I resent the idea of being typecast.

Either way the SDF-1 is packing some pretty serious firepower, with the reflex cannon itself being calculated to be in the high gigaton range. Unfortunately the re-fire rate for such a weapon appears to be horrendous, whilst the SSD (which I assume refers to the Executor) packs thousands more such weapons of equal or greater destructive power that can fire in repeated salvos.

When taking into account their non-relativistic maneuvering capabilities and acceleration (inferior to the Executor), numerous relatively low tonnage weapons, a distinct lack of energy shielding and a vulnerability to enemies only capable of lobbing around weapons in the low megaton range and you’re starting to witness a contender that isn’t quite going to match the might of an SSD anytime soon.

Happy Birthday admin!

Happy Birthday Admin! =D

And like orber…I know nothing of the SDF-1

How big is the SDF-1 in both it’s modes anyway? Not that that would allow for a win on Robotech’s side, I’m just curious. As for who I’d think would win, the SSD has proven itself time and time again against some pretty strong enemies.

I’d say that if SDF-1 get’s it’s valkyrie complement (that’s 300+ against SSD’s 144) then it has a far chance at picking apart a super star destroyer with mostly fighter superiority, using the main gun primarily for breaching the forward shields. Considering that the original Executor was beheaded by fighters, it’s plausible that a super star destroyer could be shot down by fighters.

Also, the SDF main gun is stated to use super dimensional energy. Judging it’s effect of the same type of weapon in macross frontier, I’d say that it involves both a gravitational aspect as well as standard charged particles. Star wars has very limited gravity technology, the inertial dampeners and artificial gravity might provide some protection, but they were never intended for that kind of stress. Most likely, the inertial dampeners get de-synced, much like what happened to the invisible hand, and end up inflicting secondary damage.

@Belisaurius (did i spell that right?)

I thought the fighter killing the bridge of the org Executor was a Plo-uuhhh fluke *cough*
while we know just the SDF-1 and Just the SSD the SSD comes out on top (SDF-1 1 high power gun that has a crappy firing rate vs SSD alot of High power Guns that fire alot) to say it could be taken out with the 300+ fighters of the SDF-1 we need to know the specs of those fighters

1) “I’d say that if SDF-1 get’s it’s valkyrie complement (that’s 300+ against SSD’s 144) then it has a far chance at picking apart a super star destroyer with mostly fighter superiority, using the main gun primarily for breaching the forward shields.”

You have yet to quantify the power of the main weapon and whether or not it could even dampen the exaton level main shields. Poor form indeed.

2) “Considering that the original Executor was beheaded by fighters, it’s plausible that a super star destroyer could be shot down by fighters.”

After taking a half an hour bombardment from the main body of the Rebel fleet.

Happy Birthday Admin and happy valentines. Also if I could get a fact pile birthday present I would propose that on my birthday No one speaks vile words but that is just a suggestion

and if the SDF-1 gets its fighters and such we are talkin over 1000+ vehicles pouring outta the SDF-1 while it sit inside its durable shield and fires off its 1000+ plus weapon arrays

and the number nxt to them is how many individual units are in a cluster and to second number is how many clusters there are.

big flaw in Darkblade agument

“RPG STATS” yeah the speeds could be used but

“MACROSS CANNON: The SDF-1’s most powerful weapon is the twin boomed Macross Cannon. Officially it is called an Overtechnology Macross bow-firing super-dimension-energy cannon with beam polarizing converging system, however it is more commonly referred to as Macross Cannon for ease of reference. The weapon consists of the two forward booms of the SDF-1 splitting apart and an energy buildup taking place which results in an energy beam up to 120,000 miles (192,000 km) long and 2 miles (3.2 km) wide that destroys EVERYTHING in its path. The weapon however uses an immense amount of power and once fired, the cannon takes a full 5 MINUTES (20 melee rounds) to recharge.

* PRIMARY PURPOSE: Heavy Assault
* SECONDARY PURPOSE: Anti-Warship
* RANGE: 60,000 miles (96,000 km) in an atmosphere. Double in space.
* DAMAGE: Destroys EVERYTHING in its path, regardless of MDC and movement. The only way to avoid obliteration is to avoid being in the path of the beam! If used against a planet, the beam causes 3D6×1,000,000 MD (!), leaving only a crater 2D6×10 miles long and 3D6×100 feet deep. The resulting shockwave will also cause substantial damage to surrounding terrain for an additional 1D6×10 miles from the edge of the crater. (Note: A sufficiently strong force field can deflect/absorb the beam if necessary. Examples of such fields include multiple pinpoint barrier shields layered on top of each other and barriers generated by stronger Protodeviln beings. A force field must have AT LEAST 20,000 MDC capacity before it can resist a heavy particle beam of this magnitude.)
* RATE OF FIRE: Once per 5 minutes (20 melees).
* PAYLOAD: Effectively Unlimited. ”

there is no numbers it just spams EVERYTHING for the damage part

again i guess the speeds could be used (they are canon right?)

“SPEEDS:

Speed (Sublight): 0.20 speed of light (37,200 miles per second)
Speed (Auxiliary Drives): Mach 2.0
Speed (Space Fold): 1 light year every 6 minutes
Planet bound:
Can land and take off if necessary but not designed to maneuver in an atmosphere for extended periods of time.
Maximum Range: Unlimited (estimated life span unknown) ”

so yeah the RPG thing is flaw in my book

“MACROSS CANNON
HIGH-SPEED 178 CM RAIL CANNONS (4)
GUIDED CONVERGING BEAM CANNONS (8)
ANTI-MECHA LASER TURRETS (100)
ANTI-MECHA MISSILE LAUNCHERS (24)
PINPOINT BARRIER DEFENCE SYSTEM: Developed onboard the SDF-01 Macross during Space War One, the Pinpoint Barrier System is a standard defense system on board all UN Spacy starships as a defensive system. The system generates four small disc-shaped force fields that can be positioned anywhere along the ship to deflect missiles, energy beams or projectiles. Each pinpoint barrier is about 200 ft (61 m) in length and can absorb up to 5,000 MD in damage, which then regenerates within four seconds (2 melee rounds). The barriers can also be layered on top of each other to generate a field which provides 20,000 MDC and can even deflect heavy particle beams (usually).

The four barriers are controlled by operators in the command tower of the carrier. These operators are instructed to defend (1) the command tower, bridge, and sensor array, (2) main engines, (3) hangar bays, and (4) weapon systems, in that order. The operators primarily concentrate on defending the ship against larger spacecraft and leave defense against mecha attacking the carrier to the VF pilots.
OMNIDIRECTIONAL BARRIER DEFENCE SYSTEM: Used only once as an extension of the Pin Point Barrier Defence. The Omnidirectional Barrier completely encircles the battle fortress in a nearly-impregnable force field sphere. The disadvantage of the barrier system is that no weapons can be fired, nor any fighters/support craft launched or recovered while the shield is up. Due to a flaw in the system the barrier overloaded during its first use, completely destroying the North American Ontario Quadrant. Because of this disastrous mishap and other problems the omnidirectional barrier system has not been used again since, and has not been installed in any other UN Spacy spaceships. ”

i dont think they all add up to 10,000

“SDF-1 sports 4 ARMD platforms each with around 1000-2000 weapon arrays”
ARMD is a ship dude
http://unsd.macrossroleplay.org/armdplatform.html
and SDF-1 only has 2 apparently

not to mention that the 2 ARMDs weapons combined are not > then 200

http://www.new-un-spacy.com/macrossdyrl/macross-dyrl.htm

http://www.new-un-spacy.com/macrossdyrl/armd-dyrl.htm

Known statistics for both the SDF-1 Macross and ARMD Class Space Carrier.

The SSD would most definitely win, but the SDF-1 is still winner in my heart.

1) “The main body that was caught up in innumerable point blank battles with imperial star destroyers, that main body?”

What a completely senseless and idiotic non-sequiter, if you have a point of comparison to make try not to sound like a moron when doing so.

2) “Also, 200 Gigatons? Even the Tsar bomb was only 50 Megatons, I’d like to see some citations.”

A) Star Wars Incredible Cross-Sections – Ep II, pg. 22:

Republic Assault Ship – 12 quad turbolasers (200 gigatons per shot).

B) Star Wars Incredible Cross-Sections – Ep. III, pg. 14:

Banking Clan Frigate – Two huge turbolaser cannons can melt-blast an ice moon measuring 1000 kilometers in diameter (estimated at 60 petatons).

C) Star Wars Incredible Cross-Sections – Ep. III pg. 15:

Invisible Hand – Quad turbolaser cannon’s maximum yield is equivelant to a magnitude 10 earthquake (1 teraton).

I low how you blatantly assume that just because we as a modern civilization, with only several thousand years of recorded history, can only construct large fusion explosives limited to yields of only a hundred megatons, that a galaxy-wide civilization that has had access to interstellar travel for 25,000 years will suffer the same technical issues that limit our comparatively primitive matter to energy conversion (or use fissile fuel for that matter).

Never mind the fact that a 16km wide reactor in their universe can generate enough energy within the space of a few hours as to completely vaporize a planet even when operating at a third of her original capacity. Jesus, some people must deliberately blind themselves to convenient and obvious events, since the average internet hero will continuously remind us that the largest fusion weapon to use fissile material in existence is only capable of an X amount of yield; an absolutely pointless non-sequiter since we’re talking about a civilization more than capable of building planet vaporizing lasers that would by all definition HAVE to use material far more energetic than Plutonium.

Wow I can’t believe I didn’t notice that. My birthday was just a day earlier than Admins.

@Admin
Thank you very much!

@L-W

Conservation of energy. Even with unrealistic specific heats and the effects of vacuum (that should increase the blast radius, blueshift the colors, and quicken the cooling) explosions aren’t at gigaton level and the armor on ships doesn’t vaporize right. A gigaton of boom should be enough to convert significant sections of a ship to energy even with a specific heat of thousands of degrees. A gigaton of boom would be more than enough to completely erase new york city off the face of the earth. 200 gigatons of boom would render a continent into molten slag, yet we hear of several shots are required in an orbital bombardment..

In short, 200 Gigatons is unrealistic and absurd.

Just as a quick re-cap for anyone who is interested, not only has Belisaurius disregarded actual solid canon documentation released by Lucasfilm Ltd with no reasonable objection, but has used his less than stellar understanding of physical laws as a means of dissuading the entire argument (whilst conveniently ignoring the canon documentation that he asked for in the first place) by shifting the goalposts.

In anything more than an informal debate, this shit would not pass.

Is it strange if I love L-W’s posts?

How the hell did you melt your eyes?

MAC, Your post makes no sense at all. For example you say the SSD (now called a Star Dreadnaught) can only engage one ship at a time. Pure and utter bullshit. It can engage multiple enemies at once.

And what carrier are you talking about? Home One? The battleship/carrier hybrid? The Executor wasn’t fighting it at all actually on the Emperor’s orders because he wanted to use the Death Star to devastate the Rebel Fleet.

“on the ohter hand the SDF-1 main cannon can destroy and have destroy serveral ship some as big as the ssd in one shot”

Wow. You do realize the SDF-1 is 1200meters in length right? Where as the Executor is 19,000 meters in length. The Executor’s shield is rated by our very own L-W at the exoton range and the reflex cannon is rated at the 165 gigaton range while the turbolasers in Star Wars are capable of destructive yields ranging from 200 gigatons to 1 teraton. And the Executor is covered from the bow to the stern with thousands of these weapons.

So quite frankly, no. The SDF is an awesome machine but in this fight it’s up against a heavy weight that can hit far harder and take much more than the SDF can give.

I love how some people forget that when the Executor was destroyed it was because an entire rebel fleet designated it as their target and were effectively pouring a small star’s worth of energy into the Executor’s shield. And it was only destroyed because the ship collided with the Death Star II before the secondary command bridge could come online.

I’m going to have to agree with Zervziel.

The SDF-1 is a respectable warship, but the SSD is far and beyond anything it’s ever faced.

“well i can agree but a single shot can still destroy the SSD”

Considering that the Reflex Cannon generates a fraction of the energy of a single heavy turbolaser and is often used only once in a blue moon, I’ll have to stop you right there.

Quit. Being. A. Fucking. Moron.

It was actually based on posted RPG stats, which if you read the entire thread would know that I don’t condone in the least.

However neither do I condone the idea that because said Cannon managed to score kills against X amount of vessels it should be more than effective against one. Starships aren’t inert objects, therefore unless we witness the cannon used against an object of quantifiable mass (asteroids, planets etc.) we can’t form an accurate judgment of said firepower.