Suggested by Zervziel
I think this might be one of it’s kind, featuring all of these dragons. While I think the Krayt Dragon would quickly get wiped out, the battle between Deathwing and Saphira would be quite epic. If I had to select a winner, I’ll take Deathwing by a few scales…
Who do you think wins?
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September 3, 2009
#1
Holy shit! Deathwing looks mad!
September 3, 2009
#2
Sad to say Deathwing is an insignificant ally of the Burning Legion.
September 3, 2009
#3
Saphira is the sorriest manifestation of a dragon to date… I would bet that the dragon from dragon heart could whoop her… and a star wars dragon?? Deathwing would most like impose his will on the blue dragon’s in the worst of ways… ick…
September 3, 2009
#4
deathwing looks strongest but i only know about saphira
September 3, 2009
#5
i only know about Saphira but Deathwing seems to be the most powerfull.
September 3, 2009
#6
“Saphira is the sorriest manifestation of a dragon to date”
No, that’d be the wish dragon from Neverending story.
… I would bet that the dragon from dragon heart could whoop her”
He didn’t have magic powers, or breathe hot enough to reforge diamond.
“and a star wars dragon??”
Agree wholeheartedly to that sentiment
“Deathwing would most like impose his will on the blue dragon’s in the worst of ways… ick…”
See, much as I dislike the books, objectively speaking Saphira brings a lot to this match as of the second book. I know nothing of Deathwing though, so can someone fill in some details there? Thats hardly a unique name in fantasy genres.
September 3, 2009
#7
Neltharion was his name prior to turning into an evil badass, he chose Deathwing as his new title, he is a WoW character and is pretty much a low tier 3 (sub-skyfather) or a high tier 4 (herald) with amazing powers when he possess his demon soul… as is demonstrated by this quote:
“Malygos’ Blue Dragonflight surrounded Deathwing, but with a swing of the Dragon Soul most of the blue dragons perished. The next swing of the Demon Soul paralyzed all dragonflights a”nd the Dragon Aspects in mid-air, rendering them unable to move or speak. ”
So my vote is definitely Deathwing at this time…
September 3, 2009
#8
Saphira. She is the strongest Dragon to date I have heard of. She turned Rock into crystal, fought over a 100 thousand orcs by herself, and breathes fire to melt Diamonds. Beat THAT.
September 3, 2009
#9
@Drayflare
When did Saphira ever fight 100 thousand orcs?
In the Eragon world, there is no such thing as orcs, only urgals.
- pondering fool
September 3, 2009
#10
” Saphira. She is the strongest Dragon to date I have heard of. She turned Rock into crystal, fought over a 100 thousand orcs by herself, and breathes fire to melt Diamonds. Beat THAT. ”
- Deathwing can cause volcanoes to appear at will… and that’s child’s play to him. He’s basically a god among Dragons. So yeah, I did beat that.
September 3, 2009
#11
Um Drayflare, read the post above yours… that did beat that… easily… what do you think kenny C
September 3, 2009
#12
Saphira is pretty powerful with magic, good in battle, can fly and breathe fire (just about what any self-respecting dragon should do), but she doesnt have the power that DeathWing is able to summon. He is afterall, like Kenny C., a god among dragons.
@Drayflare
Saphirea is not the strongest dragon to date, she is the one of the two surviving dragons (the other one being Galbatorix’s dragon). Please read the literature before making such assumptions my friend.
- the pondering fool, with a new haircut
September 3, 2009
#13
definetley deathwing. He is the king of all black dragons. What is saphira? a blue? so that means shes with malygos, meaning shes insane. Deathwing is by far prolly the most powerful dragon in WoW, so i gotta go with him. Plus his kids got there own raids. He must be so proud
September 3, 2009
#14
Of the three dragons, Saphira is definitely the smallest, but is also almost undoubtedly the most manueverable. She is(supposedly) extraordinarily gifted in flying and speed manuevers, compared to other dragons in the Inheritance Cycle.
I couldn’t find a reliable measure of Saphira’s overall size, but by the end of the third book of the Cycle she is just under one year old, about 10-11 months. Inheritance dragons are considered “mature” at six months, which is the usual time when they can breath fire and, uh, produce eggs. At one month old, Saphira was as tall at the shoulders as a human is at the elbows, and was big enough to support the weight of a human before she turned two months old. She supported three people, with difficulty, when she was about 5 months old.
The Krayt is basically just a big lizard. Though it would easily dwarf Saphira in terms of size, being about 100 meters, it does not have the ability to fly or breathe fire, and is much less manueverable. It would not be much of a challenge for either of the other two dragons to take the Krayt out.
Personally, I don’t like Saphira as a character at all. She’s extremely arrogant, very narcissistic, self-justified, and the author tries too hard to make her sound wise. So, I’m personally hoping that Deathwing will take her apart. From the information I can find, I’d agree mostly with the general assumption here that Deathwing’s sheer power will overwhelm her, if he can deal with her speed.
Of course, there’s one issue–sad to say–that could tip the scales in Saphira’s favor. On rare occasions(she can’t control when), Saphira gains the ability to use magic, with which she can accomplish feats such as transmuting stone to diamond or mending a fractured gem sixty feet across. This might be the nudge she needs to win, but as for myself, I’m putting my money on Deathwing.
September 3, 2009
#15
@ Sapper
I agree with you…. wait does this match allow Deathwing to have the demon soul?
September 3, 2009
#16
I say Saphira only if it is book version. Movie=Fail. Book=Win. Saphira is quite strong though. But I belive Deathwing takes it. But Sapper why hatein on Saphira? Just wondering.
September 3, 2009
#17
@ Captain Epic
Why do you support Saphira?- need reasons!
September 3, 2009
#18
Saphira. She can maneuver, and breath fire to melt diamonds. I doubt the other dragons could match that.
September 3, 2009
#19
Sorry. I didn’t see my post above, and thought that It didn’t post.=/ My PC is messes up. But, so anyway, she fought almost a 100 thousand Urgals in Tronjheim. Or close. Sue Eragon helped, but he didn’t do a whole lot. She was more of a fighter then he was then.
September 4, 2009
#20
DEATHWING IS A GOD DRAYFLARE…..Saphira can not stand up with that!
September 4, 2009
#21
“But, so anyway, she fought almost a 100 thousand Urgals in Tronjheim. ”
Are you stupid, or just trolling? Firstly, show me where it says 100000 Urgals in the Eragon novelisation. Secondly, tell me why you discounted the entire Varden and Dwarf armies. Thirdly, me where it says Spahira killed more than even a hundred of those Urgals. Provide evidence or refrain from making things up.
September 4, 2009
#22
@Drayflare
Mate, were in the book did she fight 100000 Urgals at Tronjheim? If I remember, she and eragon were a reserve type force, sent to go were the fighting was thickest, to SUPPORT, the Varden and Dwarf armies. It would be complete insanity to believe that Saphira, even with her rider, could take on 100000 Urgals at any given moment. Sure, she is very manuverable, and can breathe fire (don’t know where it says she can burn it so hot to melt diamond…..). For the matter of magic, it is an involuntary action, as she can not will magic to happen, it just happens at random moments in the plot.
- pondering fool
September 4, 2009
#23
“Mate, were in the book did she fight 100000 Urgals at Tronjheim?”
All right, this matter needs to be cleared up.
Saphira did not fight 100,000 Urgals at once. I doubt that there were even that many Urgals in all the combined tribes and armies that attacked Farthen Dur. Armies of 100,000 or more are considered insanely large in the Inheritance Cycle, and just 16,000 is considered a strong force. The Urgals would never have been able to manuever that many troops into attacking Tronjheim at once. In case anyone doesn’t know, Tronjheim is located under the ten-mile-high mountain Farthen Dur in the Beor Mountain range, and the only way to reach it is to navigate a maze of tunnels the size of a small country.
And just for future reference, the majority of the Urgals at Tronjheim were killed either by infighting(after their commander was killed and order dissolved among the ranks) or fighting the thousands-strong armies of the Varden and Dwarves. Eragon and Saphira spent most of the battle flying around and blitzing the Urgals, and both of them acknowledged that it would cost both their lives to kill enough Urgals to make a significant difference in the battle.
Saphira has shown to be able to kill Urgals or Kull(super-Urgals) with one blow, often rending them in half, but I doubt she could fight more than several hundred herself. A single army of a few thousand, I believe, was enough to intimidate her during the first book to flee, and she resorted to dropping rocks on them from above.
A better example of her limits was shone when she and Eragon battled against an army of +100,000 human soldiers in “Eldest.” They fought and slaughtere them by the dozens, but Saphira eventually became tired long before they’d taken out a significant portion of the army, and they had about 20,000–30,000 human soldiers helping them, and later, about as many dwarves.
Now, onto the diamond melting. I don’t recall ever seeing Saphira do this. She transmuted sandstone into diamond once, but that was magic-based, not fire-based(she couldn’t even breathe fire at that point), and she didn’t melt the diamond. She managed to melt stone in Eldest, but only after a repeated period of fire-breathing. At one point, she spent 30 minutes melting one stone pillar. She melted and then reshaped a boulder that was 2-3 times the size of a human, but this happened offscreen and we have no indication of how easy it was for her or how long it took. While the maximum heat of her fire should be considered able to melt stone, it is not the stone-and-metal vaporizing, diamond-melting power that most people consider it to be, unless she augmented it with magic, or something.
“I say Saphira only if it is book version. Movie=Fail. Book=Win.”
Exactly, movie Saphira wouldn’t have a chance. Even though I don’t really like her, I have to admit that she’s been mutiliated by the media. The movie version looked entirely wrong and was much weaker, not to mention an ugly blueish-gray instead of vibrant blue. Then on the audiobook version, her voice sounded like Yoda with a sore throat. WTF?
September 4, 2009
#24
I know she didn’t kill them, I never said that. Sure the other armies were helping, but……. Plus, all of the Urgals saw her. The archers, about 10,000 I’m guessing, all shot at her. She just stood there and Tanked it out. And she can melt diamonds. I think, (Not sure) It’s in Brisingr. She tells Eragon that’s what her and Glader practiced that day, and she finished it by the end of the day. Brisingr is the best indication for all of this. She flew what took Eragon like 2 weeks to run, in elf form, around 3 days to fly. Plus, she took on Thorn, with Relative ease. It’s just that Murtaugh healed him over and over. Murtaugh is the threat, not Thorn.
September 4, 2009
#25
” I know she didn’t kill them, I never said that. Sure the other armies were helping, but……. Plus, all of the Urgals saw her. The archers, about 10,000 I’m guessing, all shot at her. She just stood there and Tanked it out. And she can melt diamonds. I think, (Not sure) It’s in Brisingr. She tells Eragon that’s what her and Glader practiced that day, and she finished it by the end of the day. Brisingr is the best indication for all of this. She flew what took Eragon like 2 weeks to run, in elf form, around 3 days to fly. Plus, she took on Thorn, with Relative ease. It’s just that Murtaugh healed him over and over. Murtaugh is the threat, not Thorn. ”
- This doesn’t explain how she would beat a dragon GOD, Deathwing the Destroyer.
- Can can maneuver,but all he would need to do is look at Saphira, laugh, and then rip her in two with his claws.
September 5, 2009
#26
Ok seriously guys, Deathwing curbstomps. Like I mean, Necron Monolith vs. a modern tank curbstomps. Seriously, Deathwing is one of THE most badass fantasy creations of all time and by far one of the most powerful non-god characters in WoW. The Lich King wouldn’t even stand a chance agianst this monster.
First off, Deathwing is Neltharion the Earth Warder, the Dragon Aspect of earth. Meaning he is the steward of the Earth itself. He has uncontested rule of the ground and everything in it, granting him the ability to cause earth quakes and volcanic eruptions powerful enough to effect global scales. Oh yeah, and the Dragon Aspects are the biggest of all dragons, meaning Neltharion is probably around a thousand feet long, maybe bigger.
Second, he’s insane. Not insane as in ‘my precious’ insane… well, he is, but it works for him. He is so mad that he will work to acomplish his goals with a single minded fury that no other being could muster. He over powered a barrier constructed by the Old Gods on his own.
Third. During the creation of the Dragon soul Deathwing stole and manipulated the other Dragon aspects powers. This, coupled with his steadily increasing power caused his body to burst at the seams with power. In order to keep himself whole, he had an army of Goblins weld meter thick Adamantium plates to his entire body. You know how Wolverine has adamantium bones? Well, imagine Wolverine, except adamantium on the outside, and in mega-dragon form being 1000 feet long. Oh yeah, and the energy still seeps out inbetween the plates. He attempted to mate with Sintharia and her entire body was scared simply from making contact with him.
Fourth: Being an aspect, he has magical prowess unrivaled by all except for Malyogs, the spell weaver himself. In human form, Neltharion created a spell called the Hungering Death. This spell created spectral tendrils that sought out their target, wherever they may be in the entire world, and ‘erase’ them from existence. Krasus, a master dragon-mage with 15000 years experience manipulating magic barely managed to counter this spell, and he nearly killed himself in the process. He is capable of weaving spells and wards capable of destroying or protecting entire continentes, coupled with his hundreds of thousnads of years of experience and his nature as an aspect means that his one of the most powerful non-God beings in all Fantasy.
Deathwing could simply look at Saphira and she would be dead. He has shown this ability before.
September 5, 2009
#27
Saphira is a weak piece of shit. I’ve read the three books, Eragons doing the work, honestly. 10K archers shooting at her? Lolno. In the battle for Farthen Dur she would be a tiny spleck in the sky, because most of the battlefield was completely dark hence taking place in a large cavern, and the Urgals were pounding their arrows at the incoming professional and veteran armies of the Dwarves and Varden.
I clearly remember an Urgal throwing a spear and it cleanly ripping throw her wing, forcing her to land nearby. There were only a few dozen arrows fired at her, and bounced off due to the fact that she was wearing STEEL armor. Now, what kind of badass dragon needs steel armor? Hell, the Dargon from The Hobbit was bitch slapping arrows out of the way with his wings. Without her armor you can stab a spear through her scales. She ain’t strong, she’s a pussy spell-caster.
And Eragon is kind of a failure too. Murtagh kicked his ass without even taking Elf form. Murtagh is the badass here.
WoW dragon curbstomps.
September 5, 2009
#28
Holy crap this is still being argued? Deathwing won before the battle even got posted on the site.
September 5, 2009
#29
“Ok seriously guys, Deathwing curbstomps.”
I am baffled that anyone said otherwise, let alone so many. Deathwing ROFLSTOMPS this match with no difficulty at all.
September 5, 2009
#30
Deathwing wins this, no question for anybody with common sense.
September 6, 2009
#31
“Plus, all of the Urgals saw her. The archers, about 10,000 I’m guessing, all shot at her. She just stood there and Tanked it out.
Well, looks like more inaccuracies. Well, as an Inheritance expert, I guess it’s up to me to set the facts straight, here.
Firstly, Saphira did not dodge 10,000 archers all at once, or take their attacks in stride. I’d like to remind you that it was night at the time of the battle, and Farthen Dur was PITCH-BLACK, except for some torches used by both sides to illuminate the battlefield. When Saphira entered the air, she passed out of the range of the fires and the urgals couldn’t see her. If they shot at her, they would have been firing blind.
“And she can melt diamonds. I think, (Not sure) It’s in Brisingr. She tells Eragon that’s what her and Glader practiced that day”
The exercise that Glaedr(GLAEDR, not GLADER) put her thrown was melting stone, not diamond. You think that Glaedr has a bunch of huge diamonds that he whips out whenever he needs to train a dragon to breathe fire? Exerpt from Eldest:
“To increase her endurance, Glaedr had Saphira breathe fire for hours on a natural stone pillar in an effort to melt it.”
“Plus, she took on Thorn, with Relative ease. It’s just that Murtaugh healed him over and over. Murtaugh is the threat, not Thorn.”
Not offense Drayflare, but I think this is one of the most ignorant comments that I’ve ever heard about the Inhertiance Cycle.
The first time Saphira fought Thorn(Eldest), she had several advantages. She was older, larger, and more experienced, and wore steel-plate armor over her whole body, while Thorn had only her scales. Despite this, Thorn pummeled her until “her tongue hung from her mouth and she gave up flying and merely glided” and then successfully forced her to land. Not to mention that at the time, Thorn’s leg had been slashed open and he wasn’t fighting at his strongest.
The second time they fought, the battle effectively ended in a stalemate when both dragons were exhausted and their Riders ran out of magic. There was never any mention of Saphira fighting “with ease.” In fact, she took a multitude of injuries from Thorn during the fight, including a slashed open wing, bloody furrows dug into her shoulders, numerous scales slashed open or beaten in from Thorn’s repeated blows to her midsection, and also the injury caused when Thorn divebombed her at full speed and crashed into her with a level of force that was compared to Saphira crushing into a mountain. After the battle, Saphira was horribly exhausted and needed healing several times before and after the fight. Plus, nearly all the injuries she inflicted on Thorn in that battle were caused by surprise attacks or trickery, because Thorn had grown to muscular and thick in the limbs for her to defeat openly.
You call that easy? I don’t. The only thing that implied that Saphira would even be able to match Thorn, let alone fight him easily, was the hot air that Saphira spewed after the battle.
Because of her embarrassment over failing to beat Thorn, Saphira claimed that she would be able to beat him if Murtagh hadn’t been healing and assisting him, ignoring the fact that Saphira herself had gotten assistance from her own Rider during the same fight, including mutliple healings.
(For any of you non-Inheritance readers who are wondering who Thorn is, he’s the badass red dragon on the cover of “Eldest.”)
Saphira is a very arrogant, stand-offish character, and she’s VERY prone to overstating what she’s capable of. On one occasion, for example, she claimed that she doubted even gods would be willing to challenge her.(I’m sure Deathwing will be happy to set her straight on that one.)
By the way, it’s MURTAGH, not MURTAUG.
“And Eragon is kind of a failure too. Murtagh kicked his ass without even taking Elf form. Murtagh is the badass here.”
Hehehe, total agreement with you there, teh soviet. Murtagh is easily the best character in the whole Inheritance Cycle.
“I am baffled that anyone said otherwise, let alone so many. Deathwing ROFLSTOMPS this match with no difficulty at all.”
Originally I was willing to give Saphira the benefit of the doubt, with her magic and all, but after hearing more about Deathwing and doing some research, I have to agree. He’s just at a higher level than any beast, even a highly magical one that breathes fire.
While Saphira should be able to beat the Krayt without too much trouble, she’s simply outmatched against what Deathwing seems to be capable of.
September 6, 2009
#32
Everybody, Fact Pile Award for Deathwing.
September 8, 2009
#33
“Everybody, Fact Pile Award for Deathwing.”
I second that nomination.
September 9, 2009
#34
What if Saphira and the Greater Krayt Dragon teamed up?
September 9, 2009
#35
“What if Saphira and the Greater Krayt Dragon teamed up?”
If Deathwing has nearly god-like powers and can destroy things just by looking at them, I don’t think two powerful beasts teamed against him will do much more than one.
September 10, 2009
#36
Aw. No love for the Greater Krayt? Maybe I need to spill some facts. For example the Greater Krayt can reach 100 meters in length. It can borrow through sand but also through much firmer ground if needed. Also the Krayt is is greatly feared for two reasons.
First is it’s ferocity and tendency to attack by ambushing it’s prey. It also likes to eat sarlaccs . Two it’s hide is immune to Star Wars grade hand held weaponry. You practically need an X-wing to bring one down. Saphira on the other hand is threatened by freaking arrows.
Also the Greater Krayt would rip Saphira apart in combat. After all she has 5 limbs fit for combat (I’m counting her tail) while the Krayt has 11 (‘m counting it’s tail too).
All of this is rendered moot by the mad dragon aspect, whose simple reemergance from the elemantal plane, Deepholme, shattered the freaking planet. Also Drayflare omitted that Saphira didn’t melt diamonds it was a pillar of rock, even then she’s spent several hours breathing fire on it and then licking it to make the piece of art she wanted. He also failed to mention Saphira has no real control over her powers and that they have yet to manifest while in combat.
Saphira and Deathwing have one advantage over the Greater Krayt in that they are fairly intelligent (ok I lie, Deathwing is exceedingly intelligent). However so are humans and that hasn’t stopped the Krayt from killing them. In the battle I can see Deathwing annihilating Saphira because of her association with humans and then just simply killing the Krayt or twisting it to his will.
Also Diana, Deathwing has never been associated with the Burning Legion. Shortly before Sapper 007′s example, Deathwing had used the Demon Soul to devastate the Burning Legion. Think Earthquake mixed with Volcanoes on an epic scale.
Anyway, Deathwing wins, Saphira dies, Krayt dies or is mindcontrolled and used as a massive guard dog.
September 10, 2009
#37
“Also the Greater Krayt would rip Saphira apart in combat. After all she has 5 limbs fit for combat (I’m counting her tail) while the Krayt has 11 (’m counting it’s tail too).”
Saphira can fly, can breathe fire, has human-level intelligence, and can sometimes use magic.(She can’t control it, but that doesn’t mean it can’t come out at a critical moment. One dragon in the Inheritance Cycle freed itself from an extremely powerful imprisoning spell mid-combat because its Rider was in danger.)
Also, Saphira’s scales stop arrows quite easily, without any pain. It is only her relatively delicate wings that can be damaged by melee weapons. Otherwise, you need something magical(like a Rider’s Sword) to piece a dragon’s scales, or the fangs/talons of another dragon.
“Also Drayflare omitted that Saphira didn’t melt diamonds it was a pillar of rock, even then she’s spent several hours breathing fire on it and then licking it to make the piece of art she wanted”
The making of the “piece of art” weren’t explictly shown, only described. Saphira never said she spent hours just on melting it. The highest amount of time stated for Saphira to spend on one pillar was half an hour, though she spent several hours a day melting various stone pillars, as a method of increasing her endurance.
But yeah, it doesn’t really matter in the end. Saphira should be able to best the Krayt’s superior strength with her various advantages, Deathwing is just going to blast them both away whenever he wants to.
September 11, 2009
#38
@AHEM
“But yeah, it doesn’t really matter in the end. Saphira should be able to best the Krayt’s superior strength with her various advantages, Deathwing is just going to blast them both away whenever he wants to”
I agree definetely mate. Deathwing for the Fact Pile Award.
- pondering fool
September 11, 2009
#39
YES, Fact Pile Award for Deathwing.
September 13, 2009
#40
@Kenny C.
No Kenny, Deathwing needs to challenge Malygos or Alexstraza before going for a FP award.
September 13, 2009
#41
@ Diana
Damn, I hate logic.
September 13, 2009
#42
@ AHEM
Actually there were several time where Saphira was hurt by spears and arrows. And not in the wings as well. Besides, why the hell would they bother with the bulky, restrictive armor (which doesn’t cover her wings in any way) if Saphira’s scales couldn’t be breached by anything short of a rider’s sword? Hell in the first book, a Kull bashes in the plates around her chest cavity and causing her to have problems breathing, leading to Eragon to have to face Durza alone.
Hell, Galbatorix’s original dragon was slain by urgals, the Inheritance Cycle’s resident orc expy and they don’t have access to the weapons of the Rider’s.
Also let me give you the name of the occurrence of when a previously uncontrollable power comes into play to save the day: deus ex machina and excessive use of it is one of the clearest signs of an unexperienced and rather amateur writer.
Besides in these fights i was led to believe that they only counted the powers that the character can actually use at will. Besides her powers have only manifest to turn rock into diamond and give a girl an extra speshul mark on her forehead.
September 13, 2009
#43
@Kenny C.
Well consdering that Saphira and the Krayt Dragon are just snacks for Deathwing, hell, even Sapphiron could freeze the two.
September 13, 2009
#44
@Zervziel
Seems that you are always akeen on your suggested thread huh, well, anyway just a triva, your gravatar is the same as mine when I was a newbie on factpile a year ago.
September 13, 2009
#45
What’s akeen mean?
September 13, 2009
#46
Meaning, you are responsive and enthusiastic on your suggested thread.
September 13, 2009
#47
Well it covers material and characters I have an interest in. I suggested it figuring there had to be a few other people here who’d find this matchup interesting. Plus it kinda seems odd to me to suggest a thread, and then when Admin puts it up, not partake in the discussion.
September 13, 2009
#48
Yeah you’re right I felt guilty on my part too when I haven’t post my reply on a certain thread that I requested.
September 13, 2009
#49
Back to the topic, someone mentioned that Saphira’s ability to breath fire and fly are some advantages over the Krayt. It really depends.
The Krayt’s hide is immune to SW grade weaponry. You’d need a laser cannon to kill one. I don’t think that simple fire is going to cause it undo stress. Saphira had to spend half an hour breathing a sustained blast fire on a pillar of rock just to get it soft enough for her to lick into shape. I don’t think the Krayt would allow her 10 minutes. As for her ability to fly, it’s countered by the Krayt’s ability to burrow. The only difference is the Krayt can simply wait until she either has to land from exhaustion or simply fly away.
September 13, 2009
#50
“Hell in the first book, a Kull bashes in the plates around her chest cavity and causing her to have problems breathing, leading to Eragon to have to face Durza alone.”
The “problems breathing” were due to the smashed constriction of her armor, not damage to her scales themselves. The armor was ordinary metal, and I’d like to point that Kull are monsters with more strength then ten men who can move as fast as horses.
“Hell, Galbatorix’s original dragon was slain by urgals, the Inheritance Cycle’s resident orc expy and they don’t have access to the weapons of the Rider’s.”
No, but they do have shamans who can use magic, such as Dahzgra. Magic in the Inheritance Cycle is capable of pretty much breaking any defense, except one made of even stronger magic. An example of urgals utilizing magic was seen in the first book of the Inheritance Cycle, where urgal arrows were used to kill several elves, who were at the time being protected magical shields.
“Also let me give you the name of the occurrence of when a previously uncontrollable power comes into play to save the day: deus ex machina and excessive use of it is one of the clearest signs of an unexperienced and rather amateur writer.
Besides in these fights i was led to believe that they only counted the powers that the character can actually use at will.”
In case you haven’t noticed, this is a physical battle between dragons, not a critique of the writers who created them.
Anyway, it doesn’t make sense to totally discount Saphira’s magic just because she can’t decide how she can use it. It is a canonical ability, after all, that dragon’s magic manifests in times of great inspiration or desperate need, and that their strength is unparelelled when they do. Well it is sometimes used as a deus ex machina, it is by no means an “uncontrollable” outside force that Saphira has no control over.
Sure, there’s no guarentee that Saphira’s magic will come through, but that doesn’t mean it can’t, or that it should be considered to not be counted whatsoever. That would be basically handicapping Saphira unfairly simply because “it probably wouldn’t happen anyway.”
“Besides her powers have only manifest to turn rock into diamond and give a girl an extra speshul mark on her forehead.”
Irrevelent. Saphira’s semi-passive magic is not limited to those things. They’re simply he things she used them for. In the backstory of the Cycle, draconic magic was used in banishing the identities of targets and turning them into mindless beasts. In the third book, one dragon under pressure generates a concussion force with his magic so strong, it hits another dragon and his rider in mid-air and sends them “flying like windblown leaves.” Said magic-using dragon was also being restrained at the time by one of the most powerful magic-users in the Cycle, and the force was so powerful it shattered the restraining spells holding him and allowed him to move.
Furthermore, it has already been established that dragons’ magic isn’t grouped into specific “effects” that they can accomplish. Rather, the magic manifests to accomplish whatever effects the dragon wants/needs to have done at the moment. It will only take Saphira using her magic in the right way one time, and the Krayt will be done.
“The Krayt’s hide is immune to SW grade weaponry. You’d need a laser cannon to kill one. I don’t think that simple fire is going to cause it undo stress.”
That’s not so certain. Saphira’s fire is not just plain fire. Dragon fire in the Inheritance Cycle is magical in origin, to allow it to bypass defenses such as magical shields. Magic is so heavily concentrated in Saphira’s fire that it turns blue.(Matching Saphira’s scales and the color of her magic.) Even if the Krayt’s hide could survive intense heat, the magical nature of the flames may still damage it, if only because the weapons the Krayt has resisted are entirely science-based.
“Saphira had to spend half an hour breathing a sustained blast fire on a pillar of rock just to get it soft enough for her to lick into shape.”
How many times do I have to correct this? It was stated that 30 minutes is the maximum amount of time Saphira can maintain a straight blast of fire for. She spends hours every day melting several different stone pillars as a sort of exercise, to increase her endurance. As for the rock pillar that she licked into shape, we didn’t see or even hear about the making of it. She could have spent 30 minutes or 30 seconds on it for all we know.
“As for her ability to fly, it’s countered by the Krayt’s ability to burrow. The only difference is the Krayt can simply wait until she either has to land from exhaustion or simply fly away.”
That would depend on the arena. If the ground isn’t dirt or sand, then the Krayt wouldn’t be able to burrow, and battlefields are generally assumed to be neutral grounds that don’t give an advantage either way.
As for waiting her out, Saphira can fly for days without rest and not run herself into exhaustion. Furthermore, she knows how to restore her energy by stealing the lifeforce of everything nearby.(She and other dragons have used this technique before.) I don’t think keeping herself airborne is going to tire her out very soon.
Saphira also possesses telepathic powers; she can attack things through their minds. If you haven’t learned to defend your mind, then she can break in, deduce your exact location, or even take control of you. I don’t think that the Krayt Dragon has received any lessons on defending against telepaths out in the desert, so if they tried to hide, Saphira could easily locate them under the ground, and suck all the energy out of the Krayt until it died from exhaustion, or take control over it with her mind and make it fight Deathwing for her.(Not that it would do much good for Saphira in the long term, but it would get rid of the Krayt very quickly.)
Even if the Krayt could effectively hide from Saphira until she tired out, it wouldn’t do either of them very much good. Deathwing is in this fight, remember? He isn’t going to stand there for several days waiting for the other two to fight it out. If the Krayt stalls Saphira, all it will accomplish is a draw with her . . . in the form of Deathwing blasting them both away at the same time.
September 14, 2009
#51
Hm. Maybe I should have used the Duinuogwuin instead of a Krayt dragon. As for the magical dragon fire, I thought of that, but I figured I’d stick to regular fire as that can be measured some what. As for her impenetrable scales, she’s far from invincible. Hell, you were the one that mentioned Saphira’s immense ego and her tendency to overrate her own abilities. Plus, a reason for her to wear the cumbersome armor has yet to be told. I mean if it’s made material that’s weaker than her scales, why wear it? It limits her ability to move about and on that one occasion actually inhibited her from fighting, and yet at every major battle she’s worn it.
Anyway as we both mentioned, even if the Krayt and Saphira were evenly matched, between Saphira’s fire breathing and flying and the Krayt’s strength and durability, it’s all for nought when Deathwing annihilates them both. I can see Deathwing appearing as Daval Prestor just to mess with Saphira’s mind.
September 14, 2009
#52
“As for her impenetrable scales, she’s far from invincible. Hell, you were the one that mentioned Saphira’s immense ego and her tendency to overrate her own abilities. Plus, a reason for her to wear the cumbersome armor has yet to be told. I mean if it’s made material that’s weaker than her scales, why wear it? It limits her ability to move about and on that one occasion actually inhibited her from fighting, and yet at every major battle she’s worn it.”
Well, I never said that Saphira’s scales were IMPENETRABLE. She can definitely get hurt if an attack is strong enough. It’s just that her scales are strong enough to block most things that have been cited as being effective against her, such as spears and arrows.
Yes, I’m very well aware that Saphira can overstate her own achievements, and I was the one who said it. I was basing my anaylsis of the strength of Saphira’s scales based on what I’ve seen in the Cycle(arrows clacking off her hide, for example) rather than something Saphira had said. If she had claimed at one point, “My scales could block the attacks of a god!” then I would most definitely view that informed strength level with extreme skepticism, to say the least.
As for the armor, it’s simply an additional layer of defense. When she’s facing an opponent, such as Durza or Thorn, who actually has the means to penetrate her scales, it helps to have a layer of armor that can block a few blows before they reach her scales.
Now, the armor doesn’t exactly cripple Saphira’s speed. She is still able to fly, maneuver, and even fight other dragons while in it. For example, against Thorn at the end of Eldest. It does slow her down a little, but not significantly. I don’t recall a situation where she was “inhibited” from fighting specifically because of her armor. Care to mention where that was?
September 14, 2009
#53
That would have been my early example of the Kull denting the armor to the point she couldn’t breath. Not the armor itself, mind you, but it does leave itself open to these kind of situations.
September 14, 2009
#54
Personally I think Saphira herself may be a tad bit evil. In the third book, she menaced some poor helpless cook to get her a barrel mead that was reserved for the king. When he mentioned this fact she blasts out a fourfoot long flame at the ground and growls at him. Guess how this affected the fellow.
September 14, 2009
#55
“Personally I think Saphira herself may be a tad bit evil.”
I’d have to agree, there. While she’s a magnificent fighter, Saphira is far from a likeable character. Like I said, I’ve always found her to be rather arrogant, and most of the protagonists of the Inheritance Cycle border on Sociopathy, anyway. There are times when I wonder why the Varden, being basically terrorists, are portrayed as the good guys.
“In the third book, she menaced some poor helpless cook to get her a barrel mead that was reserved for the king. When he mentioned this fact she blasts out a fourfoot long flame at the ground and growls at him. Guess how this affected the fellow.”
I remember that scene. Yeah, Saphira is a total booze-hound of a dragon. Reminds me of the time she emptied four barrels of the dwarves’ mead in the second book and got totally drunk. Someone needs to call the Alagaesian police force and report Saphira for extortion and underage drinking. She’s a lot less than twenty-one years old, after all. Oh, wait a minute, Saphira’s an outlaw already, being an ally of the rebels and all.
September 14, 2009
#56
Indeed. Quite frankly, I’m convinced the Murtagh and his dragon Thorn are the real heroes. I love the part in the second book where Eragon told Murtagh he should let Eragon kill him to free him of the king. Murtagh rightfully told Eragon to go screw himself, and Eragon attacked him anyway. Murtagh kicks his ass and then Eragon begs Murtagh not to kill him and to let him go, completely ignoring that he just tried to murder his own half brother a few moments before.
Oh and in the third book, Eragon can no longer be considered a hero at all. Plus I was kinda hoping Saphira would get eaten by the lethrblaka. No such luck.
So really this matchup is a villainess vs one of the most powerful villains though up in fantasy vs a giant elongated sand croc.
September 15, 2009
#57
“No Kenny, Deathwing needs to challenge Malygos or Alexstraza before going for a FP award.”
You know that Deathwing took on and not only defeated all 4 other aspects (Alexstraza, Ysera, Nozdormu, Malygos) but their entire respective Dragon Flights as well, all at the same time, right?
September 15, 2009
#58
“You know that Deathwing took on and not only defeated all 4 other aspects (Alexstraza, Ysera, Nozdormu, Malygos) but their entire respective Dragon Flights as well, all at the same time, right?”
Well, considering that, I don’t see any reason why Deathwing shouldn’t be given the Factpile Award, already. He’s clearly on a level apart from these other two.
September 16, 2009
#59
Hmmm… I wonder how a Deathwing TeaBag goes…
September 17, 2009
#60
“Hmmm… I wonder how a Deathwing TeaBag goes…”
I don’t think anyone who’s experienced it is in the position to tell us. It probably grinds the victim into paste in the process . . .
September 19, 2009
#61
@ Skrunks
When Deathwing fought and defeated the other Aspects and their flights, he had the advantage of the Demon Soul which gave him power over the other dragons while simultaneously weakening them. About 15,000 years later when he fought the 4 other aspects 4 on 1, he was winning until Rhonin destroyed the Demon Soul and restored the other Aspects to full strength. Even then he was still able to fight back to a degree until Alexstrasza hit him with a particularly nasty spell that attacked him on a whole new level where even he had no defense against it.
September 22, 2009
#62
Why are we talking about how Deathwing fares against the other Aspects?! They aren’t in this fight. Deathwing clearly has Saphira and the Krayt beaten. Why not give ‘em the award already?
September 26, 2009
#63
least two species and several subspecies of krayt dragons existed.
The canyon krayt was a common species of krayt dragon that lived in the rocky caves and canyons of Tatooine’s desert ranges. More often than not, the term “krayt dragon” referred to this lifeform. Patterns of horns and spikes appears to have varied from individual to individual. At least one canyon krayt was noted to have a two pronged tail.
The greater krayt, was a rarer, larger species of krayt dragon, known for its tremendous size and continual growth over time. Creatures of near legendary status, greater krayt dragons had ten legs, measured at least 100 meters from snout to tail tip and had the ability to move through or on Tatooine’s desert sand. Greater krayt dragons attacked with their massive jaws or whip-like spike-tail, using their claws only to move through the sand.
A Krayt Dragon.In spite of its awesome power, the krayt dragon did have its weak and exploitable points. First, it had trouble resisting the allure of the prey of the Dune Sea, specifically the bantha; second, it had difficulty discerning two-dimensional images, often attacking shadows; and finally, a well-placed shot could bore right through the weak sinus cavity of the beast and hit the brain, killing it instantly.
The krayt could also secrete a lethal venom, either through its teeth or its spines. Although its nature is unclear, numerous underworld characters such as Bib Fortuna have admitted to using the substance to kill enemies
September 26, 2009
#64
@ omega-88
All of this really doesn’t matter concerning the fact that Deathwing would find a krayt dragon as a plaything.
September 27, 2009
#65
“All of this really doesn’t matter concerning the fact that Deathwing would find a krayt dragon as a plaything.”
Exactly. I’m all for brawls involving multiple dragons and their abilities, but this is a rather lopsided battle, considering one of the combatants is a nearly god-like entity who can morph reality and blast anything that he doesn’t like out of the way, while the other two are merely highly powerful beasts.
I say we should get this over with and just give Deatwing the Award already.
September 29, 2009
#66
I added the Greater Krayt to spice up the discussion a little. Also Admin thought the Greater Krayt was pretty interesting in another discussion, so I figured what the Heck, a 3 way battle between a super-predator, a traditional dragon, and a primeval elemental beast of near God-like status would be pretty cool.
A more fair fight for Deathwing would be Ancalagon the Black from J.R.R. tolkien’s Silmarillian. Heck in that case, Ancalagon would have a distinct advantage on Deathwing, ie his sheer size.
September 29, 2009
#67
hmmm… roflstomp for deathwing
October 3, 2009
#68
Factpile award for Deathwing!
October 22, 2009
#69
Saphira goes down hard! She might stand a chance against the Krayt, but never Deathwing. God, am I glad that this vain, mary sue of a dragon gets her scaly ass handed to her on her first match. Rest in pieces!
I second the nomination for Deathwing.
October 23, 2009
#70
haha, is this even a challenge? Deathwing would slaughter them both, easily, they’d both be just.. whats the word.. TOYS to him
No Competion, Deathwing hands down.
October 29, 2009
#71
One thing I feel I should add is an example of just how resilient Deathwing is. What happened was after the Demon Soul was destroyed and the other four Aspects were restored to their full power, equal to him in strength. Malygos summoned clouds that started to suffocate Deathwing, while Nozdormu sped up time to the point that Deathwing in a matter of moments for us experienced years without rest, and then Ysera invaded his mind and turned his very thoughts into his worse nightmares and then Alexstrasza hit him with a spell that in layman’s terms was the equivalent to the pain a mother feels at having her child taken from her and then corrupted in evil creatures (Did I mention her Aspect is Life, so she has this big motherly motif going on) scaled the spells potency past 1000 and then hit him with it.
November 3, 2009
#72
All right, two nominations for Deathwing from myself and Anen, and also the apparent support of Sapper007, Tanosia, and Zervziel. Five for Deathwing?
November 10, 2009
#73
I’ll throw in my nomination for the Destroyer as well, so make it three.
December 18, 2009
#74
“I’ll throw in my nomination for the Destroyer as well, so make it three.”
These numbers are a little confusing . . . but we can just say three for now.
January 6, 2010
#75
if i recall correctly the Greater Krayt Dragon can withstand a barrage of conventional heavy duty
lasers, can “swim” through sand and rock with minimal difficulty at speeds of 40-60miles perhr ant
spit a pearl like marbles as if it was a built in shot gun.
(this might be mistake nor will it be entirely false)
Life span:200 or more years
wight:15O tons
diet:preys on almost any in the area including medium sized vehicle(that are mistaken for prey)note:
note:research shows that some are force sensitive and is quit rare to happen and what is rarer is some
dragons has mastered it.
January 6, 2010
#76
Wait, is this the Warcraft Deathwing? The one who stole power of almost every other elder dragon? the one that has acid blood and impenetrable armor plates atached to his hide? The one that knows more magic than all the alliance’s mages put together?
F*ck, saphira’s good, but she’s not even ten years old yet.
January 7, 2010
#77
“F*ck, saphira’s good, but she’s not even ten years old yet.”
Ten? Heck, Saphira isn’t even TWO years old yet!
January 14, 2010
#78
Yup, Belisaurous, that Deathwing. As you may have guessed I wanted a good equal fight. And when I say equal, I mean I hate Saphira
January 14, 2010
#79
@Zervziel
Meh, maybe because I wasn’t dumb enough to see the movie, but saphira’s not that bad, a horrible drinker, proud, and stubborn, but still a decent character.
January 17, 2010
#80
I don’t know about that. Saphira is an arrogant, drunkard of a dragon who spends half the time in the books either spewing out fortune cookie wisdom, drinking, acting like a bitch, and worst of all saving Eragon’s pathetic life. Especially the times in which he’s knocked out. Seriously, I challenge you to read all three books and take a drink of your favorite alcoholic beverage (if you’re of age) and take a drink each time Eragon
1. Complains
2. Is knocked out during a fight and is saved by someone
3. Remark’s on that damn Arya’s beauty
4. Moons after said elf
5. The author gushes on about how how awesome his elves are in general and Arya specifically.
Anyway, I loath Saphira and anything Inheritance related with the intensity of a neutron star.
April 1, 2010
#81
Deathwing hasn’t got the FP award yet? Really? This is possibly the greatest curbstomp since Wh40k vs Halo. Before the vast majority of current WoW races even existed, Deathwing raised the mountains to separate the lesser races and prevent them from warring… he then destroyed them and scorched the earth when he turned evil to force the races to fight each other over resources. THIS GUY LITERALLY PUT THE “WAR” IN WARCRAFT! Consider that even a normal black dragon went toe to toe with an ogre demigod and won. Deathwing is more or less the black dragon’s demigod. This guy is intense.
I don’t believe an exact size is ever given for him, but he’s an aspect which means he’s the biggest of his flight. He’s also strongly implied to be big even for an aspect, and the adamantium welded onto him probably adds to it. He’s a monster in dragon to dragon combat too. He can hold a full grown man in one hand with no apparent handicap from the added mass (he couldn’t use the arm because he was trying to keep the man alive) while engaged in combat with an orc dragon rider champion and his red dragon mount… it was a curbstomp. Other dragon couldn’t even touch him. Even against the other 4 fully powered aspects he survived.
His grasp of magic is among the most comprehensive of all creatures in WoW. He’s been a master of magic before the majority of the races even existed. Even in his rather limited human form he can make rocks SIZZLE (exact wording, in the book it’s italicized instead of caps)… by pointing at it. He has some weird magic magma like substance running through his body (it’s described as running through burning veins, so it may well be his blood) that flows out and roasts anything that touches him. Put something of a dent in his sex life seeing as how only the first and strongest of his mates managed to survive his awesomeness, and even then she suffered severe burns to half her body. This (the mate) is a dragon as big as Korialstrasz, which would make her probably 3 times the size of Saphira, with infinitely more magical power, and she almost died from mating with Deathwing…
Deathwing raises volcanoes and causes earthquakes on a whim. Hell most mature black dragons can. Apparently in the next expansion he cracks open the very surface of the planet. Heat does absolutely jack s*** to him. All black dragons molt by sleeping inside volcanoes. They HEAL by sleeping inside volcanoes (works to a limited extent for all dragons, but other dragons get burned if they stay in for too long). He has durability through the roof. The combined magical and physical attacks of the Aspects of Time, Magic, Life, and Dreaming could not kill him. Combined with his adamantium plates and burning blood self defenses, he could take a nap and Saphira would be utterly impotent before him. Her flame breath would just warm him up and even if she could breach the adamantium (and she can’t) she literally can’t touch him without dying. Whatever magic she inconsistently brings up cannot hope to even touch a dragon that can perform planet scale terraforming whenever he feels like it (so far he’s done it 3 times: raised mountains, destroyed mountains, and the titular cataclysm).
Krayt dragon barely warrants a mention. It doesn’t breathe fire, have wings, or otherwise do anything special. It is a “dragon” only in the same sense a kommodo dragon is. And it has about as much chance of prevailing against Deathwing. Krayt dragons may stand up to Star Wars weaponry, but Deathwing’s blood burns through dragon scale like it’s not even there, and in the WoW universe that’s second only to adamantium in toughness. Also consider that dragons are some of the most deeply magical creatures in WoW and as such have extremely strong inherent defenses against magical attacks (especially given the stature of the dragons in question) whereas the Krayt Dragon would have none. And then there’s the whole “hiding in the earth from a guy who controls the earth, is intimately connected to it, and used to be called the Earth Warder” thing… not smart. Not that I expected a non-sentient animal to realize that or anything.
May 23, 2010
#82
Deathwing for easiest FP award ever.
June 16, 2010
#83
Watch the fucking Cataclysm trailer…. he all but destroys a WHOLE planet just by showing up…. beat that Eragon dragon whose name I somehow forgot despite reading all of the comments..
June 28, 2010
#84
I think that someone should kill them all with an atomic bomb and end this pointless dispute over who is better.
AND WHO IN THE WORLD HAS EVER HEARD OF DEATHWING
AND THE KRAYT DRAGON ISN’T EVEN A REAL DRAGON
AND STOP MAKE STUPID COMMENTS ABOUT HOW SAPHIRA KILLED 100,000 URGALS.
thank you.
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June 28, 2010
#85
“I think that someone should kill them all with an atomic bomb and end this pointless dispute over who is better.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AHqpBspYw
June 28, 2010
#86
Ok,
1: A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD HEARD OF DEATHWING, NEW GUY, WHAT KIND OF FACTPILER ARE YOU TO COMMENT ON THIS AND SAY SUCH STUPID SHIT!?
2: did anyone call the Krayt dragon a dragon?
3: Agreed.
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P. S. S: This message lied in he P.S
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June 28, 2010
#87
I take back what I said earlier. And I am guessing Deathwing will win this Triple Threat match. Lolz for WWE.
July 3, 2010
#88
This one is just as lopsided as my “Kharn the Betrayer & Rand al’Thor vs. 60 Million Uruk-Hai” battle. Except that it would be over quicker.
July 19, 2010
#89
To me it seems that death wing wins this
although the greater krayt dragon is pretty cool i mean it swims through the desert and EATS sarlaccs