Wait…so this is with the infinity gauntlets for Thanos? Eh, I go for the purple ex-herald of Galactus….

- pf

“Eh, I go for the purple ex-herald of Galactus….”

Wait, Thanos was a Herald? When’d that happen?

do not even get me started on thanosied

Tough fight. With the Chaos Emeralds, which Sonic must have to become Super Sonic, he has control over time and space. It is also known that he can choose when he exists and at how many points in time he exists at simultatiously. Sonic could litterally watch the begining and end of the world at the same time if he chooses to. HIs basic speed in Super form is Lightspeed with instantanious acceleration, and he can improve it by manipulating time up to a total time stop. He isn’t a push over.

If Sonic is allowed the Super Emeralds and turns into Hyper Sonic then he is even faster and can unleash a flicker of Chaos energy that causes a lot of damage to anything near him.

Effectively or actually omnipotent? There is a big differance as effectively wouldn’t be actually, thus effectively would only be nigh omnipotent, which really Super Sonic already is.

What are the limitations of the gems in the gauntlet?

@OriginalA well depends on the wearer. Thanos has been the most effective user ever. It has been pointed out that it took the living embodyment of god to take him.

Is thanos allowed the heart of the universe? because with that he took down the entire marvel reality

He dedeated all the heroes? Damn, that’s almost as bad as if he had defeated them. Anyway, It’s kinda hard to tell just what Sonic can do as you have the comic that expanded upon it, but at the same time, I’m not sure if it’s canon or not. If not then Sonic be screwed to Hell and back.

Well, the Mind Gem is all it takes. Backed by the Power Gem, he could enter every mind in the universe simoultaneously. Breaking Sonics mind in half seems easy, if Thanos isn’t destroyed earlier.

But I really don’t know the exact power output of the Power Gem apart from the wording in here. It might be a lot, and it might be infinite. I’ll wait for one who actually read this to answer.

It is entirely possible that Sonic might be able to make himself more invincible to attacks by transending most of time. Mind you he is usually invulnerable in Super Sonic form. Only against two things was he ever hurt in this form: and interdimensional rift that was tearing apart two universes, and from an omnichronological reality eater. Now in the case of Solaris, the omnitime reality eater, Sonic was existing at multiple points in time concurently. If he were to do the same thing against someone who isn’t existing at all points in time concurently then it is possible that Sonic could survive any attack because at some pont in time he wouldn’t be under attack and thus unhurt.

So, can Thanos transcent time and become omnichronological, or is his time travel limited to a linear existance?

Wait, supersonic was hurt?!
I can remember being delayed/knocked back, but actually taking damage?
When was this?

How Wikipedia defines the Time Gems power:

“Allows the user total control over the past, present and future. Allows time travel, can age and deage beings and also be used as a weapon by trapping enemies or entire worlds in unending loops of time.”

I’ll get around to the Marvel wiki definition when I have the time

http://marvel.com/universe/Thanos
He no longer has these powers.
But since the match says he does Thanos wins.

However, Thanos can tank galaxy buster attacks and keep on going. So the key is sonic’s time limit. If Thanos can survive the 50 second duration of sonic’s super mode, then finishing him off would be effortless.

“But it isn’t 50 seconds. It is only 50 seconds to Sonic. To Thanos it is 1/3 of all of time multiplied by 50.”

Damn, that’s more than kinda crazy.

It seems to me that due to sonic’s OP time warp powers he wins. The only way i can see Thanos taking this is if sonic hurts himself while trying to attack Thanos.

Well, THAT’S hard. I have a thing to say though, and I don’t know the details, so take this with a grain of salt.

The Time Gem allows “total control of the past, present and future”. By amplifying the effect as much as possible, Thanos might be able to render the power nullified. If Sonic needs to excert his power on staying in all those points in time while another being who also controls time tries to keep him from it, it will get tougher. And if he is locked to our world for 1 second, that’s really all it takes to take his soul, wish away the Chaos Emerald effect, mindblow him or somesuch. Or catch him in a timeloop. Until Sonic understands what is going on, he exists at 1/3 of all points in an amount of time equal to infinity. But if he with his own time controlling power can break it, he will for a very short time be in only one point, allowing Thanos to do his thing.

That, or smite sonic while he is in the time loop. In there Thanos controls time perfectly, allowing him to strike at all of it at once, rendering sonic multichronological powers useless as Thanos may well hit all the places at once anyway.

This was pure specualtion with very little basis, and I’m not even sure if the effect is theoretically possible, just thought it sounded kinda like a counter.

Thanos is fighting someone who has equal control over time, Asger. Except Sonic is proven to be a nonlinear being, so that means he can be in multiple places at the same time doing differant stuff. Like hitting Thanos from 50 million years from the future and the past and every point in between.

“Thanos would be getting hit for around 300 billion years before Sonic goes back to normal. Ow…”

And Sonic would be attacking at the speed of light too meaning that it would be an insain amount of hits per second, and time would be stopped so his speed would be close to around infinite, and each hit has infinite energy behind them. We are talking about concepts of unquantifiables stacked on top of other concepts of unquantifiables over (in your scenario) an arbitrary quantified amount of time that could be just as unquantifiable as the others. It’s infinites on infinites that Thanos is going to be hit by for a long long time.

“were talking comic sonic right because this whole 1/3 of time thing would have been helpful killing the bioweapon from adventure 2 and metal overlord from heroes and well every endgame boss in sonic”

Nope, this is not comic Sonic. This is Sega’s Sonic. This is what he did against Solaris, the omnichronological, reality eating, super dimensional being. Sonic killed it by looping time that caused a future that now-never-was [by breaking the loop this future changed] that sent a team member back in time [to sonic's day] which then allowed Sonic, Shadow, and Silver [the future member] to each become Super form and occupy all of time and then they pummeled Solaris into submission until Solaris couldn’t control time over the hedgehogs. Sonic then traveled back in time [to the start of the loop] and blew out the flame that would be Solaris before it ever attained omnichronological status. Oh and Sonic died somewhere in there too. He got better because someone wished on the Chaos Emeralds for it to happen.

Wish winning isn’t beyond the Chaos Emeralds’s abilities either.

“Complete control over past present and future does mean that Thanos can always bring Sonic back to Thanos’ current time.”

Unless Sonic chooses to be there and not there. He too has total control over time and space. The exception is that Sonic is shown to do more with it. Can Thanos pull objects from all points in time concurrently? If he cannot do even 1/3rd of that then Sonic is going to beat on him harshly. Can he even touch things outside of local time without entering a new local time? Cause Sonic can, which means that Sonic doesn’t even have to share the same present time in order to hit Thanos.

I wouldn’t know. I never read Infinity Guantlet. From what I can gather about the individual gems, Thanos Power Gem, should be capable of taking all Super Sonics power away. I realize that Sonic has some heavy speed advantage, but Thanos even in his regular form, has energy shields that even Galactus had difficulty cracking.

Which Sonic is considered canon? I mean, I though Sega chucked the old 06 game out the window when they started working on Unleashed.

@Asger:
06 happened. The thing is though is because 06 happened it also undoes itself. The whole game is a time loop that when finished never occurs. That doesn’t make it non-canon. That would be like saying half of the Zelda timeline isn’t canon because the exact same situation occured there as well. 06 happened, but most of those events erased themselves from history because Sonic changed the timeline.

@AHEM:
Sonic could wish it to work. They allowed him to be raised from the dead, so why couldn’t they work to keep someone dead? At the very least Sonic might be able to remove the gauntlet and seal it off in another dimension and alternate time so that Thanos could never again pose a threat to him.

Assuming Sonic could get the gauntlet away, can Thanos leave a universe under his own power?

Has Sonic ever used the Emeralds in such a manner? I really hope this doesn’t turn into another ‘Goku has the Dragon Balls scenarion’.

And how is Sonic supposed to know about the gauntlet? For all he knows it could just be fancy jewlery.

“can Thanos leave a universe under his own power?”

According to wikipedia, yes:

“courtesy of advanced technology is capable of force field projection; time travel, movement through alternate universes and teleportation over interstellar distances. “

Alright alright, time to put a stop to this. Super Sonic is crazy powerful, but seriously, it took Super Sonic, Super Silver and Super Shadow to defeat Solaris in the mentioned 06 game, Super Sonic alone wasn’t powerful enough. Furthermore, Super Sonic had a tought time defeating Metal Overlord, one of the aforementioned ‘chronolinear beings’.

Perhaps this is a case of Sonic not knowing what power he actually wields with the chaos emeralds? *shrugs*

Regardless, even the maximum powers listed by Original A do not compare to the Infinity Gauntlet. You guys are seriously underestimating this thing. It does not grant neigh-omnipotence or relative omnipotence, it grants actual ominpotence. The 6 gems can be used in tandem, for example, with the Power, Time and Soul Gems, a single swipe of Thanos’ hand, and every soul of every being that ever existed, did exist or ever will exist is all in his grasp. Sonic can exist in 1/3 of every timeline? It doesn’t matter if sonic existed in a new form in every single second of all reality. All umpteen bagillion Sonics are all Thanos’ with one swipe of his hand. Or with the Time, Power and Mind gems, he could mind rape every sentiend being that ever existed, ever exists, or ever will exist. The reality gem allows him to actually muck around with the physical laws of the universe. Sonic can move at light speed? Well why not just change the cosmological constants of the entire universe inhibiting movement altogether. Sonic can fire omni-directional, omni-chronological blasts? With the Time, Power and Reality gems, he can alter every law of reality for all of time and manipulate all the power that every did or will exist. Every piece of energy that Sonic conjures up is Thanos’ to use. In fact, what’s to stop Thanos from reaching out to every time simultaneously and ripping the Chaos Emeralds from every incarnation of Sonic and absorbing them into himself? With the Soul, Mind, Power and Time gems, Thanos can access the minds and souls and total energy of every being in every time, past present and future all simultaneously. With Reality, he can change the laws of the universe. With all 6 gems, it is completly within Thanos’ power to complete rewrite the universe as he sees fit. He can read Sonics mind, and understand the power of the emeralds. He can reorganize history so that life never existed. He could colapse the entire universe into one black hole, but make himself exempt from the rules of gravity. He can direct the full power of the Big Bang into a psionic bolt striking the minds of every being ever. He is omnipotent. Sonic can not defeat Thanos with the Infinity Gaunlet.

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/sonic-the-hedgehog-vs-thanos/528659/

This exact fight is on comicvine. Lol

If the infinity gauntlet grants actual omnipotents then why is Thanos listed as being not as powerful as either the Living Tribunal or The One Above All when he holds it? Actual Omnipotents would be above everything, yet Thanos with the IG isn’t at the very top, so how is possible for something to be more than it?

Also Sonic couldn’t beat Solaris alone because Solaris was omnichronological. If Solaris wasn’t killed at all points in time concurently then one of the surviving points of Solaris would continue to be omnichronological and thus exist even at the points where Sonic beat it. Sonic isn’t omnichronological so he needed help so that all points in time could be covered. With Shadow and Silver, the hedgehogs covered all points in time concurrently and simultaniously killed Solaris.

If Thanos is incapable of existing in two points in time concurrently then Sonic can do to Thanos what Solaris would have done to Sonic had he not had his team.

Sonic has not used the Emeralds as a wish item, but he is aware that they are capable of such a feat.

And Asger, you actually just proved that Thanos cannot move to another universe without help. The quote you posted “thanks to advanced technology”… That is not his own power. That’s tech. That can be taken away.

And Skrunks realise that Sonic can screw with reality too. Total control over time and space. Sonic has it too. And when he fought the Metal Overlord he didn’t know he could do this nonlinear existence, or he just chose not to do it like in Unleashed. Sonic has always held himself back. All the back in Sonic the Hedgehog for the Genesis Sonic held himself back so that Eggman could get away. Fighting bad guys, saving the world, destorying cosmic horrors that consume reality, this is what Sonic does for fun and it isn’t any fun for him if he just curbstomps them the picosecond they become a threat. He asseses them and reacts accordingly. Dark Gaia wasn’t a threat to all of reality and time and space so he didn’t need to do to it what he did to Solaris. Heck, in Sonic Rivals 2 he beat an alternate diminsion’s version of Chaos the Destroyer, and he did it without Super form because he didn’t need it. He even ends most boss battles in a lot of games with saying that he will play with them again some other time. He holds back for a lot of the end bosses for the sake of having fun with them.

The Infinity Gaunlet only has power over the universe that it is native too. In effect, it would actually not work on Sonic at all if it wasn’t for the site rules stating ‘everything works as if it would in their native universe’. The Living Tribunal is beyond the total combined power of all time, space and energy of any one universe. LT can close entire universes and remove them from existence. The One Above All is… well, Above All. He could collapse and reconstruct every reality a quadrillion times in a femtosecond and no one would know the difference.

“Thanos isn’t being hit by infinite power at infinite speed for hundreds of billions of years. He is being hit by infinite power at infinite speed over infinite time in 1/3rd of the every possible outcome!”

No limits fallacy much? Source pwease.

Still, let’s assume what you’re saying is correct. There is still nothing stopping Thanos from simply mindcontrolling Sonic and forcing him to give him the Emeralds, and this is even more plausible by your saying Sonic usually doesn’t go all out.

“Oh and Chaos Emeralds have control over souls too as seen in 06 when they bring Sonic’s soul back into his body and raise him from the dead. So there is one less advantage Thanos has over Sonic again.”

You serious? Saying that “One time they used a gem to put a soul back in a body” most certainly DOES NOT mean that it’s comparable to “Having total control of every soul that exists, ever will exist and ever did exist”. That would be like saying Master Chief used a laser once so he can blow up planets because the Death Star uses a laser.

On top of that, you’ve stated that Sonic can move between time and space, warp reality, do this that and the other. But Thanos can rewrind time, make it flow backwards. Say Sonic blasts Thanos with umpteenbagillion attacks that he can’t stop with the Power Gem (like I said, giving Thanos complete control over all energy), he could just rewind time causing Sonic to have never used the attack in the first place, and continue doing that over and over. Even if Sonic can exist at multiple points, he could still rewind time causing Sonic to move back. Remember, Sonic still has to absorb the Chaos Emeralds, meaning Thanos could rewind all of time back to the point where he didn’t have the Emeralds.

“The Living Tribunal is beyond the total combined power of all time, space and energy of any one universe.”

It’s things like these that make me never want to read comic books. Are the writers really so uncreative that they just make people this overpowered? There’s a reason Shakespeare villains don’t blow up planets.

And isn’t it ironic that Sonic is most overpowered in the single worst sonic game ever made (arguably). Bad writing and lack of ideas tends to lead to arbitrary increases in power.

Oh well, I bet half of the people here would disagree with me but *shrug*

It isn’t a no limits fallacy.
When time is stopped and Sonic moves at Lightspeed his total speed would be at inifinate within Local Time. No matter how far he traveled it would always take him exactly 0 time to get there. The Chaos Emeralds have within them infinate and unlimited energy and Sonic can access this full amount when he is in Super form. That means that each hit will have infinite energy behind them and be infinitly fast.

Now for that last bit on how far Sonic can streach himself concurrently.
Eggman said that Solaris will consume all existing timelines, and that unless Solaris was defeated at all points of its existance it would be unharmed. So in order for the Hedgehogs to beat it they had to occupy all existing timelines and all points within those timelines concurrently and each defeat Solaris simultaniously. Since Sonic was one of the three who did this, and all three of them were required, Sonic is able to exist within all points of 1/3rd of all existing timelines.

Now there really isn’t any proof that time can actually ever end. In fact time itself is an idea that cannot end. For it to have an end would mean that something beyond time would preceive everything as a static notion. Something beyond time would be unable to interact with time because in order for it to interact it would have to take an action, which in turn takes time. So time is infinate.

Now Sonic can exist through out an entire timeline that is infinately long, and he can do this over 1/3rd of the total possible timelines.

Even if Thanos mindcontrols Sonic, that doesn’t stop Sonic that exists at another point in time in any of the other timelines where Thanos didn’t mindcontrol him. This wouldn’t hurt Sonic as in order to hurt Sonic in this state Thanos would have to hit every instance of Sonic concurrently.

The fight is between Super Sonic and Thanos. The Chaos Emeralds’s powers are already with Sonic from the start. If Thanos moves back even more then he would be outside of the fight. It is not outside of Sonic’s power to follow, or lead, in that same path either, and just exist at a time that Thanos doesn’t have the Guantlet.

Sonic exists at all points in a timeline and in 1/3rd of all possible timelines. Given your description of the IG in the first paragraph it seems that Thanos is limited to a single universe. Sonic isn’t. He can exist across a multiverse. That is what he had to do in order to exist across several timelines of alternate realities. He could simply exist at a point in time here he didn’t get defeated, as that is a possibiliy and thus a possible timeline, and from there stage an attack against Thanos. Since Sonic exists in a timeline that Thanos didn’t beat him Sonic would be able to win against Thanos. It is a self fullfilling paradox.

You also don’t seem to understant that Sonic is existing a points in time points that are both before and after Thanos rewinds time. Even then Sonic is still existing at a time that is after Thanos rewinds time, yet within a differant history of the timeline that Thanos sets.

Event 1 is Sonic existing. Event 2 is later. Event 3 is Thanos reversing time. Event 4 where Thanos ends up. Event 5 is local history before Thanos shows up. Event 6 is whatever Thanos changes. Event 7 is after Thanos changes history. Event 8 is the timeline of Event 2 that continues on without Thanos. Event 9 is the timelines that begins because of Event 7. At Event 1, Sonic is already existing at all 9 Events, and he is existing at several more possible Events and alternative subsections of Events and through out the entire timelines of a slight minority of all possible Events. Sonic is there before Thanos does anything, and he is hitting him with infinites on infinites.

On the subject of souls. The Emeralds have shown the abilties to grant wishes and manipulate souls. This much is above reproach. I did take it to a no limit fallacy, but considering how many infinites, and unlimiteds, and limitless statements are about the Emeralds I wouldn’t be surprised if they can do whatever they want with souls. But you are right, I did over do that one.

Then it’s a tie. Thanos has complete control over time, and hence he can strike at every single sonic in his universe at once and destroy him. However, he can only rely on his own power if leaving his universe, effectively parking him in one place, as a being like Super Sonic is impossible to beat without the power of the Gauntlet.

However, when Sonic is outside the universe and existing somewhere else, as you claim he can, he cannot strike Thanos without entering our universe. And Thanos should easily be able to destroy Sonic as he approaches. He himself cannot be killed, as Death will not have him. So unless Sonic can destroy him and then drag his soul away and lock it up in an alternative resting place than the ones Death sends people to, he cannot put the guy down.

But as I see it, there’s one very good possibility. A combo of Gems resulting in all the Sonics in his universe getting hit with Reality, wishing away the Emeralds, and Soul, striking each soul into oblivion, the thing attempted being to bash Sonics soul beyond repair. If Sonic cannot perfectly copy his own soul and have all the copies existing separately from each in different bodies, that attack should end it. If not, this is one hell of a stalemate.

The whole catch is the soul. I’ve seen creatures existing at different points in time in different timelines before, although not to such extremes, it was more like 5 instances. But a soul attack still killed him. That was pretty much because no matter how much the bodies were copied, the soul couldn’t be. It just existed in all bodies too, but was connected to the other souls through an unknown energy shitting at the time/space problems. When one of the bodies got soulflayed, all of them died.

I’m just saying that is Sonic works in any way like this that is what it takes. If that is not possible, then Thanos either keeps Sonic from doing thing in his own universe or gets overwhelmed, destroyed, has the Gauntlet removed and his soul sealed, with his immunity from Death rendered nullified.

Then how did Thanos lose?

Thanos was the guy who made Deadpool unable to die. So if he can do that, then I’m guessing he can make sombody unable to live. Man, that last sentence sounded really wierd.

Seriorly at first glance it look like thanos but when you dig you find that Sonic is WAY more powerful then Thanos but only for what was it 300 billion years in Thanos time but 50 Seconds in Sonic time??

“Oh yeah, forgot one little tidbit. The Space Gem allows the user to exist in all locations in the universe simultaneously.” actually Sonic can exist in 1/3 of the MULTIverse
and 1/3 of all the timelines of the 1/3 of the universe multiple times at the same time
+ control time also you havent rebuted my argument that in the time it could take Thanos to think or swipe his hand or whatever it would be over anyways

i may have alreay mentioned this with the timelines and all that but im pretty sure sonic can do diminsions and such as well……

yeah sonic is a nasty piece of work

“However, the site rules state ‘Everything works as they would in their native universes’.”
But if the original canon says its not suposed to work somewhere else, who do we folow?

“Technically, crossovers aren’t canon.”

So, it DOESNT have a limit then, good to know.

The Heart? Ouch. Please don’t. That makes him gain the power of the One Above All, he could slap the Living Tribunal around. Sonic stands less than no chance.

um well because i was fighting for sonic earlier i am obligated to post on his side some moar

Sonic has Hyper mode if its all abilitys (but hyper hasnt been explained yet just super so damn)

meh if he has the heart i will sing in a different tune i promise

Interesting….

I just discovered to interesting things about the Infinity Gaunlet.

1) The time Gem actually makes the user immune to having their past tampered with. Attacking and defeating Thanos in multiple timelines wouldn’t work, because the very concept of time is being controlled by Thanos

2) The Gaunlet grants omniscience. If Sonic exists, Thanos know he exists, know’s where he exists, how he’s going to attack, his thought process for his attack,s when and where they attack will come and how it could potentially affect him, as well as being how he can strike back, how much force it would take to destroy sonic and how he would go about doing it.

Thanos with the Infinity Gaunlet wins. There’s just no hope.

@skrunks
source? i seems like you’re playing this up further than it was aforementioned. so unless you have a source what you said can easily be taken as BS. no offense.