As much as I love both series, owning and completing all of the titles in each series. Ratchet takes this with ease. He has the Omniwrench to assist him in close combat and far superior weapons. However, is Jak allowed to turn into Dark Jak/Angel Jak?

Jak gets stomped. Ratchet, with all his advanced weapons, armour and spaceship has way too many advantages here.

alright my first request accepted.thanks for putting tihs up. anywhom, this all depends how each character plays this out ,but since neither one of them know what the other is capable of I think this will be a very long fight. oh and yes light and dark eco powers are allowed so now that that has been established how will this turn out hmm? my money’s on Ratchet.

Thats good and all, but if jak slows down time, calmly walks up to Rachet, morphs his gun into a gatling gun, points it in Rachets’s face and pulls the trigger, I really don’t see Rachet’s tank helping that much. That or the fact Light Jak can project a impenetrable shield. Or Dark Jak can use an number of dark powers. As for armor and health, Jak wears the ruined armor of Mar himself (a very good set of armor considering what it can hold up too) and light Jak can heal himself.

So basically a match of who strikes first…. Jak with his various abilities and super weapons or Rachet with his various super weapons. I’d still give Jak the edge as he has power over time and he could use that in conjunction with his anti-gravity/paralize gun for even more time to deal a fatal blow.

Yes, your friends are indeed credible sources as they have studied the dynamics of this fight for several hours and have participated on this very fight. (please apply sarcastic tone to statement)

I’ll go head to head with you granted I don’t think I’ll win, but it’s worth a shot.

ok so… where to begin? …defences are good I suppose. Ratchet has as many weapons for defence as for offencive assault. tesla spikes are good if he gets in range. Telessa barrier for main up close attacks zurkon the sentries from R&C:GC and R&C:UYA to stop him from getting to close. cryomines to(pardon my speech) “freeze” him in his tracks. I’d list more ,but I think you get the just.

@ Kingdomguy15 (you’ll earn a nick name if ya get five stars)- And if Jak slows down time and uses the anti-gav/paralize gun in conjunction to buy an estimated 2 minutes to get by all this defense?

Well, I honestly have no idea. I will wait to see if others post more info….

One word. Rynocyrator.

If ratchet can survive his own rynocyrator blast then he could survive a mini nuke. Especially when equipped with inferno armor.

Okay , so after Jak annihilates Rachet’s def. and Rachet is still either in a time stoppage or anti-gav field, whats stoping Jak just shooting Rachet, since all of his def. is gone and has no way protect himself. Hell, Jak can stop time more that once with a full tank of light eco so after Rachet has been hit with the nuke, Jak can stop time again, run up to him, hit him again with the anti-gav, and then proceed to kill Rachet at his leisure. This is just one scenario I can think of that would result in Rachet’s death and I didn’t even need to use Dark Jak.

@ Draco – You clearly have a hard time measuring weapon power. While the Ryno is impressive, I think a weapon that clears the entire battlefield with one shot by reducing the enemy slag beats it.

once again very intersting. the way you put it seems to be an air tight senario, but it doesn’t mean ratchet’s down for the count. lokk if Jak had just used his antigrav mod on him you’d think ratchet would be smart enough to stay away after getting caugt once in it. granted he may not know the range of the feild it extendes to ,but I’m sure the green lines would present an idea of where to stay away from as soon as jak activeates it again. as for the time stop I will admit it is looking grim for the lombax, but remember if jak used his nuke while freezing time and the impact was great enough to send him flying to lord knows where destroying everthing around him there would be a wide ammout of space in where ratchet would have time to get at least half of his defences ready or use a rift inducer5000 unless time stoped is used again to get to ratchet, but the question is how far can jak’s nuke send you flying if the target were to surrive the impact and most of the damage? another thing if jak does get ratchet and his half preped/no defence ready plan using time stop and it just wore off with ratchet armed with a devistator, or leading jak into the exact spot where he fired off his rift where a giant space monster could take him to the other side.

this once again, all depends on who does what at what time in the situation and wether or not each side has the other figured out

and now for some humor. picture this:an acupunctured lombax!

Homing missiles? WT- no What The FUCK?! That’s all you saw? That was no Ry3no, those were no homing missiles. did you even see the screen go white? or the enemies turn to ash? No? you obviously did not watch the whole video. The Rynocerator was the orange balls that congregated causing a nuclear flash.

@ Draco – I looked again and I found it, wasn’t paying attention I guess. Anyways, It’s not the greatest weapon I must say, in that there were enemies on the otherside of the arena still living, while Jak’s nuke kills everything with in sight with a single press of the trigger. So… Purple nuke > ryno-nuke.

@ Draco –

It’s funny, in all my senarios, I’ve only used Dark Jak as a sort of finishing move where any other of Jak’s weapons or even a simple neck crack is sufficent. As for the purple nuke’s range, it kills everything you can see as in perhaps anywhere from 50 to 80 yards, as opposed to the quite astonishing 30 to 40 ft (estimated from vid based on Rachet’s 5′ stature) of the Ryno. As for weapons, Light Jak can handle guns, while Dark Jak just shoots Dark eco lightning or energy orbs at his enemies (both of which are at least are on level, in terms of power, with the peacemaker).

Sure, do you have any addition arguments that would somehow nullify Jak’s time control, impentrable shield, and his nukes?

we don’t even know how nanotech and eco will react, if at all.

Rynocinerator works on the game mechanic of any enemy on the screen at the time of the flash is then turned into ash. In the case of a boss character heavy damage it dealt. From the descriptions of Jak’s nuke, these weapons seem to be identical in that they work on the same game mechanic of “kill all on screen enemies.”

for time stop all he has to do is stay at least maybe a couple hundred yards until jak decides to use it to get up close and runs out halfway there. the nuke can be solved with range as well. the sheild I’m still working on … R.Y.N.O-4-Ever maybe? this is all a shot in the dark. I’m not going to lie there.

Also, Dark Jak is pretty damn quick. He kicks ass when it comes to taking out crowds with attacks like dark bomb.

In all fairness I only played a little bit of one of the Ratchet installments (not my kind of thing, I prefer the sandbox style)

So I don’t quite know what all Ratchet has or can do, but from reading sources and the like — yes he does outclass Jak in the weapons and possibly armor department.

So in that sense he may be a better soldier or something of the like.

However, Jak does have the Light and Dark forms.

The Dark form is a pretty heavy hitting thing to use, but given Ratchet’s big guns and armor that is mentioned I don’t know how helpful it’d be in this fight.

The Light form though is what I think is going to keep the tables on Jak’s end. He can heal himself, shield himself from physical damage and of course the biggest reason like Kenny C said: some control over time

So maybe Ratchet takes this in a quickdraw, and may be more or less equal to Dark Jak (although i’m not certain, been a few years since I played jak 2) But I think Light Jak is going to take this fight. Ratchet has weapons, Jak has weapons and otherwordly abilities, no brainer.

@Kenny C – one of the more entertaining things I’ve ever read on factpile… Nicely done. +1 vote for an article of this!

Nothing constructive to add guys, keep it up.

By the sounds of it though, Jak wins through virtue of dark/light forms.

Perhaps I can whip something up with stoopid around Christmas break. Just wondering… anyone want to share ideas?

Sounds good Mega…. the only problem I can foresee is…. I need to explain Stoopid. That will take some wrangling on my part.

yes. latest versions huh? lets take a look at his newer weapons.
http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Ratchet_&_Clank_Future:_A_Crack_in_Time
http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Trillium_armor
http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_weapons#Ratchet_..26_Clank_Future:_A_Crack_in_Time

I nominate Jak for the fp award by virtue of light/dark forms.

You can’t stop time and nuke at the same time you idiot! light jak slows down time, true. Dark jak has a nuke, true. Can Light and Dark jak be used at the same time? No. Boom dakka dakka.

long story short I vote Jak for fact pile award due to a lack of ideas to bump him off other than Ratchet getting the first stirke with a R.Y.N.O 1-5. so there.
…read my last post for the full story of why i’m doing this incase you just skip over it. if you really don’t care then oh well.

@Draco: Dark Jak has no nuke. This is how it works:

Dark Jak: fast whacko that can land a big whoppin’ blow with his claws, his Dark Bomb, freaky “purple-lightning-in-every-damn-direction” technique and his invisibility. Basically a very dangerous guy you DON’T wanna get into melee with.

Light Jak: defensice and utilitarian guy who can heal himself, freeze time, bring up an unbreakable shield and fly. Also capapable of using all of Jaks Gun Mods, including the dreaded 3rd Dark/Purple mod, the Mass Imploder(aka nukie).

Whose the apparent idiot now Draco? (In relation to posts 56, 59, and 60) Looks like somebody didn’t do their reseeeeaaarrch.

Yep and more…. like nuke more.

Ratchet’s offense isn’t looking too hot either, Dark Jak has invulnerability and Light Jak has shield against physical damage.

Some more points for Jak I guess

I too nominate Jak for the Factpile award.

Admin, how comes the FP awards are so rare? This is basically over, and yet no award? I haven’t seen any award given since i started posting here, are they supposed to be that rare?

Like Kenny C. said, the award isn’t just given out to curb stomps. Most likely, it is a pretty even match that has lots of good points for both sides mentioned. Then, after the points have been argued, if enough people have been convinced to change their vote to the side with more points, the winner is awarded at that point.

Keep in mind that these are a ‘loose” set of rules that are not always entirely followed. But the frequency of the award is something that won’t be done just to do it, they have to be hard fought and earned. – Admin

I read that rule but I got the impression that it wasn’t the norm at all. I mean, Kharn vs Link is in the hall of fame, and Link stands no chance at all. Same with Chief vs Samus. Chief is tough, but Samus would rape him.

Well, i guess the rule is sometimes lifted or that some link/chief fans got SERIOUS debating skills.

Hey, I just thought of something, does Jak still have his Morph Gun and Gun Mods? I know there’s a new Jak game where he cannot use his transformations (due to eco unstability, doesn’t count in this fight) and he uses a new weapon called a Gunstaff. I’ll look it up, but with no stun gun and possibly weaker weapons, chances are he won’t finish it quick enough.

OMG! I loooove both series. Ratchet does have more weapons, but Jak has the advantage in supernatural abilities. As Dark Jak, he is stronger, faster, and can project purple lightning (Pretty sick, eh?), and as Angel Jak, he is stronger, faster, can fly and has time slowing abilities. If this came down to a hand to hand fight,which I doubt, I think Jak has the actual advantage, because he fights every day on the streets. He’s been fighting with no weapons longer than Ratchet. But, Ratchet could just get out the RYNO…

Ratchet has a pretty good chance to win.
after watching a video of the flash freeze power it takes about 2 seconds to set off
The groovitron (being a weapon that forces the subject to dance upon hearing it takes only (from what i can tell) only one second to launch and has an instantaneous effect.

Therefore Jak is helpless while Ratchet uses the RYNO 4 Ever to blast him into pieces

Let me go over a complete list of Jak’s powers for anyone that is confused. Firstly we start with the easiest to go over: light and dark.

Dark Jak is a purely offensive and violent transformation that bestows incredibly strength and energy projection abilities onto Jak. To include random bolts of dark eco lightning to extend from his body to hurt anyone and anything that’s close regardless of friend/foe status. These aid in his melee attacks as he can stack damage with each blow.

He also has dark bomb and blast. Two similar AOE type attacks. One’s more damaging and ground based while the other (blast) is aerial based with a further reach. Both usually end any enemies in one hit. He can also hurl bolts of dark eco in a straight line at any given target.

Then we get to “dark giant” where Jak’s size and strength reaches all new unspecified levels. To add to this the final dark jak power is invulnerability. So in essence a maxed out Dark Jak turns Jak into the hulk with energy projection.

On a side note there is one dark power unrelated to jak’s physical transformation: invisibility.

Light Jak is on the opposite end of the spectrum. This givesn Jak a glowing physical transformation and most of these abilities revolve around supplementary skills. The first one gained is a healing/regeneration ability. Then the ability to slow time. After that a bubble shield. Finally wings that allow for pseudo-flight/gliding.

Then we get into the other colored eco abilities as we’ve seen in both the original Jak and Daxter as well as his most recent game release. The colors are as follows: Yellow, Red, Blue, and Green.

Yellow allows for energy projection, limited flight and enhanced jumping ability. Red gives access to explosive energy projectiles as well as the ability to increase Jak’s strength. Even going so far as to release damaging radiation in areas. Blue resembles electricity in the sense that it can activate various kinds of technology. Beyond that it can increase Jak’s speed and be further used to slow down time. Green generally is used specifically for healing and regeneration.

Jak’s got a long list of weapons too with different ammo types that coincide with the different colors of eco out there.

Starting with yellow the initial “blaster” is like a standard semi auto assault rifle. One shot for every trigger pull. Moderate damage, good rate of fire, lot of ammo, very accurate. The level above this has the same projectiles bouncing off walls for further damage done to targets. Above that is the gyro blaster: Jak fires a device that flies up above the battle field and begins raining down numerous projectiles down on every enemy target.

Red is far simpler. Initial weapon is the short ranged scatter gun. Basically a small bubble of energy expands out the end of the barrel for short range damage. It dissipates maybe 5 meters out the barrel. After that is a weapon that creates a shockwave that travels in all directions. Then the thermite grenade launcher.

Blue is a standard gatling gun. Subsequent weapons create a stream of extremely powerful electrical bolts. The final configuration was the standard gatling with homing rounds.

Dark eco/purple are generally the most powerful. Its initial setting was the peacemaker which creates a sphere of energy that does several things: homes in on a target and once hitting a target arcs to nearby targets for a very good AOE. The second weapon in this set is the Mass Inverter. This essentially gets rid of gravity in a specific area for a set amount of time. The only person unaffected is Jak. Finally is the tactical nuke mentioned before.

The last weapon is made from green eco and this basically fires blobs of explosive green goo. Very damaging but nto very good range.

On top of all this Jak has many sets of armor to aid him and increase damage resistance and health up.

I can’t comment on who would win since I haven’t played Ratchet and Clank. But I thought I’d throw that all in.