Suggested by Envoy
Two fighters from the Fire Emblem series face off against each other. I have to confess to only knowing about them from Super Smash Bros, so I don’t think I have the qualifications to rightfully pick a winner.
Who wins this match?
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November 17, 2009
#1
I think I am in the same boat as Admin. In gameplay, I do favor Roy much more so than Ike, as he is faster, but still has quite powerful attacks…..but, since this is a match to the death, and I highly doubt Super Smash Bro is canon, I will have to wait and see…..
- the pondering fool
November 17, 2009
#2
I’m in the same boat as Pondering Fool.
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November 17, 2009
#3
Honestly, from what I can say from experience I’d have to go with Ike. Not only is Roy much less experienced, being extremely young when he first goes and fights Bern, he is much smaller and can easily be overpowered by Ike. Ike has more or less the same amount of speed as Roy, and Ragnell makes up for any opening speed might give due to it’s range and power.
Ike is very fast, unlike the popular opinion of those who have only played SSBB. He starts out as a Ranger, already fighting for a band of Mercenaries known as Griel Mercenaries. He practices with his father, who is one of the most skilled fighters at his time despite the fact that he slit his wrist tendons because of what he did to his wife. Roy, however, had much less training and was more lenient toward his enemies. Ike had the same weakness to a much less degree, so when it comes down to it, Roy will hesitate and Ike will impale him.
Roy is only FIFTEEN years old, and fights for one storyline before he puts down his sword. Ike, however fights in two full stories, even getting a third rank because he grows so substantially. There isn’t much to say, because I don’t believe in battle stats that both Fire Emblem games give.
However, I think Ike will completely destroy Roy because not only is he older and more experienced, he is stronger and just as fast as Roy. Even if you give Roy the master sword, Ike will have Ragnell and both legendary swords cancel each other out in terms of ranged attacks and added strengths.
November 17, 2009
#4
Is it just me, or are these guys twins?
November 17, 2009
#5
wait, Roy isn’t faster than Ike? Ike has that nasty quick back air as well as being able to dominate a flat stage better…
Oh whoops, wrong argument. Uh… Ike wins because he has some special sword
Oh.. they all have special swords… then I haven’t a clue lol.
November 17, 2009
#6
They do actually look similar. I’m going with Ike for this one. Brawl has proven his abilities to be quite worthy of victory.
November 17, 2009
#7
Ike will rip through Roy like a lightsaber through swiss cheese. Even if we set aside that Ike has Ragnell and just look at stats, it is really just a slaughter.
Let’s look at the average stats and maximum stat caps for both:
HERO IKE AVERAGE STATS: HP: 49.85. Strength: 27. Magic: 2.9. Skill: 30. Speed: 26.15. Luck: 16.7. Defense: 24.6. Resistance: 8.35.
HERO IKE MAX CAPS: HP: 50. Strength: 27. Magic: 10. Skill: 30. Speed: 30. Luck: 30. Defense: 26. Resistance: 15.
VANGUARD IKE AVERAGE STATS: HP: 65. Strength: 37. Magic: 8.8. Skill: 40. Speed: 34.8. Luck: 22.4. Defense: 32. Resistance: 15.2.
VANGUARD IKE MAX CAPS: HP: 65. Strength: 37. Magic: 15. Skill: 40. Speed: 37. Luck: 30. Defense: 32 Resistance: 23
http://serenesforest.net/fe10/average/ike.html
ROY AVERAGE STATS: HP: 52.4. Strength: 22.2. Magic: 22.2. Skill: 25. Speed: 24.2. Luck: 29.8. Defense: 16.5. Resistance: 16.4.
ROY MAX CAPS: HP: 60. Strength: 25. Magic: 25. Skill: 25. Speed: 25. Luck: 30. Defense: 25. Resistance: 25.
http://serenesforest.net/fe6/average/roy.html
Since neither of these warriors fight with magic, the magic and resistance stats wouldn’t come into play.
Even an average Hero Ike would be stronger, faster, and more skilled than Roy at his absolute strongest, being only a little less durable and having less luck. A maxed out Hero Ike would have superior strength, speed, skill, and defense, and would be equal to Roy in luck, leaving Roy’s only real hope a 20% HP advantage. And mind, that’s assuming Ike is not fighting at his highest class and Roy is at his strongest. Roy with average stats would be defeated handily by even a weak Ike.
Vanguard Ike against Roy is just overkill. Not only would Ike be able to tank much more punishment than Roy and deliver attacks loaded with half again as much force, but he would be attacking twice for every one of Roy’s strikes, and considering Roy’s massive disadvantage in skill, the odds are against him even landing a hit on Ike. It wouldn’t even be a fight; Ike would dispatch Roy as easily as he does a single enemy soldier on Easy difficulty.
No question about it. Ike stands a good chance in even the worst circumstances, and absolutely curbstomps Roy if he’s actually allowed to fight at his strongest as a Vanguard.
November 18, 2009
#8
Doesn’t Ike’s sword have some sort of magic healing abilities that whenever Ike does a Critical strike he heals equal to whatever damage he deals out to his enemy?
November 18, 2009
#9
@ OriginalA
That would be Ike’s Aether ability.
In Path of Radiance, Aether’s % of activation was equal to Ike’s Skill and consisted of two hits: the first healed HP equal to the damage dealt and the second ignored half the enemy’s Defense.
In Radiant Dawn, Aether is mostly the same except that its % of activation is now equal to half of Ike’s Skill and the second hit now completely ignores the enemy’s Defense.
As for Ike’s sword, the Ragnell, vs Roy’s sword, the Sword of Seals:
RAGNELL: MIGHT: 18 HIT %: 80 CRITICAL %: 5 WEIGHT: 20 RANGE: 1-2 DURABILITY: UNLIMITED
Effects: Defense +5, Negates Enemy Criticals.
SWORD OF SEALS: MIGHT: 18 HIT%: 95 CRITICAL %: 10 WEIGHT: 8 RANGE: 1-2 DURABILITY: 20 USES
Effects: Defense and Resistance + 5, Can be used as an item to recover 30 HP at the expense of 1 use.
November 18, 2009
#10
ike wins here i believe
November 18, 2009
#11
I thought game mechanics were not included in these matches… judging who would win based off of game mechanic balanced stats cannot be used in these debates…
November 19, 2009
#12
“I thought game mechanics were not included in these matches… judging who would win based off of game mechanic balanced stats cannot be used in these debates…”
I wouldn’t say that stats would be counted as “game mechanics.” Roy and Ike taking turns fighting each other would be considered a game mechanic. If the stats in-game are even a distant clue as to the strength of these two, Ike wins by a landslide, and if they met in-universe and fought, Ike still wins by a landslide. However, if we disregard that in-game stats favor Ike so heavily, then we aren’t really left with much of meaning to debate.
If stats are out of the game, then I say Ike wins because his hair is cooler, and he’s much more badass. Oh, and he’s older and has bigger muscles, so that must count for something.
November 19, 2009
#13
Ike has a tattered cape. Roy’s is perfect. Ike wins.
November 19, 2009
#14
@ Cpt. Olimar
The difference here is that the game mechanics are the most we have to work with for Fire Emblem.
Unlike Starcraft, Halo, Warhammer 40K, etc… there are no books or novels (at least for Fire Emblem’s 6, 9, and 10) to distinguish what is “real” and what is just “gameplay balance.”
November 19, 2009
#15
indeed, I guess the best you have are basic plot elements, like Ike defeating the black knight. How about armor, do any of them have any special armor?
The problem is, when you compare these stats side-by-side, one is assuming a 1:1 conversion ratio between the games.
Given, the games are in the same franchise and same game style, but is there any reason to assume the stats are interchangeable in this manner? For all we know, each point of Roy’s could be worth 2 of Ike’s.
That said, I hope Ike wins, he’s way cooler than Roy.
November 20, 2009
#16
“Given, the games are in the same franchise and same game style, but is there any reason to assume the stats are interchangeable in this manner? For all we know, each point of Roy’s could be worth 2 of Ike’s.”
If each of Roy’s points was worth two of Ike’s, then he would be off the charts; not only would he be ridiculously powerful, but he’d be beyond the cap limits that any human/beorc could possibly have. Hell, even assuming each of his stats was worth 1.2 of Ike’s would put his HP beyond what even the most powerful humans could possibly attain.(He’d have 72, when the absolute maximum is 70.) And even if he had that belief-stretching 1.2 ratio advantage, Ike would still be ahead of him in strength(by 7 points), skill(by 10 points), speed(by 7 points), and defense(by 2 points), while Roy would only have 7 more HP and 6 more luck, along with a few advantages in unimportant stats like resistance. Even that scenario would be a clear victory for Ike.
The lowest ratio that would work that wouldn’t put Roy beyond possible human limits would be that each of his stats is worth 1.16 of Ike’s. In this scenario, Roy would have 5 more HP and luck than Ike, but Ike would have 8 more strength, 11 more skill, 8 more speed, and 3 more defense. Again, instant pwnage.
I acknowledge that the translation might not be a perfect 1-1, but really, these are games from the same franchise that uses mostly the same system of stats and calculation. Accepting that each of Roy’s stats is for some reason worth two of Ike’s seems a lot more of a stretch to me than assuming that the stats are pretty closely interchangeable. Unless the creators of Fire Emblem specifically said “the stats mean different values in each game” then I really have to wonder why they would they give values in the same numerical system in different games that translate into vastly different objective amounts. Even if we stretched Roy to the maximum possible limits he could have in Ike’s world without having some sort of impossible superhuman powers, it would still put him below Ike’s level by a fair ratio. Really, the best Roy can hope for is that he’ll manage to score a single solid hit on Ike before he is relieved of his head, and given that Ike’s skill is better than his by such a vast amount, even that seems like a stretch.
November 20, 2009
#17
Game stats are always a good guideline to adhere to. If the same company determines that one guy has a higher stat that the other on a certain attribute (assuming the numbers are consistent through the different titles), then it stands to reason that they consider that character to be superior to the other in that particular respect.
Certainly game mechanics should never be the end-all-be-all of arguments, but for a particuler debate such as the determination of the characters’ respective strength then it is a great tool. It is certainly a lot more valid than saying arguments of “well this guy defeated that bad guy the other guy failed to defeat before”.
Well, at least in my book.
For other things like “his uberslash attack deals 900+ damage in his game, while the other guy’s deal only 500+” then I would say the game mechanics should be taken just as a rough guideline.
November 20, 2009
#18
i always p[refered palying as ike over roy, although he wasn’t as fats. But Ike had a final smash and roy didn’t, so that ecides it: Ike all the way.
November 26, 2009
#19
“i always p[refered palying as ike over roy, although he wasn’t as fats. But Ike had a final smash and roy didn’t, so that ecides it: Ike all the way.”
What?
November 29, 2009
#20
I would give the win to Ike, he was a beat in his game, and feared in other Fire Emblem games. Although he is portrayed as a bit slow in Brawl, he is shown as being quite fast and evasive in his native game.
November 29, 2009
#21
Well to be perfectly honest I’d have to say this is a draw. Ike is strong, but Roy if you compare the brawl version of Ike to the melee version of Roy, Roy has the advantage in speed, and only slighter faster attacks. Even though Ike is much stronger, I kinda see this as a Goliath and David match-up, honestly Ike dominates in power, but Roy is faster, and always seems a bit smaller. And honestly I dont see why they would actually fight, I think they could see each other as maybe rivals, but more like allies in desperate situations.
November 30, 2009
#22
I think the type of enimies fought should be debated as a way to acertain their strength, I mean didnt Roy fight dragons, I think he did?
December 15, 2009
#23
“I think the type of enimies fought should be debated as a way to acertain their strength, I mean didn’t Roy fight dragons, I think he did?”
Yes, Roy fought and defeated a dragon or two. Meanwhile Ike and company took on the Dragon Tribe of laguz, which is considered, in Tellius, to be the strongest of all laguz tribes. The Lion King Cainighis himself got hella scared. Now, this isn’t just a couple dragons we’re talking about. I mean the ENTIRE tribe, save for the Prince, sterile Princess, and Ena. This includes all the elite dragons and the King of Dragons himself, who is the most dangerous type of dragon, the Black dragon. Keep in mind that the King was one of three warriors that sealed away A GOD INSIDE A MEDALLION. Ike then proceeded to beat the crap out of the Goddess of Chaos. So I think Roy is the underdog here.
December 15, 2009
#24
“Yes, Roy fought and defeated a dragon or two. Meanwhile Ike and company took on the Dragon Tribe of laguz, which is considered, in Tellius, to be the strongest of all laguz tribes. The Lion King Cainighis himself got hella scared. Now, this isn’t just a couple dragons we’re talking about. I mean the ENTIRE tribe, save for the Prince, sterile Princess, and Ena. This includes all the elite dragons and the King of Dragons himself, who is the most dangerous type of dragon, the Black dragon. Keep in mind that the King was one of three warriors that sealed away A GOD INSIDE A MEDALLION. Ike then proceeded to beat the crap out of the Goddess of Chaos. So I think Roy is the underdog here.”
Muhahahahaha, I always enjoyed playing as Ike much better then Roy anyway. I only know of him from Super Smash Bros. Brawl, but he’s so much more awesome then Roy in every conceivable way. And my buddies get quite frustrated when I counter Snake’s rocket launcher, hahahahaha.
February 14, 2010
#25
marth beats you all