Never heard of either but they both look like monsters. Judging by the fact that the Imperator just looks awesome….I’d go with it.

Ohhhhh, this is a good one, Skrunks.

I’ll reserve judgement till after I do some Motherwill research, but it promises to be good.

The Spirit of the Motherwill is over a mile tall and it’s main guns alone are almost a km long. Their range is so long that they have to fire over the planetary arc of the horizen to successfuly hit the target at maximum range. It is immune to all AC weaponry and the only way to destroy it in game is to destroy all the weapon emplacements and start a reactor feedback. I suggest you watch the videos Admin posted, they show what this thing is capable of. The shells from the 6 main guns are fired at such a high velocity that the shells gain a friction glow, only a couple of them will obliterate the AC you pilot. AC = Armored Core = Mech almost the size of the Imperator. Void Shield? Pfft, it’s not much stronger then an ACs Primal Armor, and these things pack a hell of alot of firepower, and even for them it’s considered suicide to go up agianst this thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2khLx5WAid0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXoDvjrs7-U&feature=related

The picture is of AF Answerer, which has an anti-projective function and the weaponry to go toe to toe with the titan.

AF Motherwill’s only advantage is the range of it’s weapons, something neigh meaningless when the imperator can shoot at things in orbit.

“The Void Missile opens up a miniature black hole, devastating anything inside its radius and killing anything it touches.”

Actually, it creates a tear in between the Immaterium and the Materium, sucking everything in the blast radius into the Warp for a split second, but the effect would be the same. However, the Void Missile would be cut down by the massive amount of point defense weaponry before it even got close to the thing. It has a garrison of several hundred Normals (Mechs weaker then a NEXT but still far more powerful then any modern day weapon or all but the most elite Space Marines)

“And the Mechs in Armoured Core tend to use solid slug weapons and rockets rather than plasma cannons, Melta tech or the ever lovable Void Missile.”

Say wha? You’ve obviously never played the game. The Spirit of Motherwill is a BFF Arms Fort and ancient by game time. BFF is just one of several Mega-Corporations that control the world, several of them use exclusivly laser and plasma weapons, like Interior Union and Torus. They even utilize an exotic partilce called Kojima. While Spirit of Motherwill doesn’t have any Kojima weaponry, the existence of such a widespread technology disproves that whole comment. My NEXT that I used for most of my first play through I used a pair of Plasma Cannons or Laser Cannons, and occasionally a Laser Blade. AC is one of those rare games that balances traditional weaponry and fantastic sci-fi stuff, kinda like Warhammer.

“If one of those mechs from armored core can take it on, then a Imperator -class Titan sura as hell can.”

Dude, as soon as you defeat the Spirit of Motherwill in the plot, half the game characters nearly shite themselves, for it’s considered near-suicide for your average NEXT. And, if during that mission if you decide to stand still for more then 3 seconds, you’re dead. These things are so incredibly agile that most of the shells can be dodged, and that is the only way you can defeat the Spirit of Motherwill. If you were to take a massive slow moving target like the Warhammer Titan, it would be a totally different story. The shells are accurate within feet of at least ten km or more.

“AF Motherwill’s only advantage is the range of it’s weapons, something neigh meaningless when the imperator can shoot at things in orbit.”

Like I said, the Motherwill has to shoot around the curvature of a planet at maximum range. I have no doubt that it too would be capable of shooting things in orbit if the guns were aimed up. It’s main cannons are almost as tall as the Mech itself. I don’t feel like doing kinetic energy calculations for a shell of that size, but I do know that it would have a hell of alot more punch that any bolter.

“I had presumed this match was between the principle vehicles/mecha’s themselves rather than their troops as well. As you’re the suggestor of this match however, I’ll bow to your scenario.”

It’s only fair, since both the Spirit of Motherwill and Imperator Titan are designed to deploy troops as well. The Warmonger is the dedicated death dealer Titan, if I’m not mistaken.

“The number of space marines a Titan can hold would surely tower over the number of Mechs the Spirit of the Motherwill can hold though, no?”

Yes, but they’r all onboard the Motherwill, the Space Marines wouldn’t be able to get near them. They’re support craft that function like additional turrets, except they can evade incoming fire.

“How to compare various armaments, shield strengths and troop capablities well….”

Well, the Armaments are what it’s going to come down too. We need L-W! Kinetic Energy imparted by the Motherwill Shells will no doubt be staggering, and I believe it has the range advantage over the Titan, as well as being much much larger. However, the Titan has Void Shields, and the Motherwill just has size. It’s designed to be an unstoppable moving fortress that demolishes everything from miles and miles away and any return fire will helplessly clang off it’s impossible size. But against something like a Titan that would be able to obliterate it if it got close enough….

I believe that the massive Firepower onboard the Motherwill will collapse the Titan’s Void Shields relatively quickly, and the repeated shelling will eventually bring the monster down before it can get close.

@ Skrunks

Man, I’ve haven’t been here long, but even you should know that even trying to give the Spirit points in this match is a classic case of futility in the fact that no matter what the Spirit does, it will get blown out of the fucking sky or just be assualted from the inside by SM terminators.

I’m leaning towards the titan…
But either way Skrunks you are grossly underestimating the titan…

Mind giving us some hard firepower calculations Skrunks? Because otherwise you’re just throwing around conjecture.

Um, Skrunks, I just found out, Void shields absob the kinetic energy they take and use it to further generate the shields, So if the Motherwill used its main cannons, it’s just making the imperator stronger.

and If that isn’t enough…

Void shields are essentially the standard kinetic shields of ground infantry on steroids. The powers involved more or less create a solid ‘wall’ between the Titan and everything else. Anything caught at the boundary when the shield is turned on will most likely be sliced in half. The shield itself operates by converting kinetic energy and the various energies employed in weapons into visible light. Impacts generate a bright flash, but little else. Organic matter which touches the shield is generally violently disassembled. When active, the shields create a wavering effect around whatever they enclose, much like heat waves on a hot day.
Void shields do not ‘wear down’, but rather simply short out when overwhelmed. For this reason, most Titans carry at least two generators. When one shorts out, the other is activated, allowing time for the first to be brought back online.

I’d like to point out that, in a head to head battle, the ability to take blows without damage is a decisive advantage. Motherwill is bigger, yes, but this makes it a bigger target, especially considering that all the primary weapon systems are mostly unarmored. On the otherhand, The titan can take atleast 5 hits before sustaining any meaningful damage.

Motherwill also has a crippling flaw in damage control. Hits to missile bays result in crippling internal fires and the primary cannons are an intergral part of the superstructure. The destruction of the weapon systems alone is enough to destroy Motherwill, does this not strike you as an idiotic design?

Was just wondering if this occurred to anyone other than me…. Firstly, a lascannon blast takes down a titan shield with one shot, a tiny bore laser based heavy weapon, minuscule when compared to a Titan weapon…. Now what if a round from SotM’s main weapon hit the shield? It does massively more damage… It would no doubt short out the void shield with one shot. Three bursts from long range and the shields are gone, three more bursts maximum and the Imperator Titan is toast… Just a little food for thought for those who state that void shields are capable of withholding next to all weapons.

Secondly, you do realize that if they did ever come close enough, SotM would just literally step on the Imperator?

Also, Normals are realistically capable of eating the heart(century dead vaunted space marine yaddayadda…) out of a dreadnought like the clumsy tin can it is. Normals are generally highly mobile, but their weapons systems are on par with dreadnoughts weapons systems, therefore they are to space marines alike space marines are to grots… and theses beasts are the SotM’s embarked troops… Terminators would be EATEN.

A lascannon takes a titans sheild down in one shot……….where are you getting this from? Titans, even the scouts can shred apart entire colums of enemy armour that use lascannons as a regular armament. Terminators have been known to stand up against necron weaponry which actually seperates whatever it hits into individual atoms layer by layer. I dont think Armour core has something that powerful. These guys are also very good at killing tanks, as most of their weapons carve, melt, or shred right through armour found in 40k.

@ incinerator

You have given no info to contradict my Terminator attack.

Awkward moments discovered, sorry for double posting but after reviewing sizes for the Emperor class Titan and SoMW, I realized something.

SoMW eclipses the **** out of Battle Titans.

According to the stat line recovered by mech heads from 4chan, she’s 600 Meters tall and 2400 meters wide, compared to Emperor Titans which no one can seem to accurately display a size outside of the Apoc rules, or Dies Irae being somewhere around 43 meters tall without the Cathedral Spires on top, although I believe Emperors to be around 40-80 meters tall now because no one has proper information.

Spirit of Mother will has:

6 Large Siege cannons
6 Medium Defense Cannons
36 Self Defense Machine Gun Turrets
18 Missile Pod Launchers, 3 per deck, firing 7 Missiles per salvo (salvo per 1 launcher)

there is supposingly 4 Under Guns underneath all the decks and we’re not mentioning the Thousands of Crew needed to man her, the large amount of support craft she can carry.

Also, take into consideration she’s a more of a Carrier where as an Emperor Titan is like a Cruiser, or a Battle Ship. If the Iron Warriors or the Imperials had SoMT, she’d probably be immobile or the slowest moving land unit, as well as being filled with enough guns to make Orks jizz themselves on the spot from the insane ammounts of Dakka.

Also note, the authors of 40k do something to the fluff of the rules and codexes, they exaggerate the **** out of it to make a good story (and more than half of which are not good either), as well as screwing up the fluff, which is now thread derailing and I’m sorry.

So, if they got into a Fight, I’m sure the Siege Cannons have more than enough punch to knock over an Imperator from miles away, and while were at it, if it was close range, and multiple super death missiles are not being used, then Motherwill is stepping on the Imperator.

@ incinerator

So the fact that you can take down this “incredible” ship with a single Armored Core robot would lead me to believe that this ship is full of bull.

Kenny, Armored Core is based on you being the best damn mercenary to pilot a robot, if we had a mission where we had a Next take on an Imperator Titan, I guarantee you it’ll be a 5-10 minute mission of circling, strafing, and attacking until the shields are down and all the weapons are dead, then you move into whatever weapoints you make, like the Reactor being in the stomach under the head in the Imperator’s case. We had a debate on this on 4chan and we all concured Bragger 228 feels more Impressive than an imperial Titan

Anywho, Psychers could snap Titans in half and destroy planets, I’m sure a highly agile Machine that is equivilant to Iron Men days of tech is going to find a kink in a giant slow, moving walking Monster, which is essentially what Arm’s Forts are. Problem with Kojima radiation shielding is it’s not stopping energy rounds completely, it’s also the bad radiation kind that kills all the infantry on the ground, hence why Earth was reduced to a 75% (generous) radioactive from like, 1 year of Fighting.

Also, Imperator is not the largest and most powerful Imperial Titan, Castigator is, but Castigator predates all Titans and they’re all destroyed or lost.

Anyone who read Dark Adeptus knows what I’m talking about.

You didn’t miss anything, it was a fanwank argument from two radically different eras and technology, and it went no where until people started posting actual stats instead of the usual fancrap or Black Library mockup fluff.

People wouldn’t think the Titans where godly if the BL people would stop screwing stuff up, they’re awesome on the Tabletop, but they’re not gigantic and unless you’re strapping a Battlecruiser cannon to the Imperator, it’s not firing into Orbit, I don’t know what idiot came up with that, probably CS Goto as he’s a moron.

The argument is inconclusive because we didn’t draw a direct conclusion, but from stats, SoMW would win, hell I could put a Warhound on the Deck of Motherwill for giggles, and it would just chill there.

Hmnnn I should let sleeping dogs be but.

The Imperium o fman would never send one of it’s most valuble and rarest
Emperor CLass Titans into battle against a monster like Moptherwell on it’s own
it would have a unit of other titans to back it up not to mention orbital strikes.
And I am mor etahn sure the Inquisiition would rather Declare Exeterminus
upon the plant than risk such a avluble peice of iraplaceble (sp) technology like
an Emperor CLass Titan.

The Planet would get gifted with VIrus bombing to wipe out all life on th eplanet
or a nice Nova bomb to kiss the planet good bye, I highly doubt they would try to
take on the Spirit of Motherwell hea don unles they could help it not when they
can use less direct yet even more powerful weapons to get the job done such
as redirecting of asteroids to strike the target location an attack though more
favoure dby the orks.

Personaly I would say the TItan would put up a vllient fight even maybe
imobalise or cause horrific if not crippling damage to the Spirit of Mothe well but
it would still eventual be destroyed or forced to overload its reactors in an attempt
to destroy the it’s massive opponent even then I recokon the Motherwell would
just about by the skin of its teeth win thoug it’d be so baddly damaged it would
take a blooming long time to get it operational perfect for a second strike to f
finesh it off.

But one on one Mother well vs an Emperor Class: Imperator Titan .
I would have to say what I just said it’d be the Motherwell thogh only just be the
skin of it’s teeth an deven then it might be damaged beyond recovery when the
Imperator goes boom, but aye the Motherwell would just about win if it’s just one
on one.

The picture is AF awnserer, which would fall apart from a single hit from the titan.

The spirit of motherwill is alot better equiped with its long range cannons, i think both have enough fire power to wipe each other out, it all depends on the range of each others cannons. Also remember that in hard mode the spirit of motherwill has a next escort, those a pretty fast could damage the titan like it dmaages all other AFs.

I’m both a 40K player and I’ve destroyed SoMW several times, and I’d have to give this one to the titan. While Motherwill is quite impressive, every shot would blast a huge gaping hole in motherwill.

Here’s a link for the official Apocalypse Emperor Class datasheet:

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2440056_Imperial_Datasheet_-_Emperor_Battle_Titan.pdf

And remember, this has been nerfed so it would be “fair” on the tabletop, and i use the term fair VERY lightly!!

“That’s the key right there. The Range. Motherwill has stupidly long range. It all depends on the range. 5 – 10km and I say Motherwill, under that and I say Titan.”

And that’s the ting, titans are always deployed via massive drop pods, so the IOM would be able to dictate the starting distance.

“LOL at those size comparison on the data sheet. Imperator Titans can hold thousands of soldiers in their legs (Dark Apostle). That soldier must be freakin huge.”

Balance issues to help gameplay. In Apocalypse, those Titans hold 52 men. all together, and thats still overpowered (unless they explode, wiping out all the men inside., which isn’t bloody likely. That said, I once saw two hundred models removed in a single blast that escalated into a tabletops worth of death for every army in sight. moral of the story, don’t take hordes versus that thing.)