oh come off it
i dont think they could win even if they had the emperor there
and to make it equal teams is just unfair.

this match we end in about 5 seconds, 10 if the custodes want to take their time

the meaning of adeptus

[quote]
Adeptus, Adepta, or Adept is a title given to all servants of the Emperor, of all the departments of the Adeptus Terra. On Terra, the title separates the employed and settled servants of the Adeptus Terra, from the often destitute non-adept. Non-adepts can gain the title, becoming menials.

Adepta is the feminine High Gothic form of the title.

A similar and analogous title of the Adeptus Mechanicus is that of Tech Adept.
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I’m not saying the Royal Guard would win but don’t play them cheap either. Each one of them was handpicked and trained by Vader himself and each one is force sensers that can hold their own against Jedi. I also believe the Force Pikes and Heavy Blasters are adequet to get through the Custodes armour. Laser guns in Star Wars are more powerful then the ones in 40k and the Force Pike is described as taking off body parts with a single tap. That right if they tap someone with those weapons in a vital spot they’re dead. Not saying the Custodes would simply be tapped and killed by the Force Pikes but a blow with force behind it should be enough to get through.

Royal Guards are nothing but elite Storm Troopers with extra toys. The Custodes are the gods of badassery. Think about this. A Marine can run so fast across a room that you cannot see him. A Knight makes Marines look kind of slow and lazy. Custodes makes knights look like they’re standing still. The speed alone makes any chance of victory for the Guards vanish in a blink.

Onto weapons: Those pikes might do horrible things to most armor and the people inside, but these are Custodes. I believe they would be fine. Even if the pike should prove sickingly lethal, it won’t ever hit. I don’t know too much about heavy blasters, but they are energy weapons, right? The Iron Halos should wreck it.

On the other hand, a Nemesis Force Halberd will usually kill with a stroke, and it’s disruptive force field makes it negate all armor. Far stronger than the pike. Plus, the Storm Bolter is DANGEROUS. You dodn’t wanna be on the recieving end. Actually, one of these shots in the foot is more lethal to normal people than modern sniper rounds to the head.

And Royal Guards aren’t Force users. Only the elite Imperial Sovereign Protectors may use the Force.

Wastage of elite korps on the Royal Guards…

Custodes are semi-primarchs, their number are few but they are more tougher than the Grey Knights.

if jedi can reflect and dodge blaster fire so can custodes, but it a mute point
since the custodes with superhuman reactions and amazing aim would kill the
royal guard before the pulled their blasters out and aimed.

Whether or not? Of course not! There are 50 Custodians on the field! With a mere 50 opponents to smash, this will take no longer than they need to get into spear range.

10 seconds at most, and that is while we equip the Guards with MCs’ plot armor. That thing is TOUGH.

The Adeptus Custodes makes Space Marines look like a normal humans. This isn’t a battle, this is a slaughter. Adeptus Custodes for the Factpile award.

“Their strenght is without compare, they lift up main battle tanks and hurl them.”

They can’t do that.

They most probably can. In some novels(a lot, actually) marines can lift up to 100 tonnes. Abaddon once picked up a Baneblade. Although he is way above other marines, it still stands to reason that the custodes may lift MBTs if normal Marines may lift 100 tonnes. Leman Russ Battle Tanks wights between 60 and 150 tonnes based on the source, and since Custodes “are to marines what marines is to normal men” I think it’s fair to assume that the main battle tanks are within their power. Super heavies might be more of a problem though.

@ sergey

im all for custodes to win, but they cant lift 7,000 tonnes

“They most certainly can, normal Space Marines can lift 70 tonnes, and Custodes are considered to be worth 100 SM each, so that come to 7,000 tonnes the Custodes could pick at his best. In fact… a weak SM lifted a truck (and not a light one) with people inside with ease, and another weak one punched a hole into a Predator tank. I’m pretty damned sure Custodes could hurl one with ease.”

A normal Marine can not lift 70 tons.

“They most probably can. In some novels(a lot, actually) marines can lift up to 100 tonnes. Abaddon once picked up a Baneblade.”

No they can’t… and Abaddon has never picked up a Baneblade.

“it still stands to reason that the custodes may lift MBTs if normal Marines may lift 100 tonnes. Leman Russ Battle Tanks wights between 60 and 150 tonnes based on the source, and since Custodes “are to marines what marines is to normal men” I think it’s fair to assume that the main battle tanks are within their power. Super heavies might be more of a problem though.”

No its not. Never in fluff have they done such a feet.

“Okay, Sergey, that’s just stupid. Custodes are awesome and can probably lift tanks without too much hassle, but 7000 tonnes are WAY too much.”

Again they can’t lift tanks.

Worth does not mean thier stats are 100 times better.

Much as I’d like to jump in here and say something that’d even out the match, these Custodes are mini-Primarchs, the highest levels of genetic perfection the Emperor could concieve. The finest weapons, armour, skills and genetics the God Emperor could think of. And their weapons are nothing to be sneezed at.

the problem lies in proving it. The Custodes never leave the emperors planet, as far as I know. They have only battled once, during the heresy. So we have very little to go by. Can anyone find some sort of canon exploit, battle, anything that the Adeptus Custodes have done?

“Can anyone find some sort of canon exploit, battle, anything that the Adeptus Custodes have done?”

As far as I know, they always go with the God Emperor during his search of the Primarchs.

Does it really matter how much a Custode can lift or even if they haven’t been in combat for 10,000 years? They are the elite guard of a god/man, who made them the single greatest (or one of if you perfer) fighting force in WH 40k. They are magnitudes greater than regular Space Marines and their Terminator squads most be the things of nightmares.

The battle is over.

“I have read a novel in wich a Ultramarine(I believe) lifted up a 100 ton space shuttle or something with extreme difficulty.”

My ass. I want quote from the book of this.

“Mind you, the fluff is vastly inconsistent, the events in “Fire Warrior” are to some degree considered canon.”

“Q. That Sabretooth stuff is rubbish? Surely you don’t expect me to take it seriously?
A. Sadly it’s just as canon as the rest of the GW/BL offerings.
Q. Is (insert book here) canon?
A. If it’s an official GW or BL publication, then yes.
Q. But it contradicts another source! What’s up with that?
A. (evil laugh) (or Sephi’s sig) (– an unfortunately flip answer, the quote one is directed to is “It’s all official, even when it’s self-contradictory. Complying with continuity isn’t a requirement for canonicity.”)
Q. Even if one source is GW and the other is BL?
A. There’s no difference. BL are the official publishing wing of GW, and every word they write is as valid as what comes out of the design studio.
Q. Does new background overwrite old background?
A. Where there’s a clear contradiction between old and new, the new is usually the official stance on the issue. Most of the time though, the new background is written in such a way that there’s a way to incorporate the old background.”

This quote is from Lexicanum. Supposedly it’s from a page on the Black Library FAQ forums, but Black Library’s site is down right now due to updates. Notice it says everything is official, even when contradictory.

“And Abaddon HAS picked up a Baneblade. I’ve got the novel in my house somewhere. I’ll get you an extract if i can find it.”

I don’t believe this but ill wait and see if you can “find it”.

“but we do know a single custodes breached the defences of terra, to sneak into the imperial palace even getting close to a primarch which is amazing feat itself.”

If its the time you’re talking about (Tales of the Heresy?) then that was no mere Primarch. that wa the emperor himself, prior to his enthronement. But its possible that that would in fact count against them. the others were guarding from such an attack after all.

“He was also responsible for saving Bjorn when his arm was corrupted by the sorcerous powers of a Thousand Sons psyker. Valdor sliced Bjorn’s arm off to prevent the corruption from overrunning his body”

So, they saved Bjorn the fellhanded?

…thats enough of a feat for me, frankly, he’s still the oldest living space marine, and that includes many of the Chaos Followers.

Though The Razing of Prospero was a complete disaster… This is hardly the place for a lore chat :p

Irregardless, I’m backing the Adeptus Custodes to win this.

“BTW, how come neither Mata nor L-W post here?”

Yeah, I thought L-W would support the Royal Guard at least a bit here. Some of the stuff he said in Royal Guard vs Masterchief lead me to believe this wouldn’t have been as much of a slaughter as everyone is making it out to be.

This may seem ran dom but, I think the emperor will die.
“It was revealed in the 5th Edition Rulebook and White Dwarf issue July 2008 that the Golden Throne has developed failures beyond the ability of the Adeptus Mechanicus to repair. Because of this, it seems possible that the Emperor will die, and thus, depending on the many myths and predictions available for the “Time of Ending,” save or destroy the Imperium, and indeed the galaxy as a whole.”
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Golden_Throne

“Okay, that 7,000 tons was wrong, however, a Custodes effortlessly broke an Ogryn’s arm, the others grip, and the other with a flick of a stone, and Ogryn’s are pretty bulky and powerful, like Nob based level. From “Blood Games” by Dan Abnett.”

Could you now give me the quote of this?

“Then, a priest telling the GEoM about his history says 50,000 normal people encountered less than 5,000 SM and the normal people lost in less than an hour, with no casualties for the SM. From “Last Church” by Graham Mcneil.”

What where the “Normal people” armed with?

“Is this proof about how skilled/powerful both are? Oh and to add:”

No not even close.

“A small band of SM from the Soul Drinkers fought a whole planet attacked by Necrons and won, they beat the Monoliths and etc. They also had problems with Flayed Ones attacking their own forces from the back. They won, only to be hunted down by the Iron Fists (or something like that) with Lysander leading them. From “Hellforged” by Ben Counter.” Anymore detail of this?

“Could you now give me the quote of this?”
All the examples of an unarmoured adeptus beating down Ogryns )or their comparatives, in this case genestock known as Migou and referred to as Ogres are from the Tales of the heresy, pages 13-15

Actual quotes from the pages

“He took hold of the migou’s wrist, folded the arm around and broke it against itself with his elbow”"

“All three were titantic creatures, corded and slabby with unnatural, hard-cut muscle definition”

“It was all tiresome now. He broke free of the creatures (bearhug) with a shrug
of his shoulders, turned and drove his right hand into the genestocks chest. the
Sternum Split. When he wrenched his hand out again, it looked as if he were wearing as red glove. Most of the migou’s heart was clenched in his steaming fist”

“With bloody fingers he bent down, selected a small piece of fire stone, weighed it in his hand and launched it with a snap of his wrist. It made a Pokk! noise as it penetrated the back of the Fleeing Ogres head like a bullet.”

The main parts of that engagement, typed out for you. At no point during this rather bloody brawl does the Adeptus strain himself, tire, grunt with exercion or show any signs of having tried hard in any of his actions. Thats including when, with a flick of the wrist, he throws a stone hard enough to penetrate a particularly thick skull.

“What where the “Normal people” armed with?”

Swords, pistols and rifles are mentioned, but no hint of the era, or technology that existed at that time is given. In less than an hour, 50′000 men and women died. Only five ranks, the very tip of the ice berg were cut down by gunfire, the rest hewn down by CQC. by a force outnumbered 100 to 1.

We’ll stick with standard issue armour. The Royal Guards don’t have a higher armour grade to go too (As far as I know) so upgrades would be somewhat unfair.

Plus, changing things too much just changes the match. What if the Custodes were in fact dead, and had risen again as “Legion of the Damned” Custodes?

What if they were on ancient Jetbikes, and the royal guards were riding Bantha’s. What if the Royal guard were inside the Death star and the Adeptus Custodes were on terra (now theres an interesting match… Could the assault batteries of Terra take out the deathstar before it took them out. Say it needed to half-circle the planet once before getting into correct range…)

Does it really matter X_on?

Well, we luv space marines for a reason, they are hard as nails, Master Chief on crack. And Custodes are Space Marines on even greater amounts of crack. Powerful as hell + cool is usually = lots of fans.

Oh, Jwlynas, on the Terra/Death Star thingy: If the Death Star needs to half circle Terra before firing, it’s dead. Very, very dead. The moon(luna) is a single massive gun, Terra itself boasts hundreds of thousands of laser batteries, rocket launchers, space-borne Nova Cannons, Cyclonic Missiles(anti planet weaponry) and lots of other stuff. Not to mention Teleporter Beams. All of a sudden the Royal Guards fin the Custodes standing inside the control room.

Holy Terra is called the greatest fortress world the Galaxy has ever seen for a reason.

I mentioned some of the basics. Listing all the stuff on Terra cannot be done in a single lifetime.

Adeptus Custodes for Factpile award.

Funny thing is that even a Jedi Padawan could toy with 10 Imperial Royal guard without having a sweat.

… this compearison is so uneven, obvuliasly the adeptus custodes would rape the royal guards so throughly that the RG would be crying for their mothers.

“Holy Terra is called the greatest fortress world the Galaxy has ever seen for a reason.”

Yet the Necrons were able to pass through Mars without being noticed.

Necrons have Inertialess Drives, which is either just insanely fast compared to warp travel, or they let the ships truly achieve infinite velocity, allowing movement at the speed of infinite. They could get past anything.

I’m sorry, but the Royal Guard is much better than a standard stormtrooper. Your statement is true, but a delta force operator is just a human with better weaponry and more training. See the drastic results? From what L-W has said about starwars weaponry I just have to give the victory to the royal guard. Plus, can’t some royal guard members use the force a little?

@Zach:

So you give the victory to the Royal Guard, but the FP award to the Custodes? Care to explain your reasoning?

“I’m sorry, but the Royal Guard is much better than a standard stormtrooper”

I am very aware of that. Still, they are merely ELITE stormtroopers. After serving in the Guard for a time, they are actually put back into the Stormtrooper divisions to avoid getting rusty. They are elite stormtroopers with good equipment and force sensitivity, nothing more.

“Your statement is true, but a delta force operator is just a human with better weaponry and more training. See the drastic results?”

Special Forces in general ain’t all that much more effective in comat. They have better disipline, morale, long range marksmanship, special mission skills and such, but in a pure combat scenario at middle range their superiority isn’t too great. Actually, two normal troopers that know what they’re doing stand a good chance of killing him, even if he is worth far more in specific cases. He is a special operative for special missions, not combat monster for the front line. Not that it matters too much when the Stormtroopers are soldiers and the Royal Guards are bodyguards, though.

On the other hand, Custodes are genetically engineered to pwn. A space marine is master chief x5, and any space marine would fall to their knees in awe at the sight of a Custode. A Custode is to a SM what a SM is to a man, and the mightiest Custode had the juice to defeat Horus in melee before the latter turned traitor.

“From what L-W has said about starwars weaponry I just have to give the victory to the royal guard.”

This man has also said some things in favor of 40K. If that means anything to you.

Plus I was kidding. I see the Custodes victory. Don’t say a bunch of Bollocks like that though. It really pisses me off.

“Are you kidding me? Whoever told you that was probably some grunt. Go read Lone Survivor for a start. Or maybe yore just some kid who thinks he could probably beat up some SpecOps guys? Or maybe you are a grunt.”

They’re glorified to hell, and they know it. As I said, they are SPECIAL FORCES. Not combat monsters. While they are more effective than your average grunt, which is why they are the elites, their advantages are primarly the skills needed to do special missions. Like rescuing hostages, sabotage behind enemy lines and so forth. But a gun is a gun, and if it is aimed at the right place when the trigger is pulled it will often be a kill. So they might be faster, more accurate and generally more deadly with the weapon than a trooper, but it is limited how much better you can be with a gun in middle range, the normal combat range. Two boys with enough strength to use their guns effectively against a special operative lacking three tons of kevlar have a small chance of victory, even if they individually ain’t at his level. Two troopers will have a rather respectable chance. He will own them in all other areas though. Not to mention they are at their best with two or more men when they might use their superior teamwork.

I have not spoken bollocks from the mouths of grunts like you want to make it sound like. Neither is this from the mouth of a kid who firmly believes he might stomp upon SpecOps, I wouldn’t stand a chance.

I think the main reason I added the alternate scenarios (Sovereign Protectors) is because they seem to be much stronger than the Royal Guards. They can take down Jedis (if i recall correctly) and the more notable characters became Siths I think.