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I can’t believe this match hasn’t been posted earlier. I know we use the phrase “epic” alot, but I think this match clearly is in that realm.
Where to start? No matter where it the battles take place, I think Hulk starts with the advantage. As time goes by Superman would eventually be able to determine what to do in order to slow Hulk down.
In the end, I think Supes gets the victory – what do you think?
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November 9, 2009
#1
@Zeppher
On the right hand side of the web page, above the “top post” and “poll” section, you should see a section titled “Heads up”. On there, is a link called “Battle request” which should lead you to the page on how to request a match. Hope that helps mate.
- the pondering fool
December 3, 2009
#2
“You sorta wonder how, someone that strong, does not break a pencil or keyboard when typing up a story for the Daily Planet…..anyway, doesn’t Supes always hold back from using all of his strength? Not to say he would lose this match (I am voting for him to receive the Factpile award), but I don’t believe he would intentionally unleash sextillion ton blows against the Hulk.”
This is a common misconception about super-strength.
In real life, picture an olympic athlete who can lift 2-3 times their body weight, a peak human. They can lift hundreds of pounds, yet they still have the ability to pick up a caterpillar or handle paper without destroying it. Why? Because they can control how much pressure they apply to an object and whether they want to bring a significant portion of their strength to bear. A good examination of this sort of thing can be found here:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DoesNotKnowHisOwnStrength
Anyway, yes, Superman does hold back his strength.(He has to in order to interact with something without smashing it.) He only really shows his true strength when he needs a lot of it; the rest of the time, its there but he doesn’t unleash it. This isn’t due to him being incapable of unleashing it, but rather because of him learning to be cautious with his strength and to keep it in check unless he needs it.
That’s really one of the biggest drawbacks of Superman as a character to me. He rarely, if ever, uses his powers to their full potential. No one would last a nanosecond against him if he didn’t. If we’re assuming he’s in this match to win, though, that wouldn’t be much of a problem. If he absolutely had to take out Hulk, e.g. “kill or subdue the Hulk or the universe will be destroyed” then we’d start seeing some epic strength real quick.
December 7, 2009
#3
okay im not the biggest dc fan so if i am wrong please forgive me
but was superman retconned in the infinite crisis matter, which severly cut back his power, i mean otherwise instead of his titanic fight with doomsday, he would have used incredible super strength to flick doomsday in the chin sending him to the ends of the universe.
so in his current form his strength is greater than base level hulk but not by planet moving levels, i mean he still has FTL giving him the edge.
December 8, 2009
#4
“but was superman retconned in the infinite crisis matter, which severly cut back his power, i mean otherwise instead of his titanic fight with doomsday, he would have used incredible super strength to flick doomsday in the chin sending him to the ends of the universe.
so in his current form his strength is greater than base level hulk but not by planet moving levels, i mean he still has FTL giving him the edge.”
Superman’s powers were indeed cut back quite a bit post-crisis to make the character less invincible, but they have gone back up since, not quite to silver/bronze age levels, but still enough to move/shatter planets and move FTL.
In any case, it wouldn’t really matter if it was Pre-Crisis Superman or modern Superman; they both have too much speed and strength for the Hulk to possibly compete against; by the time his strength would have reached even a fraction of Superman’s, he would be pummeled to death a hundred times over. Hulk would need to be Green Scar just to stalemate a being of Superman’s level.
December 8, 2009
#5
Factpile award for Superman?
December 9, 2009
#6
“Factpile award for Superman?”
Yup.
Looks like we have four nominations for Supes now.
December 9, 2009
#7
I nominate Superman, since hulk can just grow to infinite strength in 2 seconds.
January 5, 2010
#8
I second that notion. Factpile award for Superman.
- pf
January 5, 2010
#9
This is a Superman victory
January 5, 2010
#10
i wanted the hulk to win but i was proved wrong a while a go so supes for the factpile
February 11, 2010
#11
YOU ARE ALL WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, hulk can lift 150 billion tons with ease and hulk basically is indestructable, and for you people that do the whole”kill him as banner” thing are incorrect, Bruce banner shot himself in the mouth and instead of dying he turned into the hulk. doomsday killed superman without magic or kryptonite so it is clear that enough brawn can kill superman. hulk is obviously stronger than doomsday.
February 14, 2010
#12
if it was green scar(modern hulk) vs modern superman, green scar would easily win. If it was green scar vs superman prime, idk maybe prime. But it usually it depends on the situation, so it could be either. I nominate both for epic factpile award
February 14, 2010
#13
“YOU ARE ALL WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, hulk can lift 150 billion tons with ease and hulk basically is indestructable, and for you people that do the whole”kill him as banner” thing are incorrect, Bruce banner shot himself in the mouth and instead of dying he turned into the hulk. doomsday killed superman without magic or kryptonite so it is clear that enough brawn can kill superman. hulk is obviously stronger than doomsday.”
Have you read my previous posts? Hulk cannot lift 150 billion tons with ease, not at base strength anyway. He starts with a base strength of lifting about 100 tons(give or take 30 based on version of Hulk), and then gains strength with anger over time. He can eventually reach the level of strength where he can lift 150 billion tons with ease, but not in a few seconds flat, and definitely before Superman speedblitz him at FTL speeds. There are also numerous instances where the Hulk has been injured or damaged; he is not indestructible, just very tough, and gains endurance as he gains strength, with the increase of anger.
And even if Hulk could lift 150 billions tons, Superman and Doomsday both have the raw strength to move/lift/shatter entire planets on physical strength alone. Know how much the Earth weighs? 6 sextillion metric tons. Sextillion > quintillion > quadrillion > trillion > billion.
Superman for the win.
February 14, 2010
#14
“doomsday killed superman without magic or kryptonite so it is clear that enough brawn can kill superman. hulk is obviously stronger than doomsday.”
BTW, thought I’d mention this. Doomsday is a Kryptonian/was created on Krypton. Superman is explicitly vulnerable to other sons of Krypton; they can harm him with sheer force. Hulk, no matter how strong he is, is not a Kryptonian.
February 14, 2010
#15
People keep talking about hulks regeneration/indestructibility, but what would happen if superman flung him into the sun or a black hole?
February 14, 2010
#16
“People keep talking about hulks regeneration/indestructibility, but what would happen if superman flung him into the sun or a black hole?”
I’m pretty sure Hulk has withstood solar temperatures before, but I don’t think black holes.
Anyway, that’s hardly necessary. +1,000,000 punches hitting at FTL speeds from a pair of planet crushing fists delivered in the span of a second, before Hulk can even lift his arms, is more than enough force to put the Hulk down.
C’mon, win for Supes! Eight nominations!
February 14, 2010
#17
“I’m pretty sure Hulk has withstood solar temperatures before, but I don’t think black holes.”
Even if he’s withstood solar temperatures in the past, actually being IN the sun is different entirely. The raging heat constantly around him would incinerate him as/faster than he regenerates, so it would probably put him down. But as you said, it’s kind of a moot point because thousands of FTL planet busting punches in the space of a second should probably drop him for good.
February 15, 2010
#18
“I’m pretty sure Hulk has withstood solar temperatures before, but I don’t think black holes.”
Actually, didnt he wrestle with a black hole’s core, and escape one? But I also read that it wasnt the cannon hulk,so uh, I guess thats moot.
February 15, 2010
#19
“Actually, didnt he wrestle with a black hole’s core, and escape one? But I also read that it wasnt the cannon hulk,so uh, I guess thats moot.”
I seriously doubt even the hulk could withstand gravity capable of bending light, tearing matter apart on the atomic level, and creating a hole in space-time.
February 15, 2010
#20
Thats what I thought, you know he did clap a dimension out off existance…
February 15, 2010
#21
“Thats what I thought, you know he did clap a dimension out off existance…”
That’s why I never trust comic book writers. NO amount of muscle could do that.
February 15, 2010
#22
Hulk muscle can, didnt you know that?
February 15, 2010
#23
please don’t make me get into the physics. I seriously doubt hulk slapping his hands together would create a bigger shock-wave than an exploding supernova.
February 16, 2010
#24
“Actually, didnt he wrestle with a black hole’s core, and escape one? But I also read that it wasnt the cannon hulk,so uh, I guess thats moot.”
Escaping the pull of a black hole violates the laws of physics and spacetime. It is completely and totally impossible to escape a black hole, regardless of how much power you put into it. A black hole distorts spacetime around it; once you pass beyond the event horizon of a black hole, it doesn’t matter how you struggle. Whatever direction in space you move your body in will take you further into the black hole, never away from it. Unless you have the power to warp time and space and can also withstand a near-infinite amount of gravity, escaping from a black hole is just silliness on the part of the writers.
February 16, 2010
#25
“Escaping the pull of a black hole violates the laws of physics and spacetime. Unless you have the power to warp time and space and can also withstand a near-infinite amount of gravity, escaping from a black hole is just silliness on the part of the writers.”
Couldn’t the same thing be said about Superman accelerating to FTL speeds?
February 16, 2010
#26
Anyway, that’s hardly necessary. +1,000,000 punches hitting at FTL speeds from a pair of planet crushing fists delivered in the span of a second, before Hulk can even lift his arms, is more than enough force to put the Hulk down.
This the modern incarnation of hulk we are talkin about(green scar), he took on all the Avengers by himself, and the whole world with a small army of aliens. He even took down Sentry which he is actually as fast and almost strong as supes, if he took down sentry, you think supes we be any different. Unless its the older regular green hulk or grey hulk, then supes doesnt win this one. If Banner was out of the hulk, he would be unstoppable. Imagine what would happen if the love of his life died. You think he would change back to banner so easily. Not really but I would tell by the fight between thses modern incarnations that supes would give hulk a good fight, like doomsday on a lesser scale.
Anyways I vote hulk for factpile award.
February 18, 2010
#27
This needs to be finished, and I think that after judging what other people have said Superman is deserving of the Factpile award.
February 19, 2010
#28
@Mr. Snuggles
“Anyways I vote hulk for factpile award.”
Uhm, where do you have the evidence to even show that Hulk would surely defeat Supes, in such a way to deserve the Factpile award? Unless it is a typo…
- pf
February 19, 2010
#29
“He even took down Sentry which he is actually as fast and almost strong as supes”
I highly doubt this. I’ve seen scans of Superman traveling huge distances in within the galaxy near instantly ( which makes him ridiculously FTL ), yet the best speed feat I’ve heard from Sentry is when he traveled from the Earth to the Sun in minutes ( which makes him barely FTL if at all ).
AFAIK, Hulk has never faced anybody as fast as Supes.
February 22, 2010
#30
“Couldn’t the same thing be said about Superman accelerating to FTL speeds?”
I suppose, since achieving FTL speeds just by pumping sheer power into it is technically impossible as well, as the increase in mass as an object accelerates would result in it requiring ever-increasing amounts of energy as it approaches the speed of light. However, FTL speed is a bit more of an acceptable break from reality, and at least it is usually defined as an explicit ability of Superman’s powers to bypass the traditional limitation of the speed of light within a physical universe, rather than him just doing it with sheer muscle power.
February 23, 2010
#31
This is always going 2 b an Epic battle between these two, eventhough after 3 meets Supes lead the series 2-1. Everyone overlooks the main reason supes has the edge over hulk, & its the same reason a Ali in his prime, would defeat a Tyson in his prime, other then supes fan base, its The Intelligence factor. Its not because supes has more powers then hulk, cause supes other powers wouldnt make a difference anyway, supes is smarter then hulk. When supes defeated hulk in there first meet, he could see & feel that hulk’s strength was increasing,now even though he let hulk punch on him, he knew he better defeat hulk b4 he reached the 100ton. or beyond mark & after he beat hulk when hulk only reached the 80ton.mark, while he was flying away he said he never faced a mortal that strong b4 & that if he got any stronger he might not have been able 2 defeat him. now that comes from supes mouth himself! Second fight supes basically did the samething, he knocked hulk out early b4 his strength could increase. The meet when hulk won, I dont know 2 much about, except hulk supposedly defeated supes even though supes had spiderman help. Just 2 mention, Stan Lee himself stated that supes couldnt match up 2 hulk on a physical strength level alone in a fight, so supes need all of his powers & the sun just 2 even compete agaisnt guys like hulk & doomsday. My pick is Supes with the win in a short fight, but in a long fight it would have 2 b Hulk. As 4 Sentry & WWH supes or anybody else in DC does not even want 2 c them dudes!
February 25, 2010
#32
If this fight did last, lets say, for a hour or so, Hulk would, by then, be able to have been pissed off enough that Superman would not be able to finish off Bruce Banner. Unfortunately, what the Hulk needs is time, time to get pissed and strengthen himself further as the fight progress. Sadly, his opponent’s base strength far exceeds the Hulk’s own base strength, plus with the ability to move faster than the speed of light, Banner will not be lasting for a few minutes…..
- pf
February 26, 2010
#33
If it’s Devil Hulk, this battle ends with a Gamma-ray powered T-bag straight into Earth’s core.
February 26, 2010
#34
back to the thing about physics. the thing I like about science is that its ever changing todays facts are tomorrows WTFs. in theory Supes(being massively FTL ) could escape the event horizon of a black hole and most of the properties of a black hole are theoretical quantuam physics. where the properties could be localized time in your perspective is really fast. sec=years and such, or time travel by circumnavigating the event horizon to worm holes. so when it comes to Black holes and such currently outside human comprehending nothing is proven yet nothing is unproven.
science is the greatest thing man ever invented, im not saying the worst.
February 26, 2010
#35
“If this fight did last, lets say, for a hour or so, Hulk would, by then, be able to have been pissed off enough that Superman would not be able to finish off Bruce Banner. Unfortunately, what the Hulk needs is time, time to get pissed and strengthen himself further as the fight progress. Sadly, his opponent’s base strength far exceeds the Hulk’s own base strength, plus with the ability to move faster than the speed of light, Banner will not be lasting for a few minutes…..”
For Hulk to reach planet-moving levels of strength within an hour, he would have to be gaining strength by orders of between one and two quintillion tons of lifting capacity every second, and by over a hundred quintillion tons every minute. Such a ratio is ridiculously out of proportion with the Hulk’s base strength, which is a mere 100 tons. Getting up to that level of strength in hours is stretching it, in my opinion, unless his anger is really really really really really extreme in this case, and you have to wonder what Supes did to get him into it.
Anyway, even if Hulk could reach planet-moving strength in ten seconds of time wouldn’t be enough to beat Supes if he attacks at FTL. Just going at lightspeed and having reflexes to match would mean he’d be able to perceive individual nanoseconds(light travels twelve inches in one nanosecond), and going massively faster than light would mean even faster reflexes. He would quite literally have millions and millions and millions of seconds for every single second the Hulk has to react. Forget minutes, the Hulk wouldn’t last half a second against such an assault.
February 27, 2010
#36
@AHEM
What would be really interesting would be how Hulk took on the Flash. Flash is credited to move faster than the Man of Steel, and does have his Infinite Mass punch:
“Infinite Mass Punch: Traveling near the speed of light acquired the relativistic mass of such speed to impart blows which could hit with a force greater than that of “a white dwarf star”, Flash’s own durability regulated by the Speed Force in such cases. Realistic effects take over as a body approaches light-speed (His control over his powers and the Speed Force is so great, that he can choose to ignore this realistic effects if he wishes too.). Visual input will begin to blueshift and his body’s mass will increase towards infinity. With this ability, he was able to knock out a martian as durable/tough as Superman from Mount Rushmore to the plains of Africa, all with one punch. ”
- http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Wallace_West_%28New_Earth%29
Would be one hell of a match, a pissed off green man trying to catch a FTL red-spandex clothed man.
- pondering fool
March 1, 2010
#37
about right superman has an even advantage on hulk . hulk can get angrier as he wants but i feel that even gamma radiation in his body has a limit
March 4, 2010
#38
“Would be one hell of a match, a pissed off green man trying to catch a FTL red-spandex clothed man.”
I would see that as going down pretty similar to this match. Given the Flash’s absolutely insane maneuverability and speed, the Hulk probably wouldn’t be able to pull a punch before getting speedblitzed down to his atoms. But maybe we should wait until there’s an actual thread for that.
March 5, 2010
#39
“I would see that as going down pretty similar to this match. Given the Flash’s absolutely insane maneuverability and speed, the Hulk probably wouldn’t be able to pull a punch before getting speedblitzed down to his atoms. But maybe we should wait until there’s an actual thread for that.”
I have requested Admin, but he is a busy man these days. Guess it will only do to be patient and hope.
- pf
March 6, 2010
#40
For all the speculation of superman being able to move planets and moving at the speed of light, first on strength and durability; superman has been delt significant damage from guys like mongul and doomsday, both of whom are weaker than the hulk especially WWH. His infinite speed and strength didnt put them out in a nanosecond. He can have all the speed in the world, doesnt mean he can react superfast. You can have the fastest car on the track but if you cant react fast enough or youre thought process is too slow, then youre going to hit obsticles or get hit in supermans case. Bottom line hulk has looked more dominant in the comics than superman has. On theory Superman may be more powerful but I’m just going by what I see.
March 6, 2010
#41
First look at this match:
I say Hulk will win because he has infinite strength capacity. This will be to the death and Hulk is shown to have increased regenerative ablities as he gets angrier.He will basically regenerate and come back if he keeps getting attacked. He is able to do the impossible because of this factor. He has infinite strength and Superman has a limit for his strength.Hulk for Fp.
March 7, 2010
#42
Bruce Banner can turn into WorldBreaker hulk in seconds now a days, meaning he already has a lot of power meaning that Hulk has Superman screwed from the start, since he is laready smart and pretty strong. IF you guys think that isnt enough, he destroyed a asteroid twice the earth’s size and reconnected a fault between continents. Sure supermans feats are impressive but he has a limit while hulk does not and also hulk has a better healing factor than supes so unlike superman with his own limits hulk has none and will try to utterly destroy superman and will win unless superman goes full power really early right when he transforms or else he is screwed.