“Uh,but that ship could cause stellar collapses and survives 4 mac blasts with each a power of 1.17 terraton.Or what about defeating an entire elite fleet.”

Hotshot, please burn in a fire whilst choking on glass. Please.

A) If all four of those impacts totaled to 4.68 teratons, the Portal, Master Chief, the Arbiter and a three hundred kilometer area of Eastern Africa would have been vaporized the moment those slugs passed through the barrel.

In fact if there was a brain present in that skull of yours, you would have figured out that those detonations were mid to low kiloton AT BEST; learn your orders of magnitude fucktard.

B) The Sangheili-San ‘Shyuum War occurred long before the Elite’s started to adopt Forerunner technology, approximately three thousand years before the events of the games. Do you genuinely believe that early Elite space-faring craft would be comparable to modern Covenant warships?

Also here’s the link for the article for that grenade launcher

http://gizmodo.com/5397912/metalstorm-3gl-grenade-launcher-should-be-renamed-to-you+gonna+get+a+shtstorm+of+metal-enemy-dude

“I think hotshot means when it decimated the human fleet present at earth, but I think it was truth’s fleet that did it.”

Hotshot stated that the vessel decimated an Elite fleet. But at that point in story the Dreadnought had already fled to the Portal before the arrival of the Separatist Elite navy, so no, that’s clearly not what he meant.

@PF-See thats the difference between a character based in real life and a video game character. MC has access to 7-10 weapons of the UNSC most of which are completely useless against Duke. Meanwhile a character like Duke is grounded in the real world and in the real world there are hundreds maybe thousands of different guns in service. And since the Joes are a coalition of different nations they use each others technologies and weapons hence the plasma guns and super suits. This means Duke technically doesn’t have a standard issue weapon. He has access to whatever is in their armoury which looks like it has an extensive catalog.

@PF-So true. I thought when I heard they were making a GI Joe movie it was going to be like the cartoon. But no like always hollywood takes a completely goo series and they fuck it up. They did it with almost all good series like Resident Evil, Dragon Ball Z, and now I heard they’re making a Halo movie which they will most likely fuck up too especially if that Uwe Boll has anything to say about it.

Some more info for metal storm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8hlj4EbdsE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX6YvWxtrxw

Are we looking at the future of warfare?

If we are counting a Joe’s armoury, than its only fair to count the current UNC armoury. This includes the weapons the Elites had brought in. Plus there is the chance of running into UNSC Marines and Elites also, which would obviously side with Chief. Right before the covenant left there were also-
Grunts
drones
hunters
ghosts
phantoms
wraiths
scarabs
banshees.

And on the UNSC side
ODSTs
warthogs
mongooses
scorpions
hornets
pelicans

This means that if Chief and Duke are in a fight, the Covenant will shoot both and the UNSC will shoot Duke. with Duke already a tad bit outclassed, two more tpyes of attackers will be enough to put him down, especially when cheif only has the Covenant added.

@the_man_with The_Answers-We already agreed since this is not in Duke’s universe he just gets what the suit gives him plus what he can slavage from the attle field. However the UNSC will be only a minimal threat since we already determined that Duke is fater then MC and regular humans can’t even keep up with him how do you suppose they can kill Duke? Especially since most of their weapons are ineffective against his armour. As for the elites same goes for them if MC can dodge their plasma shots Duke can do it and dodge more. Also Duke is not outclassed in any fashion accept the shield. Besides the gattling gun is all Duke needs to shred MC.

“Except vehicles that are hardwired to resist such attacks, which is pretty much every vehicle and piece of equipment used by a modern military. Although in retrospect this is a military that has overlooked basic design features such as iron sights, doors or an armoured plate to protect the driver of a tank from small arms fire; forgetting to hard wire their equipment really just strikes me as nothing unusual.”

Proof please.

Oh and we don’t need those iron sights,we have HUD.

True about the warthog with no doors,but the warthog protect half the body of the driver,it isn’t a real opening .

What??Scorpion hasn’t an armoured plate????Wtf,the hell with you,are you blind?

Suck this up:

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/File:HW4.jpg

And this

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/File:Unsc_scorpion_3renders.jpg

It has armoured plates to protect the driver.

“1) The standard M6 Magnum (the side arm of the UNSC) weighs 5-6lbs, as much as a modern assault rifle, with an effective range of 150 meters. What were they thinking when they designed this malformed and highly confused weapon?”

Wtf is wrong with that weapon?It has a scope,long range compared with modern day pistols.Explosive ammo…There is nothing wrong with it.

“2) The M7 SMG fires 5mm caseless cartridges with an effective range of only 50 meters, this is basically just a clumsy Uzi. ”

Yea but helljumpers use another version of the smg.

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/M7S_Caseless_Submachine_Gun

-The M7S is equipped with a sound suppressor.
-The M7S is also equipped with a red dot “reflex” scope, making it more effective in dark areas, night and in general close quarters combat.
-A flashlight is attached under the suppressor off to the bottom left side of the barrel, similar to the Shotgun.
-The magazine capacity has been reduced from 60 rounds to 48.
-Its reflex scope allows the weapon to zoom in, similar to the new pistol.

Range of this smg is better than the MA5B,that means.Range is larger than 300 meters.

“This invites us to ask exactly why, after centuries of technological advancement, the UNSC is using an outdated round, and moreover why can they not design a rifle using it to be accurate past 300 meters, a feat easily achieved by numerous designs of the last few decades? This thing is an ergonomic nightmare.”

Like i said before,the ODST smg is much better.

“4) The BR55, an advanced three round burst newly standardized rifle with a greatly increased muzzle velocity of 950m/s — has an effective range of 200 meters.”

Wrong,the range is 950 meters.

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/BR55HB_SR_Battle_Rifle#cite_note-1

Contact harvest confirms it.

“5) The M301 40 mm grenade launcher, one of the most spectacularly bad entries in the book. It’s an underbarrel grenade laucnher for the MA5, a good concept, sure. What’s terrible is the the range and accuracy.

“When correctly utilized, it can lob 40 mm grenades at targets within a 99 feet (30 m) zone and up to 164 feet (50 m) depending on wind, trajectory, and skill.”

Really, Bungie? What is this, a spring-powered tosser with a randomizer added for extra fun? For some context, a modern M203 underbarrel launcher — the sort currently used all over the world — has a maximum range of 400 meters and is supposed to be capable of hitting within 5 m of a target at 150 m range. For even more context, an infantryman is expected to be able to throw a hand grenade 35 meters; and a skilled thrower can chuck one even farther than that. Forget the issue with the MA5, this is one for the record books. And it gets better!

“Their annoying tendency to detonate in the hands of unskilled soldiers has made them of limited use.”

Here’s a tip for those idiot designers: put fuses on your grenades so that they aren’t armed until a certain distance away from the firer. It’s what everyone else has done since the 1970’s or so.”

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/M301_40mm_Grenade_Launcher

Where did you got that information?From the encyclopedia?

“) Equally bad is the M41 Vulcan mounted on the Warthog. Weight, length, and the round used are all roughly similar to the US adopted GAU-19, which makes sense. What doesn’t make sense is the part where the range is 100 meters. And no, this is not a random typo, because the range in feet is also conveniently provided: 328. Really? The range should be at least 1,000 meters, possibly more.”

Enough with the nonsense.Where does it says that the range is 100 meters,don’t tell me the encyclopedia,that book had some errors.

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/M41_Light_Anti-Aircraft_Gun#cite_ref-2

It has a long range but we don’t know how many meters.And 100 meters doesn’t make sense.

“) The standard sniper rifle is a fairly straightforward weapon, which appears to be a copy of the Mechem NTW-20, down to its chambering in 14.5 mm Russian. As such there isn’t much of a critique that can be made, except for the UNSC choosing to use a 500 year old rifle, and and an even older cartridge. Its stated range of 1,500 meters is also noticeable lower than the NTW-20’s range of 2,300 meters, possibly because it is shorter and lighter.”

Wrong,private o’brian hit a prophet with a sniper rifle at a distance of 2 miles,seen in halo legends.That’s a range that if almost impossible for all modern day snipers.

That means standard rifle>your modern day snipers

Wanna have more?

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Model_99_Special_Application_Scoped_Rifle

This sniper has a range of 4500 meters,yea much better than you claimed and better than all modern day snipers.

“8A) The AIE-486H Heavy Machine Gun is another Hall of Shame weapon for the UNSC. There’s nothing inherently wrong with a 7.62 x 51 mm minigun, but there is something wrong when it has a listed range of 100 meters. What’s this supposed to be useful for, again? ”

Where do you got that 100 meters?Not that encyclopedia again.That books had some errors with the timeline and some numbers.Like saying that the battle rifle has a range of 200 meters.

“can’t wait for the Killzone vs Halo : Ground Warfare thread to come out. Thank god the ISA and Helghast looked at their guns and said, “sights are good, range is good, and speed is good.” Including the fact that their tanks are actually enclosed and someone thought it would be good if they use electricity as a weapon”

Yea can’t wait to unleash the scarab,vulture,vampire and other stuff you never heard from.

Yea and the halo troops don’t need to look through the weapon,but HUD.
HUD>>>>>>iron sights

Halo tanks are enclosed ,you blind rat.And we have plasma,plasma melts titanium and other metal.

I haven’t much time now so i will return

Where do I begin… I never say this but are you retarded or a blind fanboy. When it came to the issue of what is the CURRENT STATE of the Forerunner you said this.

“They aren’t dead.Proof:-legendary planet of halo 3
-Quote from mendicant bias”

I didn’t ask were they were DEAD you moron. I ask what was there current state. You could have been honest with me and say that they’re current is unknown at this time. That would been a good answer and one that I can respect you over because you are atleast thinking about. But instead your reply was that they are NOT DEAD and you insult me and attacked me.

When it came to the issue with the Keyship your reply was to attack the source and attack me from using it makes me wonder.

“I’m a member of halopedia,I know it’s speculation”

Only Speculation in your eyes. But that makes me wonder what bullshit you made up to give yourself an edge in these debates. I can only image the lies you created in hopes of tricking some poor bastard so you can win a debate. Your patheticness is at no end.

But it does also give me hope in that site since you bash it that makes me think that there are some sane people working on that site and correct or remove your bullshit.

Oh back to the topic since the Wiki says the Keyship was on the Ark and the Loyalist Fleet was destroyed and the Elites leave the system after rovering there forces the Keyship is most likely destroyed or damaged behind repair. Don’t like it tough shit.

Now to the video

“This video isn’t conjecture,it proves it wasn’t damaged.”

That is a huge amount of bull

Reason A: We never got a good look at the Keyship to see if it was damaged.

Reason B: It did NOT take place in the final battle that is a sign that the ship was unable to use it’s weapon systems. Why… Because the Weapon systems was mostly damaged to the point that the Loyalist were afraid to use it.

Reason C: Or Truth most likely in a hurry to active the rings and need the Keyship to active the Ark which would require the ship to connect to the Ark and landed on in.

Now to the next load of bullshit and dumbassness

“HEHEHEHE AHAHAHHAHAHA,indeed the UNSC HAVEN’T IRON SIGHTS.Wanna know why?They don’t neeeeeed theeeeeeemmmmmmm.
Yea scopes can fail but it never happened in the halo universe.There was no mention of a failed helmet or scope .Halo scoped can’t be compared with modern day scopes.I’m not talking about binoculars but about scopes in their helmets.,you fools have never heard of the HUD.”

So again when their shit breaks and only a moron that knows nothing about warfare and real life will say otherwise. So once that HMD breaks down due to damage or hell EMP shockwave than the UNSC soldier will be shit out of luck because he doesn’t have iron sights for a back up plan.

“They don’t need iron sights ,they have the HUD.Heads up dislplay has targeting circles,so they don’t need those damn primitive iron sights.

HUD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>iron sight”

This so Moronic I couldn’t find a historical example. Oh wait I can.

Let us talk about the F-4 Phantom. The F-4 was hailed as the fighter/bomber of the future it was the first aircraft without an mounted machine gun. The designs and many top brass of the military believed that the mounting 50 cal machine guns on a aircraft even as a last restort weapon was useless in a modern day dogfight because missiles were the way of the future. But in the skies of Vietnam the F-4’s were being shot down by MiGs. The Pilots demanded a 50 cal machine guns mounted to the aircraft. Why you wonder they have missiles they can shoot those MiGs out of the skies. The answer is even those the F-4 was more advanced than the MiGs. The MiGs had a mount machine gun and went in close for the kill. Because of the battles of the F-4 Phantom and why many of them were shot down, because of that every aircraft even today and tomarrow’s aircrafts have a mounted machine gun as a last restort weapon.

The lession we should get from the F-4 is that advanced tech without a back up plan is useless.

a good back up iron sight>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HMD

Remember Military operations (This doubles in a combat zone) never goes as you planned it to be. In other words the UNSC has proved again that their military is combat ineffective.

Also if a real soldier or marine picked up an UNSC weapon the first question they will ask is where is the sights. If you tell them that there is a HMD for it. The soldier will reply, “Ok then where is the back up sights.” Once he realize that the weapon has no sights not even a pair of back up sights the soldier or marine will put down the weapon and pick up a M4 or a M16 which are far better weapons than the piece of shits the UNSC uses in Halo.

“True about the warthog with no doors,but the warthog protect half the body of the driver,it isn’t a real opening .”

This is so… So it protect the lower half of the body but not the important half that holds the head, the heart, the lungs, and everything else that keeps you alive. Hotshot you know jack shit about warfare and guess jack just left town.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HloyO68zuyU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwSaIbIUUWA&feature=related

If it wasn’t for their Humvee being completely covered and none of their crew exposed in the open like they are on the Warthogs they would have been killed in these blasts. The Warthog while cool looking and fun to drive is not combat effective. It is what the UNSC is in a nutshell cool to look at but when you get down to it is useless in real warfare.

I tried, to do something for MC….but after, some people’s post, I am throwing in the towel. Oh well, it is MC, no big loss…..

- the pondering fool

Hotshot, your behavior makes my mind asplode. My head is full of fuck now. I don’t post anymore because I see posts like yours and say fuck it and go lurk the forum.

GTFO and go back to the troll cave known as bungie.net

I think they’ve been looking for their champion, return to your people.

That is what I said in 122. Let us hope that sane people will stop him from doing that in a pathetic move to win a debate.

“I want to see the look on his face when they kill MC in the universe”

Well let us hope that he doesn’t read my Factpile Fan Fic and see what I did and going to do with MC (Yes this is a shameless plug for my Factpile Fan Fic)

http://www.factpiletopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=26

“Well given the math that Midnite did for us on Duke’s speed. He has the first strike advantage and if he uses his speed he might be able to pull it off. Now in terms of strength we don’t know at this time how much the Accelerator Suit power output is. But given the fact it can take a beating proves that it is a strong suit. But maxium power it can generate is unknown at this time and given the fact that I was lucky to find the info on it that I find. Finding a true winner in this find will be hard.”

But the Mark VI doubles the speed,that makes the chief faster than duke.

“The Delta-class acceleration suits are nearly identical in outward appearance to the Charlie suits, but with emphasis on speed and agility over strength increases. Delta One and Delta Two models refined upper-body agility and mobility; the Delta Three model suit was the first that could move at human sprint speed; wearers could cover 100 yards in approximately 11 seconds in the Delta Three. Acceleration capacity was perfected in the Delta Four model, reducing 100m sprint times to just under five seconds. Several wrist-mounted offensive weapons systems and control modifications to add significant long- and high-jump capabilities to the suit were added to the line with the Delta Five models, while targeting and suit HUD displays triggered by monitoring the user’s brain waves were added to round out the field-deployed Delta Six suit.”

Good, this proves that this armor doesn’t increases strength but only speed and agility.
Conclusion: It only makes the user faster and can jump high ,but it doesn’t make the user stronger. Or it doesn’t increases reflexes.

Master chief strength>duke
Chiefs reflexes>duke
Speed duke>chief(mk IV and V)
Speed Dukedukes delta armor
Yea and the chief could use his gauss rifle,a miniature version of the mac cannon

“No I don’t know anything about their current state,happy now?But they aren’t dead.I though you said that they didn’t existed anymore, sorry for the mistake.”

That is all I needed to hear that is how this fight even started because you failed to level with me on that issue and that is why we can’t use the Forerunner in this debates due to the fact WE DON’T KNOW their current state. It is like me and Skrunks using the Xel’Naga in Starcraft debates.

Thank you for finally leveling with me.

Now to the issue with the Keyship

“Completely wrong, it had no weapon systems because the covenant had removed it as a sign of peace between the elites and prophets.”

So in other words the ship is combat ineffective due to the fact it has no weapons anymore and can not be used in these debates unless stated otherwise by Admin.

“The keyship can’t activate the ark,they need reclaimers for it.And yes it landed on the ark.”

Thank you for telling me that it landed on the Ark. So in other words if it’s not destroyed or damaged, it’s stuck on the Ark with no crew to pilot it. Goody

Thank you for the information so when other Halo Fanboy arrives and being up the Forerunner and their Keyship all I need to do is to quote you on that issue.

The rest I’ll either leave to L-W and Midnite or deal with it myself from I’m fully rested.

Again thank you for weaken Halo in current anf future Universe battles more so when it came to the issue of the Forerunner.

So we think he’s slow ?

Perhaps the fact that MC has in fact has so much impact in the Halo wars is further proof of the general suckiness of the militaries of the Covenant and the UNSC.

Another thing I must bring up is the ODST. I have no doubt they are elite soldiers, but this is not really a complement when they are compared to UNSC Marines. If it came to a fight (which I plan to somehow submit) between ODST and SEALs…. I’m putting my money on the SEALs and the fact they have iron sights, actual camo, and superior weaponry (if at only in terms of range).

@the_man_with The_Answers-Yes put iron sights on weapons designed for close quarter combat where aiming is not really all that necessary but don’t put it on weapons where it really matters. Yes they’re some fucking genuises running UNSC. As for the zoom thing once again pg number cause I grow tired of the MC supporters throwing out info with no source to back it. And yes their assualt rifles suck. Hard. Intensley hard. But like most sci-fi games these day they’re maid to look cool while leaving out useful and necessary features.

Besides that the MA5B is a rip off of the MA41 Pulse Rifle which is a much better gun in general even though its a little on the bulky side. But hey the thing has a 99 round clip and a standard underbarrel pump action grenade launcher. Actually just about everything in Halo is a rip off of Aliens and Predator and thrown back together in a terribley messy way to avoid the connection.

“I see that you only metion the sniper rifle in that the only effective weapon in the UNSC Military however I’m talking about the standard issue Assault Rifles. When it comes to the Issue of Assault Rifles the UNSC has the poorist rifle I have ever seen when compared to the M-16A2. The 300 meters firing range of the UNSC rifle is weak when most assault rifles like the M-16A2 have ranges greater than the UNSC model.”

True,except the battle rifle

“Now back to the US Marine… An US Marine armed with a M-16A2 would out shoot the UNSC marine armed with UNSC Assault rifle due to the Murphy’s Law which states what can go wrong will go wrong and everything man made device will fail sooner or later and it will malfunction and the UNSC Marine will be unable to aim at this US Marine foe due to the fact the weapon has no Iron Sight even for back up use this is a failture of the UNSC Military.”

Assault rifles do have iron sights,heads up siplay doesn’t fail.

From halopedia:
“Although, not seen during gameplay, the MA5C has concealed iron sights, used by Marines and other personnel with the improper equipment to up-linking a targeting reticule to the users Heads Up Display or Neural Interface.

“Not hardly it’s more like this Iron Sight >>>>>> HMD. Now if you talk to real Marines or Soldiers they will tell you one thing that the UNSC Marine is outclassed by the US Marine due to the fact and Hotshot it’s a FACT for a US Marine recult to become a Marine he must hit a target about the size of your X-box from 500 yards away with only using the M-16A2’s iron sight. Here is a fun fact “The Marines are the only branch of the United States armed forces that require the 500 yard line qualification.” All that is with the Iron Sight a feat that an UNSC Marine can not do even with his HMD to aim for him”

No HUD>>>>>>>>iron sight
Because iron sight has one purpose,so a marine can aim better.But HUD has more.Motion tracker,shield bars,targeting reticule,zoom function,COM,…..
Why can’t a UNSC marine aim with it’s HUD.The heads up display has a targeting reticle and UNSC weapons do have iron sights.Don’t forget the battle rifle.

“Just more proof that the UNSC is combat ineffective they rely to heavily on a computer to aim for them and is unable to hit a target an odject the size of an Xbox from 500 yards away with an iron sight like an US Marine can do. The UNSC Marine Corps is a watered down and weaker version of the US Marine Corps”

Like I said before,we have targeting reticles and iron sights.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/4/42/H3ODST_HUD.jpg

The UNSC marine corps would win.

“Another thing I must bring up is the ODST. I have no doubt they are elite soldiers, but this is not really a complement when they are compared to UNSC Marines. If it came to a fight (which I plan to somehow submit) between ODST and SEALs…. I’m putting my money on the SEALs and the fact they have iron sights, actual camo, and superior weaponry (if at only in terms of range).”

Not true.ODST have better armor.ODST have targeting reticles and iron sights.And about weapons,the battle rifle and suppressed smg would be better.

“@the_man_with The_Answers-Yes put iron sights on weapons designed for close quarter combat where aiming is not really all that necessary but don’t put it on weapons where it really matters. Yes they’re some fucking genuises running UNSC. As for the zoom thing once again pg number cause I grow tired of the MC supporters throwing out info with no source to back it. And yes their assualt rifles suck. Hard. Intensley hard. But like most sci-fi games these day they’re maid to look cool while leaving out useful and necessary features. “

PFFFFFFFFFF:
This will help you:

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Scope

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Red_dot_sights

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_sight

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/HUD

“Besides that the MA5B is a rip off of the MA41 Pulse Rifle which is a much better gun in general even though its a little on the bulky side. But hey the thing has a 99 round clip and a standard underbarrel pump action grenade launcher. Actually just about everything in Halo is a rip off of Aliens and Predator and thrown back together in a terribley messy way to avoid the connection”

A rip of alien???No got influences from marathon and starship troopers.Elites are similar to the aliens vs predator.
You are just a halo hater with a stupid arguments to express his hatred against halo.

“True,except the battle rifle”

Yes because it has a scope on it does it. BUt I wasn’t talking about that rifle The Standard issue firearm that is issued to all UNSC personel the MA5B and the MA5C assault rifles.

MA5B
“its main disadvantage being its horrible inaccuracy when fired at a range of more than forty meters. At that range, enemy infantry may be hit by a few bullets, or not be hit by any bullets at all. The MA5B Assault Rifle performs poorly against energy shields unless firing on full automatic at close range without giving a shielded infantry time to cover. In comparison to modern assault rifles it can be more related to an over sized sub-machine gun, as it is seriously underpowered and lacks the ability to select a fire mode. ”

US Marine standard weaponry 1

UNSC standard weaponry 0

Now to the MA5C standard service rifle
“The MA5C’s main disadvantage is that it is grossly inaccurate when fired in full-automatic. Even though substantially better than the MA5B, it is too inaccurate for use at longer ranges, which makes the user an easy target for long range weapons – at long range a high ratio of misses to hits is likely, especially if the target is moving. The magazine can run out very quickly in fully automatic fire and has relatively low power per round compared to many other weapons, an engagement with numerous and/or particularly resilient enemies will likely require the user to reload a few times before they die.”

US Marine standard weaponry 2

UNSC standard weaponry 0

I noticed you ignored this comment I made

“it’s a FACT for a US Marine recult to become a Marine he must hit a target about the size of your X-box from 500 yards away with only using the M-16A2’s iron sight. Here is a fun fact “The Marines are the only branch of the United States armed forces that require the 500 yard line qualification.”

You ignored that state and resighted you talking points once again. But your reply though had major weaknesses to it

“Because iron sight has one purpose,so a marine can aim better.But HUD has more.Motion tracker,shield bars,targeting reticule,zoom function,COM,…..”

First off let us call it what it is really called a Helmet Mounted Display. Also the HMD you bought up are only for Spartans not the standard UNSC Marines.

So in a fight between an US Marine and an UNSC Marine the Motion tracker and shield bars are not in his HMD Read your own Wiki if you don’t believe me. Now you being up COMMs which is something the US Marine already has with his gear. Now to the targeting reticule explain to me have effective a soldier is if he requiers a computer to aim for him and can barely hit the target half of the time while a US Marine hit a target about the size of your X-box from 500 yards away with only using the M-16A2’s iron sight. A feat that an UNSC Marine cannot do with a scoped battle rifle which the battle rifle isn’t standard issue by the way.

Now to the Zooming Function they don’t seem to use it at all

Look at mark 35
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-btn5gbB1FI&feature=related

If he had a great zooming function then why do we see the spotter in that sniper team using special field binoculars I guess the Zoom Function is not good enough for the job.

“UNSC weapons do have iron sights.Don’t forget the battle rifle.”

Now you keep being up the battle rifle which is a scoped weapon and isn’t standard issue to the UNSC Marine Corps. Also there is a differents between an Assault Rifle and a Battle Rilfe just to let you know.

So anymore non-standard issue weapons you wish to being up. Since most of the weapons you being up are issued to ODSTs or Spartans and since the standard arms of the UNSC Marine is the poorist out there and if you look into Military History you see that the average soldier and marine wins the wars not super soldiers and since the arms of the UNSC average soldier and marine are sub par when compared to US Marine Corps standards. It pays to have a Marine hit a target from 500 yards away without using scopes or computer to aim for him.

“You are just a halo hater with a stupid arguments to express his hatred against halo.”

Well Midnite said it the best but I must add this. You know I feel like someone who liked the Star Trek OS but hate the Next Generation series and that is what Halo is become before our very eyes it is becoming Star Trek or like Pokemon and Halo has now suffered the same fate as those two series. I’m greatful I cashed out of those two series before they hit rock bottom. The Halo series should have ended at 3 I have since this before this is what happened to Star Trek it was ruined by the trekkies and fanboys, Pokemon was ruined by the fanboys who wanted more Pokemon.

To put it Market and Stock terms. Star Trek, Pokemon, and Halo are very bad stocks to buy into right now due to the fact the fanboys are unknowing destroying it’s stock value. Pokemon and Medal of Honor (Which I got out of before it fell apart) are already dead stocks. However Halo and Star Trek are falling greatly and have no sign of recovering. Why are the value of those series are falling or destroyed because the fans killed it.

“I dislike the fact that some dumbasses hail it as the greates FPS of all time”

I know anybody knows that the Call of Duty Series trumps the Halo series and their COD value is going up.

I don’t know Hotshot got us so off topic I don’t know I say Duke

The colonial marines would rape the UNSC…. the National Guardsmen (who I refer to as the second army considering their heavy delopment in the Middle East) would rape the UNSC….. the Coast Guard would rape the UNSC… Sapper would rape the UNSC….. they’re just not that good of a force when it comes to training and equipment.

As much as it seems MC’s actions didn’t make as much of an impact on the unsc victory as some of the other events during the course of the human-covenant war.
This was a reply to previous comments I saw.
(kenny # 138)

What I’m having a hard time understanding is Duke suviving in a battle against the covenant and UNSC were both sides have everything from infantry to airsupport. How can one super-joe handle 2 sides attacking him with no support. Another thing I don’t understand is that if normal humans arn’t even close to being able to handle the Mark 4 suit, how can a Joe handle a suit that is more aenhanced than the Mark 6. If it reacted like the Mark 4 suit, his reactions would be so great he would be breaking bones and ripping apart at the slightest action of any limb. All it would take is 2 or 3 plasma shots on Duke and he would be dead. Considering in a large engagment there would be hundreds in the air at once. It wouldn’t be hard to get at least 3 shots on him. Then add Jackal snipers with particle beams that move faster than Duke can dodge. one shot from that and Duke would be toast.

Its not the weight you can carry, its the fact that normal humans can only accellerate so fast so quick without sustainng damage to themselves. You could make an exoskeleton that makes you able to lift a million tons and you would be fine. Its when you make a suit to increase how fast you move and react so fast that a normal human will kill themself trying to lift their hand.
Lets put it this way.
on a reaction scale lets say a normal person can handle a 3 out of 10. Mark 4 ranks as a 5. Mark 6 ranks at a 7. This puts the Accelerator at a 10. when a normal joe can only handle a three, how is it that he can survive when it gets cranked up to 10.

Hey, wait. Someone give the specs of Duke? Who is he, and what does he use?

“@the_man_with The_Answers-Got any proof? Unless you can provide actual biological proof from real life I call bullshit. Also they have exosuits that increase both speed and strength. Its just when the battery run out it may have a chance of ripping your arms off.”

I do not know if going at a faster rate than a normal human body can react to, well damage the body per say. But, it could be a crippling factor, when moving at such high speeds, the normal human is not able to react to the speeds which he is moving at. There, he may injure himself. Now, if the suit somehow increases human reaction time, then the Joe will be fine moving at high speeds. If not, then he may be in danger of moving to fast to control, resulting in him tripping and etc. Just a thought mate, and nothing more.

- the pondering fool

“No,it isn’t.You guys complain about halo being milked but look at COD how many games does it have?Dozens?Oh and look at star wars,they have hundreds of star wars games.COD doesn’t have an original story,halo has.”
- Now you are really showing your ignorance – Halo: A game in which a lone space marine/soldier fight aliens. Yeah, that sure is original. ( Include sarcasm )

- The rest of your comment is quite confusing with repeating segments and lack of quotation marks in some areas.

- And concerning the UNSC rifles:
If you need a fucking computer in your brain to help you be as good at aiming with a rifle, that has a laser targeting system, as a modern-day marine with iron sights, you are a poor soldier. Indeed the battle rifle is not standard issue and only given to designated marksmen. Anothet inherent problem is the fact that the UNSC has two rifles with different ammo, that is a logistical nightmare that only further cripples the UNSC. Besides, where is the BR55 with a grenade launcher? Mmmmm?

“AK-47 is 100–1000m with sight adjustments”
- You would be lucky to hit something at 300m, but the rest of your post is da truth. Hoshot provides another…. entertaining post.

@ Mega

Very true.
UNSC Gound Weapons Developmend Motto: Advancing UNSC weapons, one step backward at a time.

“WOW you are a dishonest little tard are you… When did I say the MA5C as 40 meter range which comment did I say this you fucking dishonest lieing fuck. But that doesn’t matter 300 meters is fucking weak compared to modern day assault rifles. Let me repost something I stated earier”

Your own post nr 144,this is what you said:

“MA5B
“its main disadvantage being its horrible inaccuracy when fired at a range of more than forty meters. At that range, enemy infantry may be hit by a few bullets, or not be hit by any bullets at all. The MA5B Assault Rifle performs poorly against energy shields unless firing on full automatic at close range without giving a shielded infantry time to cover. In comparison to modern assault rifles it can be more related to an over sized sub-machine gun, as it is seriously underpowered and lacks the ability to select a fire mode. ”

US Marine standard weaponry 1

UNSC standard weaponry 0″

I’m not a liar ,you said it,you copied that from halopedia and used it.
But i admit the range of your weapons are better than the MA5C.
But the halo battle rifle is better than the modern day rifle,the sniper is better.
Even the sound supressed smg could hit targets at 500 meters a seen in halo first strike(i will quote later about that weapon)

“Since a US Marine without the use of a computer or scope and using only the weapons iron sight and he or she own eye. Shoots and hits a target the size of a X-Box from 500 yards away and hits the target. A shot that most UNSC Marines cannot make without the use of a computer to aim for them.”

And a US marine can’t hit that target without it’s iron sight,face it UNSC marines have always their targeting reticules.

“Trust me there is nothing original about Halo. It is based on Robocop, Aliens, Predator, Star Wars, Star Trek, Starcraft, Hell even Warhammer 40k, and the grand daddy of modern military science fiction Starship Troopers. ”

Many sciencefiction franchises and games are based on eachother and not only halo.

I meant with origanal that the halo has it’s own history and a large universe and COD is just about our time.I doen’t need that game,i just watch movies about it.

And the UNSC fights for it’s family too,what else?Fighting covenants for fun?Living during the human covenant war is worse than living in world war II,billions are glasses.If a covenant cruiser appears in modern day earth than it is game over man game over.Just read some books like halo evolutions,you will feel the despair in it.

“The Cyclops there is no proof that the Cyclops is still in service and was only seen in Halo Wars.”

Because it wasn’t seen in other halo games doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist anymore.But exoskeletons apeared in first strike.

“The Mjolnir is not standard issue to UNSC forces and not to metion that most of the wearers of this suit are KIA or MIA”

I was talking about the mark I,II,and III exoskeltons.SPI armor can be used by normal humans and is cheap to produce.

“Now you are really showing your ignorance – Halo: A game in which a lone space marine/soldier fight aliens. Yeah, that sure is original. ( Include sarcasm )”

And you are showing your damn stupidy.Halo sin’t about the master chie,do i really have to list all books and comics with no master chief???Do you live under a rock?Youy clearly have never heard of halo books.
halo ce:The chief wasn’t alone,he was with marines
halo 2:Arby and the chief(elites,marines,…)
halo 3:Arby and the chief(with allies)
Halo wars:No master hcief
Halo 3 ODST:ODST squad and no master chief
Halo Reach:Spartan II and spartan III supersoldiers in noble team,no chief

“If you need a fucking computer in your brain to help you be as good at aiming with a rifle, that has a laser targeting system, as a modern-day marine with iron sights, you are a poor soldier. ”

No the UNSC used the HMD because it’s better in every way than an iron sight.

“Becuase it does suck and you have made the UNSC forces sound even more pathetic. How pathetic you may ask. Well I’ll answer that for you, the UNSC has just as pathetic as the United Federation of Planets and we all know if it wasn’t for their hero and plot shields they are as weak as child”

No you guys said that the UNSC soldiers can’t aim but i have proven all of you wrong by using the HMD .

What hero?The chief??not again,the UNSC is strong enough but they almost against the covenant because the covenant are better,more numbers,better technology.The UNSC is good enough
Their nova bomb would destroy modern day earth,their ships don’t have shields but their MAC cannons are very powerful,much better than any nuke in this modern day.You are underestemating the UNSC to much.

Back on topoc:

The chief wins against duke,he will just use it’s hard sound rifle
In short:
Better armor,better skills,stronger,better reflexes,……
C’mon you turn now

“Your own post nr 144,this is what you said:”

“MA5B
“its main disadvantage being its horrible inaccuracy when fired at a range of more than forty meters. At that range, enemy infantry may be hit by a few bullets, or not be hit by any bullets at all. The MA5B Assault Rifle performs poorly against energy shields unless firing on full automatic at close range without giving a shielded infantry time to cover. In comparison to modern assault rifles it can be more related to an over sized sub-machine gun, as it is seriously underpowered and lacks the ability to select a fire mode. ”

That was a copy and paste from your own wiki. Look at the MA5B page and read disadvantage don’t like it tough shit. It has the worst full auto firing range I have ever seen

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/MA5B_Individual_Combat_Weapon_System

“And a US marine can’t hit that target without it’s iron sight,face it UNSC marines have always their targeting reticules.”

No I’m just showing you that a US Marine has far superior shooting skills and they don’t need a computer to aim for them. Which makes them a more effective fighting unit than the UNSC and given the fact with iron sights they can hit a small target 500 yards away. Now if they place a Red Dot or ACOG or a scope on their rifle makes them the most elite Marine Corps in history when compared to other marine units both real and fictional. The UNSC Marine Corps is an extermily water down version of the US Marine Corps.

“If you need a fucking computer in your brain to help you be as good at aiming with a rifle, that has a laser targeting system, as a modern-day marine with iron sights, you are a poor soldier. ”

“No the UNSC used the HMD because it’s better in every way than an iron sight.”

You couldn’t even come up with a counter to that. All you did was poorly restate your talking points.

“Even the sound supressed smg could hit targets at 500 meters a seen in halo first strike(i will quote later about that weapon)”

I find that wield because the M7/Caseless Submachine Gun has a range of 50 meters (155 ft) Which is weak when compared to the P90’s range of 200 meters, MP5 has a Maximum range of 150 meteres, Also a WWII MP 40 has an effective range of 100 meters and has a maximun range of 200 meters. It is self evident that the writer of siad book did not do his research on the weapon he was talking about. Suppressors no matter how good it is cannot increase a weapons ranges from 50 to 500. The UNSC fails again when their weapons are matched up against modern weapons.

“Many sciencefiction franchises and games are based on eachother and not only halo”

And how does that make it original

“I meant with origanal that the halo has it’s own history and a large universe and COD is just about our time.I doen’t need that game,i just watch movies about it.”

As my time as a Halo Fanboy I read the whole history of Halo and thought it was cool. In till I read a real history book and realize that the Halo universe and it’s history was silly beyond believe. Compared to real history the history of Halo is laughable to say the least. Also after reading Fall of Reach, Flood, and half of First Strike I realized that Halo is story wises complete crap. It is impossible for anyone to feel for these characters and care about them. They are poorly writen just like their history. One day when you learn that real history has far better stories and more fucked up stories to boot oh and one more thing these stories have effected out lives and sharpe us before we were even born. That my friend is one hell of a story. A true story has more effect on our lives than any fictional story.

“Becuase it does suck and you have made the UNSC forces sound even more pathetic. How pathetic you may ask. Well I’ll answer that for you, the UNSC has just as pathetic as the United Federation of Planets and we all know if it wasn’t for their hero and plot shields they are as weak as child”

“No you guys said that the UNSC soldiers can’t aim but i have proven all of you wrong by using the HMD.”

Again you failed to counter what I said and restated your talking points. We have proved that their weapons (minus the sniper rifle) are weak and ineffective when compared to todays weapons.

“the UNSC is strong enough but they almost against the covenant because the covenant are better,more numbers,better technology.The UNSC is good enough”

Bullshit they got their ass kicked and the only reason they are still alive is because of the Covenant Civil War. Hell what is left of the Covenant is still able to defeat the UNSC.

“Their nova bomb would destroy modern day earth,their ships don’t have shields but their MAC cannons are very powerful,much better than any nuke in this modern day.You are underestemating the UNSC to much.”

So you think because the UNSC has superweapons but not enough to defeat the Covenant they are strong. What the fuck have you been smoking. Wars are not won because of super weapons or super soldiers. It’s the average soldier with standard issue gear that wins the day.

“I was talking about the mark I,II,and III exoskeltons”

Last time I checked the Mark I, II, IIIs are prototypes and are not standard issue if even deployed in fact well et me quote the wiki on this one.

“In the end, all of the first three prototypes had one thing in common: They were impractical on the battlefield, as large exoskeleton units did not have a substantial use in any form of combat.”

Now to the SPI Armor
Again this is not a standard issue armor and is weaker due to the fact and I quote “This armor was designed with an emphasis on stealth rather than raw power” This is a Stealth suit not a power suit. Nice Try.

Again you have failed to proof us wrong and the fact you are a strong fanboy for a weak series makes for sad for you because you will never know what a great story is.

The MA5B Individual Combat Weapon System (MA5B ICWS or MA5B Assault Rifle) is a standard-issue service rifle of the United Nations Space Command.

Accuracy: Low to Moderate

Range: Short to Medium (300 meters)

Accuracy
The most pressing negative aspect of the MA5B is its inconsistent accuracy. Firing the weapon in short bursts will allow much higher accuracy, as opposed to holding down the trigger. One round fired may produce a perfect bull’s-eye, but the next may fly out of the targeting reticule circle and slam into the dirt a dozen meters from the same target. This has lead to the belief that the rifle is very incapable of hitting targets greater than close-range; this is untrue. If attacking targets at surprisingly long-ranges, one can effectively wound or kill that target by firing in single shots or bursts. Unfortunately, this lack of consistent accuracy has tarnished the image of the rifle, and the problem has kept the MA5B out of the hands of those who prefer less spontaneous weapons.

Advantages
The MA5B in both offensive and suppressive situations remains the Marine Corps most reliable weapon. When fired in short bursts, or even single shots, there is a significant increase in accuracy, and the rifle’s armor penetrating ability makes it key for handling even the toughest of infantry. The MA5B rifle is effective at killing light armored infantry at close-to-medium range, and the high rate of fire combined with the high ammunition capacity allows its user to spray the whole area with suppressing fire. The MA5B also gives the user an ammo count on its digital readout, as well a compass pointing toward the arbitrary magnetic “north” position. In the hands of someone who can control their trigger finger, the MA5B becomes a deadly weapon in CQB situations.

Disadvantages
The MA5B is not without its disadvantages though, its main disadvantage being its horrible inaccuracy when fired at a range of more than forty meters. At that range, enemy infantry may be hit by a few bullets, or not be hit by any bullets at all. The MA5B Assault Rifle performs poorly against energy shields unless firing on full automatic at close range without giving a shielded infantry time to cover. In comparison to modern assault rifles it can be more related to an over-sized sub-machine gun, as it is seriously underpowered and lacks the ability to select a fire mode.

The MA5C Individual Combat Weapon System[2] (abbreviated MA5C ICWS), more commonly known as the MA5C Assault Rifle, is a standard United Nations Space Command firearm. It is the successor of the MA5B Assault Rifle.

Accuracy: Low to Medium

Range: Close to semi-Medium (300 metres

Advantages
The MA5C in both offensive and suppressive situations remains the Marine Corps’ most reliable weapon. When fired in short bursts the MA5C Rifle can be effective at hitting targets at longer ranges, the rifles armor penetrating ability makes it key for handling even the toughest of infantry. The MA5C Rifle is effective at killing armored infantry at short-to-medium range – its high rate of fire allows its user to spray an area with suppression fire in defensive situations. At close range, the MA5C is arguably deadlier than the M7/Caseless Submachine Gun, as the firepower is approximately equal. The MA5C also provides the user with an ammo count on its digital readout, as well a compass pointing toward the arbitrary magnetic “north” position. In the hands of someone who can control their trigger finger, the MA5C becomes a deadly weapon in close-quarter situations.

Disadvantages
The MA5C’s main disadvantage is that it is grossly inaccurate when fired in full-automatic. Even though substantially better than the MA5B, it is too inaccurate for use at longer ranges, which makes the user an easy target for long range weapons – at long range a high ratio of misses to hits is likely, especially if the target is moving. The magazine can run out very quickly in fully automatic fire and has relatively low power per round compared to many other weapons, an engagement with numerous and/or particularly resilient enemies will likely require the user to reload a few times before they die. It should be used as a secondary weapon for shorter ranges, paired with a longer range weapon like a Battle Rifle

The BR55 Battle Rifle is a United Nations Space Command infantry service rifle, first seen in Halo 2, although it has been in service since 2525. It is the older of the BR55 series rifles. It is most notable for its powerful three-round burst fire and accurate 2x scope, making it more efficient at farther ranges than the Assault Rifle.

Accuracy: High

Range: Medium to Long range (950 metres)

Advantages
Designated the BR55 Battle Rifle, it has reasonably high power, a decent rate of fire, and high accuracy with an electronic 2x telescopic sights attachment; it can be used to deliver three-round bursts at medium ranges. In multiplayer, three body shots and one head shot will kill a fully shielded opponent, assuming the player does not have an overshield. This weapon will kill an unshielded enemy in a single head shot. Target the head and a dot will appear in your reticule, indicating that you are aiming at their head. This requires that only one of the three rounds, from a burst, actually hit and kill an enemy. Therefore, it is possible to kill up to three unshielded opponents in a single burst if they are grouped close enough to each other, though this is an uncommon occurrence. However, right after you shoot, it is possible to only shoot one round rather than three bullets, with a melee attack to disrupt the burst.

Disadvantages
At longer ranges, it’s necessary to minimize strafing movements when firing to avoid “splintering” the shot grouping too much. Since each “shot” is really a three-round burst, certain movements can break up your shot’s grouping, and could greatly reduce accuracy. To avoid this, either swap it in for the Covenant version (Covenant Carbine), or get up to medium range. The Carbine has the same degree of firepower, and it lacks the splitting effect. This also affects accuracy when firing from a moving vehicle such as a Warthog (especially when firing at a 90-degree angle from the vehicle’s heading).

The Battle Rifle is not as effective at long ranges. Each bullet also acts as a tracer which gives away the shooter’s position. Also, the range is limited compared to the Sniper Rifle. It is also not effective against Sentinels, and does negligible damage against vehicles. Neither is it an effective weapon at close range, as the low fire rate and average stopping power of the weapon makes any fully-automatic weapon far superior in close-quarters combat.

The Sniper Rifle System 99C-S2 Anti-Matériel (abbreviated SRS99C-S2 AM), otherwise known as the SRS99C-S2 AM Sniper Rifle is a United Nations Space Command firearm usable in Halo: Combat Evolved and Halo Wars

Accuracy: Pinpoint

Range: Medium-Standoff (Editor note True Range unknown.)

Advantages
The SRS99C-S2 AM is designed to be used at medium to long ranges and is equipped with an electronic scope for precisely this purpose. It has two variants – one has a 2x and 10x zoom (seen in Halo: Combat Evolved). The PC version has 2x and 8x, and the Halo 2 version has 5x and 10x. It is tremendously useful in its designated role, considering its extraordinary range, surpassing any other weapon of comparable size, and its incredible stopping power even against body armor and Covenant shields (i.e., those of an Elite.)

By far, its most useful application in Campaign mode is taking out the higher-ranking enemies in a group to destabilize their squad’s discipline and morale. A headshot against any Covenant infantry except a Zealot, Major Domo Elites, Ultra Elites, or Hunters, results in an instant kill; Hunters fall from one shot to their unarmored torso or neck. When playing in the highest difficulty, Legendary, the Major Domo Elites will take two shots to the head and the Zealots will take three. Turning on Night Vision is done by using the flash light button

When playing online, some players use the Sniper Rifle to great effect when camping. For example, skilled users may crouch inside a confined hallway and fire without the use of the scope from close range, resulting in many instant kills. In competitive games between two organized teams, both will always have a sniper. Despite its obvious role, the Sniper Rifle is can be highly effective at close range in the hands of a skilled operator, as the highly damaging round is just as powerful at close range; a single round followed by a melee strike will kill a hostile almost instantly. This does not account for Flood, however, due to the body organization.

Disadvantages
The Sniper Rifle’s projectile has a slight travel time at great distances, and requires practice to use effectively at range. When used in close quarters, its precision nature, slow reload time, small magazine capacity, heavy recoil, and slow rate-of-fire leave absolutely no room for error. A small combat load and the relative scarcity of ammunition available for the weapon also make it bad practice to expend ammunition on smaller, less threatening combatants, such as Grunts. It is also largely ineffective against most forms of Flood, unless the operator can land a round into the embedded infection form, or shoot combat form’s limbs off at a distance.

The projectile leaves a trail that can be traced back to the sniper’s location, revealing the operator’s hide or drawing hostile fire. Also, the weapon is fatally ineffective against even light-skinned and unarmored vehicles (belying its designation as an anti-matériel weapon) unless a shot can be taken on the vehicle’s occupants, except for Wraiths and Banshees(Banshees pilots are obviously hard to snipe, and even if you do get the opportunity to snipe the pilot, the Banshee would fly away before you could get either a clear shot or a direct hit; the Banshee pilot is invulnerable to sniper rounds anyway).

The M7/Caseless Submachine Gun[1], more simply known as the SMG, is a United Nations Space Command infantry and special operations weapon. There is also a version, the M7S Submachine Gun, which is equipped with an external suppressor to quiet the sound of the gunshots and reduce the flash from the muzzle. This is why the M7S is usually used for stealth operations.

Accuracy: Low to Moderate

Range: 50 meters (155 ft)

Advantages
The SMG is an excellent suppressive weapon, in Campaign against an unwitting AI or at close range in Multiplayer. It is also works well against swarms of Flood. When firing upon a Battle Rifle user or a Sniper Rifle user, the scope will become unusable once the user is hit, reducing their accuracy and giving you the advantage and the incentive to charge assuming you are positioned close enough to your opponent.

Since it has a larger magazine than the MA5C Assault Rifle, you will have to reload less often than if you were to use the MA5C. Because of the large magazine, one can easily continue through targets with little pause for reload. Like other UNSC firearms, the SMG is extremely deadly against unshielded targets, and can kill them rather quickly. In addition, the SMG serves as a better close range secondary weapon when already armed with a Battle Rifle. In combination with the Battle Rifle, the SMG makes a reliable close range support weapon when shotguns and swords are not available. The SMG serves better than the MA5C at close range due to its larger magazine and faster firing-rate, and is an excellent choice of replacement for the Assault Rifle in close combat situations, but not however at medium range. A lot of close-quarter players will wield SMGs in matchmaking to have a rapid, fast-firing weapon, so keep on the move at all times.

The SMG can also form part of the most effective dual-wield combos in the game. The SMG, when dual-wielded with a Plasma Rifle in Halo 3, can be a deadly combination because the Plasma Rifle depletes the opponents shields and the SMG’s Armor piercing rounds do the rest. Another favored combo is dual-wielding the SMG with the Plasma Pistol Often referred to as the “noob combo.” The charged shot from the Plasma Pistol will deplete the shield of your opponent and a full burst of SMG fire to tear through now-exposed flesh and armor. In Halo 3, the SMG has been improved. By itself, the SMG can be an extremely devastating weapon in close-quarters combat, simply because of its high ammo capacity and lightning fast melee.

Disadvantages
The SMG has received the nickname “The Bullet-Hose”, due to its high rate of fire, low accuracy, and inability to be fully controlled when fired in full-auto. The SMG’s primary limiting factor is its poor accuracy, which limits its use to close range. At close ranges the SMG is very powerful and is only outperformed by the Shotgun, Energy Sword and Gravity Hammer. Like most other Human weapons, the SMG performs relatively poorly against shields, though this weakness is negated by wielding it in conjunction with a plasma rifle or plasma pistol. As stated before, the gun has recoil which causes the barrel to climb after continuous fire and will climb faster if you dual-wield it. This forces you to continually move your reticule down to keep the enemy in your sights but is not a big limiting factor. This, as well as the poor accuracy can be slightly countered, using a burst-fire technique, unleashing about five bullets each pull of the trigger. It also has the problem of an extremely long reload time when dual-wielded, making it easy to be killed while changing magazines. This problem however can be solved by volley firing the weapons, so while one is reloading the other is still firing. This tactic reduces the power of having two SMG’s but gives the advantage of approximately 40+ seconds of non-stop firing.

Now this is the basic weapons of the UNSC and most of them are outclassed by todays firearms. This is all from their wiki profiles so if you don’t like tough shit “Noob”

Wepons from Halo that are equal or better than Modern Day

M6D-Scoped pistol with a semi-armour piercing round. The only realy drawback is a big kick and it is heavy for a pistol

M90 shotgun-Considering its ammo capacity for a pump shotgun you must give it some credit. It just lacks mid-long range capabilities, like most shotguns

BR55-Ok range and stopping power. It can fire on full auto and not just bursts though.(Proof found in Contact Harvest, and the promotional live action trailer for Halo 3)

Sniper Rifle-Really good range and stoping power on infantry. works well in close qaurters as well, unlike most sniper rifles

Rocket launcher- Cheap and easily used by any standard soldier. 2x scope and 2 rockets per relode. Not to mention it can lock onto vehicles.You get a lot of bang for your buck.

Gauss Rifle-Seen in contact Harvest. Able to easily fire through multiple buildings and stil kill a target over considerable range. It is practically a sniper railgun.

Frag grenade-Just about standard with any normal grenade today. One advantage is that it only activates after hitting a surface, allowing the ability to make throws that are not only longger than normal but also bounce around a corner. Or if needed you could throw it at the ground so it bounces earlier reducing the wait for the explosion.

The Cobra-A vehicle that uses railguns and can set up to be used as artillary. The UNSC are stupid for not making this their main battle tank instea of waisting their time on scorpions.

On another page.
What happens when we get to the fuure and wars start being won with super-soldiers. It’s going to inevitably happen, either by bio-augs, or super suits. Yes, cODgames are about real things, but they are not the first games to do that. Medal of Honor beat them along with many others. actually, the people that made the original COD games came from Medal of Honor developers. COD basically copied MOH and MOH copied others before it. The only games that are innocent are the games that are the first of their kind, wolfenstien, Mario, whatever the hell the first racing game was.

All of your posts are filled with opinions like history books are better than sci-fi books. I also think it is funny how you are comparing two videogames and saying one is better because it is about people like you and me fighting for family. In reality neither have family, they are games. Then again Halo does have back stories including family members and their cause for fighting. COD and others like it(besides ones on real people)don’t even elaborate on loved ones. You basically just dissed everyone that is going to be in a war in the future by saying that they arn’t fighting for their family.

Another thing I find funny is that you diss HUDs and targeting reticules when we are eventually going to get to that technology. I could easily say that marines have to rely one their open sights. I use an open sight when I hunt. I can tell you one thing, the Xbox sized object will be so small at 800 meters it will be barely visible to the naked eye. Unless they use flourescent orange xbox’s in an environment with little to no wind and good lighting no standard marine can make that shot with an open sight. Even in those circumstances it is going to be a challange for even an expert. If by what you say,that a standard marine can hit an xbox sized object at 800 meters, then why are there even snipers? All you would need to do is slap a 5x scope on the gun and you could hit a target that size at a mile(assuming the gun has that range). I think its a very lucky shot at that range to say the least. You are also dissing people who use scopes(almost every unit of any organized fighting force). BTW, the recruits for the militia at harvest don’t have the neural upgrades and they can fire at considerable ranges. I would bet money that if you took a uNSc sniper and gave him a weapon with an open sight, he could still pick off targets at range. Back to the whole HUD issue, isn’t it just a way to improve accuracy. It doesn’t mean people are too stupid to use open sights, in fact the SMG and shotgun have opensights and all other besids the AR have scopes. Now UNSC soldiers have open sights, scopes, and HUDs, doesn’t that make them better than us in terms of technology that increases accuracy?

Rs should be BRs in the overhaul list

Because of some comment roll back I am going by memory which is a good thing for you Hotshot because your last comment made you look like a fool. He is some of my replies to that missing comment.

First off the US Marines are superior shots due to the FACT they can hit a target the size of an Xbox from 500 yards away. If they can’t hit said target then they can’t be a Marine and they do this without the use of scopes and use their own eyes and the iron sight of the M-16A4 and without the use of a computer in their head to aim for them makes them superior shots. Even if they could they couldn’t the MA5C is the standard firearm for the UNSC said so on your own wiki and it has a poor range of only 300 meters.

“Changes from Standard M7
The M7S is equipped with a sound suppressor.
The M7S is also equipped with a red dot “reflex” scope, making it more effective in dark areas, night and in general close quarters combat.
A flashlight is attached under the suppressor off to the bottom left side of the barrel, similar to the Shotgun.
The magazine capacity has been reduced from 60 rounds to 48.
Its reflex scope allows the weapon to zoom in, similar to the new pistol”

Now where in that does it say it increases the range of SMG from 50 to 500 meters.
Accuracy: Moderate
Range: Short to Average Range
There is no evidences on how they increased the range of a weapon that is normally 50 meters to 500 meters and there is nothing in that list of changes that increase the range of the weapon. Also the M7S is a special weapon and is not carried by standard infantry. Fail again.

SPI Armor
Advantages
• The armor is significantly cheaper and easier to mass-produce.
• Includes special photo-reactive panels that act as an active camouflage for the wearer.
• It could be transported easily, because it is not as thick or heavy as the MJOLNIR armor.
• The armor requires less physical enhancements compared to the MJOLNIR armor, making it more versatile to other would-be users.
• The armor has an efficient cooling system, and is significantly difficult to detect even with thermal scanners.
• SPI armor does not need a technician to help someone don the armor

Disadvantages
• Has no energy shield, unlike the SPARTAN-II’s MJOLNIR armor.
• Does not give the SPARTAN-IIIs any enhanced strength, speed or agility, as the MJOLNIR does for the SPARTAN-IIs.
• It stresses more on teamwork to take down enemy threats.
• Since the AC plates take time to recover, after explosions such as a flash bang grenade and plasma hits, the SPARTAN-III is visible until the plates recover.
• Is made of a less dense alloy than MJOLNIR armor as Kelly-087 managed to dent Holly’s chest plate with her fist, on the planet Onyx.
• The SPI armor does not dispel water unlike MJOLNIR armor.
• The SPI armor cannot be used for long periods of time without the cooling system failing.
• The SPI armor has air for only 7 minutes, the MJOLNIR has air for 90 minutes.
• The armor is less agile and more clumsy to use.

“Does not give the SPARTAN-IIIs any enhanced strength, speed or agility, as the MJOLNIR does for the SPARTAN-IIs.”
“The armor is less agile and more clumsy to use. “

That suit not design to wide spread combat uses and in some ways remind me of the Panther Tank and the STG 44 Assault Rifle and the Messerschmitt Me 262 jet fighter one of the first combat effective jet fighters in history. All were mass produced but yet none of them couldn’t save Germany from defeat. This suit is unable to change the tide to any war.

My reply to one of your rage moments

I was talking about History that is where the greatest stories are in.

Alexander the Great and how he nearly conquered the world and the rise and fall of the empire he created.

Or how Julius Caesar took down the republic and aloud Octavius to create the Roman Empire and is renamed Augustus.

Cleopatra VII… her story is covered with love and death.

Boudica a female Celtic chieftain in Britain, led a massive uprising against the occupying Roman forces. The Romans attempted to raise the morale of their troops by informing them that her army contained more women than men.

Or how about our revolution and how a nation of farmers took on a world super power and won and changed the world forever.

Now if you want to talk about video game stories then Halo still low. Metal Gear Solid has the best story any video game has ever had. All for games are full of characters that are not one dimensional even the villains are not one dimensional. All had screwed up lives and are in mental pain and in fact you feel sorry for the villains. The Metal Gear Solid series story is better than Halo, Killzone, GTA 4, Star Wars, COD: MW 2 and Starcraft combined.

And as a FORMER HALO FANBOY myself I read Reach and saw that MC was in fact a Brainwashed Soldier and nothing more. He has no free will, has no character, and has nothing for anyone to care about him.

Now since every comment was erased do to what I guess was a roll back error or something like that. Your comment was removed which is a good thing for you because it made you look like a fool. So this is all I can remember from your Fanboy rage comment.

Well try to rewrite it without the anger