Suggested by Skrunks
With the Metroid universe moving up the power scale, where does it sit against the might of the Warhammer 40K universe?
Which side would win?
Suggested by Skrunks
With the Metroid universe moving up the power scale, where does it sit against the might of the Warhammer 40K universe?
Which side would win?
February 3, 2010
#1
“i read somewhere up there that these metroid infection thingies are pretty much “out of phase” with reality in their natural form, and that this means that weaponry cannot harm them. thing is, this necessarily means they are incapable of affecting the real world whilst they are like this. they would need to become “real” to be able to infect anything. at that point; *BLAM*”
That is one theory, not fact. Besides, if they really are out of phase with reality, what’s stopping them from phasing back in once they are inside something? They wouldn’t need to materialise where weapons could hit them. Anyway, they are still immune and *BLAM*ing is useless.
“as to these phazon being “plot” and able to do anything the plot dictates, i point you to tzeentch. he literally decides the plot. hell, a tzeentchian lord such as ahriman could put together a feasable plan that would result in the 40k forces losing every engagement but still winning the war, that is how utterly they can bend reality to their will.”
The Chozo tried something similar. It didn’t work out. The moment they started seeing the future, phazon corrupted them, despite not being anywhere near. Phazon can bend reality, too. The Chozo had ascended to a higher plane of existence. Their lore makes several references to “drawing the illusion of reality aside.” They were beyond it, and phazon reached out and brought them back. They were dead, and were still corrupted.
“as to replicating things such as terminator armour; the crux terminatus precludes this. you need to attack with sufficient force to overwhelm this forcefield before you can come into contact with the armour itself.”
Tell that to Samus. I’m sure she’d love to know that her energy shield protected her even when the X bypassed it and infected and copied her armor.
I’m just arguing semantics at this point.
February 4, 2010
#2
no its not a theory, its metaphysically necessary, if you are in a completely seperate existential state and in a state where this makes you immune to an opposing level of existence then you are outside of that existence entirely and cannot affect it without entering it.
as to “phasing” into something, they would have to possess the ability to replace whatever it is they are phasing into spatially. that you entail either the pre-existing stuff in that space being moved elsewhere or that it be phased out. if this is the case i concede the point, though i dont remember such being stated. without this capability phasing into something solid would result in mutual anihilation.
the chozo trying something similar and failing isnt the chozo trying the same thing and failing. if you could sketch what actually happened out or point me in the right direction so i can see this incident for myself id be grateful.
i would like to point out tzeentch is literally the god of temporality and possibility. he chooses the future he most desires and makes it happen…everyone else, even his own servants have to like it and lump it.
the crux terminatus forcefield isnt a bubble around the wearer, and i dunno if this is the case for this samus, but these things others have stated to be the size of a basketball getting inside it would indicate this is so. i think these phazon would find materialising to find themselves split in half by a monomolecularly thin energy field somewhat troublesome, though not necessarily deadly if the earlier statements as to their size are correct.
February 5, 2010
#3
Hey, Andrew, no offense, but do you even play Metroid games? Samus energy shield acts as an overshield, basically, how you just described that armor. What’s your counter argument now?
February 5, 2010
#4
BTW Phazon getting split in half does nothing to it. You go cut water in half and come back when you realize it’s not possible. I think you may be referencing the X parasite in you arguement in whic case
1: They WILL pass through ANY energy shielding and/or armor
2: Splitting an X in half grants you 2 X’s. Congratulations. Your situation’s twice as bad.
Basically, if even ONE X-Parasite infects ANYTHING in ANY universe, that universe is in deep doo doo. Espesicially when Samus is working with the X parasites.
February 6, 2010
#5
oh god damn the internet ate my post -.-
basically the issue i am taking with this particular versus is the x infecting terminator armour (or similar all enclosing armours). my previous posts all imply i have next to no knowledge of the metroid verse, what i do have is taken from here: http://metroid.wikia.com
the article about the x parasite explicitly states that the SA-X is created by infesting samus and her armour which is biologically bonded with her. the article states “the X cannot posess machines (or at least, they can’t possess non-organic Machines…)” and since no technology within the 40k universe is biomechanical in nature this by default means that the x parasite cannot infect terminator armour. it could theoretically infect the wearer, but the parasite would first require that the suite be breached, which it cannot do without infecting something else. standard human eldar and orkish armours are not fully enclosing, which means they are vulnerable; however since nothing on that wiki (that ive found) supports the notion that the x parasite can phase in and out of reality they are going to be rediculously vulnerable to these races’ defences. the orks and tyranids might be vulnerable, but i do not know enough about them (other than anything is possible with enough WAAGH!) to really comment.
February 6, 2010
#6
““the X cannot posess machines (or at least, they can’t possess non-organic Machines…)” ”
Look at that page again, look at ALL the things the X have copied, notice all of the things they copied that werent bio, like items, and temperature.
The X infect damn near everything, data, energy, bio/non-bio stufs.
February 6, 2010
#7
*states “the X cannot posess machines*
which is innacurate since i clearly remember a statue with no organic material whas taken over by a X.
anyway is this still going in a serieus way or just some argument for giggles and sharing wisdom?i mean WH has gods and stuff and metroid doesn’t…kinda makes it hard to win right?
February 6, 2010
#8
“anyway is this still going in a serieus way or just some argument for giggles and sharing wisdom?i mean WH has gods and stuff and metroid doesn’t…kinda makes it hard to win right?”
Even without the gods, they take this, but this IS curent incarnations, orks arent asembeld in one waagh, necrons are still sleeping, daemons are still hating on the IOM/Eldar, ect. ect.
Point is they arent all organized, so each faction is probably going to try to:
1)get organized
WHILE
2)fighting of infections X
AND
3)fighting the GF.
Metroid wont win, but they wont fall like a house of cards either.
February 6, 2010
#9
Orber when you say taken over do you mean automated and attacking or just covered in the stuff?
Outta curiosity what would be the effect on the metroid verse if Ridley was intercepted and killed before he led the raid against K-2L?
February 6, 2010
#10
*Orber when you say taken over do you mean automated and attacking or just covered in the stuff?*
the X took over and replicated the statue.when you destroy it a core-X comes out.
*Outta curiosity what would be the effect on the metroid verse if Ridley was intercepted and killed before he led the raid against K-2L?*
then samus would have grown up as a good girl with her parents.the universe however would fall sooner or later.the seal containing metroidprime whas failing and sooner or later metroidprime would finish what he started, only this time no samus to discover phazon and forewarn the galaxy.then there’s always the X.samus wouldn’t have destroyed them and the GF would dock in the space station and get overwhelmed and thus begins the end of the GF.
February 6, 2010
#11
“samus wouldn’t have destroyed them and the GF would dock in the space station and get overwhelmed and thus begins the end of the GF.”
Not true, metriods would still be a blooming race if it wasnt for samus, so the X would have eventually been wiped out.
Phazon would be a huge threat within metriod U, Tallon IV would become a phaaze clone, and Dark Aether(samus wouldnt be there to save the luminoth) would eventually turn into another phaaze as well, but the ing would spread like hell.
February 6, 2010
#12
The wiki isn’t entirely accurate there. The X infected the B.O.X security robot’s organic and non-organic parts. They infected and copied a Chozo statue made of stone. They infected the biomechanical Nightmare and his armor. They even infected, get this, the computer data for the varia suit. Data, pure information, got infected and copied into the X thatattacked it.
As for phazon, check this out:
http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Chozo_Lore
There’s no speculation there, only word for word transcriptions of the lore from the game. As you can see, the Chozo had moved beyond reality entirely. Time and space meant nothing to them, and they considered everything a simple illusion. Phazon ended that rather quickly. It reached out beyond reality and ripped them back, driving them insane and destroying their ethereal bodies.
February 6, 2010
#13
@ Scenario That description reminds me of Nurgle’s rot
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Nurgle%27s_Rot
Or the X-statue could suggest that chozo statues like their power suits integrate biologically. Question, does Samus’s suit morph into other suits or does she have to actually switch from suit to suit? Now about the X corrupting data when upgrades are sent do they actually appear physically outside a terminal or do you just suddenly get them after plugging into a data port?
February 6, 2010
#14
“Question, does Samus’s suit morph into other suits or does she have to actually switch from suit to suit?”
All the suits stack on eachother, boosting/adding defenses.
“Now about the X corrupting data when upgrades are sent do they actually appear physically outside a terminal or do you just suddenly get them after plugging into a data port?”
In some games the upgrades apear, but in Fusion(the X’s first and only apearance, so far) you download them from a terminal.
February 6, 2010
#15
There is a little evidence that Chozo statues are organic, but they are still primarily stone.
Samus’ suit adds all the abilities of the new suit to the old suit. She wears all of her suits at once, but in Super Metroid is able to turn one or two off. As for X and data, the upgrades are dowloaded, not physical in any way. Take a look:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlb_OqiRsMo
The X downloaded a program for an armor upgrade and turned it physical.
February 6, 2010
#16
Wait so if its current incantations that means both X and phazon are gone right? As for the Federation its gonna be in trouble when nigh indestructible ghost space marines suddenly materialise on their capitol planet and start killing everything in sight.
February 6, 2010
#17
scenario and others, thankyou for the clarification.
i would say that “data being infected” is probably a misnomer (basically, bad english/bad script by the creators). data on an infected computer would become the “property” of the mimicing x-stuff, it wouldnt be changed or replaced at all, data just is or is not.
i would also say that if there is some evidence that this statue is in some way organic that this doesnt necessarily disprove my quote. but only if it comes from canon-the games and core literature in this case i guess.
and i agree, if its a matter of current incarnations then things like these X arent going to be involved anyway, so my continuing what appears to have been a near-concluded argument may have been something of a waste of time lol.
February 6, 2010
#18
Metroid never really had much of a chance. I’m just saying that X and phazon tend to MESS SH*T UP. Allcaps is necessary. Phazon and X can mess anyone up.
When the X got the data, it was stated they had the ability to “process data organically.” I guess I got it a little wrong: they didn’t “infect” it so much as download and absorb it into themselves. That’s one area the GF beats 40K in technology. They can can e-mail missiles and bombs.
February 7, 2010
#19
The GF may beat 40k in one filed of technology but all in all i would say 40k is more advanced. Anyway even if this was both sides full power the X and phazon would be not have much impact before their sources were cut off and destroyed by necron fleets.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Hidden_Library
Thanks to the hidden library 40k forces would know instantly where the sources of both were and destroy them.