UNIVERSE WARS!
A great suggestion from Mecha bob, We’re introducing a new series where the entire universe in regards to a franchise will be matched up against another great franchise – to determine the ultimate winner.
To kick things off, we’re going to start with one my all time favorite PC games, Starcraft. And YES, I’ve already reserved my copy of Starcraft 2. ANYWAYS – I think for the most part these two franchises are equal with one exception: The Halos.
Those are the gamebreakers and ultimately would be the weapon that can end the battle.
How do you think this clash would turn out?





August 20, 2008
#1
fist post zurg more evil than the flood protos more advace than the covernet and the taren or ued (humen) more advace than halo humans
and all are more powerful halos get nuked by ghosts and game over for halo
August 20, 2008
#2
using the halos are a stupid tactic as it would destroy all teh halo people as well….
Star craft has far more veriaty than the Halo universe in terms of types of unit I give this one to them
August 20, 2008
#3
Well Devil you’re half right, they could evacuate the the humans to the Shield World throught the Ark wich is conveniently located on Earth, then remote detonate the rings from there.
August 20, 2008
#4
Admin, I have a question. Is this the war torn Halo Universe where most of human civillization has already been destroyed or pre-human/covenant war? If it is pre-war are we assuming the Covenant and Flood are still in the fight just for the sake of argument?
August 20, 2008
#5
I’d say for this argument it has to be the universe in which the video games reflect – and since Halo Wars hasn’t been released yet, it puts the ‘Halo’verse set from the original Halo game up through Halo 3.
Make sense?
August 20, 2008
#6
Yes it does, in that case. StarCraft most likely wins by massively outnumbering the Halo universe
August 20, 2008
#7
wode they be a big figh on earth cos
the ued live thire so wode they be two plants called earth
August 20, 2008
#8
oh my two favorite sci fi series.
i know more about starcraft units so it goes to them.
it would be a nice fight though
August 20, 2008
#9
Well, seeing as the weakest units of the humans in StarCraft (Terran Marines) are probably on par with masterchief (probably not as smart or strong as masterchief, but have better armour, and much more powerful weapons [Gauss guns, which in Halo terms, would be like a battle rifle rapidly firing ammo more powerful as the sniper rifle]).
The Flood are only really effective when they’ve infected large numbers of sentient life form, but the Zerg don’t have independent though (i.e. aren’t sentient), so unless the Flood break through the Zerg forces, and infect a cerebrate, they wont be able to do much.
And I don’t think I even need to mention the Protoss.
The only way the Halo armies might have a chance, is if they all join forces, and attack just one of the SC forces, before the other SC forces help, but that’s not likely to happen.
For example, if the Covenant and Halo Humans work together to sneak (or fight their way in) a few Floods in through the Zerg forces, and take over some cerebrates, then they’d have control of some of the Zerg army, and if they Flood-capture all the cerebrates, then they’ll have control of all the Zerg (assuming the Cerebrates don’t have an amazing immune system).
The with the Zerg on their side, they could probably take on one of the other StarCraft races (but not both), which they can use to feed the Flood, in order to take out the last StarCraft race.
It’s an incredibly long shot, and probably wont work.
StarCraft for the win!
Also, I think the Xel’naga temple can probably protect the StarCraft forces from the effect of the Halos, or some other Xel’naga tech.
It’s even possible that the Protoss could withstand it (especially with the abilities of the arbiters).
Archons could probably survive it as well, seeing as they’re energy, rather than biological lifeforms.
Also, if the Halos just create a shockwave, then the vessels of Starcraft can just warp past the shockwave.
August 21, 2008
#10
The Rings blast isnt limited to just are realm it passes through Slipspace as well, so theres no evasion of it. The Forerunner thought of that. Plus we have no idea if its “just a shock wave” or not. As far as the game series goes it hasent be set off yet. All we know is it kills all sentient life in the galaxy, so far theres no if and or buts about it. You just die
August 21, 2008
#11
There are many if and or buts about it.
The shield worlds show that there is escaping it.
The Protoss probably have a way to protect all of their units, especially with the abilities of the arbiters.
The Zerg aren’t exactly that sentient, so they’ll be more or less unaffected.
It doesn’t look too good for the terrans though, although they may end up destroying the Halo’s (or capturing them) before they get a chance to be activated (as the Halo forces are only going to activate them as a last resort).
August 21, 2008
#12
First of all it destroy everything in our galaxy, the shield world is not in our Galaxy, thats how its protected. If you remember the start of the level when you first get to the shield world, you’ll here one of the soldiers say something like “Is that what I think it is?” If you look up you can see the Milky Way, which is our galaxy.
August 21, 2008
#13
the elites could win in space combat. being master tacticians and all
August 21, 2008
#14
Not to mention the Rings were designed to destroy the Flood which are also beieved to possess a hive mind like the Zerg. So of course it can kill them. Oh and they can be set off remotely from the Shield World, you dont have to go to each individual ring.
Damn I’m a geek. I’ve never realized it till just now either. **shakes head** I’m a Contractor for gods sake, how did I end up like this?
August 22, 2008
#15
all 3 starcraft races have invisabe trops and interspace travel yes the zurg can go in to space
August 22, 2008
#16
the zerg havemide can oley die by the hands of a dark teplra so halo can not win the war
August 22, 2008
#17
no halo rings in the starcraft unvers so how will they work they dont
August 22, 2008
#18
You’re thinking of the Ark, not the shield worlds.
And we don’t know exactly how the rings destroy sentient life, so saying that it can destroy everything with no way to defend against i is pure conjecture unless you have evidence to support your argument.
And where did you get the idea that it would also effect things in slipspace?
And if the rings could destroy the Zerg, then the flood wouldn’t be in any of the Halo games, because they would have all be destroyed when all the rings were first activated (100′000 years ago). But seeing as the Flood survived, the Zerg would easily be able to do so as well.
And although the Zerg cerebrates can be killed, they can come back to life again almost instantly.
The Zerg and Protoss are going to be fine against the effects of the rings, so what are the Halo forces going to do against it?
They wont have time to retreat all of their forces to the ark and shield worlds before the StarCraft races notice, so activating the Halo array will destroy most of their forces, and what remains wont be anywhere near as powerful as the Zerg and Protoss forces that survive.
August 22, 2008
#19
The idea here is to blend the two universes, whatever Halo has it still has in this fight. Whatever StarCraft has, it still has in this fight. In the Halo universe the rings destroy everything, in this combined universe, they will still destoy everything.
August 22, 2008
#20
Well in any case no matter what you say you aren’t capable of swaying my opinions about the rings destroying everything, but that beside the point. To be honest I don’t think they would have the chance to use the rings. Even if they did and wiped out all of the StarCraft people and creatures, it’s still mostly a loss because like 85ish% of the halo universe would be wiped out.
and that would suck.
August 22, 2008
#21
Your ‘combined universe’ argument works both ways though, in the StarCraft universe cerebrates can only be killed by he energy of the dark templar, so in the combined universe they can only be killed by the energy of the dark templar.
And even in the Halo universe, the rings don’t destroy everything, seeing as the Flood are still alive after the first activation of the ring.
An if the ark is safe because it’s out of range, then warp space would also be safe, as it’s not even in he same dimension (which is also how the shields worlds can survive).
August 23, 2008
#22
in the game the xel,naga can escape space and time it,s self so xel,naga can just come back if the other sc racers are killed by halo
September 3, 2008
#23
The flood survived because they where prisoned in each of the halo rings ,so
September 4, 2008
#24
Well obviously starcraft would win, the Protoss are more advanced and powerful than the convernant, The Zerg would own the humans and if Protoss and the Terrans have planet destorying abilitys be a quick war
September 4, 2008
#25
[quote] planet destorying abilitys [/quote]
That raises a good point,
-The covenant have glassing, which takes hours, and a small fleet.
-The Protoss have a weapon that can raze a planet in one, seconds-long, shot.
October 3, 2008
#26
Star craft sucks
October 11, 2008
#27
someone enlighten me and tell me what starcraft is
October 14, 2008
#28
Well its a computer game… just look it up on wikipedia
October 15, 2008
#29
i dont even feel like saying anything more then starcraft is a cheap ripoff of 40k…i have never even looked up starcraft (well mabey once or twice) but i dont really care for it but if the whatever
October 16, 2008
#30
Warhammer came from Starship Troopers, Warhammer 40k is a revamp of Warhammer, Alien versus Predator came from this, which in turn inspired the Starcraft games, which then led to the creation of the Warcraft universe, which became the inspiration for the Marathon series which Bungie recreated as Halo.
Halo must be the biggest, cheapest ripoff of the lot then.
October 16, 2008
#31
yeah L-W i see more star wars in halo then alot…(marines almost look like a rebel soilder if you modifie them a little- brute wookie ha no diffrence…and even master cehif if you modifie him alot looks like boba fett…(but that one is debatable saying you have to modifie him alot…) but there are still many points them being alot the same…but thats beside the point…
but im not sure how long starship trooper is but i know 40k is old but i will trust your statment that star ship troopers was first as i have no hell in a way to bck me up…
October 21, 2008
#32
I give this to Starcraft because Starcraft has the protoss which are more advanced than the Covenant and Humans by far.
October 23, 2008
#33
well after reading how easily they can destroy a planet they can keep using it on all halo worlds until halo universe is a empty shell and the zerg would destroy there ships
November 9, 2008
#34
good fight SC rines would pwn halo rines and the fact that toss is more smart than covenant is just stupid (that means you galen marek) think about it- the toss got ran off their own planet by stupid zerg so uh that was jus a dumb point you pointed. and about the fact that starship troopers made warhammer, you are another idiot(L-W) books on warhammer were made in the 80’s starship troopers in 98. also grunts in starship troopers look like WH40k IG not the other way around. also tyranids were the original sinister dumb alien race SC took zerg from WH40k.
anyway, choppers vs vultures would be the best ground brawl every one else would be a weak fight zerg pwns flood because they have more diverse units, elites and honor guard vs zealots and Dts is another great fight but goons and reavers would take out any and all armor covenant would use. terran vs halo humans would be just sad for halo humans, SC rines have crazy heavy armor and only spartans could handle them but spartans are in short supply and ghosts would priortize spartans to the top of their hit lists.the only great fights between the 2 worlds would be their air showdowns
November 9, 2008
#35
the flood cantake on the zerg, the elites, hunters and high ranking brutes can take the protos, while the humans, grunts, jackals,and low ranking brutes fight the terrans. if they fought it out this way halo would win. oh……plus the sentinals can overwhelm everything cus of there high productuion speed. justin case the halo universe loses MC can activate the halos.
how about Halo universe vs the Gears of War universe
November 9, 2008
#36
DizOner:
Starship Troopers is a science fiction novel by Robert A. Heinlein and was first published in 1959.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers
…1959.
Man, your stupidity must feel so overwhelming right now. Damn, I’m surprised you can even breathe, let alone attempt to form coherent sentences after that third degree burn I gave you.
November 10, 2008
#37
“Warhammer came from Starship Troopers, Warhammer 40k is a revamp of Warhammer, Alien versus Predator came from this, which in turn inspired the Starcraft games, which then led to the creation of the Warcraft universe, which became the inspiration for the Marathon series which Bungie recreated as Halo.”
I deffinitley see the logic, and the chonologic order of most of your statement witht exception of the first. I simply dont see ANY Starship Troopers in Warhammer (Fantasy). I always thought it was more influenced by Middle-Earth.
What relation is there to the SST novel?
November 10, 2008
#38
Starship Troopers became the staple for the entire concept of the Warhammer caste; and practically every other science-fiction story created thereafter. To deny it is so deny every other piece of literature that followed.
Although if you read what I actually said, then you know what I mean when I say revamp. Starship Troopers became the influence for the 40K modcop, the concept of which existed befor the Warhammer fantasy setting which was a later edition to the White Dwarf series. It was not until later in the series did they divide the game between Fantasy and 40K, although originally it was a hybrid and not a seperate gaming series.
February 25, 2009
#39
the forerunners will take out starcraft like a joke so suck my balls starcraft .so your saying the covenant , unsc,the flood ,the elites ,and the forerunners cant beat starcraft .u guys must be on some serious doughp or something like that.halo wins . plus starcraft just compleatly sucks.
April 18, 2009
#40
This is easy for Starcraft.
Protoss ships can crack planets apart and have better soldiers. I doubt the flood can do anything to the Zerg due to the fact that they are under control by Kerigan or the Overmind depending on the timeline, and since the overmind can resurrect cerebrates, I believe that if a mental fight happend between the Gravemind and the Overmind on who controls what(flood infested zerg or zerg infested flood), the Overmind would win. Im not sure about Kerrigan though. The Yamato canon is more powerful than MAC rounds since one Yamato shot destroys battlecruisers.
Also, the terrans have vehicles and such that could handle Covenant and UNSC vehicles. If they wanted to avoid being glassed by the Covenant, they could always set a base on one of the Halos.
April 28, 2009
#41
first of halo is completely original so that halo being a ripoff goes out the window name one thing that remotley resembles anything halo
the flood are already numbering in the zillions and have an unknown homeworld with a handfull of graveminds herding them and speaking through them so the flood would eventually overcome the zerg and terran would have a run for their money in their naval battles with the covenant and if all else fails and the halo universe gets overpowered they’ll pile on the ark and fire the halos since the ark was made to protect several species from the ring firing the protoss might find a way to survive but then it will be 4 races against one if were including forunners
April 28, 2009
#42
Starship Troopers became the staple for the entire concept of the Warhammer caste; and practically every other science-fiction story created thereafter.
if I recall warhammer isn’t copy at least the board game isn’t which actually came a bit before starship troopers and the tyranids are nothing like the aracnid warriors just because there a hive so what alot of alien parasites are hive based just because starship troopers was the first doesn’t mean everything else that includes a hive based alien and an earth force is a copy belive what you want but most video games are original
October 13, 2009
#43
Wow I’m so surprised this fight hasn’t been discussed more than this. It’s one of the best and closest universe fights on the site and it deserves far more more comments then it’s got at the moment.
November 8, 2009
#44
Actually, it itsn’t too close. The Terrans do have planet-busting weapons and other military baddies. Plus the battle on land is definitely a curb stomp.
November 24, 2009
#45
I’m in favor of the SC team halo is gonna get pwned…
December 4, 2009
#46
Considering the immense difference in tech between the two, I have to say this one goes to SC. And from what I’ve seen and heard about how the Flood infects beings, they be screwed against the Zerg.
December 20, 2009
#47
There must be a reason why L-W took so long to strike this post.
I go with Starcraft.
February 11, 2010
#48
Under current factpile forum rules we have to take the most current incarnation so seeins as both the Xel’naga and the Forerunners are dead then they have no say in this fight. The wording is a bit unclear to me so if I could get clearification I would appreciate it. Though, even if we do include the Xel’naga and the Forerunners we never actually see the full capabilities of either so both are at this time unquantifiable and any capabilities they would have are purely conjecture and cannot actually be verified.
Now on the StarCraft side we two mechanicle based technology groups, the Protoss and the Terrans. While the tech of both have comparable counterparts within the Halo series, both the Terrans and the Protoss have tech that would prove troublesome for the Halo team. The Terrans and the Protoss both have the abilitie to disable enemy ships/units in some fashion, the Terrans with either the Science Vessel’s EMP wave or the Ghost’s Lockdown ability, and the Protoss with the Arbiter’s Stasis ability. Now while both the Star Craft groups and the Halo groups have cloaking abilities all three Star Craft races have the capability to detect and defend against cloaked enemies, something that the Halo races are not shown to have.
The Halo and the Star Craft universes, also have races that are both far more base upon biotechnology, the Flood and the Zerg respectively. Now while both gain units by the infestation and mutation of DNA they both go about this very differently. While the Flood have to reinfect new hosts and are unable to actually produce combat units with the use of a host, the Zerg are not so limited. While the Zerg are unable to instantly take a species DNA and will beable to use it instantaneously, as seen with Infested Terrans, they are able to store and work with it to the point where they are eventually able to produce the various combat and support species with out having to constantly recapture that base species, such as Zerglings, Hydralisks, etc. The Zerg unlike their Halo counterparts are also capable of FTL flight by themselves and are not limited by the FTL capable ships that they are able to capture.
All three Star Craft species are also capable of psionic abilities to some degree. The Halo race do not have anything within their arsenals that would be comparable to the powers the likes seen by Ghosts, HIgh Templar, etc. Halo would not have any defense against this, especially the mind control capabilities of the Dark Archons or character like Kerrigan.
The Star Craft team are also more likely and capable of working with each other to fight a common enemy. The Star Craft games show the various races working together at some point or another in order to combat a foe when previously they were sworn enemies, see StarCraft Brood Wars: UED Invasion. While this is shown within the Halo series I would argue that the Loyalist Covenant forces conrolled by the Prophets would never join forces with humans because unlike the forces within SC there is an ideological drive behind the LC forces hatred for the Halo humans that is not seen in SC, and history as proven constantly the people who have some sort of ideology behind their behavior they are less likely to go against that behavior even to the point of preferring annhialtion to surrendering that belief.
The only thing that I see the Halo team having would be the Halo rings and I only see that as a very last ditch effort that would more than likely cause the destruction of both teams. Before that however, let’s look at the mechanics behind the HR. From what we have been shown the individual HR have a range limit of 25,000 light-years and do not effect things within slipspace. This allows two defences against the ocurrance of the HR array’s activation, escape into slipspace, or the destruction of an instilation, both of which would not be difficult for the SC races to accomplish. Though I think this would be moot because the Halo races have as much to lose by the activation of the HR as the SC races would , even if the forces that activated the rings were spared the effects they would soon find that the rest of their species has been wiped out.
Also no fandom can claim complete originality, everything borrows from something.
February 17, 2010
#49
“While the Zerg are unable to instantly take a species DNA”
That’s not accurate, while the Flood can infect a person in a few seconds ( for the sake of argument, lets say 3) the Zerg can do it in about, from what I know of SC lore I’d estimate it at 5-7 seconds. And as soon as the Zerg has infested a new person, the get the DNA right away and are able to fully manipulate it to there whims, for reference check the SC novel “Shadow of the Xel’naga”, where the Zerg infest what the Terrans are using as a large dog, completely converting it into the ideal killing machine.