This is probably my last comment of the year. most likely actually.

so i will go out on a limb here and say the Skywalkers. Reason: assuming we’re
using the Legend of the Seeker versions of the Rahls.

Happy New Year!!!

mmhhh depends which version of rhal….

- pf

This is a rather strange scenario. While I suppose a redeemed Darth Vader and Luke would have no problems teaming up, I find it hard to believe that the two Rahls would aid each other, even in a temporary fashion.

In close range combat, I give the edge to Team Skywalker. Lightsabers, after all, are eons beyond the very best technology that the Rahls would have at their disposal, and Darken tends not to focus on melee combat at all, and Vader’s durasteel armor(100 times stronger than steel) would be difficult to penetrate.

In magic, however, I would lean towards the Rahls. Additive and Subtractive Magic combined makes for a more versatile system than the Force, though I don’t think it can quite outmatch a Jedi’s powers the way the One Power could.

“I doubt Darken Rahl would even try for close range combat, but Richard hasawesome skills (30 Baka Baka Mana? 30?) and the Sword of Truth, which I’m pretty sure is unbreakable. If anything could cut through Darth Vader’s armor, the Sword of Truth could. And Luke does not wear any armor anyway…”

The Sword of Truth is not completely indestructible, though it is definitely highly resistant to damage. Richard’s experiments in “Temple of the Winds” proved that the right applpication of forces can destroy the Sword of Truth. It’s really a question of whether the millions of degrees of intense heat around the blade of a lightsaber could damage the magic-backed blade of the Sword of Truth. As for it penetrating durasteel, it might depend on how much rage Rahl has the sword running on, and if he can bring himself to use the White Magic.

skywalkers is all i can say because i know nothing bout the Rahls and
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

@shaz_s94
I would definetely hesitate to say Additive and Subtractive Magic can draw the Force. Darken Rahl could immoblize Darth Vader and Luke, blast them with Wizard’s Fire or Air, hardened to cement, perhaps even cut them off from the Force completely, and Richard is unpredictable but ten times as powerful was Darken, while Darth Vader and Luke can…um…lift things? I’m not quite sure what the Force can amount too. Could anybody give me some information on what the Force is capable of? From my limited knowledge, Vader and Luke are going to be crushed unless this turns into a close combat fight…

“jedi have telepathy. It’s an instinctual, unblockable, uninterceptable communication that can do wonders for tactics.”

The Jedi may have telepathy, but the Rahls have the Rahl Bond, created for the sole purpose of stopping telepathy from working on the Rahl family or anyone who swears allegiance to them. Telepathy will be useless here. In fact, while they are trying to use their telepathic powers (and failing) would be a perfect chance for them to be blasted with Wizard’s Fire…

I would find it extremely funny if the two Rahls would do a bunch of posturing as the reveal their weapons and then give the universally known ” Come and fight me” gesture.

The Skywalkers look at eachother of three seconds, look back at the Rahls, and the Rahls’ heads do a quick 360. /snap/

Both Rahls fall down and then Luke looks at his father-

Luke – “High five?” /Raises hand/
Vader – /Makes breathing sound for ten seconds and then commences in the most epic high five evarrrrrrr/

“The Skywalkers look at eachother of three seconds, look back at the Rahls, and the Rahls’ heads do a quick 360. /snap/”

Very possible….except I’m guessing the Rahls would be doing it to the Skywalkers instead of the other way round…

“perhaps even cut them off from the Force completely, and Richard is unpredictable but ten times as powerful was Darken”

There is nothing in any of the books that supports such a lopsided figure as 10:1 in favor of Richard over Darken. That could be the case, but it is most likely hyperbole.

Darken Rahl was born with a very powerful Additive Gift from the Rahl bloodline and gained the ability to wield limited Subtractive Magic. Richard Rahl was born with the Additive Gift like Darken–probably a little stronger because he draws from both the Rahl bloodline and the Zorander bloodline–and was also born with the Subtractive side naturally.

It is repeatedly stated that someone with the Subtractive Gift inborn are stronger than those who have learned limited control over it, much as a wizard born with the Gift for Additive Magic(such as Zedd) is stronger than one with only the calling who managed to learn Additive Magic anyway. However, nothing suggests such an extreme gap of power as 10:1. After all, Giller was able to reach the second order of wizards, only one rank behind Zedd, despite having only the calling and not the inborn gift, and Richard considered one Sister of the Dark(sorceresses who can wield limited Subtractive Magic), namely Nicci, to be a very serious threat, and six of them to be well beyond what he could handle at once.

As for cutting them off from the Force, not likely. You’re thinking of channelers(Wheel of Time) and their shielding. In SoT, wizards can’t cut off each other’s gifts with spells–if they could, I’d name a dozen instances where a wizard would have had to have the IQ equivalent of a bowl of leftover pudding to not use it–which renders the possibility of using it against Jedi even worse. Unless they put a Rada’han around their necks or set up a power-nullification web(which would require extensive prep time, work, and the use of materials the Rahls usually don’t carry with them), cutting them off from the Force is not going to happen.

“The Jedi may have telepathy, but the Rahls have the Rahl Bond, created for the sole purpose of stopping telepathy from working on the Rahl family or anyone who swears allegiance to them. Telepathy will be useless here. In fact, while they are trying to use their telepathic powers (and failing) would be a perfect chance for them to be blasted with Wizard’s Fire…”

The Bond would certainly be of use against any attempts to read the minds of the Rahls or put Jedi Mind Tricks on them, but it would not be very much use in stopping Luke and Anakin from communciating with each other on a silent bond, as Jagang was able to still use his Dreamwalker powers comfortably in the presence of bonded individuals, so long as he didn’t use it on them. The extra level of coordination allowed by this kind of silent communciation would give the Skywalkers a strategic edge, as the Rahls have no similar way of communicating without speaking aloud. Unless, of course, you want to figure they’d shout instructions to each other in High D’Haran, which they can both understand but the Skywalkers can’t.

“Darth Vader and Luke can…um…lift things? I’m not quite sure what the Force can amount too. Could anybody give me some information on what the Force is capable of? From my limited knowledge, Vader and Luke are going to be crushed unless this turns into a close combat fight…”

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_force#Force_abilities

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_powers

There you go.

“And there you go, a complete deconstruction of an argument by AHEM.”

Oh, I would not say my argument is completely deconstructed. Unless Vader and Luke could survive, say, magic-lace ultra hot Wizard’s Fire, complete and utter immobilization, blasts of Air molecules hardened to cement, lightning from the Underworld, Subtractive Magic that could send THEM to the Underworld, et cetera.

SoT magic seems much more deadly and powerful for the Force-and quicker. Darken, at least, can cast his magic almost instantly. As for Richard, when the need was great enough, he has done things no wizard has done for 3000 years…

“And there you go, a complete deconstruction of an argument by AHEM.”

Deconstructing arguments, on either side, is really what I do. Sometimes it works to my disadvantage, however. One time, on another website, I pretty much pissed off everyone on there for ruining their idealistic little theories when I pointed out that the human stomach is a poor condition for gunpowder to explode in.

“Unless Vader and Luke could survive, say, magic-lace ultra hot Wizard’s Fire, complete and utter immobilization, blasts of Air molecules hardened to cement, lightning from the Underworld, Subtractive Magic that could send THEM to the Underworld, et cetera.”

Wizard’s Fire may not be as final against the Skywalkers as it may seem. It is intensely hot and powerful, but heat doesn’t do much to Jedi except in extreme cases like the millions of degrees of another’s lightsaber. Anakin and Obi-Wan, for example, were able to duel right above lava in Episode 3, mere feet from contact with it, and yet were unharmed in conditions that would have instantly roasted a normal human like a marshmellow held too close to the fire. Qui-Gon was also able to effectively melt a heavy blast door with his lightsaber, despite that the heat given off by such melting would have made standing near the door impossible. As powerful as Wizard’s Fire is, I doubt it could go into the millions-high range that lightsabers operate at.

Against hardened air, the telekinesis of a Jedi would be a counter, as they could shove back the hardened air or possibly manipulate the molecules themselves. Their best defense would be their ability to anticipate the moves of the Rahls, something that brings me to my next point.

“Thus, a jedi would realize such an attack is being made with precognition.

“SoT magic sure is flashier, but not more potent. Luke and Anakin can throw any given rock or log in the forest at them at any given time. Neither Rahl has the senses to keep up with that kind of barrage.”

This brings up a good point, and one of the Skywalkers’ primary advantages; force precognition. With them sensing the next immediate moves of the Rahls right before they do it and communicating the information to each other through the Force, they’ll constantly be a step ahead of the game.

Keep the arguments coming; I’m enjoying this.

“vain to get past their Additive-made Subtractive-laced shields.”

- Why would it be in vain? Facts and figures concerning these shields.

“The force could simply bypass the shields and affect the Rahls directly.”
- Could you post the info you possess on these shields. I’m curious.

I’d saaaay… I can’t decide.
Switched weapons:
RICHARD/LIGHTSABER: http://the-girlqueen.deviantart.com/art/Even-Richard-cannot-save-us-123471498
LUKE/SWORD OF TRUTH: http://the-girlqueen.deviantart.com/art/Luke-Skywalker-has-the-SoT-129547831

Shameless self-promotion ftw!!!

Okay, I have to decide now… RAAAAAHL!!!!!
(that’s Richard and Darken, btw…)

“- Why would it be in vain? Facts and figures concerning these shields.”

Normal shields are made out of condensed and hardened air, which are so strong they can stop just about any physical attack. Zeddicus, a skilled wizard(but much weaker than the Rahls) also created a “crystal shield” from his magic that deflected anything thrown at him away, harmlessly.

More powerful and advanced shields, like the ones Darken and Richard use, are laced with Subtractive Magic as well to provide a more advanced defense. Whenever something attempts to get through the shield(even magic), it is simply subtracted into nothingness by the shield.

The Rahls use these shields by casting a “web” over an area or person, and then that shield invisibly protects them. In addition to protecting their physical bodies, the Rahls have also demonstrated the ability to project them over others(e.g. to protect an ally) or across specific areas(if they want to block a corridor from someone entering it).

“oh and John Anen? The force could simply bypass the shields and affect the Rahls directly.”

Ridiculous. These aren’t simply walls being put up against the attack, these are invisible “auras” that cover the entire body area of the Rahls, thwarting anything that goes against them. These shields have stood up to expert wizards using all the magic they possess to try to bypass them, and it didn’t work. Zeddicus, for example, one of the greatest wizards in the Midlands, tried with all his power to get by Rahl’s shields at the end of “Wizard’s First Rule” and his spells were completely deflected.

I am a HUGE fan of LotS, both the books and the show, but in this duel, I’d have to go with the Skywalkers. One reason is that Darken Rahl sometimes has to depend on others and/or artifacts (the Boxes of Orden) to work his magic for him, while there is no denying that Darth Vader commands enormous power himself, and the only tangible weapon is his light saber.

As for Luke and Richard, Luke has the advantage of being able to control people’s thoughts. That may or may not work on Richard, but it’s still a power that Luke can tap into that Richard cannot. Also, Luke has conscious control of his powers, while Richard never really achieves that, he only knows how to summon it when the need arises. So, Richard’s defenses down because of mind control, he may never realize his magic is needed.

However, none of this is a realistic scenario. A more realistic scenario would be for Richard and Luke to band together to fight their fathers. That is a battle I would like to see! And after the battle, maybe the sons can redeem both their fathers, just as Luke eventually does.

@John Anen
This is less about force and more about the application of it. The force choke,
for example, applies the will of the user directing to the throat. It causes the
windpipe to constrict without applying outside force. The power forms inside the
body rather than penetrating the shields.

If it comes down to a battle of force vs force, then the Jedis win since they’re
not drawing on their reserves of energy, they’re drawing power from the force.
If the Skywalkers need to bust through the shields, they have the power to do so.

@Regina
Mind control is a non-issue here. The bond of Rahl prevents telepathic intrusion
and the force doesn’t affect the strong minded too much anyway.

You do make a good point with the items of power. While it is possible to strip
someone of the force, not many sentient beings know how to do it. On the other hand
magical items can be ripped from the users hand by any number of means.

“If it comes down to a battle of force vs force, then the Jedis win since they’re
not drawing on their reserves of energy, they’re drawing power from the force.
If the Skywalkers need to bust through the shields, they have the power to do so.”

A Jedi’s power is by no means unlimited. While the Force itself is theoretically endless, there is a fine limit as to how much one can channel through themselves at one point without risking damaging themselves, causing premature aging, etc. Check the link I posted on abilities with the Force.

@AHEM
True, but simply channeling energy from a source is far easier than expending energy directly. It’s like holding onto a firehose versus lugging around buckets of water.

@Kenny C
…That scares me too…

Jesus, really? Lame jokes?

/facepalm/

Something to remember here also, is that lightsabers can deflect some magic, although the Sword of Truth can also. However a lightsaber might possibly cut right through the Sword of truth. That’s hard to say. Though in my opinion Richard Rahl is a much stronger and more confident person than Luke Skywalker, and both of the fathers went for the “dark side” as it were, the light sabers might be hard to beat. It’s a tough call. I would want to say the Rahls would win, but again it depends on whether the Sword of Truth could hold up against a lightsaber.

“but unless they can do it INSTANTLY, they are going to be killed in some nasty way or another…”
- Such as?

“Team Rahl FTW! With Darken AND Richard, they would definetly come out victorious.”
- Any particular reason for that conclusion, or are you just to say “just because?”

“True, but simply channeling energy from a source is far easier than expending energy directly. It’s like holding onto a firehose versus lugging around buckets of water.”

True, but then it also may depend on how efficiently both use their methods. After all, if a person can channel an outside source with enough power to lift a couple of rocks before they overexert themselves, they’d probably lose to a person who’s spirit can unleash enough power to shatter an entire city, regardless of their methods of getting that energy.

Not that I’m saying that is the case here. The Skywalkers definitely have the advantage in terms of pontential energy. I was just pointing out that it isn’t a case of limited energy vs. unlimited energy, as the Skywalkers won’t be able to exert force(pun not intended) with their powers indefinitely.

I don’t have a problem with that. If the SOW and LOTS fans want to make themselves look like fools and tools, let them.

“Not quite true. Before Richard came along, Darken was THE wizard of his time. The second best, Zeddicus Zu’l Zorander, fled from him rather than face him, even without Boxes of Orden, Mord-Sith, or the People’s Palace.”

I never saw anything that said that Zedd was the second best, although it is true he only has additive powers. That’s exactly why Zedd’s priority was raising Richard in a safe place. A showdown with Darken Rahl at that point would have had no value.

Also, maybe my memory fails me, but as far as I know, when Zedd left, Darken Rahl did indeed have the power of the Mord Sith, the People’s Palace, and the D’Haran soldiers, so Zedd would certainly have been at a disadvantage, but again not directly because of Darken Rahl’s own magical power. In fact, as I recall, the People’s Palace went back many generations.

Zedd went where he did so that he could protect Richard. A battle going on around a baby, an important baby at that, would not have been a good thing. Richard needed time to grow before he was ready to fulfill his destiny. Zedd knew that and acted accordingly.

Maybe it is emphasized in the show more than the books, but in the show at least, Darken Rahl seems very dependent for his magic. Not just with artifacts, but also with Giller, who after all, was only a wizard of the second order. There are several episodes where Giller was working magic on behalf of Darken Rahl, which I assume means Darken Rahl could not do it himself.

As to the bond that protects the Rahl’s, it was specifically designed to protect against dreamwalkers, not against the Jedi power of the force, so I don’t think you can make the assumption that it would be any protection against the Force. In fact, I would think it would not.

And finally, I do believe that a light saber could cut the SoT in half. Richard is not entirely dependent on the SoT for his magic, it is inherent in him, but he does not know how to consciously control it.

Therefore, I stick to my original opinion, the Skywalkers win. But a little humor never hurt anyone. Are you that insecure as a SoT fan to think that one joke could undermine any validity for a SoT fan? Among other things, it’s not like any of these people are real! Jeez…

Sorry, I thought I read somewhere that we could base our arguments on either
the show or the books. But I will add that Giller being of the first order on
the show should not have made him more powerful that Darken Rahl.

I disagree with the psychic protection theory. The long-ago wizards fighting
those battles were designing specific weapons and specific remedies. Nothing
supports an argument that the bond protects against all mind things. We’ll just
have to agree to disagree about this, there is no way to prove it one way or
another…

Either way, this still leaves Richard’s limitations.

Another point I would make is that Rahl’s magic often requires runes in
sorcerer’s sand, etc, which takes time, even if we accord Darken Rahl with
great power. The Force is available instantaneously. One might have to
imagine how this battle would be approached, because that might make some
difference one way or another, but we really don’t know, do we?

Finally, I am currently more a LotS fan than a Star Wars fan, but still I
have to go with this. Sorry!

Also

Sorry, got interrupted in my last post, but I think I was done anyway – I’m old, my memory is not so good.

At the very most, I think you’d have to call Darken Rahl and Darth Vader a draw. Which unfortunately leaves Richard the weak link.

“I disagree with the psychic protection theory. The long-ago wizards fighting
those battles were designing specific weapons and specific remedies. Nothing
supports an argument that the bond protects against all mind things.”

Dreamwalker = psychic. There are no direct psychic powers in SoT that a dreamwalker doesn’t possess, unless you include the minor ones like dream casting, which has never been proven effective against bonded-D’Harens either.

“Another point I would make is that Rahl’s magic often requires runes in
sorcerer’s sand, etc, which takes time, even if we accord Darken Rahl with
great power. The Force is available instantaneously. One might have to
imagine how this battle would be approached, because that might make some
difference one way or another, but we really don’t know, do we?”

What part of “Darken Rahl points at you and unleashes magic” don’t you understand?

Sorcerer’s Sand is a material used for complex spell forms and rituals, not for unleashing attacks in a direct combat scenario. If Rahl is setting up to use the Boxes of Orden and needs to draw numerous complex runes and spells over several hours, then he indeed uses Sorcerer’s Sand over a long period of time. However, neither Darken Rahl nor any other wizard has ever demonstrated an inability to cast magic on the spot when confronted, even when surprised. Oftentimes, they react to a new threat and unleash magic that they completely did not plan at all within moments.

Since you obviously have only a basic understanding of the how magic is used in the books, I’ll put it into a context you might understand: How many times have you seen Zedd pause and throw Sorcerer’s Sand over someone and take several minutes of preparation before he blasts them with Wizard’s Fire, in either the books or LotS?

“but what i find shocking is almost everyone forgot that Richard Rahl is a sniper with a bow and arrow, which i assume he would have with him (Given by Savildin? from the Mud People)”

The Skywalker’s precognition would warn them when the arrow was coming. If these two can anticipate and block blaster shots that move at the speed of light, an arrow(even by a master marksman) isn’t going to be much of a problem. Add to that, there is no way that a simply, wooden arrow with a steel tip could penetrate Vader’s futuristic armor.

“I would also doubt, in my opinion, that a lightsaber could cut the SoT as it has withstood Wizards Fire directly”

Are you aware that the temperature of a lightsaber is in the millions of degrees? There’s no way that Wizard’s Fire could be anywhere near that level of heat, otherwise just being in the vicinity of it when it is cast would reduce a person to cinders.

“The whole point of the shields is to prevent any harmful influence from affecting anything within the “web” that is cast. If the Force tried to come in and screw with the Rahl’s internal organs, the shield would stop it before it could do anything.”

But there in lies the point. The attack doesn’t need to come in, the attack starts inside the shields, affecting the target directly.

I believe that a lightsaber could not melt the Sword of Truth, not because it has withstood Wizard’s Fire but simply because of the supreme power of the people who created it. These were the ancient wizards, who created Confessors, the Towers of Perdition, and unleashed the Chimes. If they could do all of these things, surely their magic could protect the most important sword ever made from melting, no matter how much heat is piled upon it…

Some are saying that Richard is a “weak link.” I wish to demolish that point.

If we are talking sword skills, Richard fights in a style that nobody, in SoT or Star Wars has ever seen. To put it into a kind of perspective, one Baka Baka Mana (a savage blademaster) took down fifty highly trained soldiers piling into him at once before he was finally killed. Richard killed 30 Baka Baka Mana without a scratch…He has the skills of a thousand or so Seekers speaking to him when he fights…the Sword of Truth has a pretty good chance of not melting before a lightsaber…Personally, if we were talking close combat, I’d say he could take them both down, but that’s just me.

Magically, Richard is THE most powerful wizard in 3000 years. He is a War Wizard, born with both additive and subtractive magic. He does not have control over his powers in the way Darken has, but if the need is great enough, the magic acts almost on its own. Richard just reacts to instinct (which he has gotten pretty good at) and BOOM! Crumpled black metal and bits of lightsabers everywhere…The problem with Richard’s magic is that its kind of hard to control because even Richard hardly understands it, but believe you me, it is really, really powerful…

“He has the skills of a thousand or so Seekers speaking to him when he fights…the Sword of Truth has a pretty good chance of not melting before a lightsaber…Personally, if we were talking close combat, I’d say he could take them both down, but that’s just me.”

The biggest problem Rahl would face in close combat, assuming the Sword of Truth can withstand a lightsaber, is that the Skywalkers(being Force users) have a sort of combat precognition. They can see the moves that Rahl is going to make a moment before he actually does them, which is why Jedi appear to have such deadly reflexes. Even with all the skill of the previous Seekers, it would be a challenge for Richard to keep up with an opponent(or two) who can see his moves and prepare for them or change their tactics mid-swing.

(BTW, I don’t think the Sword of Truth has quite a thousand minds within the sword. The SoT was created during the Great War 3000 years before Richard obtained it, and to have served a thousand Seekers, it would need to have changed hands once every three years, not counting the time that the wizards would hold it in between Seekers.)

“By the way, if Force Choke is such a powerful weapon, why doesn’t Vader use it more often? It would have ended Luke and Obi much easier…”

I’m pretty sure another Force user would have methods of counteracting the Force Choke. Besides, his intention never really was to kill Luke, but rather to turn him to the Dark Side.

“By the way, if Force Choke is such a powerful weapon, why doesn’t Vader use it more often? It would have ended Luke and Obi much easier…”
- Character shielding and the fact that Jedi can push right back.

We can assume from all said and implied that Luke and Anakin have their lightsabers. Darken Rahl in his arrogance doesn’t have a sword, not that it would matter much anyway. We can assume it is the redeemed (but not dead) anakin, and post-confessor Richard, meaning his power comes “as easily as a breath” (Temple of the Winds). if either rahl used Additive, Vader’s armor would probably hold long enough for him to use the lightsaber. it would likely be father vs father, son vs son, with the force and han on equal validity, a lightsaber vs the SoT would be just like any han driven energy against the SoT: enough power, and knowledge behind it could destroy it, however Richard with his sword skillz could kill Skywalker. Vader, as in a game whose name fails me, would throw his saber, which would cut through any shield Darken put up, unless he took enough time to lace it with subtractive, which would be fatal either because of the energy discharge of lightsaber meeting subtractive (think Richard Blast), or because it would take too long to lace it. Darth could probably do the force choke or throw thing, and luke could saber him, if he could avoid richard long enough. Richard would decide the battle most likely: if it was a proper fight, skywalkers would win, but there’s a fair chance of injury/death for one of them; on the other hand, Richard would see Darken, Vader, and Luke as bad, and since he is post-confessor, he would blast them away with the Richard Blast as I call it. It would probably all come down to who acted first, and if they knew they were fighting before they arrived, or were just beamed there, and started. All the best, The Booker Smith

That, and the whole “lightsabers cut through anything” shdig.

This is an easy one. The Rahls would win. Why? Because they have the sword of truth Additive and Subtractive magic. I am a star wars fan and SoT fan but the answer is so simple. who cares about lightsabers. wizards fire and boom they are gone.

back at my first post, I’d like to clarify: I thought that after confessor he finally understood. and if he didn’t then, then he should have learned after he finally used orden. and if he didn’t then, he had brought back the temple of the winds, and made it so only he could enter, implying he knew atleast more than he had. even with vader having precog, wizard’s fire is just as hot as a lightsaber, even without the subtractive component. Atleast one person would die, I’m sure, but Darken could probably handle it on his own. I don’t know all of anything, except that is one fight I’d pay dearly to see, agreed?

@AHEM
Just as a matter of curiostiy, how do the wielders of the Lightsabers manage not to survive while using them? For that matter, why does nothing around the lightsaber burn up and shrivel as well?

The Sword of Truth may function similarly to cortosis and other similar lightsaber resistance materials or the magic used to create it could work similarly to Sith Alchemy that the SoT is able to resist a lightsaber in either of these.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightsaber

Magic and the Force abilities both have abilites that are comparable to some degree, both have a degree of telekineses, immobilization and ability to resist or throw off such attacks. While Richard’s fighting style would be unfamiliar to the Skywalkers, the same can be said about the Skywalkers’ fighting style so both have the element of surprise.

@Hally personally I was expecting Richard to be holding a lightsaber with a severed arm off to the side and Darken Rahl going WTF and and Luke struggling to actually pick up the Sword of Truth and Vader having a similar reaction.

“@Hally personally I was expecting Richard to be holding a lightsaber with a severed arm off to the side and Darken Rahl going WTF and and Luke struggling to actually pick up the Sword of Truth and Vader having a similar reaction.”

Struggling to pick up a sword? That doesn’t make any sense. The Sword of Truth doesn’t have any anti-lifting properties that prevent anyone but the Seeker from getting it, and even the heaviest styles of swords do not weigh more than ten pounds. Lifting the Sword of Truth would be no problem for the Skywalkers, even with just their bare hands, nevermind that they could pick it up with the Force if it became necessary.

“It was more a comment on how LuKe being used to a reletively weightless lightsaber being unused to the weight of an actual sword and strugglling with the actual use of one due to unfamiliarity and having muscles unused to weilding that weight.”

That’s true, it would likely clash with Luke’s fighting style and prevent him from fighting to his full potential, but I hardly see it putting him severely off balance. The Sword of Truth isn’t some gigantic eight foot greatsword, after all.

@AHEM the comment to Hally was not intended to be taken seriously, it was more a reflection on my assumptions and the expectation of seeing pictures paroding the two characters.