Personally, the Commie’s in Red Alert were awesome, especially all the nutty Tesla stuff.

And its a classic…can’t beat vintage gaming, its frowned upon don’t you know, like beating on old folks.

I’d put good money on the Apocalypse tanks and Kirov’s beating anything the Tiberium wars can throw at them. Never underestimate the power of the Iron Curtain. Plus the superweapons in Red Alert 3 are just ridiculous. One of the none super-weapons is crashing a space station down on your enemies heads, and Yuriko prime/Yuri Prime joining forces would screw anyone over. Also, Parachuting bears.

Tiberium Wars just can’t compete with that.

Plus, I think we’re forgetting that in all possible scenarios, Kane wins. He started in Red Alert and he’s still not dead after two Ion Cannons and a Tiberium infestation.

red alert got the advantage of the cartoon element.i mean they got effing bears who can attack.

GDI and NOD can be taken care off its the scrin thats going to be a pain.the scrin who invaded where nothing more then a group overlooking and processing the harvest of earth…not a full scale invasion.

Oi, those bears sound fuckin’ sweet. Have yet to get (*cough* pirate) the third installment,but those nutty bears….gotta love ‘em

the new tiberium wars got goodish reviews…storywise its kinda like red alert,only less “free” in its view on warfare and appropriate units

How did the Tiberiumverse take care of its tiberium problem then? Couldn’t the Red Alerters copy and paste?

I haven’t played either game or any game in the C&C I know beat me for being a heretic. But I hear that Red Alert has time travel just saying. I have no horse in this race.

I agree with Kwlynas on his assesment on red alert 3 superweapon and heroes. But strongly disagree with his assesment on unit vs unit.

THe GDI

The latest Mammoth tank only lacks the apocalypses Magnetic Harpoons but in reality the Mammoth 27 boasts superior firepower with its 150mm cannons compared to the Apocalypses 120mm APDS especially if Railguns are issued.

Its most common support the Hammerhead Gunships filled to the brim with zonetroopers or zoneraiders are an effective counter against anything that neglects air defence with painful results bringing a storm of railgun rounds from the skies.

Gdi infantry is also superior to the Red alert 3 counterparts with the possible exception of the Rocket Angel. Sniper teams are relatively cheap and make short work of every infantry in the game. Zone troopers would annihalate any apocalypse tank group being both uncrushable and resistant to tank shells by game mechanics. Commandoes are essentially Tanya Addams without the timebelt but with a jetpack

Nod

My current concensus on nod is…. theyre frickin overpowered in game. Confessor Cabals are mere basic infantry, but these guys wield long range particle guns when upgraded and are efective against even heroes and light vehicles should they manage to fire they also happen to cost the same as Gdis Riflemen. Veteran Black Hand troopers are effective against all targets turning even MARV to slag with their flamethrowers given enough time while at the same thing being vulnerable to only the best anti infantry weapons themselves, such as snipers, buzzer swarms and commandoes (they can safely ignore the autocannons of a Mecha Tengu and burn it down for example)

Purifiers are like scaled up Black Hand capable of firing Obelisk laser while on the move and reduce entire bases in seconds should they get in. Reedemers drive everything within Rage zone radius into a kill frenzy while also being capable of crushing other vehicles that wander too close.

The Tiberium wars cyborgs would prove an even worse adversary as every single one of these fellas are armed with Emp making any vehicle attack against nod risky at best.

Nod is even deadly against air power. Rocket bikes have been the bane of Scrin Assault carriers and would prove equally effective against any air assault, even an Imperial one. Venoms have proven time and time again to be effective against other aircraft while being inexpensive. And a single Mantis can down even Scrin Battlecruisers in moments.

Yes the Red alert forces have more superweapons but The tiberium side has superior units to play with and a larger variety. Furthermore, the fault with deploying superweapons is youd have to survive long enough to get there.

I see only two real threats against tiberium. The Chronosphere and the shogun Executioner. But even should Red alert forces deploy the chronosphere. But even if Red alert 3 deploys the chronosphere,The scrin could simply counter it with Stasis fields buying additional time to relocate forces against this new threat, Nod and Gdi would do the same with Tiberium Sun Emp cannons.

I still say Red Alert have this match in the bag. The Apocalypse tank would take the Mammoth walker down. Even without the effect of the Iron curtain, its almost as powerful but without the glaring weakness of knee joints, plus they’re ammunition raises in power at an exponential rate if its a high ranked type.

And Red Alert has Tanya, the Soviet Girl, Crazy Ivan, Demo trucks, Desolators, Chronotanks, Chronotroopers, vast amounts of mind readers, tesla tanks and troopers, time travel tech, V4 rocket launchers and battleships armed with two of such rockets…

Red Alert sails through this.

Assuming this is played out like the battles in the games then RA forces would have to get use to the fact that being near Tiberium kills unarmored units. It’s nasty stuff. Even if local Tiberium fields and viens are removed from the battle field they still have to deal with the potented weaponized stuff which kills them quicker.

RA has some neat tricks, but the Tiberium side has pure raw tech. Tit for tat, Tiberium is going to hit harder until superweapons come along. At that point RA won’t be able to produce enough superweapons to counter the fact that their normal forces are getting hammered harder than they can hit back. RA will cause some stalling with the superweapons, but attrition is going to keep at them from the start till the very end, and by the time superweapons come into play they will no longer be game breakers. They will hurt for sure, but they will not cripple.

Tiberium comes out bloodied and wounded, but victorious.

DOES NOT! *Chokes Tiberium marine and takes his skull*

“Rip off.”

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@ Lamefellow,

Dont worry I’ll take him.

Tibuerim for the win

Red alert won’t be able to copy and paste tiberium containment tech. It was many years in development and reverse engineering takes a long time.
Tiberium will spread rampant in red alert for many years, turning it into another tiberium universe.

@16

i think youre referring to the devils tongue. If Nod fielded it with Tib Wars technology it would end up effective against all ground units via purifying flame while still being able to strike anywhere anytime it liked.

@15

As i said earlier, the only real threats i see from these are the chrono units because they might manage to cripple a base or tiberium operation.

Tanya isnt as powerful as a Cyborg Commando and is essentially a Nod Commando with a different special ability (both rapidly kill infantry with twin pistols)

Natasha will find that although her vehicle crew killing ability is useful, Gdi can already train sniper teams for a quater the cost.

Crazy Ivan… not exactly a battle winning unit.

Demo trucks? easily countered with Orcas, Venoms or Stormriders for Gdi, Nod and the Scrin respectively.

Desolators,useful but tiberium troopers occupy a slightly similar role

Tesla tanks, i rarely found them useful, always preferred the rhinos and apocalypses.

V4s are weaker than Juggernauts and Behemoths in firepower and armor.
V4s are roughly equal to the Specter in firepower but the specter is stealthed
V4s lack the survivability of a devastator warship. both are artillery.

And finally, if we are bringing in the timetravel device i assume we are including backstories and fluff and not a in game comparison. So how would the Soviet union, the Allies and the empire travel the vast expanse of space to destroy the scrin in a galactic scale?

@20

i think you offended him, quick get the corn flakes!

P.S. kinda agree tho, the only similarity between a space marine and a zone trooper is both are heavily armoured, they dont look alike at all

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“all units have some sort of secondary function, the skills and superweapons are a step above those of tiberium wars, the units have truly ridiculous abilties (Cryo-copters and Chrono troopers being the prime offenders, freezing units or siimply deleting them from time isn’t to be scoffed at) and for the most part are capable of defending all three areas of war, so wherever the attack comes from, they’ll survive. They have their fair share of stealth troops, para troops, suddenly appearing units and teleporting waves that’ll keep any other army on their toes”

alright it is in game then. I wont include outside fluff or backstories.

Not entirely true.In Tiberium Wars certain units did have secondary functions. Both the Awakened and the Enlightened were all equipped with Emp cannons on their right arm while being relatively inexpensive infantry.

Conscripts could toss molotovs, but Confessors could toss Hallucegenic grenades and drive men insane while at the same time improving the combat abilities of units close to them.

Cryocopters ability is powerful true, but would it compare to the ability to harvest the very enemy you kill as credits like the Hexapod or the Rage generator to turn your entire army to a killing frenzy slaughtering allies and enemies alike.

Gdi Riflemen were capable of building Foxhole as a sort of defensive position, similar to the RA3 soviet engineers Bunker.

Some of the Better Red Alert 3 abilities i remember

Rocket Angel – Paralysis whip.
Hydrofoil – Scramblegun
Apocalypse tank – Magnetic Harpoon
Mirage Tank -Mirage field
Aircraft Carrier – Emp Missle
Assault Destroyer – Black hole generator

however TW3 also has other interesting unit abilities

Reaper – Absorbs tiberium to gain 50% more range and improved firepower
Mechapede – Can be built into a gigantic 10 plasma cannoned abomination
Hexapod – Eats enemy units and you get credits
Redeemer – drives enemies all around it in a large radius into a kill frenzy
MARV – any tiberium field you drive over it harvests instantly
Shock Troopers – Teleport
Raider Buggy – Emp Shockwave
Mothership – Think Indipendence day city destroying cannon
Purifier – Inspires nearby troops
Shadow Team – Highly versatile ninja infantry, may fly and deploy beacons
Specter – Used with shadows beacons, may fire anywhere on map
Obelisk of Light – becomes ridiculously powerful when supercharged outranging even artillery while being infinitely more precise and with very rapid fire rates.

Venom – May redirect laser fire from friendly beam cannons to distant enemy units, also capable of attacking enemies half the map away with enough venoms

Yes its true Red Alert units have more ridiculous abilities but the idea was already applied before Red Alert 3.

Unfortunately if we use game mechanics TW3 has other advantages.
1. Tw3 units are usually upgradeable such as Railguns for the Mammoth Tank
2. Tw3 Infantry come in squads of about 8 – 3 men depending on the unit
3. Tw3 Gdi and Nod may call for air transports at any time in game.
4. Tiberium Wars especially with Kanes Wrath is a much bigger expansion pack i terms of unit diversity, if compared to Red Alert 3s expansion. Kanes Wrath introduces 6 subfactions while Rebellion added a few units and Yurikos story.

Long Live Our Bear Overlords!!!!

@ everyone

I said I’d take him so I will.

Holds up karnes head and shows marine his dead idol’s head.

Hahahaha, Look what I got. Yup, thats right, I totally owned him and fed his body to the Emporor. Hows dat for revenge BITCH!!!!!!

Oh which reminds me about mirage tanks…I once played a multiplayer match where my friend had the luck to catch the level up sign on one of them. Needless to say he nuke the whole battalion of them. =.= Stupid bugs…

Sigh, He couldn’t kill Kharn, So instead, He killed a baby guardsman with the name Karne.

*Smite*

Chuck norris cant even fight a normal guy any more, hes a 60 year old sub-par actor.
He winning a fight against a bear is ludicrous.

Sorry for the double post.

i just found out its Command and Conquer

Aside from units, can we also factor in which series had the better soundtrack?

Red Alert has a trump too….It would be the Shogun Executioner, but that wouldn’t be enough to match a MARV, Redeemer & an Eradicator Hexapod.

@guest

That would depend on your taste. C&C 3 has a gloomy & depressing soundtrack, while RA3 is packed for rock.

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Superweapons of Red Alert Universe:

M.A.D. Tank
A-Bomb
Nuclear Missile
Weather Storm
Genetic Mutator
Psychic Dominator
Psychic Amplifier(Total pawnage)
Proton Collider
Psionic Decimator
Vaccum Imploder
Iron Curtain
Chronosphere
Nano Swarm
Demolition Truck

Tiberian Universe:

Ion Cannon
Nuclear Missile
Liquid Tiberium Bomb
Threshold Towers
Rift Generator
Mothership
Cluster Missile
Chemical Missile

Here you go….

DAMMIT THE BEARS ARE THEY KEY!!

(marches on london leading an army of batte bears)

GAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

(sapper notices that there are sixteen trillion bears all pointing rocket launchers at him)

GAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I remember throwing about 20 titans, several MLRS, a trio of Distruptors, and about 100+ infantry of all types at it and still it slaughtered them. In the end it took airpower

The 2nd time i faced it as Nod i prepared about 50 banshees just to bombard it with plasma.

Without a doubt the single most powerful unit you ever had to fight in command and conquer.

*burns i dunno

a core defender doesnt have a cockpit!

“you forget dolphins diana never underestimate the power of dolphins that can take on battle ships”

They cannot be considered SW…..they cannot destroy many units at the same time…

The general public speaks off many game-breaking units in the latest red Alert games, but being away from a suitably powerful computer I can’t look into these.

Does anyone know of the new stuff in the latest Red Alert add-on?

@ i dunno
…….

“Does anyone know of the new stuff in the latest Red Alert add-on?”

One of the new units that I will mention in Red Alert 3: Uprising, is the Allied Pacifier AFV.

Pacification of Silence? Hehehehe, endorsements….

If any of u had played the tiberium first person shooter RENAGADE i thinks you would be agreeing with me tiberium would own i havnt played the newest red alert though…

why is nobody on the red alert side bringing up yuri and his various psyonic kick ass machines

In terms of naval units and superweapons, Red Alert wins….

Just think of Demolition trucks that are buffed with Iron Curtain and positioning in the center of a base. Chronosphered Demo Trucks too…Chrono-Commandos…

Shogun Battleships of the Imperial Navy can wipeout GDI and Nods petty naval units

Tiberium growth completely blocked sea travel in Tiberian sun.

Essentially the crystals grow in the sea floor and miniature crystals forms as a algae like growth on the waters surface. Because tiberium attempts to convert anything it comes to contact with into more of itself, any tiberium crystals that do manage to grow on the boats underside can damage a ships hull and most likely sink it given enough time.

However by the 3rd tiberium war Gdi managed to decontaminate most of the sea

scrin vs japan = hi tech ownage
gdi vs allies = laws of physics violation match
soviets vs nod = the most FUCKING AWESOME MATCH EVER MADE

RA time travels and kills everyone and wins…

“RA time travels and kills everyone and wins…”

Touche, you cant beat that xD

“And how would time travel kill the scrin?”

By stopping Kane ever doing whatever it was he did that summoned them to earth in the first place. The entire Tiberium War fiasco would have been stopped with ease, just by killing Kane before he betrayed the Russians.

“By stopping Kane ever doing whatever it was he did that summoned them to earth in the first place. The entire Tiberium War fiasco would have been stopped with ease, just by killing Kane before he betrayed the Russians.”

to my knowledge, kane didnt summon the scrin, the scrin sent a tiberium meteor (or somesutch shit) to earth to begin a process that would transform earth into a tiberium planet and let them harvest it.

they didnt expect to find two factions (three if you count mutants) who had figured out how to harvest tiberium and even a godlike being named kane

the scrin seemed pretty worried about Kane, to me at least.

while Kane did summon the Scrin they were already there in the solar system but in suspended animation. Kanes death would not change the scrins goal which was to harvest Ichor after seeding it on earth

Still i think this brings up the interesting question of exactly where this fight takes place. In Tiberium earth? In Red alert 3 earth? Or perhaps neither. Will it take place deep inland or by the shore?

“CABAL is everything… Everything is CABAL…. ”

Sad to say, his successor, LEGION replaced him. Legion and the Tacitus are fused together in Kane’s Wrath