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Tough match to determine the winner in my opinion. For the sake of battle, it takes place on a neutral planet, contained to a 25 mile area. They are aware of the others presence, but must first find their opponent. X has all of his subtanks and upgrades, the same with Samus.
Who wins?
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January 2, 2010
#1
“You’re ignoring all reason. There’s only one element of dark and that’s ‘dark’. By your logic, you’re conveying it’s a stretch to say a fireproof shield can block fire from one verse, but cannot block fire from another verse, simply because it’s a “stretch”. If so, then it’s only to you personally.”
Fire is something that “actually” exists in our world. When we see fire in fiction, we know how it should behave and it’s properties. Maybe you haven’t noticed, but in the real world, darkness is nothing merely more than the a lack of light. It’s not this sinister force that can put you to sleep and inflict you with terrible nightmares such as in pokemon, stop frickin time such as in megaman, or physically or mentally cause damage to you such as in a host of other fictions.
It’s not a stretch to say a fireproof shield can block fire from all Universes because everywhere you go it’s fire and it will behave exactly the same ( unless we have reason to believe otherwise ). This “darkness” you speak of is a magical element conjured by the creator of story, and it can, for all intents and purposes, do whatever the hell he wants it too. I’m positive Nintendo wasn’t thinking of the same “darkness” as Capcom.
Whats worse, the “darkness” we see in Metroid has alot to do with this “dark matter” and “dark energy” we see on Dark Aether. What does this have to do with “evil” or “shadows” attributed to darkness in most fictions? What does this have to do with the “dark thoughts” we see attributed to darkness in pokemon? I’m sure Dark Hold in Megaman has nothing to do with “dark matter” or “dark energy” found on Dark Aether.
Can Samus suit block her from most darkness effects? Sure, why not. But when we get into the most random effects we rarely see from darkness in fiction, like stopping time and warping reality, we’re beginning to assume too much.
Where am I getting at? Your going to need better proof than just a temporal attack being labeled “darkness” to justify it not working against Samus.
January 2, 2010
#2
Anyways, another example I could give you is of “Light”( what a surprise ).
In some cases, light is portrayed as “electromagnetic energy”, the same light we experience all the time. It follows all/most of the properties we would expect “light” to follow. This type of light would normally be seen in the form of “lasers”.
In other cases, light represents antithesis of darkness and evil and a representation of good. In most cases, we might see that this type of light follows NONE of the laws we’d expect normal light to follow. In most cases, it doesn’t travel at the speed of light and it might even be seen doing strange things like banishing demons or restoring the hearts and minds of others. What we see this sort of light do is almost magical.
What your doing is saying that Wizard with a shield that can block “magical light” can withstand a laser no problem.
January 2, 2010
#3
“Can Samus suit block her from most darkness effects? Sure, why not. But when we get into the most random effects we rarely see from darkness in fiction, like stopping time and warping reality, we’re beginning to assume too much.”
Samus’s suit is known to ignore physics with another upgrade, the Gravity Suit. Her Arm Cannon defies the laws of conservation of energy.
Her suit isn’t something that abides by the normal rules. It has held the energy that sustained a reality, and did so with no noticable change to itself.
You also forget that the “dark energy” that Samus’s Light Suit nulls completely is resposible for creating a reality, is shown to cause fluxes in between the 3rd and 4th spacial diemsnions, and allows two objects to occupy the same space (ing possession). The Light Suit nulls this. It even allows Samus to travel at the speed of light along light rails, which would not be available in this match but the point remains that the Light Suit allows Samus some pretty impressive abilities.
X’s Dark Hold isn’t even an actual time stop. If it was then everything would be effected equally. Most bosses aren’t effected by Dark Hold. In fact only one can be, and that one is weak to Dark based attacks. X’s Dark Hold has more in common with Samus’s Charged Dark Beam’s Entangler which covers a target in Dark Energy and prevents them from moving. X’s Dark Hold would be like a grand scale Entangler, which is still useful except for the fact that the Light Suit nulls it.
January 3, 2010
#4
“You’re ignoring all reason. There’s only one element of dark and that’s ‘dark’. ”
The ing didnt use this “dark” element they used dark matter, ALL of the “dark” oriented beings I mentioned do not use dark matter, including X. Now, why would samus have a suit that can block something she, and the suit’s creators, have never encountered?
“By your logic, you’re conveying it’s a stretch to say a fireproof shield can block fire from one verse, but cannot block fire from another verse, simply because it’s a “stretch”.”
Yes, especialy if that fire is magic” or that sheild can only block magic fires, and not normal ones.
January 3, 2010
#5
Actually the only referance to dark matter in MP2:E is in the description of
the Annihilator Beam while it is being used by Quadraxis, which uses Dark Matter as half of its power source. Since that you get that weapon and that is consumes Dark ammo that the Dark Matter is linked to the Dark Beam ammo, but this is deduction by the player and not outright stated. The scan info from the game itself says that the Dark Beam shoots of Shadow Energy that is native to Dark Aether, which is also said to be covered in this undefined Dark Energy.
The Ing do use Dark Energy, and lots of it.
January 3, 2010
#6
@originalA
Wait, wasnt dark mater mentioned as a weapon shot by several darklings in their scans?
“X’s Dark Hold isn’t even an actual time stop. If it was then everything would be effected equally. Most bosses aren’t effected by Dark Hold. In fact only one can be, and that one is weak to Dark based attacks. X’s Dark Hold has more in common with Samus’s Charged Dark Beam’s Entangler which covers a target in Dark Energy and prevents them from moving. X’s Dark Hold would be like a grand scale Entangler, which is still useful except for the fact that the Light Suit nulls it.”
Ofcourse someone in the game had to be weak to the weapon, but dosent it make sense that bosses are resistant to certain weapons and dark hold would be one of them, they are supposed to be high ranking memebers of the mavericks, shouldnt they have more and better defenses? Dosent metriod do that as well, dark beam dosent do much to ing, now does it?
January 3, 2010
#7
“Ofcourse someone in the game had to be weak to the weapon, but dosent it make sense that bosses are resistant to certain weapons and dark hold would be one of them, they are supposed to be high ranking memebers of the mavericks, shouldnt they have more and better defenses? Dosent metriod do that as well, dark beam dosent do much to ing, now does it?”
By all game logic, yes, this should be so. However, because the Hadouken, Shoryuken, and Nova Strike are able to one-shot bosses, the rule that high-ranked enemies (read: bosses) are immune to broken abilities is tossed out the window. Why would a boss be immune to the Dark Hold? Because if they weren’t immune the game would be too easy, right (game mechanics explanation)? Not in Megaman X. Because they are just that tough (story explanation)? No, because they can still be one-hit killed. There is no reason that Dark Hold, a supposed time-stop, would not affect the same boss that is killed by one flaming uppercut or ki-ball. I would agree that the Dark Hold is not a true time-stop and is more of a large paralysis effect that uses dark energy or something.
Anyway, the Dark Beam doesn’t do anything to the Ing because they are made of the same stuff. That’s the same reason the Light Beam does nothing to “light” creatures, which are anything that is not Ing. But the Dark Beam murders “light” creatures in the same way the Light Beam murders “dark” creatures. The Annihilator beam (light/dark combo) tends to murder everything. Dark energy in Metroid tends to mess with space and time, though. I mean, the Darkburst uses dark energy to rip open a portal to SOMEWHERE and Hunter Ing will phase out of local spacetime. The basic attack of the Warrior Ing is to open a portal between dimensions and shoot you with it.
Oh, speaking of phasing out, Samus can always shoot things that are phased out, but requires the visors to actually see them. X is always visible when he’s intangible. And sure, I guess not all forms of intangibility are the same, but there are only so many ways to do it. Chozo Ghosts, for example, move in and out of existence. So Samus can shoot something that’s not actually there. Hunter Ing and Dark Pirate Commandos will phase out of spacetime. I also seem to remember some bugs with crystals on their backs that were in another dimension altogether. And a different bug that became intangible in sunlight. Basically, Samus can shoot you. Yes, even then.
January 3, 2010
#8
Actually X’s Dash ability that allows him intangibility from enemy attacks (not obsticals like crates or walls) does make him invisable. Doesn’t matter though since Samus can still just switch to X-Ray visor and stay in it while attacking him. Only a few enemies disable other visors while only being visable to a single visor. In fact the only enemies that can passively disable a visor for indeterminate amounts of time are Gandrayda and Metroid Prime, both of whom have large amounts of Phazon in them, and Gandrayda seems to be a largely eletrical entity and high electrical outputs have a negative effect on Samus’s visors. X has niether the high passive electrical output nor the Phazon signature to passively disrupt Samus’s visors for extended periods of time so Samus would be able to track him with a single visor with ease. Thermal and X-Ray should be albe to work here. The Dark Visor would be overkill. The Echo Visor would also have little effort in finding him and that one in particual is the hardest to disrupt as it doesn’t rely on a visual spectrum like the others.
And no, the ONLY, SINGLE, mention of Dark Matter in MP2:E is in the Quadraxis scan data in referance to the Annihilator Beam that it uses. There is NO other referance to Dark Matter in the game. Dark ENERGY and SHADOW Energy are both used on a few other occasions, but Dark Matter is only ever used once in that single instance. For the most part the Ing use Dark Energy for their attacks and they themselves can be encased in the Dark Energy of the Entangler and thus frozen for a short period of time, but Light Energy from the Light Beam is usually more effective… or a Power Bomb. The single case that using Dark Energy is more effective against an Ing is against the Missile Trooper mini-boss, where the Light Beam does lots of damage, but the Dark Beam can Entangle him and them a single missile kills him. Dark Beam generally isn’t effective against them though as they are made out of the same stuff, and when it is more effective against them it is a very specific situation that takes advantage of the Freeze then shatter with Missile tactic rather than causing raw damage till death.
January 4, 2010
#9
“You also forget that the “dark energy” that Samus’s Light Suit nulls completely is resposible for creating a reality, is shown to cause fluxes in between the 3rd and 4th spacial diemsnions, and allows two objects to occupy the same space (ing possession). The Light Suit nulls this. It even allows Samus to travel at the speed of light along light rails, which would not be available in this match but the point remains that the Light Suit allows Samus some pretty impressive abilities.”
All very impressive. I suppose this does seem to suggest that Samus light suit may be able to block temporal attacks. I wasn’t buying the “Samus suits sometimes ignores the laws of physics argument”, since it still didn’t prove her light suit would specifically block time attacks. But since this “dark energy” has fucked with the dimensions before, assuming this dark energy is actually darkness element, then Samus suit should be able to block darkness-based time attacks.
Sheesh, I’m beginning to think Samus has the tools to beat anybody at her level. But I do have one question though: Why does Samus have all her suits in this fight? Does her latest suits suits give her the advantages of her previous suits or does she somehow have the ability to switch them instantly?
“X’s Dark Hold isn’t even an actual time stop. If it was then everything would be effected equally.”
This, I’m not so sure on. If the game specifically has a description of some sort saying it stops time, then that’s what we have to accept. If the bosses are immune to it, I believe we can only assume one of two things-
1) The bosses are immune to time-based attacks. @OriginalA- To say that Dark Hold isn’t a time based attack just because these bosses are unaffected by time, would be the same as saying Samus’ dark burst doesn’t really rip a hole in the dimensions because her suit can withstand it ( it can, can’t it? ). Also, I remember you stating in the Cloud and Link vs Dante and Kratos that Cloud is immune to chronomanipulation. This same logic can be applied there to assume that time manipulation doesn’t really exist in the Final Fantasy Universe.
2) Game Mechanics. @Scenario- Hadouken and Shoryuken are Street Fighter attacks, so I fail to see why you used those as examples. All this suggests is that characters in Street Fighter are not immune to those attacks. As for Nova Strike, you forget that this attack can only be used with two very hard to obtain suits. The Ultimate Armor is difficult to obtain, and in some games it can only be obtained via code. The Force armor can only be obtained after all four pieces of it are found and put together. Game Mechanics help to balance out a game, so that it is just the right difficulty. If Dark Hold doesn’t work against some bosses, then that might suggests that the creators of the game didn’t want you stopping time against them ( either because that would make the fight too easy or it would ruin the challenge they wanted you to experience ). Nova Strike is a bad example because it can usually only be obtained very difficult requirements are met, suggesting that “easy-boss” battles is a reward for unlocking it. Besides, it wouldn’t really matter too much if you’ve already beat the game once.
Game Mechanics are probably the most likely answer considering even Flashman’s ( a perfected version of Time Man ) abilities doesn’t work against some bosses.
This is all of course assuming it explicitly says it stops time somewhere.
January 5, 2010
#10
“@Scenario- Hadouken and Shoryuken are Street Fighter attacks, so I fail to see why you used those as examples. ”
According to Acrosurge, Megaman X has the ability to perform both Hadouken and Shoryuken, and that these attacks will kill any boss in one hit (the fact that it deals minor damage to humans like Ryu and Ken makes me want to question X’s power level.) I’m asking why these bosses are immune to one game breaker (Dark Hold) but are devastated by another (Street Fighter moves and Nova Strike.) Using Dark Hold to paralyze a boss would be no different from simply killing them in one hit. Both are easy mode. Nova Strike, being available at the beginning of the game through codes (I still question the validity of such things in a debate) becomes Super Easy Mode. The only Nova Strike not obtained through a code or some such is the X5 version, which has virtually no range.
“Why does Samus have all her suits in this fight? Does her latest suits suits give her the advantages of her previous suits or does she somehow have the ability to switch them instantly?”
From what I’ve heard, X can switch instantly but can’t wear all of them at once. Samus’s power suit has repeatedly proven that absolutely everything can be made compatible and can switch instantly. Gravity stacks with Varia, Phazon stacks with Gravity and Varia, Dark stacks with Varia, Light stacks with Dark and Varia, PED stacks with Varia, Hazard Shield stacks with PED and Varia, etc. The bottom line is that any upgrade acquired is able to combine with every other upgrade. That’s why the Stacked Beam is so potent. It combines the armor and flesh piercing Plasma Beam with the matter passing Wave Beam with the area increasing Spazer/Wide Beams with the freezing Ice Beam with the high-frequency armor piercing one-hit kill Nova Beam all on top of the rapid-fire Power Beam. It is simultaneously the elements of Fire, Ice, Elecricity, and Force. Even Samus’s Missiles can be made to stack effects. Super Missiles are either a separate weapon, a beam combo, or a stacked upgrade. Ice Missiles add a freezing effect, and Diffusion missiles add a matter passing increased blast radius. Plus homing and rapid fire, as well as Seeker Missiles, which fire up to five at once.
…Anyway, yes, Samus can stack her suits to gain all of their benefits at once.
“Also, I remember you stating in the Cloud and Link vs Dante and Kratos that Cloud is immune to chronomanipulation. This same logic can be applied there to assume that time manipulation doesn’t really exist in the Final Fantasy Universe.”
I also remember that Cloud had an item, materia, or other special ability to gain that immunity. Otherwise, he is vulnerable, I think.
January 7, 2010
#11
“According to Acrosurge, Megaman X has the ability to perform both Hadouken and Shoryuken, and that these attacks will kill any boss in one hit (the fact that it deals minor damage to humans like Ryu and Ken makes me want to question X’s power level.)”
I’m not exactly sure about the Hadouken but I’ll base my theory on X’s Shoryuken. In Street Fighter, Ryu and Ken despite being able to withstand such attacks are only human, while X in physical capability is beyond that of a normal human’s. The original Mega man himself at the end of Mega Man 5 was able to lift a huge section of Wily’s castle despite his size. This being said, X is a far greater enhanced version of the original, so the strength of X should be roughly at least 10 times that of the original Mega Man. At the end of X2 X and Zero’s power levels and capacities are shown to be question marks as it is suggested that both of them(or at least X) has unlimited potential(this is confirmed at X4 when Cyber Peacock comments on his limitless potential). Knowing that Shoryuken is more or less a melee attack, X’s physical strength should be put into play here.
The nova strike which comes with the Ultimate Armor on the other hand, is more of a reward for players who actually beat the game, for example, the codes for the ultimate armor and black Zero are given after beating X6. Canonically, X does encounter the upgrade near the end of X5 if he goes into the final Zero stage without any armors(he is also seen wearing it if he is fought using Zero).
Also, would Samus be phazon corrupted in this battle? I’m only wondering because other than increasing defense and controlling the spread of phazon in Samus’ body the PED suit would probably be useless in this unless she was in a phazon corrupted state.
January 8, 2010
#12
“I’ll base my theory on X’s Shoryuken. In Street Fighter, Ryu and Ken despite being able to withstand such attacks are only human, while X in physical capability is beyond that of a normal human’s. The original Mega man himself at the end of Mega Man 5 was able to lift a huge section of Wily’s castle despite his size. This being said, X is a far greater enhanced version of the original, so the strength of X should be roughly at least 10 times that of the original Mega Man.”
I don’t see X being able to lift “10 times” more than his predecessor. Unless I missed something. Otherwise it’s simply a speculation. Where is it stated that X should be that strong?
“Also, would Samus be phazon corrupted in this battle?”
I believe so. Both combatants are allowed ‘everything’.
January 8, 2010
#13
Just a few tid bits.
As far as I know, Dark Hold’s official description does not include the words “time” or “stop” in it. I could be wrong though.
On the subject of Cloud being immune to negative chronomanipultion vs the Mavrick bosses being immune to negative chronomanipultion: Cloud has an ability that specifically states “immune to negative chronomanipultion”. The Mavricks do not.
Finally on the damage differance between the Hadoken from MMX and the Hadoken of SF… differant canons equal different effects. MMX universe is not the same universe and SF so a direct comparison isn’t possible. In addition to this, both are Capcom games and Capcom loves cameos from their games to appear in their other games. This is how we have Resident Evil characters opening resteraunts in a zombie mall and Megaman Trigger’s (from the Legends / DASH series) otfit being on a clothes rack. X’s Hadoken ability is a cameo appearance that should not be directly compared in strength to the staple attack from SF.
January 8, 2010
#14
http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Hold
It says it stops time, only source I’ve got.
January 8, 2010
#15
Yes, and I said “OFFICIAL” description. A description from a wiki site, while useful for getting a general idea, isn’t the same thing as a canonical statement. Differant wikis are realiable up to differant points. I know that Wikitroid is a very reliable site and is filled with canon statements and descriptions as well as logical conclusions; this is because they often times quote the official material. Contrast that with the Tranformers wiki that is filled with laughs and giggles as the posters they have a sense of hurmor. I don’t know enough about the MM series nor MMX5 in particular to confirm nor deny the legitimacy of that wiki’s claim that Dark Hold is a time stopper. This is why I opened with “as far as I know, Dark Hold’s offical description does not include “time”, nor “stop’” rather than “according to MMWIKI Dark Hold is a time stopper”.
THE POINT:
I don’t know for sure if Dark Hold stops time or not.
You don’t know for sure if Dark Hold stops time or not.
Niether of us know for sure exactly how accurate that wiki is about its statments.
Right now we have one description from a dubious source, instead of a concreat description from a canon source.
I would rather let this subject lay down for a while untill someone can find an actual offical description of Dark Hold.
January 9, 2010
#16
The Hadouken point was more or less a joke. I didn’t mean it to be taken seriously. Actually, that’s my main problem with them: they are not meant to be seriously considered as part of Megaman X’s arsenal. They are easter eggs, basically. The closest Metroid equivalent I can think of would be Samus being able to wear the Fusion Suit in Metroid Prime despite their stories being several years apart. Does this mean, say, that the Fusion Suit transcends time?
No, that’s stupid. It’s just an extra that has no meaning. The Ultimate Armor/Fourth/Force Armor [delete whichever is appropriate] is similar, but actually does something instead of the aesthetic change of the Prime-Fusion Suit. With the exception of X5, the Nova Strike and the associated armor are still pretty much easter eggs with no basis in the story.
Anyway, there’s still the question of range and terms of engagement that I don’t think we covered very well. This is a “neutral planet” for all that means and they are limited to a 25 mile area. Neutral means nothing that would give either side an advantage, but that’s a bit difficult to figure out. It’s mostly a question of cover. Both sides are able to shoot through cover, but only Samus can see what she’s aiming at behind said cover. If there’s no cover, Samus still has the advantage of a sniper rifle and long distance scopes that simultaneously pick out weak points. She’s got superior vision and most likely range as well. The combatants need to find each other, which Samus can obviously do first.
An Imperialist shot in any vital spot (ie: head, chest) would be absolutely devastating, especially since it doubles in power when zoomed in. Headshots with it are one-hit kills, typically. Throw in the X-ray visor, with it’s own zoom function and weak point detector, and Samus has the option to end the fight before it begins. Or, at least, begin it on her terms.
January 9, 2010
#17
how does megaman react to electrical attacks, being mechanical and all.
Also couldnt Samus just hack him with her scan.
January 9, 2010
#18
“how does megaman react to electrical attacks, being mechanical and all.
Also couldnt Samus just hack him with her scan.”
X has fought several enemies such as Volt Catfish and Volt Kraken/Squid Adler that use the electric element. Though I’m not sure about the outputs for each it’s known that X can survive direct hits from them so that should give a fair idea.
As for the the Hacker mode for Samus…I’m not so sure that’s actually canon since she never actually acquires it from the game. It’s just a feature for the multiplayer. Whether or not its actually a canon addition to Samus’ upgrades can’t really be confirmed unless it appears in one of the games’ story modes.
January 9, 2010
#19
“how does megaman react to electrical attacks, being mechanical and all.
Also couldnt Samus just hack him with her scan.”
X has fought several enemies such as Volt Catfish and Volt Kraken/Squid Adler that use the electric element. Though I’m not sure about the outputs for each it’s known that X can survive direct hits from them so that should give a fair idea.
As for the the Hacker mode for Samus…I’m not so sure that’s actually canon since she never actually acquires it from the game. It’s just a feature for the multiplayer. Whether or not its actually a canon addition to Samus’ upgrades can’t really be confirmed unless it appears in one of the games’ story modes.
“Throw in the X-ray visor, with it’s own zoom function and weak point detector, and Samus has the option to end the fight before it begins.”
The thing about the X-ray visor though is the fact that she actually needs to get a lock on before the zoom can work(but of course, this could just be gameplay mechanics). According to wikitroid, a good method of preventing the attack of the imperialist is to hit the attacker with homing weapons, something that X has(homing torpedo for example) From X4 it can be seen that X is aware of when he’s homed in to(Cyber peacock). So this should have to depend on who can find the other first. Since each is aware of each other’s presence, X would be wise to dish out several area attacks that should make the playing field pretty much even as well.
January 9, 2010
#20
“The thing about the X-ray visor though is the fact that she actually needs to get a lock on before the zoom can work(but of course, this could just be gameplay mechanics).”
True, but the Imperialist has it’s own zoom function that does not lock. It’s only a matter of zooming in, then switching to the appropriate visor (Thermal, X-Ray, Dark, Echo, etc.) to lock right before firing on the selected weak point.
“According to wikitroid, a good method of preventing the attack of the imperialist is to hit the attacker with homing weapons, something that X has(homing torpedo for example)”
From what I’ve seen, that’s too slow to do much, while the Imperialist travels at the speed of light, being a laser and all. Besides, X would need to know Samus’s general direction before firing, but he can’t know where she is until she shoots first.
“From X4 it can be seen that X is aware of when he’s homed in to(Cyber peacock)”
But again, direction. X knew an attack was coming, but not when or from where. Even so, the lightspeed Imperialist gives him no chance to prepare.
“So this should have to depend on who can find the other first. Since each is aware of each other’s presence, X would be wise to dish out several area attacks that should make the playing field pretty much even as well.”
Samus has the advantage in vision and maybe range. She WILL find X before he finds her, there is no question of this. Her weaponry has also shown to be very far reaching, with the power beam traveling several miles at the least without even being designated a long range weapon. Samus can simply fire a sniper shot, then switch to the Stacked beam until the Imperialist reloads, all from far out of X’s range.
When he gets close, Speed Boost away at the speed of sound, rinse, and repeat. Imperialist can have up to 400 shots, so this can go on for a very long time, and even then, the Stacked Beam contains the power beam, so it retains the long range. Should she choose to, Samus can go total war of attrition on X and there’s nothing I’ve seen that can stop it.
January 9, 2010
#21
“Her weaponry has also shown to be very far reaching, with the power beam traveling several miles at the least without even being designated a long range weapon.”
I wouldn’t be so sure about that, I mean the Power beam doesn’t even have as much of a range without the long beam function but I get your point
January 9, 2010
#22
“As for the the Hacker mode for Samus…I’m not so sure that’s actually canon since she never actually acquires it from the game. It’s just a feature for the multiplayer. Whether or not its actually a canon addition to Samus’ upgrades can’t really be confirmed unless it appears in one of the games’ story modes.”
It has, but is never used on enemies such as robots and the like. Samus can hack any computer she scans, especially Space Pirate encryptions. Actually, now that I think about it, there are turrets that Samus can hack to keep them from attacking her. The suit is even able to hack hand scanners by touch alone.
All useless against X, however. He can’t be hacked, apparently.
January 9, 2010
#23
“I wouldn’t be so sure about that, I mean the Power beam doesn’t even have as much of a range without the long beam function but I get your point.”
I suppose, but the Long beam was internalized to now apply to all beam weapons. The power beam was simply the longest one I have seen, hitting mountains several miles away in Metroid Prime.
January 10, 2010
#24
“Actually, now that I think about it, there are turrets that Samus can hack to keep them from attacking her. The suit is even able to hack hand scanners by touch alone.”
The only turrets I remember hacking were controlled by a control panel that was behind them. But her suit hacks anything “less” than it, I don tthink X is less or greater than her.
January 11, 2010
#25
“DARK NECROBAT
Dark Necrobat was created by Sigma three years ago, but he escaped from
Sigma’s control and has been in hiding since that time. Sigma thought
Necrobat wouldn’t be a serious fighting power and forgot about him.
Dark Necrobat can use Dark Hold to stop time for a short while.”
got that from the manual for Mega Man X5…just thought I’d bring it up
January 11, 2010
#26
Good find.
That certainly is going to make it harder for Samus. Whether that be her Suit not being able to counter it or proving that her Suit can counter it I’m still not sure, but now it is official; Dark Hold is an actual Time Stop (that is not universally effective).