I see Star Wars winning this easily, unless someone can make a good argument
for Star Trek like the Q.

if star wars has won against halo then sw will win against st easily.

Its seems that star wars takes it because of their size,diversity,and sear agresion. Not to mention the forces amazing abilitys and super star destroyers such as the Eclipse.

You underestimate the Star Trek universe, for they do have an awful lot of races uniting;

Aaamazzarite
Acamarian
Aenar
Akaali
Akritirian
Aksani
Alcyone
Aldean
Algolian
Alkian
Allasomorph
Alsuran
Andorian
Android
Angosian
Ankari
Annari
Antaran
Antarian
Antedean
Antican
Arbazan
Arcadian
Ardanan
Arcturian
Argala
Argelian
Argosian
Argrathi
Arkarian
Arkonian
Arrithean
Axanar
B’Saari
B’omar
Ba’ku
Ba’neth
Bajoran
Bandi
Banean
Bara Plenum
Barkonian
Barolian
Barzan
Benkaran
Benthan
Benzenite
Benzite
Berellian
Betazoid
Betelgeusian
Biomimetic lifeform
Bolian
Boraalan
Boray
Borg
Boslic
Botha
Breen
Brekkian
Brenari
Briori
Brunali
Bynar
Byzallian
Byzatium
Caatati
Caitian
Calamarain
Caldonian
Camorite
Capellan
Cardassian
Chalnoth
Changeling
Chokuzan
Chrysalian
Coridan
Corvallen
Cravic
Crystalline Entity
Cytherian
Cytoplasmic lifeform
D’Arsay
Dachlyd
Daliwakan
Debrune
Deltan
Denebian
Denobulan
Devidian
Devore
Dinaali
Doosodarian
Dopterian
Dosi
Douwd
Dralian
Drayan
Dream species
Dreman
Druoda
Edo
Ekosian
El-Aurian
Elasian
Elaysian
Ellora
Enaran
Enolian
Entaban
Entharan
Eska
Etanian
Evora
Exobot
Farn
Fek’Ihri
Fen Domar
Ferengi
Flaxian
Fotiallian
Frunalian
Galadoran
Gallamite
Garan
Garenor
Genton
Gorn
Grazerite
Gree
Grizzela
Haakonian
Halanan
Haliian
Halkan
Haradin
Harkonian
Hazari
Hekaran
Hierarchy
Hirogen
Horta
Hologram
Human
Human (Genetically Engineered/Augmented)
Human (Evolved/Advanced)
Hunter
Hupyrian
Hur’q
Husnock
Iconian
Ikaaran
Ilari
Ilidarian
Illyrian
Imhotep
Iotian
Ithenite
Iyaaran
J’naii
Jarada
Jem’Hadar
K’normian
Kadi
Kaelon
Kantare
Karemma
Kartelan
Kaylar
Kazarite
Kazon
Kelvan
Kesat
Kinbori
Klaestron
Klingon
Kmada
Kobali
Kobliad
Kohl
Kolaati
Kolaran
Kolhari
Komar
Kostolain
Kotakian
Kovaalan
Kradin
Kraylor
Kreetassan
Krenim
Kressari
Kriosian
Ktarian
Kyrian
Ledosian
Lethean
Leyron
Ligonian
Lissepian
Lokirrim
Lorillian
Lothra
Lurian
Lycocians
Lyridian
Lysian
Lyssarrian
Lytasian
M-113 creature
M’klexa
Makull’s species
Maldorian
Malkoth
Malon
Malurian
Mari
Mawasi
Mazarite
Medusan
Megarite
Mekhar
Melkot
Menk
Menthar
Metrons
Microbrain
Mikhal Traveler
Mikulak
Minosian
Mintakan
Miradorn
Mislenite
Mizarian
Mokra
Monean
Morphinian
Motali
Mulzirak
Mylean
N’Kree
Nacene
Napean
Nasari
Nassordin
Nausicaan
Nechani
Nezu
Night Aliens
Nihydron
Norcadian
Numiri
Nuu’bari
Nuvian
Nygean
Nyrian
Ocampa
Octran
Old Ones
Organian
Orion
Ornaran
Osaarian
Ovion
Pakled
Pah Wraith
Paraagan
Parada
Parein
Paxans
Peliar Zel natives
Peljenite
Pendari
Petarian
Ponea
Pralor
Prang
Promellian
Prophet
Proxcinian
Pygorian
Q
Qomar
Quarren
Rakhari
Rakosan
Ram Izad
Ramuran
Reegrunion
Reman
Retellian
Rhaandarite
Rigelian
Rilnar
Risian
Romulan
Rutian
Sakari
Saltah’na
Satarran
Saurian
Scathosian
Selay
Serosian
Sheliak
Shivolian
Sikarian
Silver Blood
Skagaran
Skrreea
Sky Spirits
Son’a
Species 8472
Srivani
Stakoron
Suliban
Swarm
T-Rogoran
T’Lani
Tak Tak
Takarian
Takrit
Talarian
Talavian
Talaxian
Talosian
Tamarian
Tandaran
Tanugan
Tarahongian
Tarellian
Taresian
Tarkalean
Tarkan
Tarlac
Tavnian
Tellarite
Telsian
Teplan
Terellian
Terkellian
Terrelian
Tessic’s species
Thasian
Tholian
Tiburonian
Torothan
Tosk
Trabe
Triannon
Tribble
Trill
Troyian
Turei
Tygarian
Tzenkethi
U’tani
Ubean
Ullian
Uxali
Vaadwaur
Valakian
Valerian
Valtese
Varro
Vaskan
Ventaxian
Ventu
Verathan
Verillian
Vhnori
Vian
Vidiian
Vissian
Vok’sha
Vori
Vorta
Vostigye
Voth
Vulcan
Wadi
Wogneer creature
Wyngari
Wysanti
Xarantine
Xepolite
Xindi
Xyrillian
Yaderan
Yallitian
Yalosian
Yash-El
Yattho
Yridian
Zahl
Zakdorn
Zaldan
Zalkonian
Zaranite
Zetaran Life Form
Zeon
Zhuik
Zora Fel

And of course the awesomeness that is James.T.Kirk.

Why isn’t my mahussive comment about all the star trek races being posted!?

The Q could potentially mess things up for Star Wars. I mean they are a near-omnipotent race that can travel through time with a mere hand gesture and they can teleport others half way accross the galaxy. That said for some reason they fear to Borg, so obviously they aren’t all powerful, and Voyager dumbed them down a bit to the point that the Voyager crew could mix it up with them and not get totally ROFLstomped. It might be possible for the Star Wars beings to take down the Q, but that might only be possible if the Q are total idiots, which knowning Trek, they probably will be.

I give this one to Star Wars. Aside from the Q, there really isn’t anything in Star Trek that could stand up to the kind of firepower in the SW universe. The figures on the ships, such as Slave-I vs. Enterprise, clearly spell out a massive string of naval victories for Star Wars.

All races and deities are available for each side. – Admin

Easy win for Star Trek. The Douwd get pissed off and instantly wipe out entire Star Wars species. Q puts the Star Wars side of the universe in a snow globe and lulz all the way home. Probably gives it to Picard as a gift to put on his ready room desk.

“That said for some reason they fear to Borg, so obviously they aren’t all powerful, and Voyager dumbed them down a bit to the point that the Voyager crew could mix it up with them and not get totally ROFLstomped. It might be possible for the Star Wars beings to take down the Q”

Wrong.

Well, there are some rather unusual beings in Star Wars.
Here’s the following with the links for more of their description.

1. Waru: A trans-dimesional being, who could anything it wished and was key to
a plot by an Imperial Dark-Jedi to know the full knowledge of the Force.
Its true intentions were to return to its home.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Waru

2. The Celestials: Mysterious beings predating the Old Republic known to a created the Maw and shifted many planets to their current position. However, there is too little information to be
described exactly. Perhaps, there are the Rakata, another precursor race from the famous KOTOR game.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Celestials

3. The Abominor and the Silentium: extragalactic droid species known to be in war with each other
until they were driven out by the galaxy’s organic species. Rumored to be from the Yuuzhan Vong’s galaxy and the source of their technophobia
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Abominor
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Silentium

4. Kwa: Heard Factpilers mention this races for their ability to use Infinity Gates.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kwa

5. Fate of the Jedi Force-sensitive groups or persons, in particular: Aing-Tii monk, Mind Walkers, Hidden Ones, Dathomiri Witches(mentioned a lot before the series), Abeloth, Lost Tribe of the Sith
Note: Since the series is not yet finished, the full description of some of these beings has not yet
come to light as well as the chance to show more beings.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lost_Tribe_of_Sith
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mind_Walkers
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aing-Tii
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Witches_of_Dathomir
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hidden_Ones
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Abeloth

Note: This does not guarantee that this will cause any shifts in the debate; the purpose is to show
there are beings the are indeed unique

wait, wait, if I remeber Star Trek lazers shoot longer and not in short burst like Star Wars lazers do and the hand held lazers of Star Trek can vaporize in one shot at full power.

is Star Wars tech that much better?

If Star Wars is clearly confirmed to have deities, whole debates in Factpile would change significantly. But as of now, it is not the case.

sw ships shoot too long lazers.SW WINS.

The above two posts amuse me greatly.

Edit

No the Borg are weak when compared against the Empire so they want give anyone any trouble.

“NO the Borg are weak when compared against the Empire. If we removed the Q than this would be a one sided fight in Star Wars’ favor.”

It only takes 9 out of millions of Species 8472 Bioships to blow up a planet, with which they can fire at ranges of millions of kilometers with a charge time of only a few minutes. Bye bye Death Star. Bye bye Eclipse. Bye bye Executor. Bye Bye anything silly enough to be near a planet when they warp in. If I recall, in the end of Scoripion Part I, it takes a whole of a couple minutes for 8472 to open a singularity, appear, blast the planet into a bagillion pieces and disappear again. What’s that? Planetary shields you say? How bout stacking 100 of those planet busting beams on a single planet. Each beam would have to have an output of 2.2×10e32 joules, anything in their way would be pretty much boned.

Or how bout the Sphere Builders? Capable of breaking down the laws of physics and reconfiguring the very space itself. And I’m sure V’Ger would turn the Star Wars Galaxy into a nice tasty digital recording.

Ultimately, you have to consider all things that exist in both Star Wars and Star Trek. I do acknowledge the powers like Q, 8472, and any reality-bending forces, not to mention technological
achievements that Star Trek has, while Star Wars doesn’t have. However, you take the whole of Star Wars mythos with little merit than it should be. If you really want to convince me, evaluate the whole of the Star Wars timeline to the pre-Republic civilizations tens of thousands of years ago to the Legacy era about a hundred years after the original trilogy. The Force is still a mysterious concept, especially when you consider the things that go on the EU. Don’t forget about comparing the themes, issues, philosophies, and lessons that come from both sides. I’m not belittling Star Trek, but people limit the whole thing to one reason, even though in truth, arguments and reasons will be debated for days until the whole thing can be clearly resolved.

I see Species 8472 and the Borg working together, strengthening the other race’s shortcomings.

“Ultimately, you have to consider all things that exist in both Star Wars and Star Trek.”

I have, and Q stands above what the best of Star Wars has to offer because Star Wars doesn’t have anything to compare against it. Its most powerful Force users (Darth Revan, Anakin Skywalker, Galen Marek; to name a few) and deadliest superweapons (such as the Death Stars, Eclipse and Sun Crushers), while extremely powerful, are on a different level.

“If you really want to convince me, evaluate the whole of the Star Wars timeline to the pre-Republic civilizations tens of thousands of years ago to the Legacy era about a hundred years after the original trilogy.”

I’m not quite sure of the point you’re trying to make with this. Yes, Star Wars has a lengthy history, diverse races, all kinds of technologies ranging from bizarre to deadly, but nothing on the scale of Q. All this proves is that many people love Star Wars and keep adding their own ideas to the franchise, which is in no way a bad thing at all.

“The Force is still a mysterious concept, especially when you consider the things that go on the EU.”

And the best, most powerful examples of the Force throughout Star Wars history pale in comparison to the powers of Q. The most radical examples of Force usage include creating giant Force Storms, wiping a planet clean of life, being able to reappear as ghosts after death, or cheat death–for a time. And until something comes out in the Expanded Universe that puts the Force on par with Q’s ability to do anything he wants, then that’s all both sides have to work with.

“Don’t forget about comparing the themes, issues, philosophies, and lessons that come from both sides.”

But…it isn’t a philosophical debate over whose ideals are better or who best gets their message across to the audience. Its a “What if Star Wars and Star Trek were actively trying to kill each other?” type scenario.

The Q alone isn’t answer to the debate. This includes all things in the quality of species, powers, characters, technology, etc. and are compared to see what is better than the other in the uniqueness of design, ability, origin, etc. The Q may win when it comes to power, but it is irrelevant, when the comparisons of everything else does not involve them. I see the debate as the battle of all the traits of both genres. Power alone is not the only factor that makes the mythos.

“And until something comes out in the Expanded Universe that puts the Force on par with Q’s ability to do anything he wants, then that’s all both sides have to work with.”

Yet, I see the Star Wars mythos has yet to finish completely. There are works yet to be finished to
reveal the mysteries that are unanswered in the EU, so the finalization is uncertain.

T”he Q alone isn’t answer to the debate. This includes all things in the quality of species, powers, characters, technology, etc. and are compared to see what is better than the other in the uniqueness of design, ability, origin, etc. The Q may win when it comes to power, but it is irrelevant, when the comparisons of everything else does not involve them. I see the debate as the battle of all the traits of both genres. Power alone is not the only factor that makes the mythos.”

- Listen… your new here, so I’ll explain it to ya’. This is a fight… not a debate over which side has a more compelling storyline, mythos, history, etc. Is a drag-out street-fight on a galatic scale, not a debate at a school function.

The fact that the Q can basically snap their fingers to win the fight, means that Star Trek wins. Thats it. It doesn’t matter how illustrious your history is if a race of beings can erase your existance with a after-thought.

Nice try though.

“Admin when did Zach recommend this post?
I also put forward the idea 4 months ago.”

. You can have some credit too.

I hereby nominate Star Trek for the factpile award.

I do think that Q gives the Star Trek side an obvious advantage. But you don’t combat him in terms of powers. For beings like that, you attack their mind. You break his mind with Force Spirits, Dark Side ghosts, still living Jedi, Sith who excel at mind manipulation, and the Guns of Command. I would like to see if any (or all of these combined) would bring Q to his knees, and breath life into this debate again.

“I would like to see if any (or all of these combined) would bring Q to his knees”

I highly doubt a being with an IQ of 2005 would be affected. Either way, there is an entire race of Q, not just one. Star Wars loses.

This argument is like the marvel/dc fight, not fun. You forget everything else that each of the universes have to offer and why we are fans of it. It’s always easy to say that our god kicks your gods ass. The Force is stronger than Q or the other way around. It doesnt take much thought coming up with an all powerful being. A company just has to say we need an entity that can do anything and everything and throw it into story lines here and there, just so we can say we have the baddest guy in all universes. Don’t care if there is an all powerful being that can fart universes away in a second. Should have a second category for them or just not start this debate. What I want to see and probably what was intended when this comparison came up is everyone having their favorite army on either side and letting the pieces go at it. Borg against Sith,Klingon vs Jedi, star destroyer against bird of prey in one all out super universe battle.