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		<title>By: Captain K9</title>
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		<dc:creator>Captain K9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may be a fan mostly of the &#039;Trek&#039; but I have to admit that if SDF1 were to fire it&#039;s main cannon, then the Enterprise D (TNG prodused around the same time as Rodotech, so this would be a logical conparasion;) and most of the Fedration Fleet would be history (in a bad way). 


On the other hand a Galaxy class starship can seporate, making the Enterprise two ships in one. plus the Enterprise is shorter , not to menthin she can hold Worp speed for a longer pieread of time in caparison to Folding.

Saying that, the Zentraedi are able to overpower the Klingon Empier, (well thay are bigger then the Klingons, Size wise that is,)


To conclode; Star Trek ships have the edge when it comes to speed, but are no match for the wepones from Rodotech. 

&#039;Live Long and Rodotrek&#039;  (i have a habit of adding random things to the end of &#039;Live Long and...&#039;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may be a fan mostly of the &#8216;Trek&#8217; but I have to admit that if SDF1 were to fire it&#8217;s main cannon, then the Enterprise D (TNG prodused around the same time as Rodotech, so this would be a logical conparasion;) and most of the Fedration Fleet would be history (in a bad way). </p>
<p>On the other hand a Galaxy class starship can seporate, making the Enterprise two ships in one. plus the Enterprise is shorter , not to menthin she can hold Worp speed for a longer pieread of time in caparison to Folding.</p>
<p>Saying that, the Zentraedi are able to overpower the Klingon Empier, (well thay are bigger then the Klingons, Size wise that is,)</p>
<p>To conclode; Star Trek ships have the edge when it comes to speed, but are no match for the wepones from Rodotech. </p>
<p>&#8216;Live Long and Rodotrek&#8217;  (i have a habit of adding random things to the end of &#8216;Live Long and&#8230;&#8217;)</p>
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		<title>By: Space marine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Space marine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 08:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try now, I can get in quite easily....</description>
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		<title>By: L-W</title>
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		<dc:creator>L-W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 08:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn it, I can&#039;t open up the Star Wars Vs Halo thread anymore, the thousand odd posts just keep shorting out the thread entirely leaving me with a HTML failed message. Either way I have some putting down to do:

1) Frieza, the only thing you&#039;ve been shooting is blanks (at your own foot, of all places). Seriously, your stunning lack of grasp over the most basic scientific principles would leave even Karen Traviss choking in your dust. Come back when you&#039;ve at least grasped a basic understanding of thermodynamics for one thing.

2) The small town bit isn&#039;t particularly useful unless you can define the are of a small town. Although given your track record, your affinity for vague and unquantified statements should really come as to no surprise.

At its maximum size, the surface temp of the fireball is 7000 degrees Celsius (although this also assumes that a turbolaser behaves like a nuclear blast. Hint: It doesn&#039;t), sufficient temperature for vaporization. For a nuclear detonation at peak scaling, the fireball radius in feet is equal to 145 times the yield in kt to 0.35. In other words, the formula is r=145*y^0.35 , where Y is KT and R is in feet.

Now here is how it gets tricky, how big is a small town? My hometown in Israel is classified as a village by local standards, but has a population of 20,000 and a surface area of 6.8 square miles. Thus the yield required to vaporize (not just blast) the area would be 151 MT (consistent with the lighter guns). But Exeter, Rhode Island, with its population of 6,000 (United States law states that anything smaller than 10,000 is classified as a &quot;small&quot; town - whereas large town have populations of 100,000&#039;s) has a surface area of 57.71 square miles, requiring a yield of 3,735 MT (nearly 4 gigatons to vaporize). So depending on how big the town gives you different yields. And that&#039;s taking a simplistic look at it by comparing temperatures. Specific heats enter into it so really you should figure out the energy applied over and area and scale it (which would actually make the blast larger than the 200 gigaton figure written in the ICS) according to the composition of the judicial area, which could raise the energy necessary for total vaporization of the surface area by over an order of magnitude.

Of course you could just simply be a borderline Creationist moron that assumes that each every turbolaser is built the same for the exact same purpose, whereas we know of dozens of variants designed for specific tasks (artillery, point-defence, heavy, anti-armour, bombardment etc.).

3) Once again assumes that every BDZ operation is going to be carried out uniformly across the factions and the breadth of the galaxy itself accordingly in the exact same process, rather than to the whims of the Captain in question, such as:

A) The bombing of Taris which was ordered to destroy the upper city centers only.

B) Canderous Ordo&#039;s famed assaults against the core worlds during the Mandalorian wars &quot;What&#039;s a few continents turned to glass, if you have the whole world in the end?&quot;. 

C) &quot;The planet of Humbarine was left with inadequate defenses during the conflict, which saw General Grievous leading Separatist forces in an hour-long bombardment from his flagship the Invisible Hand. This act completely depopulated the planet and melted its crust.&quot; - ROTS: ICS

D) &quot;It was still not known who the attackers had been who had come out of nowhere to systematically and ruthlessly burn off the planet&quot; (Spectre of the Past, p.48)

E) &quot;... to rendezvous at Dankayo and reduce the tiny base to molten slag. Even before the last of its atmosphere drifted away, before the dense clouds of atomized topsoil could begin to settle, Imperial transports Elusive and Timely, as well as a complement of TIE fighters, moved in to perform &quot;mop-up&quot; operations and a through search of Dankayo&#039;s now evenly-cratered surface&quot; (Scavenger Hunt, p.3)

F) &quot;I know that the Grissmaths shipped their political prisoners there, in the hopes that they&#039;d starve to death, and set automated gun stations all over the planet to keep them from being rescued. I know that the prisoners not only didn&#039;t oblige them by dying but that their descendents -- and the descendents of the guards -- are still farming the water seams while the Grissmath homeworld of Meridian itself is just a ball of charred radioactive waste.&quot; (Planet of Twilight p.4)

G) &quot;Sunlight rippled across a sea of shimmering glass. Glass that had once been part of iridescent domes, towering minarets, soaring archways, vertical towers, and all the other structures that constitute a city. A city reduced to a sea of manmade lava, as Imperial laser cannon carved swathes of destruction through the once-beautiful metropolis.&quot; (Jedi Knight, p.47)

H) Since the operation that was to be carried out on Nar Shaddaa in The Hutt Gambit was described as a BDZ as well, and the commanding officer expected to search through ruined cityscape afterwards, this means there are several degrees of destruction available to the commander in charge (not surprising, since turbolasers have variable yields). Some BDZs only destroy assets on the surface across the entire planet, while the more severe bombardments like the ones described in AOTC:ICS, go further down into the target world. 

Either way the goal of the BDZ is dependent on the desires of the commanding Officer who issues the order, much like the process of Covenant glassing does not designate total planetary destruction (such as Voi, Harvest, Reach etc.).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn it, I can&#8217;t open up the Star Wars Vs Halo thread anymore, the thousand odd posts just keep shorting out the thread entirely leaving me with a HTML failed message. Either way I have some putting down to do:</p>
<p>1) Frieza, the only thing you&#8217;ve been shooting is blanks (at your own foot, of all places). Seriously, your stunning lack of grasp over the most basic scientific principles would leave even Karen Traviss choking in your dust. Come back when you&#8217;ve at least grasped a basic understanding of thermodynamics for one thing.</p>
<p>2) The small town bit isn&#8217;t particularly useful unless you can define the are of a small town. Although given your track record, your affinity for vague and unquantified statements should really come as to no surprise.</p>
<p>At its maximum size, the surface temp of the fireball is 7000 degrees Celsius (although this also assumes that a turbolaser behaves like a nuclear blast. Hint: It doesn&#8217;t), sufficient temperature for vaporization. For a nuclear detonation at peak scaling, the fireball radius in feet is equal to 145 times the yield in kt to 0.35. In other words, the formula is r=145*y^0.35 , where Y is KT and R is in feet.</p>
<p>Now here is how it gets tricky, how big is a small town? My hometown in Israel is classified as a village by local standards, but has a population of 20,000 and a surface area of 6.8 square miles. Thus the yield required to vaporize (not just blast) the area would be 151 MT (consistent with the lighter guns). But Exeter, Rhode Island, with its population of 6,000 (United States law states that anything smaller than 10,000 is classified as a &#8220;small&#8221; town &#8211; whereas large town have populations of 100,000&#8217;s) has a surface area of 57.71 square miles, requiring a yield of 3,735 MT (nearly 4 gigatons to vaporize). So depending on how big the town gives you different yields. And that&#8217;s taking a simplistic look at it by comparing temperatures. Specific heats enter into it so really you should figure out the energy applied over and area and scale it (which would actually make the blast larger than the 200 gigaton figure written in the ICS) according to the composition of the judicial area, which could raise the energy necessary for total vaporization of the surface area by over an order of magnitude.</p>
<p>Of course you could just simply be a borderline Creationist moron that assumes that each every turbolaser is built the same for the exact same purpose, whereas we know of dozens of variants designed for specific tasks (artillery, point-defence, heavy, anti-armour, bombardment etc.).</p>
<p>3) Once again assumes that every BDZ operation is going to be carried out uniformly across the factions and the breadth of the galaxy itself accordingly in the exact same process, rather than to the whims of the Captain in question, such as:</p>
<p>A) The bombing of Taris which was ordered to destroy the upper city centers only.</p>
<p>B) Canderous Ordo&#8217;s famed assaults against the core worlds during the Mandalorian wars &#8220;What&#8217;s a few continents turned to glass, if you have the whole world in the end?&#8221;. </p>
<p>C) &#8220;The planet of Humbarine was left with inadequate defenses during the conflict, which saw General Grievous leading Separatist forces in an hour-long bombardment from his flagship the Invisible Hand. This act completely depopulated the planet and melted its crust.&#8221; &#8211; ROTS: ICS</p>
<p>D) &#8220;It was still not known who the attackers had been who had come out of nowhere to systematically and ruthlessly burn off the planet&#8221; (Spectre of the Past, p.48)</p>
<p>E) &#8220;&#8230; to rendezvous at Dankayo and reduce the tiny base to molten slag. Even before the last of its atmosphere drifted away, before the dense clouds of atomized topsoil could begin to settle, Imperial transports Elusive and Timely, as well as a complement of TIE fighters, moved in to perform &#8220;mop-up&#8221; operations and a through search of Dankayo&#8217;s now evenly-cratered surface&#8221; (Scavenger Hunt, p.3)</p>
<p>F) &#8220;I know that the Grissmaths shipped their political prisoners there, in the hopes that they&#8217;d starve to death, and set automated gun stations all over the planet to keep them from being rescued. I know that the prisoners not only didn&#8217;t oblige them by dying but that their descendents &#8212; and the descendents of the guards &#8212; are still farming the water seams while the Grissmath homeworld of Meridian itself is just a ball of charred radioactive waste.&#8221; (Planet of Twilight p.4)</p>
<p>G) &#8220;Sunlight rippled across a sea of shimmering glass. Glass that had once been part of iridescent domes, towering minarets, soaring archways, vertical towers, and all the other structures that constitute a city. A city reduced to a sea of manmade lava, as Imperial laser cannon carved swathes of destruction through the once-beautiful metropolis.&#8221; (Jedi Knight, p.47)</p>
<p>H) Since the operation that was to be carried out on Nar Shaddaa in The Hutt Gambit was described as a BDZ as well, and the commanding officer expected to search through ruined cityscape afterwards, this means there are several degrees of destruction available to the commander in charge (not surprising, since turbolasers have variable yields). Some BDZs only destroy assets on the surface across the entire planet, while the more severe bombardments like the ones described in AOTC:ICS, go further down into the target world. </p>
<p>Either way the goal of the BDZ is dependent on the desires of the commanding Officer who issues the order, much like the process of Covenant glassing does not designate total planetary destruction (such as Voi, Harvest, Reach etc.).</p>
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		<title>By: The Chosen One</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Chosen One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 05:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While there is still a breath in my body I will vote against Star Trek.</description>
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		<title>By: EnigmaJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>EnigmaJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I get that probably every once in awhile and I&#039;m not able to go into that specif match for the whole day.

Try using a different internet browser when that happens ( especially if your using Internet Explorer ) When it happened to me yesterday, I switched to Mozilla Firefox and it worked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I get that probably every once in awhile and I&#8217;m not able to go into that specif match for the whole day.</p>
<p>Try using a different internet browser when that happens ( especially if your using Internet Explorer ) When it happened to me yesterday, I switched to Mozilla Firefox and it worked.</p>
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