rebel incursion which they successfully defeated initially, not hordes of bears attacking.

  • Diana
    July 9, 2009
    #31

    Well supposedly the Imperial Storm Troopers have the futuristic optic goggles to spot even the slightest move of a muscle right? They could even set-up sentry guns(Tower Defense mode) if they wanted too…..

    There’s one scene in the battle of Endor were Han Solo accompanied by a bunch of bear-dolls(Ewoks) rounded up a platoon of Storm Troopers outside the bunker but then the Storm Trooper didn’t sprayed them to their deaths knowing that only one of the enemy has a blaster(Han Solo), Idiocy to the end!

  • L-W
    July 9, 2009
    #32

    “Well supposedly the Imperial Storm Troopers have the futuristic optic goggles to spot even the slightest move of a muscle right?”

    They have threat indicators designed to monitor actively known enemies or artifacts, if it’s not registered then the indicator won’t alert them.

    “They could even set-up sentry guns(Tower Defense mode) if they wanted too…..”

    Which would make sense if they were holding a fortified position in preparation for a massed attack, which they weren’t. They were clearly sent there to arrest a handful of Rebels; not ambush an armored column, garrison a heavily fortified position or suppress a local population, they were there to arrest a few prisoners and prepare them for transit to the Death Star.

    Question. How many times have you seen the Military bring in tanks, gunships and artillery when committing a full scale arrest in Iraq or Afghanistan? They don’t, they usually just send in a few dozen lightly armed Marines under the cover of darkness, sometimes they usually only send in plain clothed operatives using civilian vehicles. Anything more is either usually a waste or a threat to mission security, as the battle of Mogadishu proved.

    “There’s one scene in the battle of Endor were Han Solo accompanied by a bunch of bear-dolls(Ewoks) rounded up a platoon of Storm Troopers outside the bunker but then the Storm Trooper didn’t sprayed them to their deaths knowing that only one of the enemy has a blaster(Han Solo), Idiocy to the end!”

    This was after their AT-ST had been hijacked and after the Rebels had made their presence known en masse, at that point it had become clear to the Troopers that not only were there special operatives in the forests surrounding them, but their vehicular support had been commandeered.

    The stupid thing to do would be to die in vain at the bunker, especially when the Empire can send reinforcements and rescue you later.

  • PaPPa JUDAS
    July 9, 2009
    #33

    Meh Empire – Rebels It’s all about who has the most Muppets

  • Diana
    July 10, 2009
    #34

    “Which would make sense if they were holding a fortified position in preparation for a massed attack, which they weren’t. They were clearly sent there to arrest a handful of Rebels; not ambush an armored column, garrison a heavily fortified position or suppress a local population, they were there to arrest a few prisoners and prepare them for transit to the Death Star.”

    So you mean they set up shop in Endor just to lure Skywalker?

  • L-W
    July 10, 2009
    #35

    The main bunker itself was heavily armed and guarded by armour, artillery and several platoons of heavily armed Troopers ordered to repel any and every attack. The Emperor knew the Rebels wouldn’t dare seize the main shield array, so they opted to use the backdoor (the smaller bunker seen in the film) as a handy diversion. If the Rebels weren’t bold in their attempts to disarm the Death Star, they couldn’t be trapped and killed by Imperial forces, thus Palpatine would have no leverage to use against Luke and his eventual fall to the dark side.

    “The alliance… will die. As will your friends. Good, I can feel your anger. I am defenseless. Take your weapon. Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!”

    By presenting the Rebels with a lightly guarded yet valuable target, they could draw them in and set the trap with an arrest. Simple plan, unfortunately it suffered three unforeseeable setbacks:

    A) The Ewoks who were thought to be a barely sapient species, actually turned out to be dangerously intelligent (point to me the number of Bears who know how to build hang gliders); and worked in conjunction with the Rebels.

    B) Alliance Special Forces were pouring onto the sanctuary moon via stolen shuttles, impeding the efforts of the police force.

    C) Anakin Skywalker, despite having been dead for decades, arose from within Vader and cast his master aside. With the Emperor gone, the fleet went into dissaray, which allowed the Millennium Falcon to slip through their defences and destroy the power core.

  • alex
    July 14, 2009
    #36

    New here just stumbled upon the convo.. I also read somwhere that Palpaltine was a bit of a humanist and hated other life forms . When he secured power he made it hard for other sentient life in the galaxy, thats why most of the military are human.

    but anyway with that in mind he prob thought the ewoks as nothing more than teddy bearss.

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