Suggested by queenb13
So, as most of you all know, I am a huge fan of anything Legend of the Seeker. But, even I know when one of my favorite characters doesn’t stand a chance, and given who Rahl is up against, I doubt he’d find a way to win.
Even placing this match in Rahl’s world, I’m not sure there is a scenario where he could pull off an upset victory.
What say you?





February 4, 2010
#1
I don’t know. Syler is incredibly powerful, but he is plagued by the same vice all Heroes characters do. He lacks violence of action. Instead of ripping an opponent appart (as he could do), he chooses to toss him a little bit first, or zap lightning with very little strength.
Not that I know how Richard would approach the battle, but Sylar may leave a big enough gap in iniciative advantage for the spellweaver to exploit.
February 4, 2010
#2
@mata
how would rahl take advantage of that? form what ive heard on this site about syler in previous battle, the only way to be sure to kill him is to destroy the entire body, due to the fact that he can move around his brain, the only way to kill himis to destroy it, does richar have such a spell?
February 4, 2010
#3
Well yes, and no. Sylar has shown incredible healing, but it has yet to be shown as something game-changing. The spot you speak of is a way to shut down the power. We have still seen him being rendered unconscious. He could also be critically dismembered, something that would slow him down, to say the least.
I am sure there is a possibility for him to manifest it differently, but we have only seen him displaying his offensive abilities via his hands. I think there may have been a few instances of him TKing with just his mind, but hand movements are his major displayed mannerisms. Not having these attached would cut his offensive power as he adjusts.
Then theres the little issue of decapitation. This point might be partly speculative, but it is commonly accepted that with no brain function to control the body, there is no threat.
In any case, we have seen time and again that Sylar’s might is nowhere near absolute as his numerous flaws have been played against him oby other characters.
Now, I don’t know Richard, but he has often been compared with Rand al’Thor in power, skill, and attitude. If that comparison is accurate, then Sylar dill be defeated.
February 4, 2010
#4
yes dismemberment would cause a huge disadvantage, but he has to get close for that, and with his shapeshifting ability he can move his vital parts around (not 100 percent on that as i read it in a battle, im not sure if it was disproven) making it hard to find his brain to kill him, though decapitation would result in lose of all his senses save for touch, a huge disadvantage, so i agree if rahl get close enough to use the sword on him id give it to rahl
February 4, 2010
#5
He wouldnt need a sword for this. He is an adept spell caster.
As for the movement of vital parts, its speculation. If I recall correctly, he stated he shifted his healing’s weak spot, but he did not state he relocated his entire brain, or that he is able to do the same with the rest of his organs. For all we know, all he did was shift the weak spot just a few inches off its original location.
Saying he is capable of shifting his vital parts to other unexpected locations might be overreaching.
Also, that shift wouldn’t save him from total body erradication. Something that Rahl is capable of via his spells if I have his abilities understood correctly. We might need a more SoT knowledgeable Piler for that one.
February 4, 2010
#6
thats what i asked about in my first post if he could do that, perhaps we will have to wait
February 4, 2010
#7
“Also, that shift wouldn’t save him from total body erradication. Something that Rahl is capable of via his spells if I have his abilities understood correctly. We might need a more SoT knowledgeable Piler for that one.”
I have been summoned.
I’ll start by copy-pasting what I said about Rahl’s abilities in an earlier debate.
Combat skill: Richard is a master swordsman, having the combined memories of dozens, perhaps hundreds, of previous warriors inside his head, which he can draw upon as if they were his own memories, even without the Sword of Truth at hand. He practices these forms frequently to get a better feel and control over them in actual combat. He was able to defeat 30 blademasters, one or two at a time, in a single battle.
Physical strength: Richard is bigger than most men, heavily muscled from both his swordsmanship and his extended work in the Old World during “Faith of the Fallen.” He is exceptionally strong for a normal human, and has the speed and dexterity of a blademaster. When using the Sword of Truth, the speed and power of his strikes is increased beyond what a normal human would be capable of. He is capable of cutting human beings, maple trees, and tree-thick bars of iron in half in a single swing.
Weaponry: Richard’s primary weapon is the Sword of Truth, an enchanted sword that can be used with either one or two hands. He does not use a shield. The Sword of Truth magnifies Richard’s anger, sending him into a calculated bloodrage in battle and leaving him more or less immune to any feeling of hesitation or remorse. The Sword itself is impregnated with powerful magic that renders it more or less indestructible. Richard can block magic attacks strong enough to kill a normal human several times over with the flat of the blade. The magic naturally repels certain pests, including snakes. The blade is absurdly sharp and never dulls. Richard may also(depending on the point in the story) carry an Agiel(a leather rod that inflicts extreme pain on whoever is touched by it) or a yabre(a three-bladed dagger). He is proficient with all manner of swords.
Richard’s strongest use of the Sword of Truth is the “White Magic” where he reverses the anger of the magic. He can only use the White Magic on someone that he loves, has compassion for, or else that he forgives totally for everything they’ve ever done. This magic causes his sword attacks to be many times stronger, and have even been known to penetrate magical shields of defense erected around his enemies, and strike down the mightiest of sorceresses and creatures in a single blow. Nothing to date in the SoT series has survived even one blow of the White Magic; in Wizard’s First Rule, it cut through the flesh of a target like butter, according to the text, with virtually no resistence to the thrust.
Immunities: Richard is the living incarnation of a powerful ancient magic of D’Hara known only as the “bond.” This provides him with total immunity to psychic or psionic influences and attacks. His mind cannot be controlled or bent, even by the strongest telepaths in the SoT universe. This immunity, however, seems to only work against influences that actually try to enter and break his mind. More subtle magic that influences from the outside, such as the Confessor’s Touch, still affect him.
Magic: Richard is a “War Wizard” a powerful type of mage that possesses all types of magic, albeit some in limited amounts. He can use both additive magic(to change things) and subtractive magic(to unmake matter, basically making it vanish into nothingness). He has a limited gift for prophecy, and can sense intuitively when danger is coming or when someone is sneaking up on him.(Though he cannot tell what sort of attack they are going to stage.)
Richard’s main magical attacks are Wizard’s Fire(ordinary fire augmented by magic to burn hotter and be difficult to extenguish; capable of totally immolating targets larger than a man), lightning(blasts of electricity and heat that blow things apart, but slower than traditional lightning; does not move at the speed of light) black lightning(beams of dark energy that erase anything they come into contact with), and manipulations of the air. Richard is capable of thickening the air to stop projectiles such as arrows, or form shields around his body to protect him from attack. His magic tends to work not by creating energy, but rather by drawing upon forces of nature already in existence, such as gathering the heat from the air to form fire. He can, however, if he wishes, use subtractive magic to cause destruction without using anything that is already there.
By joining the additive and the subtractive, Richard can unleash shockwaves of additive and subtractive lightning that kill anything they come into contact with. Using these blasts, he killed several hundred men in an instant.
The limitation to Richard’s magic is that he does not truly understand the effects that he causes, usually working more by instinct that by pre-ready knowledge. This can also be turned into an advantage, for example by finding an enemy’s weakness for a specific battle. Whenever Richard uses magic, it draws upon his “Han” or lifeforce, causing him fatigue and eventually exhaustion. Richard himself states in “Phantom” that his powers are not strong enough to defeat an army of thousands upon thousands, because his powers would eventually run out.
Richard cannot teleport or turn invisible. He solves the latter problem with a Mriswith cape he comes across on his journeys, which has a chameleon power to blend into the surroundings around it. However, because this cloak corrupted him, he eventually gave it up.
Anyway, Rahl has demonstrated the kinds of powers necessary to totally immolate a target. Wizard’s fire has reduced gars, creatures larger then men, into smoke and ash in a matter of seconds, and his Subtractive Magic can quite literally blink any target it touches out of existence. If he can decimate +1000 men in one attack, one superhuman wouldn’t be much of a problem. Sylar would have to avoid his deadly magic in order to win this.
February 4, 2010
#8
“Instead of ripping an opponent appart (as he could do), he chooses to toss him a little bit first, or zap lightning with very little strength.”
I’d have to disagree with this. Sylar usually goes into monologue mode when he has a vendetta against, or a history with his enemy. He has been shown to act immediately when he sees something as a real threat, or not worth his time. In the final episode of the first series, he was quick to dispose of several other characters by merely deflecting their attacks and throwing them against walls with a flick of the wrist, only taking his time on Peter, his rival.
Then there’s also the fact that Rahls unique ‘abilities’ may intrigue Sylar, prompting him to get into his head (literally) as soon as he had the chance, something else demonstrated on multiple occasions.
As for destroying Sylar’s body, the show is really yet to clear that up. The first series had Peter regenerating from a nuclear explosion (albeit with memory loss) yet other episodes have shown him temporarily dying after the brain’s sweet spot is impaired. Though for the sake of this battle, we may as well say complete destruction of the body is enough.
Also, does Rahl have any soul attacking or life sapping attacks? As these would definitely be effective. Healing spells couldn’t hurt either. Without these, I’d say Sylar has the edge.
February 4, 2010
#9
“Then there’s also the fact that Rahls unique ‘abilities’ may intrigue Sylar, prompting him to get into his head (literally) as soon as he had the chance, something else demonstrated on multiple occasions.”
He’d have to kill him first and do it manually. As long as Rahl is alive, his mind/brain is protected from any psychic attempt to enter/dominate his mind.
“Also, does Rahl have any soul attacking or life sapping attacks? As these would definitely be effective. Healing spells couldn’t hurt either. Without these, I’d say Sylar has the edge.”
I don’t remember any of Rahl’s attacks hitting on a spirtual level, but he is capable of healing. He’s quite proficient with it, and has brought injured comrades back from the brink of death multiple times. There was one incident in the ninth book where he seemed to heal Cara’s spirit of a life-sapping curse, but nothing that implies offensive ability in the same area.
February 4, 2010
#10
“He’d have to kill him first and do it manually. As long as Rahl is alive, his mind/brain is protected from any psychic attempt to enter/dominate his mind.”
I meant Sylar would be quicker to act if he wished to examine Rahl’s brain, though if he can heal proficiently as you mentioned, and whilst under extreme pain; he may be able to stop Sylar’s attempts to cut open his head and then counter. Are there any instances of Rahl healing massive physical wounds?
Looking at the highly destructive spells you’ve listed, Sylar would definitely meet his doom if he failed to act first, or his attack was countered. He’s going to need to act immediately, which will be harder with his current powers, as I believe he now lacks the superhuman reflexes he once had.
February 4, 2010
#11
“Are there any instances of Rahl healing massive physical wounds?”
In the third book, “Blood of the Fold” he healed one of his bodyguards, who had received a rather grotesque injury that I’m not going to detail here, simultaneously lifting a magical curse from her.
In the fourth book, “Temple of the Winds” he healed Kahlan, who had been severely injured. Later, he healed another ally, who’s stomach had been ripped open and mutilated, and there wasn’t even a scar afterwards.
In the ninth book, “Chainfire” another of his bodyguards was striken with a life-draining curse that was rapidly sucking the life from her body, and he healed her, despite that one of the best sorceresses had tried and failed to do the same thing.
In the last book, “Confessor” he healed another of his injured allies, who was near death.
Rahl can heal using Additive Magic to force the flesh to stitch together, and can also use Subtractive Magic to remove alien objects within him, such as an arrow head lodged inside.
I don’t think there have been any incidents of Rahl healing himself while in extreme pain, though. He tends to ignore minor injuries to himself and focus on healing his allies, while when he is really injured he’s too delirious to access his magic at all.
February 4, 2010
#12
My initial vote is for Rahl because of his powers, sword skills, and pure awesomeness (just kidding). I am a fantasy guy, however, so I know nothing about Sylar besides he is on Heroes. Any information on the one who dares to challenge the War Wizard?
February 4, 2010
#13
“Saying he is capable of shifting his vital parts to other unexpected locations might be overreaching.”
No, he actually did this in the series, he got stabed in his weak point, he then proceded to get up and say “I moved it”. In other episodes he even grew extra teeth, even changing his clothing is a part of his shapeshifting.
As for knocking him unconcious, I’ve never seen that hapen to him after he achieved his regen, exept for the time they injected him with enough tranquilizer to “stop an elephant” , and the time parkman used his mindf*ck powers to seal him in his own nightmare. If there is another time please tell me, but as of now I dont think he’s being knocked out by phisical means.
“He’d have to kill him first and do it manually. As long as Rahl is alive, his mind/brain is protected from any psychic attempt to enter/dominate his mind”
The thingis sylar’s psychic powers dont seem to effect peoples minds, unless he wants them to, the same way R.R. thickens air to halt people, sylar uses his telekenesis to halt and move people/limbs, with some concentration.
February 4, 2010
#14
“The thingis sylar’s psychic powers dont seem to effect peoples minds, unless he wants them to, the same way R.R. thickens air to halt people, sylar uses his telekenesis to halt and move people/limbs, with some concentration.”
Not sure you understand. The Rahl bond protects Rahls and ALL who swear allegaince to him from ANY telekinesis whatsoever. There is a physic from The Old World, Jagang, who did use telekinesis to move people’s limbs, wake them up from sleep, enslave them to his will, use them conquer the world, ect. ect. Even people with a particulary strong will, such as Sister Verna, could not resist AT ALL. But as soon as Sister Verna swore fealty to Richard, Jagang and any other phsyic could not enter her mind or force her to do anything at all.
February 4, 2010
#15
@Envoy
Read carefully. I said that Sylar did not state he moved the entire brain, nor how far. He just refferenced to the weak spot being moved. Like I said, for all we know he just moved it a few inches off from it’s original place.
Asuming he could move the brain, or any other organ, in it’s entirety to a completely new location in his body, or even in such a matter as to rotating 180 degrees in place, is pure speculation on your part.
The only evidence seen so far is that he moved the weak spot. That’s it. Unless you can provide evidence to the contrary, further talks of him moving vital organs will be seen as utterly falacious.
February 4, 2010
#16
Darn it, I fail….
But I still dont see sylar getting knocked out.
But I’m not sure I understand double R’s bond yet, it negates ANY psychic ability directed at him, even sylar’s “psy-knife”?
February 4, 2010
#17
@mazrim
he does not have to enter his mind to manipulate his body, just use force on his actual body, so would that still work
February 4, 2010
#18
thats not telekenesis Mazrim, that along the lines of telepathy and psychokenesis, sylar uses his mind to cause physical forces no amount of psychic shielding is going to help that.
February 5, 2010
#19
“thats not telekenesis Mazrim, that along the lines of telepathy and psychokenesis, sylar uses his mind to cause physical forces no amount of psychic shielding is going to help that.”
The Bond is meant to protect against psychic powers. However, we’ve never seen it tested against telekinesis and other powers that are “psychic” in origin and yet cause a physical effect. The only powers that are “psychic” within SoT are those that affect the mind and only the mind, which Rahl is immune to.
Since we haven’t seen how this would match up, it’s hard to say for sure how it would happen. Rahl could be defenseless against a telekinetic attack that targets his body rather than his mind. On the other hand, the Bond might block just because it is psychic-based.
Rahl isn’t, however, immune to forces similar to telekinesis that are “magical” in origin. He needs to create a magical shield in order to block them. If the Bond doesn’t protect against Sylar’s abilities, then defending against him would be like defending against any another wizard.
February 5, 2010
#20
@AHEM
Can you explain in detail the process of Richard’s spellcasting?
Is it inherent, or does he need to go through casting rituals (conventional waving of hands in patterns, harnessing and weaving a-la-WoT, natural ability to focus the energies subconsciously, etc)?
What have been some of his examples of caster battles?
I think this fight will deffinitley come down to who gets the iniciative advantage over the other, and these points might be crucial in determining this for Rahl.
February 5, 2010
#21
“Can you explain in detail the process of Richard’s spellcasting?
Is it inherent, or does he need to go through casting rituals (conventional waving of hands in patterns, harnessing and weaving a-la-WoT, natural ability to focus the energies subconsciously, etc)?”
In SoT, magic comes from the “Han” or life force of the wizard/sorceress/witch in question. The first step in the process of casting spells is to learn to “touch” one’s Han, and after that, to direct it. Magic is compared to gaining an extra limb; just as you use the energy in your body to move a hand or an arm, a wizard becomes able to use the energy of their Han to reach out and cause effects in the world.
Once the Han is tapped, which eventually becomes so easy it can be done at a thought, it can be unleashed into the world. It is always directed through some form of gesture; before a wizard throws lightning and fire at a target, they first lift their hand and point in the direction they want to send it. Wizards always lift their arms when they summon wizard’s fire, right before they throw it. Richard has also tended to focus his magic by touch on occasion, such as by touching a magical collar in order to deactivate it, holding a person while healing them, etc.
More complex “spells” are structured in forms called wizard’s web. In the first book, Kahlan explains a web as, “a spell a wizard casts.” Accomplishing long term effects on things, such as making them invisible, is often said as, “putting a web around it.” It is possible to pick these webs apart. Overall, these webs seem to be fairly similar to the weaves of Saidin/Saidar used in the Wheel of Time.
Richard’s magic tends to work more on instinct and intuition than technicalities. Anger and need tend to bring on his gift more than anything else.
In battle, Richard’s magic tends to be quick, but not instantaneous. He points at you, maybe performs a quick hand gesture, and then fire/lightning/whatever is flying through the air towards you. He can unleash magic at a thought. Only very quick and cunning opponents who can outmaneuver his reflexes can avoid it.
Wizards tend to only be able to focus on one or two things at once with their magic. I’ve never seen an example of one cast multiple spells/webs at once, though there are several incidents of wizards/sorceresses churning out several spells in quick succession.
For further reference:
http://sot.wikia.com/wiki/The_Gift
http://sot.wikia.com/wiki/Wizard
http://sot.wikia.com/wiki/Additive_Magic
http://sot.wikia.com/wiki/Subtractive_Magic
http://sot.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Spells,_Magic_and_the_Gift
As for caster battles . . .there aren’t really that many in the SoT, and fewer regarding Richard. I’ll see if I can find some incidents of magic against magic in my books. There’s eleven of em and plenty of pages to each, so this might take a bit.
February 5, 2010
#22
“Can you explain in detail the process of Richard’s spellcasting?
Is it inherent, or does he need to go through casting rituals (conventional waving of hands in patterns, harnessing and weaving a-la-WoT, natural ability to focus the energies subconsciously, etc)?”
In SoT, magic comes from the “Han” or life force of the wizard/sorceress/witch in question. The first step in the process of casting spells is to learn to “touch” one’s Han, and after that, to direct it. Magic is compared to gaining an extra limb; just as you use the energy in your body to move a hand or an arm, a wizard becomes able to use the energy of their Han to reach out and cause effects in the world.
Once the Han is tapped, which eventually becomes so easy it can be done at a thought, it can be unleashed into the world. It is always directed through some form of gesture; before a wizard throws lightning and fire at a target, they first lift their hand and point in the direction they want to send it. Wizards always lift their arms when they summon wizard’s fire, right before they throw it. Richard has also tended to focus his magic by touch on occasion, such as by touching a magical collar in order to deactivate it, holding a person while healing them, etc.
More complex “spells” are structured in forms called wizard’s web. In the first book, Kahlan explains a web as, “a spell a wizard casts.” Accomplishing long term effects on things, such as making them invisible, is often said as, “putting a web around it.” It is possible to pick these webs apart. Overall, these webs seem to be fairly similar to the weaves of Saidin/Saidar used in the Wheel of Time.
Richard’s magic tends to work more on instinct and intuition than technicalities. Anger and need tend to bring on his gift more than anything else.
In battle, Richard’s magic tends to be quick, but not instantaneous. He points at you, maybe performs a quick hand gesture, and then fire/lightning/whatever is flying through the air towards you. He can unleash magic at a thought. Only very quick and cunning opponents who can outmaneuver his reflexes can avoid it.
Wizards tend to only be able to focus on one or two things at once with their magic. I’ve never seen an example of one cast multiple spells/webs at once, though there are several incidents of wizards/sorceresses churning out several spells in quick succession.
For further reference:
http://sot.wikia.com/wiki/The_Gift
As for caster battles . . .there aren’t really that many in the SoT, and fewer regarding Richard. I’ll see if I can find some incidents of magic against magic in my books. There’s eleven of em and plenty of pages to each, so this might take a bit.
February 6, 2010
#23
Currently Sylar possesses these abilities.
Rapid cellular regeneration
Alchemic transmutation
Psychometry
Sound manipulation
Electric manipulation
Lie detection
Thoughtography
Shapeshifting
Disintegration
Flight
Empathy
he doesnt have telekenesis anymore so dont worry about that. but he could out right disintergrate Richard
February 6, 2010
#24
my bad he recently used telekenesis on his father so he should still have it i believe.
February 6, 2010
#25
“he doesnt have telekenesis anymore so dont worry about that. but he could out right disintergrate Richard”
I will have to disagree with that.
So Sylar can detect lies. Richard does not talk much when he’s fighting.
So Sylar can regenerate. Not gonna help him if he’s sent to the Underworld by Richard’s magic.
So Sylar can fly. Not gonna help him if he gets struck out of the sky by Wizard’s Fire or Additive and Subtractive Lightning.
So Sylar can manipulate sound. How does that help him here?
So Sylar can manipulate electricity. There is no electricity besides lightning in the Midlands. Though Richard uses Additive and Subtractive magic that look and act like lightning bolts, they are not energy, only magic.
So Sylar can manipulate minds. Not gonna work with Rahh’s physic bond.
Telekineses may be a problem, until Richard starts unleashing his own magic.
Richard on the other hand, can blast him with Wizard’s Fire, Additive and Subtractive Lighting (not real electricity), immobilize him with Air shields, blast him with Air hardened to cement, or send him to the Underworld with Subtractive Magic. And those are the more basic things he can do.
Now I realize I’ve never watched Heroes so I probably underestimated Sylar’s powers. To me, however, they don’t seem incredibly destructive, especially not compared with the War Wizard.
February 6, 2010
#26
““he doesnt have telekenesis anymore so dont worry about that. but he could out right disintergrate Richard”
I will have to disagree with that.”
Why? he has two ways of doing that, a close range sonic blast, or his disintigration ability.
“So Sylar can manipulate sound. How does that help him here?”
Sylar can make sonic blasts of varying intensity with his voice.
http://heroeswiki.com/Sound_manipulation
“So Sylar can manipulate electricity. There is no electricity besides lightning in the Midlands. Though Richard uses Additive and Subtractive magic that look and act like lightning bolts, they are not energy, only magic.”
He actually shoots lightning out of his body, he is also unharmed by other sources of electricity.
http://heroeswiki.com/Electric_manipulation
“So Sylar can fly. Not gonna help him if he gets struck out of the sky by Wizard’s Fire or Additive and Subtractive Lightning.”
His coppied flight is aparetly at supersonic speeds, a bit too fast for RR, I think.
http://heroeswiki.com/Flight
“So Sylar can manipulate minds. Not gonna work with Rahh’s physic bond.”
Sylar tears open peoples heads, or just looks at them to understand or notice problems with their bodies.
http://heroeswiki.com/Intuitive_aptitude
I’m still skeptival about Rahl’s bond negating Sylar’s telekinesis, its acting soley upon the body and not RR’s mind, does that mean that a telekeneticly alterted punch would be negated by this bond, it shouldnt because its not invading his mind.
http://heroeswiki.com/Telekinesis
@Mata
Just found this:
“This ability allows the shape shifter to alter his or her body to match that of another person, even changing gender if desired. ”
Its from here:
http://heroeswiki.com/Shape_shifting
I agree on the fact that sylr wont be moving his organs(skrull-style) but he seems to be able to move and change smaller parts in his body.
February 6, 2010
#27
@Envoy
Thanks for the information. That sonic blast sounds particulary nasty, and I have a newfound respect for Sylar now. However, the Lord Rahl still has a few tricks up his sleeve.
If Sylar tries to shoot lightning or a sonic blast or anything else nasty, Richard can block it with the Sword of Truth. Not only has it proven to block pretty much any power, it rebounds it upon the caster’s owner. is Sylar immune to his own electricty or sonic blasts?
Even if Sylar could somehow analyze Richard’s powers and abilities, he would not be able to copy them, at least not to an extent to challenge Richard. Additive magic can be learned if you are special, but to be really powerful you must be born with the gift. And Subtractive Magic can only be acquired by birth or selling your soul to the Keeper of the Underworld, which I would not put past Sylar, but would take time.
Flying at supersonic speeds may be a problem, but moving at all becomes difficult when immobilized by an Air Shield.
Or Richard could just put a Subtractive Magic shield all around Sylar. Sylar tries to fly, hits the shield, gets sent to the Underworld, and spends an eternity tortured by the Keeper of the Underworld.
February 6, 2010
#28
“If Sylar tries to shoot lightning or a sonic blast or anything else nasty, Richard can block it with the Sword of Truth. Not only has it proven to block pretty much any power, it rebounds it upon the caster’s owner. is Sylar immune to his own electricty or sonic blasts?”
I’m geussing the sheild is a “magical block everything sheild” type of sheild. If sylar’s own electricity, or sonic yell hits him he would easily regenerate. He’s regenerated against previous electric shocks near instantly, and has regen’d from multiple nuclear blasts.
“Even if Sylar could somehow analyze Richard’s powers and abilities, he would not be able to copy them, at least not to an extent to challenge Richard. Additive magic can be learned if you are special, but to be really powerful you must be born with the gift. And Subtractive Magic can only be acquired by birth or selling your soul to the Keeper of the Underworld, which I would not put past Sylar, but would take time.”
I dont know if sylar would be able to copy RR, is “yan”(the stuff that gives you magic) in all living things, maybe he could, maybe? But sylar would most likely notice something different about RR.
“Flying at supersonic speeds may be a problem, but moving at all becomes difficult when immobilized by an Air Shield.”
I’m not a physics person, so I dont know if supersonic speeds would have an effect on this air wall or not, but I think he might just blow past these walls with his speed, just my uneducated geuss.
“Or Richard could just put a Subtractive Magic shield all around Sylar. Sylar tries to fly, hits the shield, gets sent to the Underworld, and spends an eternity tortured by the Keeper of the Underworld.”
Does Rahl normaly put up theses magical bariers(air, addetive, subtractive, ect.) as his answer to every encounter? Aside from that I dont see Sylar getting out of that, but I also dont see Rahl survivng sylar’s disintigration, or his “midas touch” turning Rahl into gold with touch.
Sylars telekenetic powers are still a factor correct? That’s usualy sylars first move if, rahl cant get out of it soon enough, he’ll be dead quick.
February 6, 2010
#29
“I dont know if sylar would be able to copy RR, is “yan”(the stuff that gives you magic) in all living things, maybe he could, maybe? But sylar would most likely notice something different about RR.”
Yes, Han exists in all living things, including those without magic. Richard’s Han is particularly powerful.
“Does Rahl normaly put up theses magical bariers(air, addetive, subtractive, ect.) as his answer to every encounter? Aside from that I dont see Sylar getting out of that, but I also dont see Rahl survivng sylar’s disintigration, or his “midas touch” turning Rahl into gold with touch.”
One of the first things that Rahl learned to do with his gift was to set up air barriers. He used these in one of his first instances of conscious spellcasting to block arrows.
“Sylars telekenetic powers are still a factor correct? That’s usualy sylars first move if, rahl cant get out of it soon enough, he’ll be dead quick.”
While I think it is most likely that the bond would not block telekinesis that does not affect Rahl’s mind, I don’t think it will be quite an instant win against Rahl. Wizards and sorceresses in SoT can also move objects without touching them with their Han, similar to telekinesis only magic-based. At the very least, Rahl possesses a power that can counter Sylar’s.
February 6, 2010
#30
“Yes, Han exists in all living things, including those without magic. Richard’s Han is particularly powerful.”
Well, using psychometry sylar should learn SOMETHING, though, I doubt he would be able to use it as anything more than a distraction against Rahl, throw some brain exposure in there for good measure.
“One of the first things that Rahl learned to do with his gift was to set up air barriers. He used these in one of his first instances of conscious spellcasting to block arrows.”
So its his staple move then, good to know. Still, a wall of air will not stop him from disintigration. And how would supersonic flight work with these air sheilds?
“While I think it is most likely that the bond would not block telekinesis that does not affect Rahl’s mind, I don’t think it will be quite an instant win against Rahl. Wizards and sorceresses in SoT can also move objects without touching them with their Han, similar to telekinesis only magic-based. At the very least, Rahl possesses a power that can counter Sylar’s.”
How strong is this “Tele-Han”, Does it have any other violent uses, or does it just move things? Sylar is adept in his telekenetic powers; fliping trucks, and imobilizing people, then going on to perform brain surgery, and slicing heads/necks, he could even disarm RR with a hand gesture.
I dont think Sylar’s hold will be an instant win, but I do think it will lead other more fatal folowups, a psychic strangle or knife could kill Rahl, a blast of lightning, sonic scream, he could even turn rahl’s neck to gold and suffocate him.
February 6, 2010
#31
sylars genectic code changes to incorparate new abilities so when he aquires them its not simply copying. plus his innate ability is understanding which allows him to figure almost anything out immediately including how to use new aquired powers to thier fullest.
February 6, 2010
#32
@Dark
Yes, but this is magic, unless Han is in the brain sylar wont copy it that way. And Han seems to be more spiritual than physical, so I dont think changing anatomy would help, either sylar has it or he dosent. How he learns it, is a different story.
February 6, 2010
#33
“So its his staple move then, good to know. Still, a wall of air will not stop him from disintigration. And how would supersonic flight work with these air sheilds?”
Hard to say, since Richard has never attempted to stop something moving at supersonic speeds or with really immense force before. It would really be a question of how much force Sylar hits with. Getting through the hardened air would be like trying to break through a wall of concrete, but supersonic speed does imply could a bit of ramming force.
“How strong is this ‘Tele-Han’, Does it have any other violent uses, or does it just move things? Sylar is adept in his telekenetic powers; fliping trucks, and imobilizing people, then going on to perform brain surgery, and slicing heads/necks, he could even disarm RR with a hand gesture.”
Zedd demonstrated it in the first book by picking up a rock, crushing it, moving it around, and explaining how Additive Magic can be used that way. It’s pretty flexible, though we’re never really shown the absolute limits of it. I’d assume that it would have a similar maximum magnitude as most other spells cast by Richard, which have been known to affect targets on the orders of +1000 soldiers at once.
February 6, 2010
#34
“Zedd demonstrated it in the first book by picking up a rock, crushing it, moving it around, and explaining how Additive Magic can be used that way. It’s pretty flexible, though we’re never really shown the absolute limits of it. I’d assume that it would have a similar maximum magnitude as most other spells cast by Richard, which have been known to affect targets on the orders of +1000 soldiers at once.”
Wow does rahl just pwn good portions of armies for fun, or is that his high end attacks that did that? Well it seems that a psychic attack by sylar would end with a “psychic” battle between he and rahl. Can rahl use “tele-han” and other spells together, or is he limited to one at a time?
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Does anyone know how to change the gravatar, because mine isnt cutting it anymore?
February 6, 2010
#35
“Wow does rahl just pwn good portions of armies for fun, or is that his high end attacks that did that? Well it seems that a psychic attack by sylar would end with a “psychic” battle between he and rahl. Can rahl use “tele-han” and other spells together, or is he limited to one at a time?”
That example comes from the seventh book, where a force of at least a thousand soldiers attacked Rahl at once, and he obliterated them with one massive attack. This was one of the biggest examples of his power, but it didn’t seem to exhaust him instantly or require superhuman willpower/prep time to unleash. He later stated that he could not handle larger armies of thousands upon thousands with just his magic, because he would eventually run out of Han and be overwhelmed. However, decimating a thousand armored men(and the horses they were riding) at once is still quite impressive.
As for using multiple spells together, not really. Rahl has occasion worked two or more effects into one move, for example chaining Additive and Subtractive lightning together, but he hasn’t really shown the ability to use his magic on multiple targets at once, and neither have other wizards. Didn’t I already mention this in an earlier post? Yeah, I did.
“Wizards tend to only be able to focus on one or two things at once with their magic. I’ve never seen an example of one cast multiple spells/webs at once, though there are several incidents of wizards/sorceresses churning out several spells in quick succession.”
February 8, 2010
#36
Rahl will probably just obliterate Sylar right off the bat with a huge blast of Additive Lightning. How’s he going to survive what would kill 1000 men and their horses at once? He might be really tough and can heal, but can he regenerate from being reduced to ash?
February 8, 2010
#37
“Rahl will probably just obliterate Sylar right off the bat with a huge blast of Additive Lightning. How’s he going to survive what would kill 1000 men and their horses at once? He might be really tough and can heal, but can he regenerate from being reduced to ash?”
Same could be said for rahl, how does he survive disintigration, or being turned into gold, or having his face blown off? Because sylar can do all that.
But is this lightning unblockable? I think sylar might be able to counter it with his own if it is, and wouldnt sustained fire drain rahl’s han?
I think this ballte is pretty equal, each of the combatants can end eachother with a single move it really depends on who does what first. As of now, sylar can disintigrate rahl(fatal), use a sonic blast on rahl’s face(fatal), toss out a supersonic punch, or use this speed to touch him, which would turn him into gold.
February 8, 2010
#38
“Rahl will probably just obliterate Sylar right off the bat with a huge blast of Additive Lightning. How’s he going to survive what would kill 1000 men and their horses at once? He might be really tough and can heal, but can he regenerate from being reduced to ash?”
Didn’t Sylar tank a nuclear blast and recover? If he can do that, then sheer destructive force is unlikely to bring him down. A better option would be to erase the physical matter of his body, particularly his brain, with Subtractive Magic.
February 8, 2010
#39
“Didn’t Sylar tank a nuclear blast and recover? If he can do that, then sheer destructive force is unlikely to bring him down.”
Not sylar himself, but claire had this healing factor that did, peter also survived this nuke. So, since sylar copied claire’s healing, which on two ocasions has survived nukes, he should be able to do the same . If you were able to reduce his entire body to dust instantly, it wouldnt give him a chance to heal and he would die. Other than that, he’ll heal.
February 9, 2010
#40
This is a tough one. Sylar has nasty sonic blasts, lightning, and the Midas touch, but Richard as Wizard’s Fire, Additive and Subtractive Lightning, and Subtractive Magic. Rahl can make a shield that could block some of Sylar’s attacks, but Sylar can regenerate unless he is instantly killed.
i doubt Sylar will be able to copy Richard’s Han, however. It is true that at least in Sword of Truth almost everybody has some small spark of magic in them, but 999 out of a thousand’s spark of Han is to small for any practical purposes. If Sylar’s Han was big enough to use Richard’s powers to any extent, then he would have started suffering from headaches and died years ago, as happens to anyone who has a strong Han but is not taught to control it by a wizard or has it subdued by the Rada’Han. So even if Sylar learned how to use the Han, he could not control it…
February 9, 2010
#41
If sylar has enough Han, then by using psychometry, he would be able to read rahl’s past through touch, and learn how to control han the way he did, but it seems like sylar dosent have enough han to be a credible threat if he did.
February 10, 2010
#42
im gonna have to go with sylar on this one yes magic is powerful blah blah blah but any damage sylar takes will be healed also sylar can recover from the strongest of blast including nuclear blast annd as said in the show sylar survived a huge explosion at prima tech that destroyed the whole building lets see sylars powers whoa see sylar has many powers let me name some telekenysis he can either rip richards head without even flinching or he can knock him aside or sylar could use that power to use the surrounding area as a weapon itself throw things at richard ect ect pull any weapons he has right out of his hands unless theres some silly magic spell that glues richards wepons to his hands haha so yeah next one sylar and his electricity power it all comes from him and wow can he turn up the juice or what if he wanted he could fry richard overwelm him ect ect not gonna get into alot of detail about each power just gotta say a few oh here is one power that sylar has that im sure not alot of people know about he has the ability to control what somebody does and not by any radical mind control all he has to do is tell somebody to do something and they will do it go back to season one he killed that girl by pulling her through the glass were he was being heled and took her power so all he has to do is tell richard to stop draw his blade and slit his own throat or ect example walk straight to me bam killed again and ect ect ect so yeah ouch next one sylar does have the ability to freeze people so yeah freezing ability ok any fire ability richard has can be countered by his freezing power also duh he can just freeze richard either lil by lil or his whole body or he can make the whole surrounding area into one big ice box slowing richard down ok next power sylar has the ability to melt metal ok so any metal this guys got melted gone ok not much to say about that one cept he can melt metal next sylar can create sonic blast ear shattering body tossing and of course he makes it strong enough deadly sonic blast ok so thats another one oh tiny ability sylar can turn people and objects and whatever actually into solid gold this is a fight so im gonna mention anything that might not have been mentioned ok so solid gold dont you think if he can turn somebody solid gold thats pretty much a win haha ok next sylar can turn into anybody he wants ok so what if he just touches the wizard or the confessor or just whatever he not only gets there memories but there powers touch tells him everything he wants to know or he could tie them up and hide them somewere posing as them the whole time till bam sliced throat or cut open head and he can pose all the beter knowing there memories and ect or what if sylar fights richard looking like richard taunting him getting into his head not in a power kind of way but messing with him fighting urself would throw anybody off anyway yeah next power sylar can hear anybody coming from miles away there is no sneeking up on him with his super hearing next the ability to heal there is no true way to kill him the weakness he once had on the back of the head is not there anymore he moved it ALSO THAT SPOT THAT WAS ON THE BACK OF HIS HEAD IS MICROSCOPIC its just a tiny lil bity lil spot which is as i said moved ok explosions and ect dont kill him he can heal fly out of there or use his freeze ability so yeah there is no way to just blow him into nothing dont work like that he can come back it doesnt matter how powerful the explosion ect whatever peter came back from blowing up ok his whole body went BOOOM!!! sylar has that same excact ability to heal so yeah cant just blow him up or blow him into nothing he will always come back so next oh how could i forget sylars ability the one he started out with he knows how things work by just touching them either objects or people just a touch so sylar could accuire richards ability oh and mazrim you said sylar couldnt control the ability your wrong he not only attains them he knows how they work how to use them thats his whole thing so if he wanted he could get those powers and the knowlede of how to use them anyway next he has the ability to see the future ok so he knows whats going to happen just had to mention that power next one of his strongest ones his nuclear power ok need i say more nuclear people haha capable of nuclear blast nuclear waves ect ect and a big gigantic explosion that could could take out well pretty much anything oh and theres something people arent sure about sylars little weak spot that spot has to be stabed ok pierced but if sylar gets caught in an explosion ect that doesnt work ect stuff like that with his brain it doesnt affect him ok thats what makes him so powerful is that thats pretty much his only weakness and he moved it so people stop saying that you can automatically kill him because you cant ok he can hear whats coming and move aside or he can block it or send it back were it came from blow it up blast it fly heal ect ect ect ok so again people i have to make this clear you cant automatically kill sylar ok i repeat you CANT just had to say that anyway next oh right simple one his power of flight he can fly pretty damm fast even while hovering he has perfect control ok youve all seen how fast the fliers can fly haha im sure i forgot a few powers but anyway not done just yet im sure i forgot the other powers like lie detection and ect ya know he could ask richard WHAT ARE YOU PLANNING TO DO THEN HERES SOMETHING COOL READY COMBINATION OF POWERS WHAT ARE YOU PLANNING TO DO FORCES RICHARD TO ANSWER using his what i call total control ability richard answers there a trap set to go off as soon as you step 5 feet forward TADA ANY OTHER SURPRISES RICHARD SPILLS HIS GUTS SO YEAH JUST HAD TO SAY THAT i know im forgetting something i just know it but im sure someone will mention it ok sylar has so many powers ok so many and he knows how to use them so very good to ok as you guys were calling him rahl will put up a fight but in the end it goes to the guy who wont go down and envoy whatever you said sylar didint have enough of han even if he cant control the same way rahl does doesnt mean he cant still use it am i right just has to touch him and if he does he will get something so i think ive said enough for now huh sylar is always calm because he knows his targets arent that much of a threat but trust me your fighting somebody really fighting them your gonna go all out maybe even just chop richards head right off no warning just chop done anyway so those who think sylar is out think again ok i know rahl is strong ok not saying he aint but in the end it goes to the guy who keeps going and keep throwing out all that muscle nuclear freezeing electricty telekenysis and ECT ECT ECT ok so gonna say it again sylar wins this one after a nice fight netween the two sylar wins so yeah hope you all enjoy my post haha and i always seem to repeat myself again sylar wins haha
February 10, 2010
#43
@copycat
This is not Composite Sylar(there should be one though) this is normal sylar, and about the han, sylar could learn how to control han, but he wouldnt have enough to cause sufficeint damage. Also, put your posts in paragraph form please, it makes it easier to read.
Also, wizard’s fire. In ,y opinion it pales in comparison to a nuke, but how exactly does it work, I read a wiki page on it. It seems to be just a really hot fire, made off addetive magic, how long does it burn, and is its power/duration dependant on rahl’s han levels?
I also read there that Darken Rahl survived this fire, how exactly did this happen?
February 10, 2010
#44
“Also, wizard’s fire. In ,y opinion it pales in comparison to a nuke, but how exactly does it work, I read a wiki page on it. It seems to be just a really hot fire, made off addetive magic, how long does it burn, and is its power/duration dependant on rahl’s han levels?
“I also read there that Darken Rahl survived this fire, how exactly did this happen?”
Wizard’s fire is formed by gathering intense amounts of heat from the world around the wizard and focusing it into a blaze which is further enhanced by magic. It is hotter than any other fire, but its real danger is its tenacity. Wizard’s fire is often thought to be almost alive in its fury to devour anything in its path, and the fire delibately sticks and burns into any target; a drop of wizard’s fire can burn to the bone. A full blast has been known to reduce targets larger than a man to ash in a matter of seconds.
In Darken Rahl’s case, he was not hit full on by wizard’s fire. He was standing next to another person who got hit by a full blast. The person hit was killed instantly, and Darken got nicked by a few sparks from standing too close. He spent the next few months in agony until the burns healed, and was left with a horrific set of burn scars for the rest of his life, but he survived.
February 10, 2010
#45
So, this fre lasts as long as its target is whole then, not good for anyone. But still, magical fire, or nuke. I think sylar could survive it, but the pain would be immense, and it would probably leave him running about, or stuck screaming on the ground.
February 11, 2010
#46
“So, this fre lasts as long as its target is whole then, not good for anyone. But still, magical fire, or nuke. I think sylar could survive it, but the pain would be immense, and it would probably leave him running about, or stuck screaming on the ground.”
I agree. Remember, Darken Rahl only got hit by a few sparks, and spent months screaming in agony. He had to be chained to a wall because if he touched the spots where the Wizard’s Fire had touched it would spread. A blast of Wizard’s Fire may not kill Sylar, but the pain it would cause him would make a Mord-Sith envious…
February 11, 2010
#47
block of txt im now blind and dont remember wat i was gonna say.
February 11, 2010
#48
Are there any precedents for Sylar enduring immense pain and/or putting out fire? If he can’t find a way to stop the sizzling wizard’s fire, he may well be incapacitated by the sheer continuous pain of it, even if he can regenerate.
February 11, 2010
#49
No, I’m pretty sure sylar dosent have any defenses for being lit on fire. Still, he could fly out of the way, or just heal. Adam(the chronologicaly first healer) was reduced to a charred corpse after a gunpowder explosion, he regenerated and lived for the next couple hundred years.
But wouldnt Rahl leave Sylar screaming on the ground if it did hit, there’s no reason for him to actualy try and finish him off, as Rahl assumes that Sylar is dead.
February 11, 2010
#50
“But wouldnt Rahl leave Sylar screaming on the ground if it did hit, there’s no reason for him to actualy try and finish him off, as Rahl assumes that Sylar is dead.”
That’s an interesting point. Because of Sylar’s healing factor, Rahl might be fooled into thinking he was dead and let his guard down, leaving him open to a sudden attack.
On the other hand, Richard has faced beings that are extraordinarily diffcult to kill, such as the Screeling, which survived wizard’s fire and Rahl knew could only be killed by completely pulverizing it, or the Blood Beast, which could regenerate from seemingly any injury and always came back. After facing opponents like those, he might have reason to be more thorough than normal in the extermination of a hostile threat, especially one that(like Sylar) possesses powers Rahl hasn’t encountered before.
February 12, 2010
#51
“or the Blood Beast, which could regenerate from seemingly any injury and always came back.”
How did he beat that thing, subractive magic?
Anyway the wizard’s fire section was just a “what if” , I dont think Rahl could keep up with a flying sylar while being electrocuted. With his supersonic flight I say sylar could end this fight pretty easily. Plus, Rahl seems to have no defense against disintigration and golden transmutation.
February 13, 2010
#52
“How did he beat that thing, subractive magic?”
No, just the opposite. He moved it into the Underworld, where it became a being of pure Subtractive energy, then unleashed an enormous bolt of Additive Magic. The clash of such vast amounts of Additive and Subtractive powers colliding around the beast obliterated it.
February 13, 2010
#53
But where does this leave us? The two have ways to easily kill eachother, and could match some of eachothers powers. I still think sylar would win.
February 14, 2010
#54
yeah like i said sylar is just the kind of guy who wont stop and actually if you think about it how can richard win if sylar goes all out not just using his electricity but like really turning up the juice full power on everything also you do all know sylar has the ability to freeze people and his surroundings so if there are any fire problems im pretty sure the ice can take care of that and well i wrote a very big post up above there listing almost all of sylars powers i know i forgot a few but well again read above oh yeah and sylar could just tell richard to kill himself he just has to say it I WANT YOU TO BURN YOURSELF ALIVE or I WANT YOU TO SLIT YOUT THROAT AND RICHARD WILL DO IT ITS A VERY COOL POWER TO ANYONE WHOS SEEN IT he got this power back in season one by pulling that girl through the glass were he was being held yup pulled her through took her power its a good one to also slyar has gotten very very good at dealing with pain he can take being hurt on a grand scale after all hes survived huge explosions torture being pumped so full of drugs and morphine it would take down a couple elephants and he still managed to overcome that and send people flying he let elle (the girl with electric powers ) zap the hell out of him and i mean damm she just wouldnt stop he just let her she kept zaping and frying him and blasting away over and over and over oh he actually let her he wasnt trying to kill her he just stood there and took it all of it it didint stop him didint kill him didint take him down he took the pain till she was done and sometime after that whole ordeal he got his electric power i could keep going and say how powerful sylar is and how strong he is at taking pain and how he can keep going but i think you all get my point my point being that no matter what you do to him he still gonna keep going and rip your head off or slit your throat and remember something people sylar is gonna go all out and flex his muscles ok so just think of him going all powerful also sylars powers to heal have gotten stronger he heals like nothing now blink of an eye and hes already healed and again alot of people keep mentioning fire he has his freezing ablity very powerful he can fly pretty damm fast just zoom and gone and he can take alot of pain or he could just send the fire back were it came from using telekinesis so he can deal with fire ok in a number of ways i could list them all but i wont or should i? nah i wont hah
but just saying again he wont stop he is the boogieman after all mwuhaha if he wanted he could go nuclear BOOM or just tell him to kill himself with what i call total control or turn him into solid gold or send him flying very high up then just let him splat ohh that would hurt huh
or freeze him or well you get the idea he could do alot of things so yeah sylar wins this one im sure the other guy puts up a fight of course but in the end it goes to sylar so sylar wins
February 14, 2010
#55
The problem is that they both have incredibly lethal weapons that can easily kill each other off. i believe Richard’s powers are more destructive than Sylar, particularly his Subtractive Magic. If Sylar starts flying around, Richard could just put up a Subtractive Shield and send Sylar straight to the Keeper.
by the way, why was The Wizard’s Fire a what if? i think that is a very possible way Richard could destroy Sylar. That is a Wizard’s Bread and Butter spell anyway. And he could not dodge it if Sylar was immobilized by Air Shields. Perhaps he could heal himself he Sylar could think clearly, but under that much pain, no one, not even Darken Rahl, can think clearly.
@copycat
Please use grammar on your next post. It would make it a lot easier to understand what you are trying to say.
February 14, 2010
#56
@copycat
No one here agreed on some sort off composite sylar, so please stop trollin’
@Mazrim
When sylar cranks up his flight speed to supersonic levels I dont think the wind shields will hold, at that speed He’d probbably be to much for rahl to track. The subtractive shields would take out sylar, but before these sheilds take him out, all sylar has to do is look at Rahl, snap his fingers, and rahl turns to dust.
Can one escape the underworld?
February 14, 2010
#57
“Can one escape the underworld?”
Subtractive Magic isn’t just a portal that sends you to the Underworld in one piece. It’s more like a gigantic mouth that devours your body bit by bit and then sh*ts you out in the Keeper’s domain, dead. Get hit by Subtractive Magic in the arm, your arm is gone, but the rest of your body is still alive. Get completely subtracted, and you’re in the Underworld, your body completely destroyed.
Sylar would have a time escaping from there, considering that he’d be only a bodyless spirit trapped in eternal torment. And there’s the problem that no one who has died and gone to the Underworld has ever come back to life.
February 14, 2010
#58
@AHEM
See, i thought since it was said you could make deals with the keeper for subtractive magic, he could get you out if you would work for him, I thought it would be like the GoW underworld, but its not.
February 15, 2010
#59
“See, i thought since it was said you could make deals with the keeper for subtractive magic, he could get you out if you would work for him, I thought it would be like the GoW underworld, but its not.”
You can make deals with him, but you have to be alive to do it. The only occasion where the Keeper has gotten a servant out of the Underworld as anything but a ghost is in Legend of the Seeker, which isn’t canonical, and even then it was only a temporary thing.
February 15, 2010
#60
Still, this is now a case of who does what first, I feel sylar will, with his supersonic reflexes he could disintigrate or wreck rahl, the first to score a fatal wound on the other would be the winner, while I lean towards sylar, I cant say for sure he would win, nor can I say he loses.
February 16, 2010
#61
“Still, this is now a case of who does what first, I feel sylar will, with his supersonic reflexes he could disintigrate or wreck rahl, the first to score a fatal wound on the other would be the winner, while I lean towards sylar, I cant say for sure he would win, nor can I say he loses.”
Yeah, it’s kind of hard to call at this point.
February 16, 2010
#62
“Still, this is now a case of who does what first, I feel sylar will, with his supersonic reflexes he could disintigrate or wreck rahl, the first to score a fatal wound on the other would be the winner, while I lean towards sylar, I cant say for sure he would win, nor can I say he loses.”
Yeah, they both have incredibly destructive abilities that can be used pretty much instananeously. Though I am leaning toward Rahl, I can’t say for certain if he would beat or lost to Sylar.
February 20, 2010
#63
i think i thought up a way for richard to win easy as long as you count sylars powers as magic in richards world it would be magic but if any one recalls this the peoples palace in d’hara is a giant spell that drains every persons magical power and increases a rahls if richard just stayed in the palace grounds and waited as he most definitly could as thier are ample food suplys and gardens aplenty to sustain him and such he could just let sylar come in and waste him then with all the extra power the palace gives him and removes from sylar
February 21, 2010
#64
“i think i thought up a way for richard to win easy as long as you count sylars powers as magic in richards world it would be magic but if any one recalls this the peoples palace in d’hara is a giant spell that drains every persons magical power and increases a rahls if richard just stayed in the palace grounds and waited as he most definitly could as thier are ample food suplys and gardens aplenty to sustain him and such he could just let sylar come in and waste him then with all the extra power the palace gives him and removes from sylar”
The battle is expected to take place in a neutral universe where each character can fight to their full power unless otherwise stated. The fight happening at the People’s Palace would be a biased scenario in favor of Rahl.
February 21, 2010
#65
sylars powers are genetic there is no way they can be counted as magic, and AHEM is correct it would take place in a neutral setting.
March 6, 2010
#66
Rahl shouldn’t have any problem getting the first attack, and that’ll be all it’ll take to win. He could just immobilize Sylar before he can get up to supersonic speeds and then finish him.
March 7, 2010
#67
“Rahl shouldn’t have any problem getting the first attack, and that’ll be all it’ll take to win. He could just immobilize Sylar before he can get up to supersonic speeds and then finish him.”
Of course, that would bring up the specifics of how their powers would interact. Would Sylar be able to accelerate to supersonic speeds even if he was being held still, and “break out”? If the air around him is hardened, breaking out of it would be basically the same as hitting concrete at supersonic speeds and breaking through it. Sylar’s healing factor should have him covered, but it could be a fatal distraction to take momentary heavy injuries.