Suggested by Envoy
For this match MC only has his pistols. He’s got 16 clips to reload. Scene starts just like the picture shows – he’s getting rushed and has a 1 mile sprint to reach a warthog with a Guass Cannon + a skilled driver. From that point they have a 10 mile drive to the Landing Zone which is currently occupied by 500 more zombies.
How would this play out?





June 12, 2010
#1
@alfieboi13
‘ Would you care to explain?’
Yes I would.
‘you said in comment 89:
‘Obviously one hit from a Tank would send the Warthog flying’
then in comment 99:
‘Once getting to the Gauss, he’d be practicaly invenciable’
When I said ‘Obviously one hit from a Tank would send the Warthog flying’ that is what would happen if the Warthog was a stationary target. Obviously the dirver wont stop to have a view of the surrondings and let a Tank sneak up on him.
‘so, a tank can kill them in one and’
Thats if he got a very lucky hit with a rock/concrete or swiped th ‘Hog’ as it drove past.
‘as jackson said, as hunter can kill the driver with ease and’
No, not with ease. The Warthog would be traveling at around 70MPH, the Hunter will have too time it right, get a grip on the front of the Warthog, reach over the top of the windscreen and kill the driver. Like I’ve said, many times, the driver will try to toss the Hunter off the front of the ‘Hog’ where the Hunter will concentrate more on staying on than killing the driver. If he was’nt flung off, the driver or the Chief would kill him useing small armss fire.
‘as i said, a boomer can make them slow down or crash.’
Did you see the description of the driver? It had the word ‘Skilled’ describing him. He would’nt run over the Boomer. He’d go around it. That or John would have bloon it too shreads with the Gauss.
June 12, 2010
#2
@CRACKSHOT99
‘When I said ‘Obviously one hit from a Tank would send the Warthog flying’ that is what would happen if the Warthog was a stationary target. Obviously the dirver wont stop to have a view of the surrondings and let a Tank sneak up on him.’
if the tank wouldn’t get him, he could just as easily throw a rock which might hit him and break the warthog.
‘as jackson said, as hunter can kill the driver with ease and’
‘No, not with ease. The Warthog would be traveling at around 70MPH, the Hunter will have too time it right’
the computer infected ,when viewed in first person, aimer never goes of a target once they have locked on so a hunter does have perfect timing.
‘Like I’ve said, many times, the driver will try to toss the Hunter off the front of the ‘Hog’ where the Hunter will concentrate more on staying on than killing the driver. If he was’nt flung off, the driver or the Chief would kill him useing small armss fire.’
if a mc did kill the hunter, the driver would lose his vision to drive, causing him to crash and hunter would anyway probably smash throught the window and attempt to bite the drivers vain on their neck which would kill him instantly (this is what he tries in the game, but fails every time) before mc could shoot him as small arms are pretty weak against hunter.
June 12, 2010
#3
@alfieboi13
‘if the tank wouldn’t get him, he could just as easily throw a rock which might hit him and break the warthog.’
Yes, he could throw a rock, what has a 98% chance of missing the fast moving Warthog. And thats if John did’nt see the Tank and killed him with the Gauss.
‘the computer infected ,when viewed in first person, aimer never goes of a target once they have locked on so a hunter does have perfect timing.’
Firstly, in real life, they would’nt be controlled by a computor AI. Secondly, computor AI Hunters keep there aimer on the choosen Survivor but can easily be counted by moving, shooting or meleeing it in mide pounce. Thirdly, If the Hunter did punce at the right time, it would probably land face first into the windscreen and then get flying over the top.
‘if a mc did kill the hunter, the driver would lose his vision to drive, causing him to crash and hunter would anyway probably smash throught the window and attempt to bite the drivers vain on their neck which would kill him instantly (this is what he tries in the game, but fails every time)’
Why would the driver lose his sight? He would still be able to see, just not able to see where hes driving, if thats what you mean. Anyway, if the Hunter did smash through the windscreen he would lose his best grip off the car and probably get flung off. If he somehow stayed on, the driver would’nt sit there and let him bite him and even if the Hunter got control over his arms, he’d have to lean in, move his neck as his armour would cover it and in this position its very easy to press on the brake making the Hunter go flying off the front of the ‘Hog’ leaving the driver and Warthog intact.
‘before mc could shoot him as small arms are pretty weak against hunter.’
No. the Left 4 Dead pistol, not the magnum, is pretty weak. And M6G, the pistol used in Halo 3, would tear apart the Hunter with its 12.7mm x 40mm M225 Semi-Armor-Piercing High-Explosive rounds, especially in the face leaving an infected body on the front off the car with its blood gushing out of its wounds.
June 12, 2010
#4
“Even if the Hunter did stick his claws in, the driver would try to shake him off. This would make it hard for the Hunter to take a swip at the driver as its trying to focus on staying on the windscreen which by then either the driver would have produced a fire arm of some sort or MC would of drawn his M6 and shot the Hunter off.”
The Hunter has to swipe his hand, the marine has to move the Warthog side to side while reaching for his weapon. The Hunter will kill faster.
“Game wise, the Charger only lives you up and throws you back down unless in a confined place i.e a room, toliet etc. And if the Left 4 Dead pistol does’nt kill a Common in one, what I’ve found it does, a M6G’s 12.7mm x 40mm M225 Semi-Armor-Piercing High-Explosive/.50 Magnum Caliber Rounds would in one.”
On realism (which you can probrably assume from the title is the real infection) it takes around 5 shots to kill the commons. Besides, the commons are only there to pin John down after a special infected has taken him. The Charger, Smoker etc. take multiple rounds from an M76 equipped with explosive ammo.
“Running a mile would’nt be hard for John. Running it with infected humans, Commons, that are slower than him and can only hit him from the sides and front, still easy. Running with Special Infected harder but sill probably achievable.”
A Smoker, easily consealable in a crop field, can grab John by the foot with it’s toungue.
We also had our Charger discussion a while ago plus the Tank which can match John in strength.
“Drivning 5 miles to the LZ on a Gauss mounted Warthog with a skilled driver, quite easy. Clearing out 500+ Commons with a fully operational Pelican, a Gauss ‘Hog’ and a driver, not to difficult.”
Except with my Hunter scenario which could quite easily happen.
“The only hard bit I see is getting to the Warthog. Jockey would be useless as he’d jump onto John, get imidiently thrown off and then killed. Boomer and Spitter, would just annoy John. Hunter and Smoker could maybe slow him up a bit and make him actually have to kill them instead of leaving them behind. A Witch could only be dangerous if she was alerted and she went for the gaps inbetween John’s armour or his visor, I dont know if the Witch coulld penetrate either of them. Biggest threats are Chargers and Tanks. As its set in a crop field, hes sight is limited to inbetween the crops and his motion tracker. If a Charger did come charging at him, he’d quite easily evade it and carry on.”
As we discussed earlier, it will be hard for John to free himself from a Charger before he dies of brain damage. All the infected can hide easily in one mile of crops.
“Once getting to the Gauss, he’d be practicaly invenciable as they’d get to the LZ in around 4.285 minutes if they’re traveling at around 70MPH.”
Where are you gettin these calculations from ?
You didn’t answer me earlier about closing one mile in 51.4 seconds.
“Once arriving at the LZ, im guessing they’ll be a pilot and possiably a crew holding off the Infected. The Pelicans chin-mounted auto-cannon, what fies 70mm caliber shells, should be more than enough to cover the Cheif until he gets into the cargo hold. If thinks got a bit harder, the pilot would use its ANVIL-II ASM Pods to kill Tanks or Chargers.”
It isn’t really MC VS Left 4 Dead if John gets the help of a fully armed pelican, a squad of marines and a skilled driver.
Would be cooler if MC had to go 10 miles on the Warthog, kill 500 zombies, start a finale and hold out until the Pelicans arrival.
June 12, 2010
#5
@CRACKSHOT99
‘Yes, he could throw a rock, what has a 98% chance of missing the fast moving Warthog. And thats if John did’nt see the Tank and killed him with the Gauss’
Warthogs in most halo videos i’ve seen travel in a straaight line so i’d say he has about a 40% chance of missing.
‘ if the Hunter did smash through the windscreen he would lose his best grip off the car and probably get flung off’
one hand smashing the window, one hand holding onto the windscreen. not so hard…
‘ the driver would’nt sit there and let him bite him ‘
so the driver would dogde him. Now, i don’t know about you, but if your driving and are going from side to side, it is pretty hard.
‘the pistol used in Halo 3, would tear apart the Hunter’
by the time mc shoots him in the head, he will have already bit the driver and killed him.
‘It had the word ‘Skilled’ describing him’
if it is a ‘skilled’ driver like the AI from halo campain, he’s not that good. the AI driver in campain has caused me to die countless times in halo.
June 12, 2010
#6
Dude even if chief made it to the warthog smoker could just pull him off of the gauss easy. Pull him off of a warthog, spitter spits below him, boomer pukes on him, then the charger picks him up and bashes him into the ground for a few minutes, byebye chief.
June 12, 2010
#7
I don’t see how Mc would have any trouble at all with any of the infected, considering he had to go into a flood hive, and came out un harmed.
Also flood combat forms are far more deadlier than anything the left 4 dead infected can throw at John.
Flood combat forms are easily capable of flinging a 200 pound man across a room with a single whip.
http://cdn1.gamepro.com/article_img/gamepro/62648-4.jpg
What the hell could the hunter or smoker hope to do ?
The flood are easily capable of scaling entire buildings as indicated in halo 2 and they’re known for being able to have ridiculously high jumps, longer and higher than the hunter could ever hope.
The flood also have pure forms, all of which are capable of out matching the infected.
The charger will hardly be a problem against mc, will Mc just stand there and let the charger run at him, when MC could simply run faster ?
And the Tank is able to be outran by healthy survivors, Mc is much faster than any human, the tank could never hope to hit him, considering that M could use his agility and equal strength against the tank and charger.
“A Smoker, easily consealable in a crop field, can grab John by the foot with it’s toungue.”
Mc’s suit has thermal, as shown in halo the fall of reach and here :
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/MJOLNIR_Powered_Assault_Armor/Mark_VI#Armor_Components
The smoker’s tongue won’t be able to do anything to MC, Mc is too heavy for the smoker, and a tug from Mc’s leg can easily rip the tongue.
“As we discussed earlier, it will be hard for John to free himself from a Charger before he dies of brain damage. All the infected can hide easily in one mile of crops.”
So…you’re telling me that the charger is more than easily capable of lifting 1000 pounds, of a trashing super soldier ?
Also how is mc going to sustain brain damage from that, when he has survived falling 2 kilometers, being blown through a wall, and the fact that his suit already can heal his injuries.
His bones are also hardened, and for the time that it actually takes to kill a regular human, what makes you think that the charger won’t get tired of trying to lift 1000 pounds constantly, that seemingly won’t die.
June 12, 2010
#8
“when he has survived falling 2 kilometers”
Why does everybody bring this up? At least you didn’t say “he fell from orbit”, He activated the gel layers, and moved all his shields to the first spot of impact. THAT is how he survived falling two kilometers.
June 12, 2010
#9
“Dude even if chief made it to the warthog smoker could just pull him off of the gauss easy. Pull him off of a warthog, spitter spits below him, boomer pukes on him, then the charger picks him up and bashes him into the ground for a few minutes, byebye chief.”
STFU
Mc’s armor would be resistant to the spitter’s attack, his suit is composed of titanium. And what the smoker will be capable of pulling a half ton, Mc can simply just pull it off.
If anything, the smoker would be the one being dragged along by the warthog.
June 12, 2010
#10
“Why does everybody bring this up? At least you didn’t say “he fell from orbit”, He activated the gel layers, and moved all his shields to the first spot of impact. THAT is how he survived falling two kilometers.”
If you did you’re damn research, you’d know that his suit automatically does this.
June 12, 2010
#11
@orpheus12
‘I don’t see how Mc would have any trouble at all with any of the infected, considering he had to go into a flood hive, and came out un harmed’
let me guess, a halo fanboy who thinks anthink in halo is unbeatable. have you ever played left 4 dead? i think not becase if you have then you’d know the flod would be owned by the l4d infected.
June 12, 2010
#12
“Mc’s armor would be resistant to the spitter’s attack, his suit is composed of titanium. And what the smoker will be capable of pulling a half ton, Mc can simply just pull it off.
If anything, the smoker would be the one being dragged along by the warthog.”
ummm…. buddy laws of physics? If the warthog is going seventy miles an hour, a slight tug, could pull the chief off the damn thing.
June 12, 2010
#13
@Jackson
‘The Hunter has to swipe his hand, the marine has to move the Warthog side to side while reaching for his weapon. The Hunter will kill faster.’
The Hunter would have too raise hes hand over the windscreen and swipe. The driver will already have hes hand on the wheel and will have too move it from left to right. Even thoe the Hunters fast, the driver would still only have to move the wheel and then the Hunter would swing wild thanks to the driver and him swaying the ‘Hog’.
‘On realism (which you can probrably assume from the title is the real infection) it takes around 5 shots to kill the commons. Besides, the commons are only there to pin John down after a special infected has taken him. The Charger, Smoker etc. take multiple rounds from an M76 equipped with explosive ammo.’
Who said he’ll be shooting the Specials? He knows highly outnumbered so he’ll try to get to the Warthog as quick as possiable so he’ll only target threats infront or too his sides. Also, Johns aiming is extreamly incrediable so he could easily place some headshoots to quickly dispatch any threats.
‘A Smoker, easily consealable in a crop field, can grab John by the foot with it’s toungue.
We also had our Charger discussion a while ago plus the Tank which can match John in strength.’
A Smoker would’nt do that much part from tripping up John were he’ll either drag the Smoker along with him, break the tounge or kill the Smoker. Chargers he’d notice on his motion tracker and, even for the Survivors, easily dodge the Charger. Tank he could outrun or go around so aprt from a few rocks, where I dont know where he’d get them from as where in a crop field, the Tank would’nt be alot of a threat.
‘As we discussed earlier, it will be hard for John to free himself from a Charger before he dies of brain damage. All the infected can hide easily in one mile of crops.’
Thats IF he got caught by the Charger. Like before, hes motion tracker would alert him of a Charger was going for him where he’d easily doge it.
‘Where are you gettin these calculations from ?
You didn’t answer me earlier about closing one mile in 51.4 seconds.’
To get to the LZ in little under 5 minutes, first, 5 is one 14th of 70. So you divide 60 minutes by 14 and you end up with 4.285 minutes.
‘It isn’t really MC VS Left 4 Dead if John gets the help of a fully armed pelican, a squad of marines and a skilled driver.
Would be cooler if MC had to go 10 miles on the Warthog, kill 500 zombies, start a finale and hold out until the Pelicans arrival.’
Is’nt it hard enough for John to do this task? Admin never specifically said if it was a fully armed Pelican or even if it had a pilot. Im just trying to make it a bit more realistic as a random driver would’nt pull up to John and luckily find an empty Pelican what was suspicously surrounded with 500 Infected.
@lfieboi13
‘Warthogs in most halo videos i’ve seen travel in a straaight line so i’d say he has about a 40% chance of missing.’ Wow. In vidoes Warthogs have been seen travelling in a straight line. Wow, thats amazing! This has nothing to do with this scenario as the driver is ‘Skilled’ so wont be travelling in a straight line unless it was clear to do so. And as he is a ‘skilled driver’ he could easilly spot a huge piece of debris, where would he get the object from?, flying towards him and if it was on a collision course, he would easily avoid it.
‘one hand smashing the window, one hand holding onto the windscreen. not so hard…’
If one hand is holding on he’ll only have one to fight the marine with what could easily be parried with the marines two hands, suddenly brakeing and the firearm, the marine would surely have by him.
‘so the driver would dogde him. Now, i don’t know about you, but if your driving and are going from side to side, it is pretty hard.’
Its not. Try it. As its not you actually driving a car its far from the truth buts its a rough example of what it would be like.
‘by the time mc shoots him in the head, he will have already bit the driver and killed him.’
Unless John lost his sight on the way, he would of seen and heard the comotion on the front of the Warthog. The marine wont be a pushover giving MC the vital seonds to kill the Hunter, that is if the Hunter was’nt dealt with by the driver himself.
‘if it is a ’skilled’ driver like the AI from halo campain, he’s not that good. the AI driver in campain has caused me to die countless times in halo.’
They are controlled by an AI Director. They would’nt be like that in real life. By saying ‘skilled’ means they can drive the vechile on all types of terrain well, can make critical desicons under pressure and most importantly wont drive off a cliff or go, guns blazeing, heads fisrt into a Wraith.
June 12, 2010
#14
“let me guess, a halo fanboy who thinks anthink in halo is unbeatable. have you ever played left 4 dead? i think not becase if you have then you’d know the flod would be owned by the l4d infected”
Shut the fuck up.
Yes I have played left 4 dead, and no the flood would not be beaten by the flood.
Considering the flood could simply infect any of the infected and spread.
You are such a dumbass.
The flood is also able to wield weaponry.
And the fact that 4 regular poorly armed survivor’s are cable of surviving a hoard, means that the infected are a threat to the flood ?
ummm…. buddy laws of physics? If the warthog is going seventy miles an hour, a slight tug, could pull the chief off the damn thing.
And what ? Mc’s grip on the gun will all of a sudden fail ?
I quit, this thread is full of idiots now.
June 12, 2010
#15
@orpheus12
‘Shut the fuck up.
Yes I have played left 4 dead, and no the flood would not be beaten by the flood.
Considering the flood could simply infect any of the infected and spread.
You are such a dumbass.
The flood is also able to wield weaponry.
And the fact that 4 regular poorly armed survivor’s are cable of surviving a hoard, means that the infected are a threat to the flood ?’
this all goes to crap when a tank or a witch comes along!
@CRACKSHOT99
‘As its not you actually driving a car ‘
wtf? now he’s not driving at all?
‘ that is if the Hunter was’nt dealt with by the driver himself.’
so if, somehow, amazingly, this happened, the driver would have to stop and a tank would hit them, killing them instantly.
and btw, why are we talking about the warthog? as i said earlier he wouldn’t even make it there!!!
June 13, 2010
#16
@CRACKSHOT99
“The Hunter would have too raise hes hand over the windscreen and swipe. The driver will already have hes hand on the wheel and will have too move it from left to right. Even thoe the Hunters fast, the driver would still only have to move the wheel and then the Hunter would swing wild thanks to the driver and him swaying the ‘Hog’”
He won’t be flying everywhere though as long as he has 5 claws dug into the Warthog.
“Who said he’ll be shooting the Specials? He knows highly outnumbered so he’ll try to get to the Warthog as quick as possiable so he’ll only target threats infront or too his sides. Also, Johns aiming is extreamly incrediable so he could easily place some headshoots to quickly dispatch any threats.”
Okay then don’t shoot the special infected, he’ll just make it harder for him self by leaving a horde of them+commons all around him.
“A Smoker would’nt do that much part from tripping up John were he’ll either drag the Smoker along with him, break the tounge or kill the Smoker. Chargers he’d notice on his motion tracker and, even for the Survivors, easily dodge the Charger. Tank he could outrun or go around so aprt from a few rocks, where I dont know where he’d get them from as where in a crop field, the Tank would’nt be alot of a threat.”
If the Smoker trips him up and John has kept the special infected alive he’ll meet his death at the hands of about 100-150 commons+specials. As for a Charger, in this crop field scenario he’ll be concealed plus John will be tracking vast amounts of common infected and specials making the Charger’s job easier.
“Is’nt it hard enough for John to do this task? Admin never specifically said if it was a fully armed Pelican or even if it had a pilot. Im just trying to make it a bit more realistic as a random driver would’nt pull up to John and luckily find an empty Pelican what was suspicously surrounded with 500 Infected.”
The Warthog MC has to reach must just spawn when he gets there, otherwise the driver would have been killed long before MC arrived. I’d say it’s the same with the Pelican, MC arrives on his Warthog, kills 500 zombies and then the pelican lands.
June 13, 2010
#17
@PooperScooperi8
‘Dude even if chief made it to the warthog smoker could just pull him off of the gauss easy.’
Your saying a Smokers tounge can pull 1 ton of super solider? If the Smokers tounge some how did catch onto the Chief it would either be ripped off, pulled along or the Chief would shoot the Smoker. On the Gauss the Smoker would have to get the timing perfect, what wont be easy. The Chief would be holding on and the Chiefs stronger then a Smokers mutated tounge is so it would pull the Smoker behind.
‘Pull him off of a warthog, spitter spits below him, boomer pukes on him, then the charger picks him up and bashes him into the ground for a few minutes, byebye chief’
Spitter spit would have little to no affect on corroding away the MJOLNIR. Boomers puke would only blur him and, like we’ve been saying earlier, the might be able to escape the Charger. But they’d have to get him first, what wont be easy.
‘ummm…. buddy laws of physics? If the warthog is going seventy miles an hour, a slight tug, could pull the chief off the damn thing.’
Ummm… Hands on the Gauss? If the Chiefs holding on to the Gauss and the Smokers got him, the Smoker will have too pull extreamly hard to get John to let go of the Gauss, by then the Smoker will be dead or being pulled along by the Warthog.
@alfieboi13
‘this all goes to crap when a tank or a witch comes along!’
A Tank would only be able to be a threat once hes on range of hitting him as he wont have any concrete or rock to throw. Once hes in hitting range, the Cheif will be out of range before the Tank can land a hit, what the Cheif could easyily dodge.
The Witch would be sitting in the middle of the field minding her own buisness. Even if the Chief did get close to her, he’d be out of her annoyance range very quickly, so shes not a threat.
‘wtf? now he’s not driving at all?’
Im doing it from the drivers point of view!
‘so if, somehow, amazingly, this happened, the driver would have to stop and a tank would hit them, killing them instantly.’
Where does the Tank come from? The AI Director only spawns one tank per chapter, apart from finales. By the time MC’s crossed the 1 mile distance, a Tank would of probably spawned and lost control as he could’nt hit MC and dies. And if your scenario was correct and the driver dealt with the Hunter whats stopping John from blasting a shell from the Gauss into the Tanks chest? And even if the Tank hit the ‘Hog’ the driver might still be alive and John would probably still without ligament damage where he’d either flip the Warthog, if it was still dirveable, or sprint the remaining distance carrying the marine, if he was still alive.
‘and btw, why are we talking about the warthog? as i said earlier he wouldn’t even make it there!!!’
Firstly, the begining of the sentance does’nt make sense. Secondly, wheres your evidence saying John would’nt make it to the Gauss that has’nt been countered? I cant see any so John HAS made it to the Gauss and probably made it to the Pelican, jumping on and getting the hell out of there.
@Jackson
‘He won’t be flying everywhere though as long as he has 5 claws dug into the Warthog.’
If he has one hand dug into the metal work, he still wont have a great grip on the front of the ‘Hog’ so he could still be tossed about.
‘Okay then don’t shoot the special infected, he’ll just make it harder for him self by leaving a horde of them+commons all around him.’
They’ll only be around him for a few seconds, once hes picked up speed they’ll be 25 odd meteres behind him, unless one was a Hunter and kept pouncing.
‘If the Smoker trips him up and John has kept the special infected alive he’ll meet his death at the hands of about 100-150 commons+specials. As for a Charger, in this crop field scenario he’ll be concealed plus John will be tracking vast amounts of common infected and specials making the Charger’s job easier.’
If the Smoker some how did trip him up, he would go into a roll and spring back up trying not to lose alot of momentum. As for the rest of the Infected behind him, the wont suddenly get a speed boost and jump right behind John so hes pretty safe from them. As for the Charger part, yes they’ll be some Infected on his motion sensor but they’ll be going off it at the speed Johns going at. If the Chargers infront of John, a huge bulky mutated human, not that hard to see. If its to the sides, he’ll have to time it perfectly to get him and hope he does’nt move or dodge it. Behind, wont be able to catch up to him.
‘The Warthog MC has to reach must just spawn when he gets there, otherwise the driver would have been killed long before MC arrived. I’d say it’s the same with the Pelican, MC arrives on his Warthog, kills 500 zombies and then the pelican lands.’
I agree with the Warthog part, but not the Pelican. As MC has reached the destination the Pelican should spawn straight away, where it could easily cover him as he drives up to it.
June 13, 2010
#18
@CRACKSHOT99
‘Firstly, the begining of the sentance does’nt make sense’
right….
‘‘this all goes to crap when a tank or a witch comes along!’
A Tank would only be able to be a threat once hes on range of hitting him as he wont have any concrete or rock to throw. Once hes in hitting range, the Cheif will be out of range before the Tank can land a hit, what the Cheif could easyily dodge.
The Witch would be sitting in the middle of the field minding her own buisness. Even if the Chief did get close to her, he’d be out of her annoyance range very quickly, so shes not a threat.’
if you read sensibly, i was talking about l4d infected vs the flood.
‘Secondly, wheres your evidence saying John would’nt make it to the Gauss that has’nt been countered? I cant see any so John HAS made it to the Gauss and probably made it to the Pelican, jumping on and getting the hell out of there.’
if you had bothered to read comment 98, you would see that i said:
“We’re all talking as if the chief would make it to the warthog. Don’t forget he has to run a mile to the warthog . If a hunter,smoker,charger, jockey or boomer got to him he would be slowed down and a tank would probably hit him, and when he gets back up, he’ll be hit again and again and again until he is dead.”
‘Where does the Tank come from? The AI Director only spawns one tank per chapter, apart from finales.’
if this is the case, then earlier i said:
“the computer infected ,when viewed in first person, aimer never goes of a target once they have locked on so a hunter does have perfect timing.”
then you said:
‘Firstly, in real life, they would’nt be controlled by a computor AI. ‘
so there are no AI, but an AI director is spawning them?
Please, before you comment next, read carefully
June 13, 2010
#19
@alfieboi13
‘‘Firstly, the begining of the sentance does’nt make sense’
right….’
You siad ‘ and btw….’ If you read it, it comes out as ‘And But Dont Worry’. Double check next time.
‘if you had bothered to read comment 98, you would see that i said:’
If you had been bothered to read my comments you would see that he would get there.
‘Please, before you comment next, read carefully’
If we’re useing the Left 4 Dead mechanichs, then would we be counting getting to the Warthog one chaptor, getting to the LZ as another and getting to the escape vechile, this case a Pelican, as a finale? That so, the Hunter and driver thing you said:
’so if, somehow, amazingly, this happened, the driver would have to stop and a tank would hit them, killing them instantly.’
The Tank would have to be ecsactly on time, what I doubt will happen.
‘“the computer infected ,when viewed in first person, aimer never goes of a target once they have locked on so a hunter does have perfect timing.”
Thats true but he’d still have to time it perfectly, take a swing and hope John does’nt dodge it, whats extreamly unlikely.
June 13, 2010
#20
@CRACKSHOT99
‘You siad ‘ and btw….’ If you read it, it comes out as ‘And But Dont Worry’. Double check next time.’
I said (you double check next time) btw which means by the way not but don’t worry. (you triple check next time!!)
‘If we’re useing the Left 4 Dead mechanichs, then would we be counting getting to the Warthog one chaptor, getting to the LZ as another and getting to the escape vechile, this case a Pelican, as a finale?’
no, just no. read the description. if it was chapters, there would be safe rooms which there are none of.
‘The Tank would have to be ecsactly on time, what I doubt will happen.’
another spelling mistake! the tank would be EXACTLY on time as all he would have to do is hit or throw a rock at at object that isn’t even moving.
Please, next time, give me a good argument
June 13, 2010
#21
@alfieboi13
‘I said (you double check next time) btw which means by the way not but don’t worry. (you triple check next time!!)’
I dunno whos wrong as I heard it as ‘By The Way’. Personaly, I speak proper English so I dont really care on slang words part from the occasional ‘lol’ and ‘brb’ unlike you who does’nt even put capital letters after each sentances.
‘no, just no. read the description. if it was chapters, there would be safe rooms which there are none of.’
Obviously! But as ‘you’ want more Tanks, I suggested we put into chapters but obviously without the saferooms. I guess thats been scraped and you’ll only be getting one Tank.
‘another spelling mistake! the tank would be EXACTLY on time as all he would have to do is hit or throw a rock at at object that isn’t even moving.’
The only reason I sometimes spell wrong is because I type very quickly. You dont have too waste your time on going on about my spellings.
Anyway, by the time the Tank has lifted his arm and swung it, John would of either run past him or dodged it. And where would he get the rock from? Its a crop field so no rocks and throwing parts of rice and corn at John wont stop him.
‘Please, next time, give me a good argument’
Please, Next Time, give me a good argument.
June 13, 2010
#22
@CRACKSHOT99
‘ I speak proper English’
so why did you start that sentence by saying:
‘I dunno whos’
should be I don’t know who’s.
‘I guess thats been scraped and you’ll only be getting one Tank.’
WTF? There is no evidence supporting that fact!!!
‘The only reason I sometimes spell wrong is because I type very quickly.’
So do I and i seem to comment faster than you with less spelling mistakes!
‘And where would he get the rock from? Its a crop field so no rocks and throwing parts of rice and corn at John wont stop him.’
In the game, a tank can throw a rock in there. If you played l4d like you say you do, you should know that a tank can throw a rock in there.
‘Please, Next Time, give me a good argument.’
Should be: Please, next time, give me a good argument, and please do.
June 13, 2010
#23
@alfieboi13
‘so why did you start that sentence by saying:
‘I dunno whos’
should be I don’t know who’s.’
Its an aposterphe! I only do aposterphes on words like ‘don’t’ or ‘were’nt’ etc. While you use none! So dont have a go at me.
‘WTF? There is no evidence supporting that fact!!!’
There is’nt any saying there will be more than one Tank. Its up to Admin to decided. The odds are already hugely against the Chief so if he gets more than 2-3 Tanks, he should get a fully loaded Pelican equied with 70mm Rotary-cannon , fully loaded ANVIL-II ASM missile pods, a AIE-486H HMG to cover the Chief and 4-5 marines.
‘So do I and i seem to comment faster than you with less spelling mistakes!’
The fact that you comment faster is irrelevant. I was watching tv when you posted your comment as I dont spend every waking moment of my day on FactPile staring at the new posts. And I’ve seen you do more spelling mistakes than I’ve noticed re-reading my own.
‘In the game, a tank can throw a rock in there. If you played l4d like you say you do, you should know that a tank can throw a rock in there. ‘
As we’ve decided its not the Left 4 Dead mechainics, he wont be able to pull a piece of concrete out of the floor, what would be made up of soil, so he’ll have to use another tactic.
June 13, 2010
#24
@CRACKSHOT99
‘The odds are already hugely against the Chief so if he gets more than 2-3 Tanks, he should get a fully loaded Pelican equied with 70mm Rotary-cannon , fully loaded ANVIL-II ASM missile pods, a AIE-486H HMG to cover the Chief and 4-5 marines.’
Now that’s just stupid. The description mentions no Pelican or more marines.
‘ I was watching tv when you posted your comment as I dont spend every waking moment of my day on FactPile staring at the new posts’
No, not really, i’m not that sad. Besides, you’ve made more comments than me!!!!!
‘As we’ve decided its not the Left 4 Dead mechainics’
You’re the one who said earlier that an AI director spawned zombies. Stop changing your case!
June 13, 2010
#25
@alfieboi13
‘Now that’s just stupid. The description mentions no Pelican or more marines.’
Yes, this may surprise you but I did read the description. But it also does’nt say they’ll be more than one Tank. I only said that to try and equal it out abit for the Chief as adding endless waves of Tanks and John will be killed, so I suggested that to try and make it more fair.
‘No, not really, i’m not that sad. Besides, you’ve made more comments than me!!!!!’
And? I was on FactPile before you. And was near one star when I saw one of your first posts and know your only 26 comments behind me showing your putting more comments.
‘You’re the one who said earlier that an AI director spawned zombies. Stop changing your case!’
Firstly, there Infected humans that either have been bitten or breathed in the Green Flu, so they’re not zombies. Secondly, I meant mecanichs as in how the Infected functions and moves and reacs etc. Saying this, in real life, a Tank would’nt produce a rock to throw at the Survivors in a corn field. So he’s only option is to hit John with he’s hand.
June 13, 2010
#26
@CRACKSHOT99
“If he has one hand dug into the metal work, he still wont have a great grip on the front of the ‘Hog’ so he could still be tossed about.”
I don’t see how the marine will even get time to react. What with the original shock of the Hunter landing, digging it’s claws into the wind screen and swiping at the driver’s face with it’s hand. There isn’t much time for reaction, let alone wildly steering the Warthog left and right while reaching for a weapon.
“If the Smoker some how did trip him up, he would go into a roll and spring back up trying not to lose alot of momentum. As for the rest of the Infected behind him, the wont suddenly get a speed boost and jump right behind John so hes pretty safe from them. As for the Charger part, yes they’ll be some Infected on his motion sensor but they’ll be going off it at the speed Johns going at. If the Chargers infront of John, a huge bulky mutated human, not that hard to see. If its to the sides, he’ll have to time it perfectly to get him and hope he does’nt move or dodge it. Behind, wont be able to catch up to him.”
When I said trip him up, I meant the Smoker wrapping it’s tongue around his foot and reeling him in, by which time the infected in front and to side of John would have stepped in. With the Charger thing, MC will be tracking the infected all around him, including the Charger which will be closing the distance towards him.
“I agree with the Warthog part, but not the Pelican. As MC has reached the destination the Pelican should spawn straight away, where it could easily cover him as he drives up to it.”
Fighting them would be better, it’s like a three chapter campaign:
1) Make you way through one mile of crop field.
2)Speed your way through a 10 mile long rural area on a Warthog.
3)Hold off the infected till the evac arrives.
June 13, 2010
#27
@CRACKSHOT99
‘But it also does’nt say they’ll be more than one Tank’
there will be about 500 each mile, agreed? so 11 miles and a evac point is 500×12=5600 zombies. If i’m right, there is a 2% chance of changing into a tank so 2% of 5600 = 28 tanks i think? so there will be a total of about 28 tanks.
‘And? I was on FactPile before you’
Evidence? i remember joing around the same time as you.
June 13, 2010
#28
@Jackson
‘I don’t see how the marine will even get time to react. What with the original shock of the Hunter landing, digging it’s claws into the wind screen and swiping at the driver’s face with it’s hand. There isn’t much time for reaction, let alone wildly steering the Warthog left and right while reaching for a weapon.’
True, its human nature to freeze but a UNSC Marine pumped with adrenaline should be able to kill the Hunter or at least hold him off until the Chief can kill him.
‘When I said trip him up, I meant the Smoker wrapping it’s tongue around his foot and reeling him in, by which time the infected in front and to side of John would have stepped in. With the Charger thing, MC will be tracking the infected all around him, including the Charger which will be closing the distance towards him.’
If the Smokers tounge did wrap around hes leg, either it would be ripped off with Johns muscles as he runs or if he did trip up, he’d either shot the tounge or the Smoker it self quite quickly, so he would’nt be in danger for long.
The Charger part, yes, Johns motion tracker would be trackign the Infected at a 25 metre radius but larger enemies come up as bigger red dots. So if he saw a bigger red dot closing in on him, if it was on a collision course he would dodge the Charger quite easily and carry on running.
‘Fighting them would be better, it’s like a three chapter campaign:
1) Make you way through one mile of crop field.
2)Speed your way through a 10 mile long rural area on a Warthog.
3)Hold off the infected till the evac arrives.’
Thats what I said to alfieboi13 but he seemed very annoyed with this so I said lets stretch it into one huge chapter.
June 13, 2010
#29
Apologies for the second post.
@alfieboi13
‘there will be about 500 each mile, agreed? so 11 miles and a evac point is 500×12=5600 zombies. If i’m right, there is a 2% chance of changing into a tank so 2% of 5600 = 28 tanks i think? so there will be a total of about 28 tanks.’
500 what? Commons? Also, in your calculations, did you mean to put ’50 x 11 = 5600′ ??And if your saying they’ll be 28 Tanks, then maybe we should give The Chief a Scorpion with one or two escorts as this fight would be completely a waste of time with 28 Tanks. If we stick it too 1-2-3 Tanks, it would be a much better fight with John still having a chance to escape.
‘‘And? I was on FactPile before you’
Evidence? i remember joing around the same time as you.’
Are you seriously asking me too give evidence saying I joined before you on a website? This is completely irrelevent to the debate at hand so should’nt be disscused.
June 13, 2010
#30
Here’s how I see it.
33 Spartan II’s > any 3 ODST Divisions
4 regular people > thousands of zombies
1 Spartan II > 4 regular people
1 Spartan II > thousands of zombies.
“When I said trip him up, I meant the Smoker wrapping it’s tongue around his foot and reeling him in, by which time the infected in front and to side of John would have stepped in. With the Charger thing, MC will be tracking the infected all around him, including the Charger which will be closing the distance towards him.”
The Smoker wont be able to reel MC in. MC can lift 3x his body weight. The Smoker will wrap up the MC with its tongue, then MC will plant his foot INTO the ground, while with his unwrapped foot, crush the Smoker’s tongue in two.
MC has faced zombies before. Thousands of them. What do you think the Flood are? Smarter versions of zombies. The Flood have the Gravemind, pretty much like what the Borg Queen is. The Gravemind is a collection of all persons assimilated into the Flood.
June 13, 2010
#31
“If we stick it too 1-2-3 Tanks, it would be a much better fight with John still having a chance to escape.”
As I stated up there, MC can lift 3x his own weight. MC weighs 200 kg (441 lbs). MC can lift 1323 lbs. MC would rip a Tank to shreds with his bare fists in seconds.
June 13, 2010
#32
If we assume that the cars in L4D are approximately one ton, then John and the tank are approximately the same strength. Still, John could use judo to toss a tank around.
June 13, 2010
#33
“If we assume that the cars in L4D are approximately one ton, then John and the tank are approximately the same strength.
Cars actually weigh quite a bit more than that. The average US car weighs 3400-4000 lbs. However, if memory serves, the Tanks don’t pick up the cars and throw them, they just bash them away. Dont quote me however.
Tanks actually remind me of Brutes – they’re stupid, they charge, and they probably have relatively the same amount of strength. So while MC may not be as strong as a Tank, no Brute has felled him yet.
June 13, 2010
#34
@Eric Gigliotti
‘Cars actually weigh quite a bit more than that. The average US car weighs 3400-4000 lbs. However, if memory serves, the Tanks don’t pick up the cars and throw them, they just bash them away. Dont quote me however.’
Yh, the Tank only hits them, not having much accuracy.
June 13, 2010
#35
“Tanks actually remind me of Brutes – they’re stupid, ”
Brutes arn’t stupid, they’re savage, as indicated when they can perform well within their packs.
They’re just not as skilled as the chief.
@ eric
and Belisaurius
Thanks for coming, finally.
June 13, 2010
#36
“this all goes to crap when a tank or a witch comes along!”
You accuse me of being a halo fanboy, but yet you’re being a fanboy for left 4 dead by saying that.
How many tanks and witches can the infected field when they would have to fight an entire horde of flood?
If I didn’t know better, aren’t tanks and witches rare ? and the average combat form as superior strength compared to a witch and the pure forms of the flood would easily be able to kill a tank and witch from ranged or close combat.
The flood also have more than one way of infecting, whether it’s from infection form or spores, they’ll be able to infect the common infected along with any of the special infected.
They’ll also be able to use their biomass to form a gravemind.
You guys seriously keep underestimating the flood and MC
June 13, 2010
#37
“Cars actually weigh quite a bit more than that. The average US car weighs 3400-4000 lbs. However, if memory serves, the Tanks don’t pick up the cars and throw them, they just bash them away. Dont quote me however.”
Playing the game for a good while, I can back up this statement. But with that, they do knock them around with ease. But the Tanks are unable to move a truck. Just how heavy is the Warthog compared to another vehicle?
June 13, 2010
#38
“Just how heavy is the Warthog compared to another vehicle?”
Warthog’s weigh 3 tons.
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/M12_Light_Reconnaissance_Vehicle
June 13, 2010
#39
“Warthog’s weigh 3 tons.”
So 6000 pounds. A little less then twice the weight of an average car. It can probably push it back, but not flip it over with the same ease.
June 13, 2010
#40
Mind you that MC was hit by this very 3 ton vehicle, only to recover and climb back onto the hanger.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxrOw35DOGc
June 13, 2010
#41
“Brutes arn’t stupid, they’re savage, as indicated when they can perform well within their packs.”
Right, but by themselves, they are pretty stupid. This is shown in First Strike when they encounter them in that Temple thing where the generators were on Unyielding Hirophant. Blue team was pinned down by a group of Brutes while MC was getting his ass kicked by a single Brute – pinned to a wall and being choked to death. MC outsmarted the Brute and ended upkilling it – dont remember exactly how, but will look up if anyone doesnt believe me.
But does everyone believe as I do that a berserking Brute is pretty much a furry version of a tank?
June 13, 2010
#42
“let me guess, a halo fanboy who thinks anthink in halo is unbeatable. have you ever played left 4 dead? i think not becase if you have then you’d know the flod would be owned by the l4d infected.”
Thats complete bullshit. You send your 4 survivors into the Flood converted High Charity and they’ll be Flood in only a few minutes. I’ve played both games and anybody who has will attest to that.
June 13, 2010
#43
“MC outsmarted the Brute and ended upkilling it – dont remember exactly how, but will look up if anyone doesnt believe me.
But does everyone believe as I do that a berserking Brute is pretty much a furry version of a tank?”
eh..didn’t MC use pressure points ?
June 13, 2010
#44
“MC outsmarted the Brute and ended upkilling it – dont remember exactly how, but will look up if anyone doesnt believe me.
But does everyone believe as I do that a berserking Brute is pretty much a furry version of a tank?”
eh..didn’t MC attack the pressure points on the brute?
June 13, 2010
#45
“Thats complete bullshit. You send your 4 survivors into the Flood converted High Charity and they’ll be Flood in only a few minutes. I’ve played both games and anybody who has will attest to that.”
More like seconds, considering the immediate response of every infection form looking for “fresh” food to infect.
If marines weren’t able to, then mere civilians won’t even be able to make a kill.
June 13, 2010
#46
For everyone who does not know, the Flood have their own Tank.
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Flood_Tank_Forms
June 14, 2010
#47
“Mind you that MC was hit by this very 3 ton vehicle, only to recover and climb back onto the hanger.”
I’m not saying Chief can’t do it. I believe he can since he is wearing armor and is a trained super soldier. And it’s been proven the Witch is unable to break through metal.
He’s a guy who survived the flood and multiple alien invasions. Human Zombies should be no problem for a guy like him.
June 14, 2010
#48
@CRACKSHOT99
‘Are you seriously asking me too give evidence saying I joined before you on a website? This is completely irrelevent to the debate at hand so should’nt be disscused.’
You were the one who started the discussion about who joint first!!!!!
My apologies as my maths was very wrong. 2% of 5600= 112 tanks. byebye chief.
June 14, 2010
#49
@Eric Gigliotti
‘Right, but by themselves, they are pretty stupid. This is shown in First Strike when they encounter them in that Temple thing where the generators were on Unyielding Hirophant. Blue team was pinned down by a group of Brutes while MC was getting his ass kicked by a single Brute – pinned to a wall and being choked to death. MC outsmarted the Brute and ended upkilling it – dont remember exactly how, but will look up if anyone doesnt believe me.’
The Chiefs getting strangled by a Brute in the temple on the Unyielding Hierophant. John does use pressure points and later kills the Brute.
June 14, 2010
#50
@alfieboi13
‘You were the one who started the discussion about who joint first!!!!!’
That may be, but your the one getting worked up about it. Its only a website.
‘My apologies as my maths was very wrong. 2% of 5600= 112 tanks. byebye chief.’
Is’nt this discusion a complete waste of time if Johns against 112 Tanks and endless waves of Special’s and Common’s?? How’d you get the number 5600 anyway?
This should only have one Tank and one or two Witches per par to make it fair.
June 14, 2010
#51
Witches would be of absolutely no threat to MC.
Tanks would only be a threat to MC if he’s in a enclosed space and if there’s an entire horde.
John would only lose by being restricted by the countless amounts of bodies and Tanks on him.
But, Mc can simply out run all of them, unless one of you are going to tell me that, any of the infected can run at 34 miles per hour, in which the infected can barely keep up with the 4 normal human survivors.
June 15, 2010
#52
I honestly don’t know how this is still going. The Flood are WAY stronger than regular zombies. Regular zombies are stupid. They have a virus that kills the intelligent part of the brain and brings out the animal side. They are stupid. The Flood is a sentient creature (as shown in Halo: The Flood when Jenkins talks to the Infection Form) that takes over the host’s body. The Flood also has a central intelligence that coordinates the Flood, the Gravemind.
Now to fighting. The Zombies only way to attack is to maw, rip, and bite their victims. The Flood can fire weapons because they retain the knowledge of their host, and one arm turns into a deadly whip.
The Flood are simply more dangerous than the Zombies.
MC > Thousands of Flood
Thousands of Flood > Thousands of Zombies
MC > Thousands of Zombies
Master Chief for the FP Award
June 15, 2010
#53
And I’ve decided to add salt to the wound. A zombie dies as easily as a human does. The ONLY way to kill a Flood is to kill the Infection Pod inside the body. And even then, another Infection Pod can jump inside the body and its back fighting again. Zombies die once. The Flood can die multiple times.
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Flood
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090414103215/halo/images/5/50/Flood.jpg
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Combat_Form
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061222164522/halo/images/6/6a/Warrior_Form_Human2.png
June 15, 2010
#54
@CRACKSHOT99
‘This should only have one Tank and one or two Witches per par to make it fair.’
Hey, i’m doing real statistics! You wanna give mc the edge, you do that but my evidence is more proven than yours.
June 15, 2010
#55
@alfieboi13
Where are you getting these numbers? You cant just throw out numbers at random. There is no way there are 112 tanks in the whole entire game, let alone an 11 mile stretch.
The situation is, as stated by Admin, a pack of zombies rush MC at once. He has a 1 mile run (which he can cover in a min and a half) till he gets to a Warthog with a gauss cannon. Then he needs to get on a Pelican Dropship at a hanger with 500 zombies. If your 2% stat is correct, then that is only 10 tanks. That gauss cannon will destroy all 10 if they charged it in a straight line. The Gauss Cannon works in the same way as a MAC gun. It fires a 25mm round at mach 40, 8.5 miles per second. Read the situation, there are not 5600 zombies. MC takes this easily.
June 15, 2010
#56
@alfieboi13
‘Hey, i’m doing real statistics! You wanna give mc the edge, you do that but my evidence is more proven than yours.’
How do you get 5600?! Admin stated at the top saying ’500′ infected so I dont know where your getting that number!
Anyway, John should be able to run the 1 mile stretch to the ‘Hog’ and once hes one the ‘Hog’ the Gauss shells would go clean through the Tanks body killing it in one or two.
June 15, 2010
#57
@CRACKSHOT
Can a tank’s body stop a 25mm round traveling at mach 40, 8.5 miles per second? Dont use game mechanics. Look up the actual stats. That round will fly through 20-30 tanks lined up in a row.
June 16, 2010
#58
@CRACKSHOT99
‘How do you get 5600?! Admin stated at the top saying ‘500′ infected so I dont know where your getting that number!’
he said 500 at the LANDING ZONE. This would mean there would be about 500 zombies each mile which is 11 and the finale which makes 5600 infected!!!
June 16, 2010
#59
“he said 500 at the LANDING ZONE. This would mean there would be about 500 zombies each mile which is 11 and the finale which makes 5600 infected!!!”
And still, you get 5600 how? Where does it say *ANYWHERE* that there would be 500 every mile?
June 16, 2010
#60
All of this is a moot point anyways. The zombies *CANNOT* break through the shields and armor. No where has it been proven yet. The tanks can, but MC has fought deadlier enemies than tanks for 27 years (2525-2552) and he is still not dead. MC doesnt have to kill all the zombies either. He just needs to drive through them (the Warthog has a skilled driver) and blast what he wants to. And as for the landing zone, the MC has been training and fighting for 35 years (2517-2552). He will find a way to kill all the zombies in a final, climatic second. These virus infected, rotten fleshed, stupid zombies have nothing on the MC. Oh, btw, I said stupid because they *ARE*
June 16, 2010
#61
This is what it says.
“For this match MC only has his pistols. He’s got 16 clips to reload. Scene starts just like the picture shows – he’s getting rushed and has a 1 mile sprint to reach a warthog with a Guass Cannon + a skilled driver. From that point they have a 10 mile drive to the Landing Zone which is currently occupied by 500 more zombies”
@ alfieboi13
This is your bullshit.
“he said 500 at the LANDING ZONE. This would mean there would be about 500 zombies each mile which is 11 and the finale which makes 5600 infected!!!”
Stop pulling numbers out of your ass, it never says there would be 500 every mile, there’s only 500 at the landing zone.
You and your damn assumptions.
Suck it.
Anyways its not like you suggested the match, so stop making random shit up.
June 22, 2010
#62
So, Master Chief for the FP Award.