I resent the idea of being typecast.

Either way the SDF-1 is packing some pretty serious firepower, with the reflex cannon itself being calculated to be in the high gigaton range. Unfortunately the re-fire rate for such a weapon appears to be horrendous, whilst the SSD (which I assume refers to the Executor) packs thousands more such weapons of equal or greater destructive power that can fire in repeated salvos.

When taking into account their non-relativistic maneuvering capabilities and acceleration (inferior to the Executor), numerous relatively low tonnage weapons, a distinct lack of energy shielding and a vulnerability to enemies only capable of lobbing around weapons in the low megaton range and you’re starting to witness a contender that isn’t quite going to match the might of an SSD anytime soon.

Happy Birthday admin!

Happy Birthday Admin! =D

And like orber…I know nothing of the SDF-1

How big is the SDF-1 in both it’s modes anyway? Not that that would allow for a win on Robotech’s side, I’m just curious. As for who I’d think would win, the SSD has proven itself time and time again against some pretty strong enemies.

I’d say that if SDF-1 get’s it’s valkyrie complement (that’s 300+ against SSD’s 144) then it has a far chance at picking apart a super star destroyer with mostly fighter superiority, using the main gun primarily for breaching the forward shields. Considering that the original Executor was beheaded by fighters, it’s plausible that a super star destroyer could be shot down by fighters.

Also, the SDF main gun is stated to use super dimensional energy. Judging it’s effect of the same type of weapon in macross frontier, I’d say that it involves both a gravitational aspect as well as standard charged particles. Star wars has very limited gravity technology, the inertial dampeners and artificial gravity might provide some protection, but they were never intended for that kind of stress. Most likely, the inertial dampeners get de-synced, much like what happened to the invisible hand, and end up inflicting secondary damage.

@Belisaurius (did i spell that right?)

I thought the fighter killing the bridge of the org Executor was a Plo-uuhhh fluke *cough*
while we know just the SDF-1 and Just the SSD the SSD comes out on top (SDF-1 1 high power gun that has a crappy firing rate vs SSD alot of High power Guns that fire alot) to say it could be taken out with the 300+ fighters of the SDF-1 we need to know the specs of those fighters

1) “I’d say that if SDF-1 get’s it’s valkyrie complement (that’s 300+ against SSD’s 144) then it has a far chance at picking apart a super star destroyer with mostly fighter superiority, using the main gun primarily for breaching the forward shields.”

You have yet to quantify the power of the main weapon and whether or not it could even dampen the exaton level main shields. Poor form indeed.

2) “Considering that the original Executor was beheaded by fighters, it’s plausible that a super star destroyer could be shot down by fighters.”

After taking a half an hour bombardment from the main body of the Rebel fleet.

Happy Birthday Admin and happy valentines. Also if I could get a fact pile birthday present I would propose that on my birthday No one speaks vile words but that is just a suggestion

and if the SDF-1 gets its fighters and such we are talkin over 1000+ vehicles pouring outta the SDF-1 while it sit inside its durable shield and fires off its 1000+ plus weapon arrays

and the number nxt to them is how many individual units are in a cluster and to second number is how many clusters there are.

big flaw in Darkblade agument

“RPG STATS” yeah the speeds could be used but

“MACROSS CANNON: The SDF-1′s most powerful weapon is the twin boomed Macross Cannon. Officially it is called an Overtechnology Macross bow-firing super-dimension-energy cannon with beam polarizing converging system, however it is more commonly referred to as Macross Cannon for ease of reference. The weapon consists of the two forward booms of the SDF-1 splitting apart and an energy buildup taking place which results in an energy beam up to 120,000 miles (192,000 km) long and 2 miles (3.2 km) wide that destroys EVERYTHING in its path. The weapon however uses an immense amount of power and once fired, the cannon takes a full 5 MINUTES (20 melee rounds) to recharge.

* PRIMARY PURPOSE: Heavy Assault
* SECONDARY PURPOSE: Anti-Warship
* RANGE: 60,000 miles (96,000 km) in an atmosphere. Double in space.
* DAMAGE: Destroys EVERYTHING in its path, regardless of MDC and movement. The only way to avoid obliteration is to avoid being in the path of the beam! If used against a planet, the beam causes 3D6x1,000,000 MD (!), leaving only a crater 2D6x10 miles long and 3D6x100 feet deep. The resulting shockwave will also cause substantial damage to surrounding terrain for an additional 1D6x10 miles from the edge of the crater. (Note: A sufficiently strong force field can deflect/absorb the beam if necessary. Examples of such fields include multiple pinpoint barrier shields layered on top of each other and barriers generated by stronger Protodeviln beings. A force field must have AT LEAST 20,000 MDC capacity before it can resist a heavy particle beam of this magnitude.)
* RATE OF FIRE: Once per 5 minutes (20 melees).
* PAYLOAD: Effectively Unlimited. ”

there is no numbers it just spams EVERYTHING for the damage part

again i guess the speeds could be used (they are canon right?)

“SPEEDS:

Speed (Sublight): 0.20 speed of light (37,200 miles per second)
Speed (Auxiliary Drives): Mach 2.0
Speed (Space Fold): 1 light year every 6 minutes
Planet bound:
Can land and take off if necessary but not designed to maneuver in an atmosphere for extended periods of time.
Maximum Range: Unlimited (estimated life span unknown) ”

so yeah the RPG thing is flaw in my book

“MACROSS CANNON
HIGH-SPEED 178 CM RAIL CANNONS (4)
GUIDED CONVERGING BEAM CANNONS (8)
ANTI-MECHA LASER TURRETS (100)
ANTI-MECHA MISSILE LAUNCHERS (24)
PINPOINT BARRIER DEFENCE SYSTEM: Developed onboard the SDF-01 Macross during Space War One, the Pinpoint Barrier System is a standard defense system on board all UN Spacy starships as a defensive system. The system generates four small disc-shaped force fields that can be positioned anywhere along the ship to deflect missiles, energy beams or projectiles. Each pinpoint barrier is about 200 ft (61 m) in length and can absorb up to 5,000 MD in damage, which then regenerates within four seconds (2 melee rounds). The barriers can also be layered on top of each other to generate a field which provides 20,000 MDC and can even deflect heavy particle beams (usually).

The four barriers are controlled by operators in the command tower of the carrier. These operators are instructed to defend (1) the command tower, bridge, and sensor array, (2) main engines, (3) hangar bays, and (4) weapon systems, in that order. The operators primarily concentrate on defending the ship against larger spacecraft and leave defense against mecha attacking the carrier to the VF pilots.
OMNIDIRECTIONAL BARRIER DEFENCE SYSTEM: Used only once as an extension of the Pin Point Barrier Defence. The Omnidirectional Barrier completely encircles the battle fortress in a nearly-impregnable force field sphere. The disadvantage of the barrier system is that no weapons can be fired, nor any fighters/support craft launched or recovered while the shield is up. Due to a flaw in the system the barrier overloaded during its first use, completely destroying the North American Ontario Quadrant. Because of this disastrous mishap and other problems the omnidirectional barrier system has not been used again since, and has not been installed in any other UN Spacy spaceships. ”

i dont think they all add up to 10,000

“SDF-1 sports 4 ARMD platforms each with around 1000-2000 weapon arrays”
ARMD is a ship dude
http://unsd.macrossroleplay.org/armdplatform.html
and SDF-1 only has 2 apparently

not to mention that the 2 ARMDs weapons combined are not > then 200

http://www.new-un-spacy.com/macrossdyrl/macross-dyrl.htm

http://www.new-un-spacy.com/macrossdyrl/armd-dyrl.htm

Known statistics for both the SDF-1 Macross and ARMD Class Space Carrier.

The SSD would most definitely win, but the SDF-1 is still winner in my heart.

1) “The main body that was caught up in innumerable point blank battles with imperial star destroyers, that main body?”

What a completely senseless and idiotic non-sequiter, if you have a point of comparison to make try not to sound like a moron when doing so.

2) “Also, 200 Gigatons? Even the Tsar bomb was only 50 Megatons, I’d like to see some citations.”

A) Star Wars Incredible Cross-Sections – Ep II, pg. 22:

Republic Assault Ship – 12 quad turbolasers (200 gigatons per shot).

B) Star Wars Incredible Cross-Sections – Ep. III, pg. 14:

Banking Clan Frigate – Two huge turbolaser cannons can melt-blast an ice moon measuring 1000 kilometers in diameter (estimated at 60 petatons).

C) Star Wars Incredible Cross-Sections – Ep. III pg. 15:

Invisible Hand – Quad turbolaser cannon’s maximum yield is equivelant to a magnitude 10 earthquake (1 teraton).

I low how you blatantly assume that just because we as a modern civilization, with only several thousand years of recorded history, can only construct large fusion explosives limited to yields of only a hundred megatons, that a galaxy-wide civilization that has had access to interstellar travel for 25,000 years will suffer the same technical issues that limit our comparatively primitive matter to energy conversion (or use fissile fuel for that matter).

Never mind the fact that a 16km wide reactor in their universe can generate enough energy within the space of a few hours as to completely vaporize a planet even when operating at a third of her original capacity. Jesus, some people must deliberately blind themselves to convenient and obvious events, since the average internet hero will continuously remind us that the largest fusion weapon to use fissile material in existence is only capable of an X amount of yield; an absolutely pointless non-sequiter since we’re talking about a civilization more than capable of building planet vaporizing lasers that would by all definition HAVE to use material far more energetic than Plutonium.

Wow I can’t believe I didn’t notice that. My birthday was just a day earlier than Admins.

@Admin
Thank you very much!

@L-W

Conservation of energy. Even with unrealistic specific heats and the effects of vacuum (that should increase the blast radius, blueshift the colors, and quicken the cooling) explosions aren’t at gigaton level and the armor on ships doesn’t vaporize right. A gigaton of boom should be enough to convert significant sections of a ship to energy even with a specific heat of thousands of degrees. A gigaton of boom would be more than enough to completely erase new york city off the face of the earth. 200 gigatons of boom would render a continent into molten slag, yet we hear of several shots are required in an orbital bombardment..

In short, 200 Gigatons is unrealistic and absurd.

Just as a quick re-cap for anyone who is interested, not only has Belisaurius disregarded actual solid canon documentation released by Lucasfilm Ltd with no reasonable objection, but has used his less than stellar understanding of physical laws as a means of dissuading the entire argument (whilst conveniently ignoring the canon documentation that he asked for in the first place) by shifting the goalposts.

In anything more than an informal debate, this shit would not pass.

Is it strange if I love L-W’s posts?

How the hell did you melt your eyes?

MAC, Your post makes no sense at all. For example you say the SSD (now called a Star Dreadnaught) can only engage one ship at a time. Pure and utter bullshit. It can engage multiple enemies at once.

And what carrier are you talking about? Home One? The battleship/carrier hybrid? The Executor wasn’t fighting it at all actually on the Emperor’s orders because he wanted to use the Death Star to devastate the Rebel Fleet.

“on the ohter hand the SDF-1 main cannon can destroy and have destroy serveral ship some as big as the ssd in one shot”

Wow. You do realize the SDF-1 is 1200meters in length right? Where as the Executor is 19,000 meters in length. The Executor’s shield is rated by our very own L-W at the exoton range and the reflex cannon is rated at the 165 gigaton range while the turbolasers in Star Wars are capable of destructive yields ranging from 200 gigatons to 1 teraton. And the Executor is covered from the bow to the stern with thousands of these weapons.

So quite frankly, no. The SDF is an awesome machine but in this fight it’s up against a heavy weight that can hit far harder and take much more than the SDF can give.

I love how some people forget that when the Executor was destroyed it was because an entire rebel fleet designated it as their target and were effectively pouring a small star’s worth of energy into the Executor’s shield. And it was only destroyed because the ship collided with the Death Star II before the secondary command bridge could come online.

I’m going to have to agree with Zervziel.

The SDF-1 is a respectable warship, but the SSD is far and beyond anything it’s ever faced.

“well i can agree but a single shot can still destroy the SSD”

Considering that the Reflex Cannon generates a fraction of the energy of a single heavy turbolaser and is often used only once in a blue moon, I’ll have to stop you right there.

Quit. Being. A. Fucking. Moron.

It was actually based on posted RPG stats, which if you read the entire thread would know that I don’t condone in the least.

However neither do I condone the idea that because said Cannon managed to score kills against X amount of vessels it should be more than effective against one. Starships aren’t inert objects, therefore unless we witness the cannon used against an object of quantifiable mass (asteroids, planets etc.) we can’t form an accurate judgment of said firepower.

in starwars d20 the dmg of a turbo laser is 8d12
105mm tank guns 10d12(M-1 ambram)
30mm machines gun 4d12 (A-10 tank killer)
dont think its that accurate

“in starwars d20 the dmg of a turbo laser is 8d12
105mm tank guns 10d12(M-1 ambram)
30mm machines gun 4d12 (A-10 tank killer)”

You should probably stop talking now.

well u said game stats i gave u game stats the fact is a war between the SDF-1 and a SSD will still end up equally between the 2 sides but who ever wins wll surely still have major damage its not gonna be a one sided fighe as u guys think it would be the protoculture matrix alone in the SDF-1 is enouh to power the death star and all its star destroyer and SSD …so its not gonna be a one sided fight as u guys though it wil be …in this fight anyone can be the victor.

” infested by Halotics”

- I like the fact my term is catching on.

Orpheus, you missed the point entirely. I was referring to the zealous Halo fans who tend to post before they think. Halotics was a terms Kenny came up with.

@ Mac. The thing is you don’t use game stats to support your argument because gameplay mechanics will not always support what is actually canon. We know for a fact what the output of the Executor’s weapons are and what it’s shield is capable of deflecting because it has been stated by canon sources. The SDF-1 is simply no match for it and would get destroyed. If you can provide some actual evidence as to how the SDF-1 can win we’d take that into consideration, but simply stating game stats does not an argument make.

“…I am soo tempted to demonstrate how the SDF-1 could take this, but I need to resist…”

NO!

Do it nao. Out of the thousands of posts I have read, I have yet to see you expose data to be used in a debate (you know, other than informing us of SoT stuff). I for one would welcome your detailed take on this.

What’s the max the SDF-1′s shield can deflect/dissipate without overloading anyway?

“Perhaps the War Wizard should speak on this…”

Perhaps, boss. Perhaps…

…

…

Robotech Episode #27 “Force of Arms”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApjsuGBVeh4#movie_player

At 19:20, This is the exact same thing the SDF-1 would do to the SSD, which is much smaller than Dolza’s fortress (The bald Zentradi in the gray robe).

I will confess to some fanboyism here, but so be it!

/crouches down waiting for the ensuing sh!tstorm…

My internet is down to pre-ADSL levels until the 28th, so can anyone post a miniature transcript of what quantifiable evidence the Admi- I mean War Wizard presented?

I’m most notably talking about firepower (remember, starships aren’t inert objects), defensive measures, acceleration, performance etc.

War Wizard, how can I do that when the enemy effectively let them do that. it’s like beating up a sock, looks overpowering when it can’t fight back. I didn’t find anything all that impressive about it at all.

Anyway, L-W, what they do is the SDF-1, busts through the hull of the enemy ship and fire off a couple Macross Missile Massacres. I think the missile were reflex missiles or something or rather. Also for some reason bashing into the hull of the much larger Zentradi ship doesn’t seem to damage it at all for some reason instead it just continues to crash through the hull of the ship until it gets inside where it proceeds to forcefully rearrange some architecture. If War Wizard is suggesting that the SDF-1 could just bust through the Executor’s duranium and doonium hull after some how getting the shield down then I must say I really don’t think so. Especially since even the Star Dreadnought’s small sized turbo lasers pack a kiloton punch. If the SDF-1 attempted to attack it, I personally think the Executor would rip it apart.

SDF-1 Weapons System
WEAPON SYSTEMS:
MACROSS CANNON: The SDF-1′s most powerful weapon is the twin boomed Macross Cannon. Officially it is called an Overtechnology Macross bow-firing super-dimension-energy cannon with beam polarizing converging system, however it is more commonly referred to as Macross Cannon for ease of reference. The weapon consists of the two forward booms of the SDF-1 splitting apart and an energy buildup taking place which results in an energy beam up to 120,000 miles (192,000 km) long and 2 miles (3.2 km) wide that destroys EVERYTHING in its path. The weapon however uses an immense amount of power and once fired, the cannon takes a full 5 MINUTES (20 melee rounds) to recharge.

PRIMARY PURPOSE: Heavy Assault
SECONDARY PURPOSE: Anti-Warship
RANGE: 60,000 miles (96,000 km) in an atmosphere. Double in space.
DAMAGE: Destroys EVERYTHING in its path, regardless of MDC and movement. The only way to avoid obliteration is to avoid being in the path of the beam! If used against a planet, the beam causes 3D6x1,000,000 MD (!), leaving only a crater 2D6x10 miles long and 3D6x100 feet deep. The resulting shockwave will also cause substantial damage to surrounding terrain for an additional 1D6x10 miles from the edge of the crater. (Note: A sufficiently strong force field can deflect/absorb the beam if necessary. Examples of such fields include multiple pinpoint barrier shields layered on top of each other and barriers generated by stronger Protodeviln beings. A force field must have AT LEAST 20,000 MDC capacity before it can resist a heavy particle beam of this magnitude.)
RATE OF FIRE: Once per 5 minutes (20 melees).
PAYLOAD: Effectively Unlimited.

HIGH-SPEED 178 CM RAIL CANNONS (4): In addition to the main cannon the SDF-1 is equipped with shoulder mounted, (in Storm Attacker mode,) rail cannons. The rail cannons replaced the heavy laser cannons of the original Supervision Army gunboat that the SDF-1 Macross used to be.

PRIMARY PURPOSE: Assault
SECONDARY PURPOSE: Anti-Warship
RANGE: 5,000 miles (8,040 km) in an atmosphere. Double in space.
DAMAGE: 1D4x1000 M.D.
RATE OF FIRE: Each cannon can fire twice per round.
PAYLOAD: Effectively unlimited.

GUIDED CONVERGING BEAM CANNONS (8): The SDF-1 features in addition to the rail cannons several beam cannons dotted across the surface of the ship giving additional punch to the SDF-1′s firepower. These turrets can only fire along limited arcs, and only a maximum of four cannons can be brought to bear on a single target at any given time.

PRIMARY PURPOSE: Anti-Warship
SECONDARY PURPOSE: Ship-to-Ship Defense
RANGE: 100 miles (160 km) in an atmosphere. Double in space.
DAMAGE: 2D4x100 M.D.
RATE OF FIRE: Each turret can fire once per round.
PAYLOAD: Unlimited.

ANTI-MECHA LASER TURRETS (100): Originally the SDF-1 fixed on pivoting placements damaged Defender Destroids to the hull of the SDF-1 to act as additional anti-mecha turrets. During its overhaul in 2012 the SDF-1 Macross replaced the Defender turrets for dedicated laser turrets. The laser turrets are spread across the surface of the SDF-1 and provide a wide angle of fire covering every angle, with roughly 180 degree angle of fire.

PRIMARY PURPOSE: Anti-Aircraft
SECONDARY PURPOSE: Defense
RANGE: 30 miles (48.2 km) in an atmosphere. Double in space.
DAMAGE: 1D8x20 M.D. each. Laser turrets can be directed to fire in volleys of 3 or more at single targets.
RATE OF FIRE: Each laser can fire four times per melee, and can be combined in any volley combination of 3 or more lasers, up to 20 lasers. Volleys can be directed at different targets.
PAYLOAD: Unlimited.

ANTI-MECHA MISSILE LAUNCHERS (24): In addition to the laser turrets, the SDF-1 is equipped with anti-mecha missile launchers for close to medium range defence against mecha. Each launcher contains 10 missile tubes allowing volleys of up to 10 missiles to be fired at a single target per launcher. Once depleted, the missile launchers are reloaded by an automated loading system that takes 15 seconds (one melee round) to reload all 10 missiles. Armor-piercing smart missiles are usually used to avoid chances of friendly fighters being shot down by the missiles.

PRIMARY PURPOSE: Anti-Aircraft
SECONDARY PURPOSE: Anti-Warship
MISSILE TYPES: Any type of UN Spacy Medium Range Missile can be used. Smart missiles are commonly used to avoid hitting friendly aircraft.
RANGE: Varies, typically 60 miles (80.4 km).
SPEED: Varies, typically 1600mph (2571kmph).
DAMAGE: Varies, typically 2D4x10 M.D.
BLAST RADIUS: Varies, typically 15 feet.
RATE OF FIRE: Volleys of 2, 4, 6, 8, or 10 missiles per launcher.
PAYLOAD: Each launcher holds 8 missiles. Once the missiles are expended the launcher is reloaded within 1 round via an automated system. The reload system holds 50 missiles per launcher.

PINPOINT BARRIER DEFENCE SYSTEM: Developed onboard the SDF-01 Macross during Space War One, the Pinpoint Barrier System is a standard defense system on board all UN Spacy starships as a defensive system. The system generates four small disc-shaped force fields that can be positioned anywhere along the ship to deflect missiles, energy beams or projectiles. Each pinpoint barrier is about 200 ft (61 m) in length and can absorb up to 5,000 MD in damage, which then regenerates within four seconds (2 melee rounds). The barriers can also be layered on top of each other to generate a field which provides 20,000 MDC and can even deflect heavy particle beams (usually).
The four barriers are controlled by operators in the command tower of the carrier. These operators are instructed to defend (1) the command tower, bridge, and sensor array, (2) main engines, (3) hangar bays, and (4) weapon systems, in that order. The operators primarily concentrate on defending the ship against larger spacecraft and leave defense against mecha attacking the carrier to the VF pilots.

PRIMARY PURPOSE: Defense (the pinpoint barrier system cannot be used as a weapon)
RANGE: Up to 300 feet (91.5 m) from the surface of the vessel.
DAMAGE CAPACITY: Can sustain up to 5,000 MD per round. Regenerates at a rate of 2,500 MD per melee round.
RADIUS: 200 ft (61 m)
DEFENSIVE MOVEMENT: Can move from one end of the carrier to the other in less than a single round. Trained operators can attempt to block attacks up to 8 times per melee (counts as a parry) and are at +7 to block. Untrained characters can parry up to their number of hand-to-hand attacks with their normal parry bonuses only.
PAYLOAD: Nearly inexhaustible. Will work as long as system is functional (see below) and engines are intact. If main engines are destroyed, the barrier will loose power and not function.
NOTE: If all four barriers are grouped in a single spot they can deflect a heavy particle beam attack, such as the one generated by the Macross Cannon, Zentraedi/Varuta command warships, and some Protodeviln. However, the beam will completely destroy all four barriers and put incredible strain on the pinpoint barrier system, to the point where it may short out. After deflecting an energy beam, roll percentile dice on the table below to determine additional effects/damage.
01-15: Lucked out, system will be operational in 1D6 hours.
16-30: Minor damage, system will require 4D6 hours to repair.
31-45: Major damage, system will require 2D6x10 hours to repair (yes, DAYS of work).
46-60: Completely destroyed! System can be rebuilt, but will require new parts and 2D6 DAYS of work to replace.
61-75: Major damage, system will require 2D6x10 hours to repair.
76-90: Minor damage, system will require 4D6 hours to repair.
91-95: Lucked out, system will be operational in 1D6 hours.
96-00: It’s a miracle! Trivial damage only, system will be operational again in only 4D6 melee rounds!

OMNIDIRECTIONAL BARRIER DEFENCE SYSTEM: Used only once as an extension of the Pin Point Barrier Defence. The Omnidirectional Barrier completely encircles the battle fortress in a nearly-impregnable force field sphere. The disadvantage of the barrier system is that no weapons can be fired, nor any fighters/support craft launched or recovered while the shield is up. Due to a flaw in the system the barrier overloaded during its first use, completely destroying the North American Ontario Quadrant. Because of this disastrous mishap and other problems the omnidirectional barrier system has not been used again since, and has not been installed in any other UN Spacy spaceships.

PRIMARY PURPOSE: Defense (the omnidirectional barrier system cannot be used as a weapon)
RANGE: The barrier generates a spherical force field with a radius of 3000 ft (910 m) around the exact center of the ship.
DAMAGE CAPACITY: Can sustain up to 100,000 MD in a single round. Regenerates at a rate of 2,500 MD per melee round.
PAYLOAD: Nearly inexhaustible. Will work as long as system is functional (see below) and engines are intact. If main engines are destroyed, the barrier will loose power and not function.
NOTE: The barrier can deflect a heavy particle beam attack, such as the one generated by the SDF-01 Macross, Zentraedi/Varuta command warships, and some Protodeviln. When hit by a heavy particle beam the shield will take 25,000 MDC damage, with the rest of the beam being deflected around the shield.

You’ve just copy and pasted an entire link from this very thread.

Mac, you twat.

I know if u make a hole in an SSD from front to back around 3.2 km diameter woudnt that destroy a SSD

“sorry i type wrong but a 3.2 km diameter hole from the front to back to the SSD that is the reflex cannon fire power at a range of 192,000 km”

Starships aren’t inert objects you moron, they’re shielded machines braced by heavy armour, tensor fields, inertial compensators and powerful energy fields. Since the energy required to create a 3.2km crater only exceeds 150 megatons at most, the energy delivered by the cannon in your “source” is several thousand times too weak to even compete with the output of a medium turbolaser.

An event that even smaller Star Destroyers can survive dozens to hundreds of.

1) “there also the shield and the shield generator are also easy pick veritech could destroy them easily”

Based on what evidence?

2) “and i never saw the ssd destroy several x-wing fighter with one shot of his turbo laser infact it can hardly hit them”

It actually hit and destroyed several bombers on a collision course with the bridge, destroying one of them with a shot at an oblique angle that most military gunners would agree is practically impossible to accomplish against fast moving targets.

3) “one the shields are down i dont care what material it its it will have the same result”

Based on what evidence?

Seriously Mac, does your Mother know that you’re using the home computer? Tell her to put a lock on the internet access until you’re old enough to use it unsupervised.

1) “zendradi ships are not made of plastic u know small ships an escape undamage from more than a hundred direct hits from convensional missile and those where large missile”

Which you have yet to quantify.

2) “but the reflex cannon can desintegrate them in one hit”

So by that logic a Reflex Cannon should be able to disintegrate even a Xeelee vessel, even though Xeelee vessels frequently hide inside the cores of stars and black holes? Get real moron, starships aren’t inert objects, therefore it is illogical to assume that impacts and energy events that effortlessly destroy vessels in one fictional universe will even register as remotely effective in another; unless of course you can provide calculations as to how much energy is released by a Reflex Cannon, then we can determine how it scales against the Executor.

Can you do that? Can you use a calculator?

3) “nice insult but i dont need one just place my point”

What point is that? Idiots and Children shouldn’t be allowed near the internet? Well you’ve done a stellar job thus far at furthering your case, that’s for sure.

Its a free country pal if children are not so must grumpy adult who need insult prove a point

This is still being argued?

Really now, I’m a big fan of the SDF class warships, but they just don’t have what it takes to face off with the ridiculousness (and by ridiculousness, I mean ridiculously powerful) that is the SSD.

I’ve done a little digging and found that someone indeed tried to do some yield calculations for the weaponry found in Macross (and by extension Robotech: The Macross Saga), I really can’t comment on how accurate these calculations are, so take them as you will; http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=146024&highlight=macross+calculations.

Anyways, even if those yields were correct it still puts the SDF-1′s firepower several orders of magnitude below the SSD.

@Mac

You should check this article out, it’ll give you an inkling how much power generation the Death Star was capable of; http://scienceblogs.com/builtonfacts/2009/02/the_physics_of_the_death_star.php.

L-W, I admire your resolve in trying to enlighten the masses, but Mac’s mass is a little too dense for anything to get through.

@ Mac, hey genius, welcome to the world wide web. In case you haven’t noticed this isn’t a country and nor are even all the members here even American.

Anyway, back onto topic, what the heck is with the bait and switch topic? Trying to divert us from your less than intellectually stimulating posts? I mean what the heck? The Executor crashing into the Death Star has nothing to do with gravity much less black holes, but then again we never said the Executor could survive that anyway. L-W just mentioned Xeelee vessels as an extreme form of hyperbole in response to you proclaiming that the Reflex cannon can destroy anything without backing it up.