One more thing =)
Darth Vader stopped blaster fire from Han Solo with his gloved hand and the force and nothing else. then stole the gun from Han. Empire Strikes back.

All you that think Vader would win you are !@$#*&%*!.MC will definitely win.Have you forgotten the gravity hammer or the beam rifle?One shot,Vader down.

WINNER:Master Chief!!!

Vader vs MC: Vader’s lightsaber vs MC’s energysword…
So we’ve got to end the Energy Sword vs Lightsaber battle…
Anyway, Vader will be able to defend himself against MC with the Force.
Only a Jedi would win against Vader. Even Kenobi would, if he would have fought for real.

Can you show me an instance where the force warns Vader of someones presence, who they are, and what tehy are about to do? (Genuine question, not sarcasm) Everything I’ve seen from the movies shows Vader only has a vague “sense” of someone being near… Not the same thing.

If he’s on a space station, or on a ship, or even on the ground with tens of thousands of others around him, why would he single out one person as “oh no! Someone’s near by! I better zero in on them and force choke!”

Not to mention, Chief has 20 – 30 times the strength of a normal human, and is much more durable. Would Vader know this in advance? If not, I can see him using a standard choke that would be insufficient to kill the Chief.

Either way, Vader has no way of dodging a 45,000 MPS projectile, and will likely be dead if Chief gets the shot off. Interesting premise to be sure, but I stand by my original assement. Up close with the force, Vader wins. In Hand to hand, Vader loses.

If MC manages a stealth approach, Vader dies.

“”"”The first trilogy was limited in terms of budget and advancements in the area of special effects. The expanded universe shows Vader for what he really is, an unstoppable killing machine, faster than the human eye can track.”"”

What? SO you’re just picking and chosing what fits with your perception? lol — So if it shows him as powerful, it’s canon… If it shows him as weak, it’s chalked up to budget constraints? Are you kidding me?

That’s called being biased. If it’s in the movie, it’s canon my friend. And the bottom line is Vader had his butt handed to him by someone using very poor, (And very slow) predictable fighting. It was quite sad. Not to mention, after the first film, they had more money to play with, and so forth… So what do you mean? How is showing someone getting their hand chopped off relevant to special effects or budget constraints? Seems kind of like you’re arguing a non-point.

“”"”Blaster bolts move at the speed of light, and Vader blocked those with ease. Not to mention that the sniper bullet would bounce off his durasteel armour.”"”"

B;aster bolts do NOT travel at the speed of light. Unless you believe the speed of light is 200 mph… It’s visible, and we see Jedi moving their lightsabers at maybe 25 – 30 mph blocking them!! lol lol lol — Sorry bud, all evidence proves you WRONG here. Blaster bolts are slow. Painfully so… Heck, Jedi even have time to do fancy spins thus blocking a bolt AFTER it has left the barrel of their enemy!! You really think light is that slow? lol

You believe that Vaders armor will block an armor peircing round that is travelling at 45,000 feet per second? To put htings into perspective, a current rifle round travelling at 2,800 FPS will blow through a bowling ball, and still have enough energy to penetrate both sides of a “bullet proof” vest…. A round travelling at 45,000 FPS will slice through Vader like a razor through my chin when shaving at 3 AM…

“”"”"Yes, he already knows the Chief’s there, he already knows where the bullet is going to hit, and with aid from the Force he sure as hell is fast enough.”"”"

So Vader can travel at hypersonic velocities???? Please provide proof. The time it takes for the nerve signals to reach your brain, and tell your muscles what the do, the bullet has already penetrated his goofy helmet, and travelled 17 city blocks… Do you realize how fast this bullet is travelling? Even if Vader moved at 10 times the speed of a normal human it wouldn’t be enough to block a bullet that has been fired from 1,000 feet away… The bullet has killed Vader BEFORE he has even had time to mentally process the warning from the force.

“”"”"Except for the fact that the Force renders the Chief’s stealth abbilities useless, and even the Spartan Laser won’t be powerful enough to break through Vader’s armour. The Sith Lord would utterly dominate the Spartan in close combat.”"”"”

Really? How so? I’ve seen people dupe Vader just by hiding around a corner before!!! lol I’ve read several of the novels, and several people have successfully alluded him aboard his own station! So now you’re telling me somehow he is going to know who the chief is, identify his location, and nuetralize him, when a bunch of bumbling idiots and slowpoke droids with no weapons escaped him on numerous accounts? Huh????

If you’re claiming that the laser wouldn’t be enough, then you must be privy to some info that I’m not. For you to make a STATEMENT such as this as if it were fact, then you better have said facts to back it up. How much power output is the laser? And how much power is required to pierce Vaders armor? Please answer since you’re making the claims. If you cannot (Provide the point of OFFICIAL references – not best guesses) , then you are simply stating an opinion that is no more relevant than anyone else’s…

“”"”What the crap? First of all, contrary to popular belief, the Force ain’t just there for tricks. It enhances the wielder’s strenght, endurance, speed, agility, and reflexes to a far greater level than the Spartan augmentation proces could ever achieve.”"”"

Really? So you have exact specs on Vaders strength and reaction time, and endurance, and durability, and agility? Please give me your source…. You’re spouting a lot of garbage as if it were fact. That’s not right… Stick to the facts, or don’t even bother getting into a debate as it’s pointless when one is so obviously biased they’ll state anything just to make it seem their favorite character would win… (Sigh)

For your information, MC can lift multi-ton objects with his own strength, has ridiculous endurance, reaction times that make humans seem to be moving in slow motion, the ability to target and hit his objectives with accuracy that seems supernatural, and has an intellect that exceeds genius level…

Vader on the other hand… Hand to hand, unless he’s using the force, has failed to impress. MC routinely fights and defeats oponenets that have several times his strength and superior weaponry… Vader, acts like a bully and all we see him doing is picking on normals, when he’s not getting his arms chopped off by an inexperienced angry adolecent. lol (Ok, low blow, but you catch my drift)

“”"”"First points already disproven. And I’m not even going to reply to that last statement…”"”

Disproven implies you had facts to present. You did NOT I assure you. Come back with facts, and then we can continue the debate. But until then, all you’re doing is spouting opinion. You may be offended by this statement, and fire back with “you are doing the same thing!” Darn right I am. The difference? My post ADMITTED I was giving my opinion.

I await these facts of yours…

“”"”"Vader never really relied that much on his Force powers during battles and duels. He’s a master duellist, and holds that title for a reason.”"”"

And? MC is a master tactical officer who’s brain actually operates far quicker than a normal human brain can. His thought process, decision making ability, strategic processing – EVERYTHING benefits and puts him one step ahead of Vader. If Vader tried to fight MC without the Force, he’d be at a severe disadvantage. You already stated it was the force that aplifies his speed and strength.

Even outside the suit, MC is far beyond human, and would outclass Vader unless he’s using the force.

“”"”Of course his Force powers are allowed, otherwise it would be the same as stripping MC of his shields and armour. But Vader wins in all three areas anyway.”"”"”

I don’t agree with you here. Vader is the lesser of the two physically and strategically. Using the force, if he’s aware of his opponent, I already stated I believed Vader would win. But his downfall would be his arrogance. No arguing that Vader is beyond jsut a little arrogant. If he fails to kill MC, thinking him a normal human in a suit, he’s going to die.

“”"”I’d suggest you look somewhere at the beginning of this long chain of comments for the posts of L-W, AlphaCommando, and Matapojojo, the ‘Factpile Triumvirate’. They know a lot more about this than me, and have most likely already disproven all of your points before you even posted them.”"”

Nah, I’ve already seen what your definition of “disproven” is… lol It’s “agree’s with me” – lol Seems you don’t even understand the simple difference between a fact, and an opinion.

You’ve called down the thunder….now be ready to reap the whirlwind
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“”"”The argument that I am going to make now is similar to a “Game Mechanics” argument. Let’s assume that blasters move at the speed of light. Now let’s say that I want to show a scene of Jedi blocking blasters. If they actually moveed at the speed of light, you would never be able to see it. Wouldn’t that make a great move? Storm troopers aiming at rebels and …..well….killing rebels by aiming their guns at them. Man that’s an awesome fighting scene!”"”"

You make a very good point here, and normally I’d agree with you. But the problem is, that as I’ve mentioned, we’ve seen countless examples of Jedi moving to defend AFTER the beam has been fired.

I just don’t see any proof that the bolts travel at an especially quick pace. Even the turbolasers from ships are pretty darn slow from what I’ve seen.

Once again, learn to use quotations. Unless you highlight relevant points or at least reference MY WRITING myself and others cannot differentiate.

“”"”It is your OPINION that the movies depict correct speeds/power. It is our KNOWLEDGE they do not due to readily available supporting facts.”"”"

LOLOLOLOLOL — Sorry bud. You just threw all credibility out the window with that statement! You do realize of course, that the MOVIES are the original work of the creator of Star Wars right?

There was no EU up to that point. There’s a reason most message boards have to deleniate between SW and the EU….

I cannot believe you’d claim that the books of the EU trump the original work by the creator. Wow. Just WOW! I’m really stunned by such a statement.

Next, I really need you to actually state some facts. Is that too much to ask? Your entire post consists of you trying to slam me, but you cannot even zero in on one particular item. So basically, your post was a flame and nothing else. Please do try harder next time ok?

I’m willing to debate, but first you have to bring a conversation to the table worthy of said debate. You have not. Try again…

Hey, thanks for the civil comments. I can certainly appreciate your perspective here. As I mentioned before, I can agree with you on some of the points. I understand the concept of needing to entertain an audience for example.

But at the same time, everything from the movies to the books keeps in tradition with blaster bolts moving at slower speeds, to the point where Jedi can fend off a dozen plus attackers at once.

This is a lot of mounting evidence that blasters for some odd reason are pretty slow in the SWars reality.

Thanks for making some fine points though. Well played.

“”"“You do realize of course, that the MOVIES are the original work of the creator of Star Wars right? ”

To be honest… I originally felt the same in the Samus vs Boba Fett battle I believe. But once again, the movies were meant to tell the story. That was the most important thing. Determining the actual energy shielding of an AT-AT or the precise velocity of a blaster shot is of no relevance to Lucas unless it impacts the overall quality of the movie. Because of this, statistics from the movie sometimes might be accurate, as I would say from heights of AT-AT’s and canon determination of who wins in a fight, but it isn’t exactly canon for real statistics. Why? Well as I said before and as you somewhat agreed with me on, it would have made an AWFUL movie. I mean.. it would have been atrocious if blasters actually moved at the speed of light or even remotely close. I grasp from others that the EU’s main purpose of in terms of canon is to fill in where the movies were not able to accurately determine.

Determining canon for Star Wars is more complicated than saying EU>Movies or Movies>EU. Sometimes the movies can be used, as Vader’s ability to use the force through the energy shielding of another ship demonstrated the power of the force. But sometimes the EU must trump, in terms of blaster speeds ect.

To generalize this… I think its accurate to say that the movies give a decent qualitative analysis of characters ability, force abilities, and what Jedi/Sith can actually do. However, the quantitative analysis probably is going to require the EU, since saying in a book that a blaster moves at the speed of light doesn’t impact the overall quality of the book as it does in movies.

Once again, I can feel why you would say that the movies trump all, and I certainly felt the same way before. However, the EU can trump the movies at certain times, especially where “movie mechanics” come into play.”"”

You have a very big misconception of what it takes to anger me. You sir, are not even close.

I will deal will you soon enough.

“Seriously, one week; fine, the next; we got like 10 new guys spewing half-assed information and analysis”

Way I see it is just one dude (notice his use of the same name with different email accounts) and all of his information is determined by his opinions on the events of the movies. Somehow, his opinions are supposed to carry more weight than scientific fact, and we should abide by them…

/shrug

VERY interesting analysis. I’ll ask one thing. Please provide proof. I’d like to see one example, JUST ONE example of me claiming my opinion carries more weight than the movie.

In fact, aren’t you guys in another thread telling me that you discount certain events within the MOVIE because it’s just there to “help connect with the audience? lol Hmmm…. Sounds like double standards to me. I can post the direct comments if you like.

See, unlike you, I provide facts to back up what I say. I have yet to see you do the same. Thus is the way of the rabid fanboy I suppose.

“”"”Seriously, one week; fine, the next; we got like 10 new guys spewing half-assed information and analysis”

Way I see it is just one dude (notice his use of the same name with different email accounts) and all of his information is determined by his opinions on the events of the movies. Somehow, his opinions are supposed to carry more weight than scientific fact, and we should abide by them…”"”"

I see you ignored the challenge. That’s the third time you’ve failed to step up and answer the very basic challenge. Come on now Matapiojo – Back up your claim and answer my simple question.

“”"See, unlike you, I provide facts to back up what I say. I have yet to see you do the same. Thus is the way of the rabid fanboy I suppose.”

That made me laugh. It trully did, and I thank you for that.”"”"

Uh, you do realize that I was referencing your earlier posts right? You’ve been making wild claim after wild claim of me ignoring “facts” movies, and more. Each time I have asked you to post but ONE true example of me throwing something out the window as you claim.

You have not done so. I can only assume it is because you cannot. I have never once touted my own opinions over “scientific fact.” Nor movies… But I will wait here patiently for you to post these examples that you claim are overflowing. Heck, try for five! lol

Have a great one Mata! I really do wish you the best. Seem like such a pleasant individual and all.

“”"”Well lets see how it played out to understand why I dont even deem it worth my while. The simple fact is that you fail at both reading comprehension and competitive argumenting.

Me (post 629) – “Somehow, his opinions are supposed to carry more weight than scientific fact”

You (post 631) – “I’d like to see one example, JUST ONE example of me claiming my opinion carries more weight than the movie.”

You (post 633) – “I see you ignored the challenge.””"”"”

“”"why is this even an issue worthy of argument?”"”

Simple. You don’t know the circumstances of the battle. Have you ever been in a real fight? Judging from the way you speak, I’m guessing not. Anyone who foolishly believes that comparing a fact sheet is sufficient to determine the winner is delusional.

You claim to be a history buff. Mind telling me how America won its independance with inferior resources, fewer men, inferior weaponry, inferior training, etc?

The mere thought of a a rag tag group of men standing up to royalty was laughable at best… They won. Why? How? Because there’s a lot more to consider than just who has more power.

- Where does the fight take place?
- Is Vader preoccupied?
- Is Vader aware of his presence?
- Who is more determined?
- Since MC is not from this universe, will Vader know he is there? (The EU you love so much suggests the answer is no)
- Is MC setting Vader up? (He is a strategic genius that tends to out-think his opponent – Brain opperates at a higher level)

These are all factors to consider. If MC knows Vader is so powerful, is he really just going to stride in and attempt to duke it out?

I’m also questioning your intent to argue this, as I’ve already stated 3 times now that in a singular one on one with Vader using the force, that I already believe Vader would be the victor. But somehow, you seem to be so upset that anyone would dare to suggest that there are scenarios for MC to be the victor??? Kind of weird to be honest…

CPT you hit the nail on the head. That was my point. That there’s a thousand and one scenarios that can effect the outcome, and a good stregist will use such unknowns to his advantage.

While everyone is commenting on Vader and his outrageous power in the EU, they also fail to mention that in the same EU, he was almost killed by a TUSCAN RAIDER! LOL

Good thing someone was there to save his butt… My point being that in battle situations, things are rarely so cut and dry. With MC being OUTSIDE (most likely) Vaders ability to sense his presence, or at least to get inside his head, since he’s from another universe, I think that this is what would give MC a great opp to snipe him.

Is this a likely sceanrio? Who knows. No real sceanrio was outlined. But this is definitely a possibility. I stand by my original assesment that in a straight up battle with Vader wielding the force, Vader obviously wins. In a more combat oriented scenario with no head to head battl lines drawn, Chief has a decent chance to take him out.

Alpha,

Not really. I’m not trying to divert, simply better explain my perspective. I’ve been mystified as to the overwhelming response to just one simple opinion, almost as if many cannot accept a single scenario where Vader loses. (But I do see what you’re saying about what’s typical, and what’s easier. But I don’t analyze just the surface, I prefer to do a bit more digging)

But I like to analyze situations quite a bit deeper then the average individual. I see this matchup from multiple perspectives and can see many scenarios where each combatant has specific advantages. Taking into consideration the MC’s ability to analyze, adapt, and defeat opponents who have him outgunned, and seemingly over-matched, I felt that this was the right thing to take into consideration, even if it’s not the norm. With the two facing eachother and Vader using the force, yes, it would be lopsided in Vaders favor with next to no hope for MC.

But that’s boring. I think it’s more fun to analyze different battle scenarios. Kind of like a paintball game. How fun is it to just stand there facing the other team popping off shots? Things get more interesting when forts, terrain, and objectives are tossed into the mix. These are the conditions where MC shines, and gives him at least a running chance.

Can you see where I’m coming from?

Exactly, these are hypothetical matches that function only as paper fights, comparing strengths, abilities and known weaknesses to create a reliable outcome or prediction.

Alpha has already mentioned an example. A ten year old girl versus a seven foot Goliath and professional wrestler with the muscle mass to topple Schwarzenegger. Who would be victorious? Well of course the girl could produce a shard of glass and strike an artery, she could even land a kick to the crotch and stun him; these are narrative victories, dependent on an outcome that could not be initially predicted from the onset due to the lack of verified data. But in a hypothetical scenario in which you have 200lbs of muscle and a little girl, the seven foot Goliath will break the little girl each time.

This is basic conventional science, failing to create an actual canonical scenario (No one here works for Lucasfilms Ltd.), you postulate the most reliable outcome using the evidence present.

Vader, being the only force wielder in this match, has no opposition to compare. Master Chief, having no force protection is at a severe and fatal disadvantage,

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“You claim to be a history buff. Mind telling me how America won its independance with inferior resources, fewer men, inferior weaponry, inferior training, etc?”

You should probably cease your vague and inaccurate historical references since you seem to be highly misinformed on the subject.

The thirteen Colonies actually possessed a Regular standing Army larger than that of the British Expeditionary Forces present, equipped with Rifles and Artillery that matched their British equivalents. Admittedly Washington squandered his forces during the invasion of Canada, but even after the British forces repelled them from Commonwealth territory, his Army was still larger and far more well equipped than the mere two thousand British Troops deployed on American soil.

This does not take into account the fact that France, Spain and the Dutch bolstered American supplies with over two million pounds worth of goods within a few months. In fact 90% of the gunpowder supplies to the American Army was through the French, allowing American industry to focus on supplying the armies, rather than production itself.

Even when the two thousand regular BEF managed to bolster their numbers with around 60,000 loyalist militia, Washington countered with a 250,000 strong militia force, including the support of two separate Sioux tribes and tens of thousands of French, German and Spanish professional mercenaries, veterans of larger European conflicts.

During the war the Americans benefited greatly from international assistance. In addition, Britain had significant military disadvantages. Distance was a major problem: most troops and supplies had to be shipped across the Atlantic Ocean. The British usually had logistical problems whenever they operated away from port cities, while the Americans had local sources of manpower and food and were more familiar with (and acclimated to) the territory. Additionally, ocean travel meant that British communications were always about two months out of date: by the time British generals in America received their orders from London, the military situation had usually changed.

When France and Spain allied with the Americans, the war was turned into a global conflict and Britain had to maintain military resources, particularly naval resources, in Europe to protect against attack. If France and Spain had remained outside the war, then Britain may have been able to send a large military presence to America.

I’m sorry, but where did you garner your information from? Your assessment was utterly wrong in both a historical, hypothetical and theoretical context.

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P.S.

I’ve not long ago received two doses of Procaine to the face, so I apologize for any spelling and grammatical mistakes or bouts of delirium I may have displayed in this post.

“”"You should probably cease your vague and inaccurate historical references since you seem to be highly misinformed on the subject.”"

You sure about that L-W? You are assuming much. I’m quite well versed in the RW era, to the point where I see how you glossed over some very important facts that add weight to my point:

- You mention the 250,000 that served for America, but you fail to mention that supplies and powder were in such shortage, that never did the number armed exceed 90,000.

- You also failed to mention that another huge chunk of that number were just volunteers that refused to even travel, so they either stayed behind, or battles had to be cancelled, or re-planned to minimize travel just to get them to tag along! (Not quite what I’d consider a soldier)

- Much of the American army had only hours, or days of training

- Regular army was not put in place until June of 75′ IIRC (Under Washington)

- You mentioned assistance that America received, but then failed to mention that Britain received assistance from other nations as well

The British army on the other hand while having technically fewer ‘men’ on land, had far superior training, equipment, and were supported by Loyalists, and even German states. (An additional 30,000 from German states)

I think my point was well made. Simply that even at a disadvantage, victories do happen. I never once claimed Britain didn’t have challenges of their own. Far from it. But the American army was laughable in comparison by most accounts.

But fighting spirit and making good use of the few advantages they did have helped close the gap.

Then why do you make only vague connotations to such claims? Surely if you are going to use them as examples it would be best to cite something that was at least accurate.

1) Which is why I referred to the 250,000 as militia (Where did I refer to them as regulars?), who often procured firearms from private residences, Loyalists, raided British stores and even from their own collections. Supplies were never procured or looted from the Regular Army until French logistical efforts (And bankrupted itself) lengthened to supply an additional two million pounds at the end of the first year of combat.

2) Which is why I refer to them as Militia. The purpose of any Partisan defense in any nation is to provide a local harrying force to supplant the role of a Regular Garrison, an irregular military force formed to oppose control of an area by a foreign power or by an army of occupation. Not only is it a logistical nightmare to coordinate the efforts of any Partisan unit via Military protocol, it goes against the logic of the Partisan ideologue to commence a large scale mobilization.

In-depth defense is the key, thus local resolutions and conflicts takes prescience. Any General worth his weight should know this.

3) Although the initial stages of conflict saw poorly trained minutemen opposing well trained British Regulars and veterans, it would be a fallacy to assume that the Continental Army was untrained, impotent and unprepared. In fact by the latter half of 1775 (Under a scrupulous three year training and enlistment period – In fact this was the birth period of the continental Marines), Washington had three paid and professionally trained regiments (Outnumbering the entire British presence) to invade Canada with.

In fact, before any notable British escalation had occurred, General Washington had managed (under the Eighty-eight battalion resolution) to put together a professional Army numbering up to sixteen Battalions. They may never matched British forces in terms of Veteran status, but the standing and paid Regulars of the Colonial Army were hardly the rag-tag group of Militia units that popular history enjoys depicting.

4) Total war and full British deployment did not break out until 1778.

5) I did mention British assistance by compounding a high estimation of British Loyalists (Served under the British Crown), notice how I mention:

“Even when the two thousand regular BEF managed to bolster their numbers with around 60,000 loyalist militia”

No more than ten thousand Loyalist Colonists took up Arms during the entire war, Britain received assistance of Landgraviate of Hessen-Kassel, Brunswick and Waldeck; three German states of sovereign principality in the German Empire and German Confederation.

Neither one of these states had any major Naval strength of projection even compare able to the British, Spanish,

Apologies for the accidental posting, disregard post #649 in lieu of post #650.

Oh and L-W is a saddo

after playing halo games and watching star wars movies I cant see a hope in hells chance for the chief

I am only going to add one comment too this. It will be what i have learned from both Star Wars and Halo. I have seen some comments that do disprove a few of my minor points, and if any other points are disproved, I will not make up excuses. I love the MC and he is great. I however believe that he would have a tough time winning this one.

Master Chief is very strong. Much stronger than in the game. He can survive allot, this is curtain. He is a strategic master, and very fast thinking and doing.

I must say a few other things though.

I find it funny that some people say that the force would not work on the MC because he is not from the star wars universe. Lets say that its the same universe. Of course the time period is different and darth vader is in a galaxy far far away. There is nothing to say that the halo universe doesn’t have the force, just because you don’t see it. The users of the force in the SW universe were special. There weren’t people in the galaxy Halo takes place in that could use the force, that doesn’t mean it’s not there. I know this wont matter to some people, but if you believe what the Bible says, than you have to come to grips with that idea that even though you don’t see miracles any more doesn’t mean God doesn’t exist, but you must also believe that they did happen. Both the Halo and SW story happen in our universe if you think about it. Just at different times and places. So, yes, the force is just as much an asset to darth Vader as anything the MC has.

Another thing i must bring up which i know is going to get attacked is technology levels. Many MC fans will refuse to believe that Darth Vader has stronger armour. But excluding the covenant, the MC doesn’t have access to technology anywhere near that which DV has. Consider that DV lives in a galaxy that a ton of planets are colonized and they have developed energy weapons to a very big extent. While the human race has just developed their first energy weapon. Is it to impossible to believe that if this is the case, that the majority of technology is also more advanced in the SW universe? Imagine like a time line… Cave men, hunter-gatherers, intelligent enough to form stable settlements, governments formed, ball and muskets, electricity, nuclear power, space exploration (we are here), space colonization, contacting other living extraterrestrial beings (Halo), Energy weapons, galactic domination (covenant) (Star wars).
I know that it’s not a perfect time line, but i think it shows that the SW galaxy has already experienced the period of expansion that the galaxy of Halo is experiencing now. So I shouldn’t be to hard to believe that MC’s armour is outdated. No offence.

The force is mental. It is stronger if you use your hand as a guide but it is entirely mental. Darth vader can use the force to detect people. He did this when Luke wasn’t even on the same mass as he was, and both of them knew the other was there. I’m not going to go so far as to say, he can use this to deflect bullets, but if MC never fires, DV doesn’t have to deflect anything. If you remember in the moveis, DV killed some of his officers (not across the screen) but who he could not point directly towards, and who could be far away.

Darth Vaders lightsaber could do damage to MC’s energy shield. Obviously because otherwise weapons like the spartan laser canon (which is also an energy weapon) would have no effect on him. The spartan lazer cannon could aslo be blocked by lightsaber.

Luck and being the chosen one have nothing to do with it. Everything happens for a reason, and if that’s the case this fight wouldn’t take place until after those reasons are accomplished. (yes DV died after he accomplished his, which was to kill the emperor) But obviously since they didn’t exist in the same time period, their meeting each other is not a coincidence which in my opinion kind of means that luck or being the chosen one is kind of obsolete. (i could have worded that better but I’m having trouble finding the right phrases)

Plasma grenades would be MC’s worst enemy. these wont even reach their mark. DV could (not saying would, because that word states definite, which means you can’t be argued against, which is not true, making the comment that much more annoying regarding something that has chance in it such as combat)
stop the grenade with the force in mid air, and throw it back. This can (not will) be done with any bullet as well.

As of energy bolts from those kind of guns, they can be absorbed using the force. Yoda did t with force lighting. I’m not sure if DV knew how to do this but maybe.

MC is fast, but can’t move if DV picks him up with the force. If it is possible to bring down an entire star destroyer, than its should not be a hassle to pick up a Spartan 2.

A misconception about blocking bullets is that the jedi or sith, move after the bullet has been fired. Using the force they already know where it’s going t hit. this being the case DV would actually move before the shot was fired, as yes that accounts for quick changes in plan. He does not read minds to block bullets, he can just calculate where it’s gonna hit.

As for the grav hammer. it is a physical object and could be stopped with the force.

DV is known as an ace pilot in space combat. I truly don’t know if there is any way to compare the two, but i just was bringing that point up. And yes, i acknowledge that he was beaten by han solo in the first movie.

I personally believe that there are certain things that do and don’t belong to each character. These extras might need to be excluded, but it of course is not up to me. Darth Vader has a black suit, a light sabre and the force (with his name of it, if you will) that he did not steal or take from another fight or enemy. of course we could include a tie fighter but that might be too much, unless we are participating in space battles. Whoever the Master Chief actually steals most of his weapons from his former enemies. So if you only include all UNSC weapons it might be more correct. of course some might count it as his style to use his enemies weapons. If that’s the case, he can use anything he can get off of Darth Vader.

I have to say it’s funny that no one brought up mind trick. Just saying. No other opinion there.

In the second movie of the original Star Wars, Darth Vader pulled the gun out of Han Solo’s hand at Cloud city. This means that if DV could get the MC to stand still,(maybe by making him float or something, he could pull all his weapons away from him) Any comments?

One thing i must say is that there are different versions of Darth Vader. When i say that i mean that in different books, movies, and games he id depicted differently. All i can say about that is It is not right t automatically assume that the stronger one is cannon, yet people on bothe sides of the field have done so. In the books MC is stronger that in the game. But the books (unless im wrong, if i am sorry for the mistake) weren’t written by the people who made he official game. So you cannot say that one is cannon and say that the Vader from the movie who is weaker that the Vaders from other books and games is the cannon one just because the movie was made by the maker of star wars. according to data I’ve seen the books of one series is just as cannon as the books from the other. So if you are judging the MC by the BOOK, you should do the same for DV.

I have no dbt that the MC would have any easier time up close if DV cant get to his light sabre fast enough. (don’t forget the energy sword is covenant and back from SW on the time line) But I do find it difficult for the MC to get close.

I love both these guys. And I honestly did my best to keep bias out of this. Congrats to whoever wins. Just wanted to show my views. I hope I brought up something to consider, even if it doesn’t help either way. Good luck to both.

The chiefs equipment is limited to that of UNSC so he would have say a magnum (maybe 2), an assault or battle rifle and a couple of fragmentation grenades. With that being said Darth vader comes equipped with a lightsaber which doesnt really support his side but still. The force is a large advantage for vader as his ability to sense and block (either with the force or lightsaber) the bullets MC shoots at him. If for some reason vader let the cheif run and get to a nice distance to snipe him (if he had a sniper rifle at all) vader would once again sence the bullets and deflect them. But back to the fight as i doubt Vader would have let him run anyway, MC once again pulls a gravity hammer out of nowhere and tries to hit Vader, Vader with his lighting reflexes makes a force push (force colliding with gravity= a large blow) which sends them both flying and landing quite far away. Chief sees the opporunity and gets out his sniper in at attempt to get Vader before he recovers from the blow. Vader gets up and saber throws whilst blocking bullets with the force. I wont deny that the chief also has lightning reflexes so he manages to dive out of the way in time. Darth by this time is about 10 metres away from the chief and saber throws again this time taking the end of of the chiefs sniper and forcing him to switch to his assault rifle. As the chief is about to reach for his rifle he is pulled from the ground and looses his breath as Vader chokes him. The chief in a last ditch effort to win pulls a sticky grenade out of nowhere and throws it at Vader. Vader using his free hand forces it back to the Chief in mid air and it sticks to MCs leg. The chief now powerless to do anything in time is blown away by the grenade dead on the ground. Vader taking slight damage from the grenade (due to the fact Vader and MC were close when it blew) is also knocked to the ground but not damaged too much from the blow.

Winner= Darth Vader

lets see Vader block dual smgs , your average terrorist could kill Darth Vader his reflexes can not be that fast. i actually think their was once a myth busters on this and it was false he can not block a bullet.or even try to block a spartan laser because his reflexes are not faster than the speed of light.not only this but vader shows poor sword skills in the movies he only uses slow power attacks . vader is not as powerful as you think . my vote is for mc

vader can not block a spartan laser his reflexes are not faster than light. vader in my opinion is a pathetic jedi he is slow.oh yeah and one question how does a hutt rise to power becuz like he is just a pathetic fatass, why do people listen to him.becuz with animals like wolves you never see a fatass alpha male eating all the food. you always see a strong, large, fit leader who has influence on other because of his ferocity and large stature. can someone explain to me why hutts are so “powerful”?

@ ociee117

You do realize that Vader has already won right?

I know this fight already has a winner, but I just want to give my input on why Vader would own the Master Chief’s ass.
First of all Darth Vader is rumored to be known as the “chosen one”, and he was, it said that he would destroy the Sith, they were temporarily destroyed when he threw the Emperor down the shaft that led to the power core of the Death Star (I’m not sure that it was the power core, but it couldn’t have been the power generator). Secondly, he has the force, the force binds all living creatures in the Galaxy (possibly the Universe I’m not sure) and this allows the Jedi and the Sith to sense all living creatures around them (except for the Yuuzhan Vong), in an extremely wide radius, so sniping would not work, Vader would already be aware of his presence.
Also Vader as the advantage in close combat, no weapons besides a light-saber can cut through his armor, it is designed to completely laser-bolt proof (same with plasma based weaponry). Even simple armor like that of a Storm trooper, can easily take bullets, bullets would just bounce off their armor, so forget about a energy sword being any use in close combat against Vader. This fight is hands down Vader.

Master chief: Spawns a Hornet and blows the fuck outta darth vader.
Darth Vader: Dies?

That’s it, L-W, I am definitely going to be you when I grow up.

Pardon my error, I forgot to put a “the” in the first sentence before “damn”. And I forgot to put my signature.
Keep it kool. That is all.:)

i dont care what you say FatJesus is better then both of them pricks

FatJesus out

K a… the two main people who are arguing it has becoma a Star Wars fact/insult competition so go back to the main subject.

I’ve seen SW movies, remember in empire strikes back when vader force chokes the guy In the big walker without even being in the same room , yea… if he looks at you you die, I love halo but MC gets beaten this 1

“If Darth trys to force choke MC it would just do nothing to the neck armor, and then chief rips Darths head off in milliseconds or less. So MC WINS!!”

What are you talking about? are you aware that Vader has already won.

oh and some info, force choke consticts the windpipe armor wouldnt matter, and even if it did a brute has choked MC before and Vader has crushed entire AT-STs with little more then a jesture.

“We already know that Vader can use the force as a form of precognition to read every movement Master Chief will make (Force sense), we already know that he can alter his opponents synaptic relays so that Master Chief will not even be able to recognize Vader in the environment (Force manipulation) and we’re all aware that Vader can use the force to crush and rupture any organ he so chooses, including his heart, lungs and brain (Force crush).

Vader has been witnessed lifting Tanks and crushing them like Aluminum cans, generating a force bubble so powerful it could deflect artillery rounds and even lift and toss an army of AT-AT walkers through a hanger deck.

Have we descended so greatly as a collective that we’re arguing against a combatant who can tear his opponents Brain clean from his Spinal Cord, or literally just implode the Chief?

The man is capable of flying at near supersonic speeds, outrunning land vehicles, leaping at great distances, turning the Chief into a vegetable or just not allowing himself to be seen by his opponent (He could literally stand in front of him without being noticed). The list of force applications goes on and on, from creating multiple doppelgangers, turning invisible, seeing through the eyes of the Chief, cause him to experience unspeakable horrors, force him to turn his own weapons against himself or just use a mind control trick to force Master Chief into a pitfall or trap.”

-L-W

this is why MC loses.

because they believe MC WILLZ PWNZ VADAR WIT 1 SOTZ.

or bull shit like

DA NECK ARMORZ PROTECT FROM TEH FORCE POWRZ

average halo fanboy shit.

i agree, Darth Vader would get him in a choke but MC would stick a plasma grenade on him
they both die

Winner: tie

“ii agree, Darth Vader would get him in a choke but MC would stick a plasma grenade on him
they both die

Winner: tie”

or Darth Vader uses the force to shove the grenade down MC’s throat…

darth vader sensed his adversary-MC-and decided to end this

but before considering whether to skewer him or slice him in half MC jumped out from the cover and fired the now fully charged (as some undesirables put it) the splazor at the sith lord.

The beam hit-but alas not even a scratch on the sith lord’s armour!
but the chief had one last trick up his moulded sleeve! a plasma grenade-he threw it with all his spartan might and it sailed towards lord Vader.

But vader merely waved at the glowing ball of plasma and metal. And as if by magic it stopped and flung itself back towards the chief landing on the super soldiers armoured head.

“All to easy” was all the Sith said, just before the chief sucummed to the fatal explosion.

I’d like to thank the factpilers for giving me ideas foir the match ending, though i’m sure there is a more suitable one-i’m just throwing things out there