Making the first appearance for the Command and Conquer franchise is the Mammoth Tank. It’s going up against the Scorpion Tank from the Halo universe. Both have tremendous ability to inflict heavy casualties. So, which one would you want to be piloting?
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July 17, 2009
#1
A slam dunk for the Mammoth Tank….
Advantages of the Mammoth:
1.) Rail Gun Upgrades
2.) Rail Gun Accelerator – (Faster Rate Of Fire)
3.) Adaptive Armor – (Shields that are more advanced than Reactive Armor)
4.) Multiple Rockets
July 17, 2009
#2
this one has got to go to the mammoth tank, that thing is way to powerful 4 of them can destroy an enemys base all on their own.
plus look how cool it looks compared to the scorpian tank
July 17, 2009
#3
I’d be in the Scorpion.
July 17, 2009
#4
Judging from the pic, The mammoth probably fires a larger shell at a faster rate due to twin cannons. I don’t know about it’s armor though. I’ll say mammoth for now.
July 17, 2009
#5
you just had to go there didn’t you. Is this the Halo wars version or fps version?
July 17, 2009
#6
The scorpian is a good, solid tank with a slight edge in maneuverability.
However, in a head to head match up, the Mammoth has the advantage.
July 17, 2009
#7
No Engineer in his right mind would design something along the lines of a Scorpion, the turret is too tall, too exposed and far too aloof to be of practical use. Whilst the Scorpion was designed for speed, the Mammoth lives to be a mobile fortress, capable of dishing double doses of 120mm shells at mach seven (and a variety of other mounted weapons).
I’ll go with the Mammoth for now.
July 17, 2009
#8
The scorpion tank is from the 26th century.
‘Nough said. Scorpion tank curbstombs.
July 18, 2009
#9
you would think that in the 26 century they would have come up with something better than a tank like that
July 18, 2009
#10
The Scorpion Driver is way too exposed to be effective as heavy armor. Most tank crews are protected and are not vunerable to sniper and small arms fire. The Mammoth on the other hand is a propper heavy battle tank that can take alot of abuse in the heat of combat. That coupled with the two larger cannons with there higher rate of fire and larger payload make it a clear winner in this battle.
July 18, 2009
#11
Well, judging from the turret height, the Scorpion is at an advantage when surrounded by terrain features such as rocks and buildings (allthough not for long- 120 mm shells have a tendency to shred cover.) The Mammoth, on the other hand has twice as many guns and can theoretically, ignoring rpm statistics, bring twice the pain to bear. And the fact that they are railguns means that kinetic damage will be astoundingly devestating. The Scorpion has always apeared to me to maintain reletively “modern” fireing techniques, something quite similar to todays tanks.
Keep in mind that the Scorpion is meant to be a mobile artillery platform, also, and not just a main battle tank. It does best when supported by faster, smaller vehicles and when soldiers are mounted on top to provide anti infantry and small amounts of anti-vehicle covering fire.
The Mammoth, however, has always, from Command and Conquer, thru Red Alert, and now in the current stage, meant to be a solo fortress of death. In Red Alert it was capable of shredding helicopters and putting up a fair fight against Migs and Yaks. Now…well, I’ll let you figure this out.
If the king of FactPile awards himself appears (you know who I speak of, haha), perhaps we will be gifted with some realistic stats. As for now I’ll pull my fanboy card and say Mammoth due to (apparently) more advanced tech. Tech has almost always won wars when innapropriate political actions haven’t been involved.
July 18, 2009
#12
your point AHEM? the Command and Conquer takes place in the ’90’s (depending on which game you’re talking about) and they STILL have more advanced weaponry than Halo (i.e. railguns are common place, so are mechs and military use nano technology) like L-W said the Scorpion is a military disaster, it’s layout is horrible, the turret makes it an enormous target for the TWIN 120mm RAILGUN turrets, not to mention the half dozen (at least) missile launches hidden around the low profile turret of the Mammoth.
The Mammoth out maneuvers and out guns the Scorpion easily. “‘Nough said.”
July 18, 2009
#13
“The scorpion tank is from the 26th century.”
You’re right there but its firepower & resilience are still inferior to the Mammoth Tank Mk. III…..
July 18, 2009
#14
It would have been more fair if the Mammoth were going against the Grizzly from Halo Wars
that would make things quite a bit more interesting
July 18, 2009
#15
@ AHEM
That has only one main gun…. and doesn’t have rail guns… and is much smaller…. and has less armor…. and sucks.
You suck at logic don’t you?
July 18, 2009
#16
seeing how the scorpions cockpit is barely protected the mammoth tank doesn’t need to actually blow up the tank
July 19, 2009
#17
“A slam dunk for the Mammoth Tank….
Advantages of the Mammoth:
1.) Rail Gun Upgrades
2.) Rail Gun Accelerator – (Faster Rate Of Fire)
3.) Adaptive Armor – (Shields that are more advanced than Reactive Armor)
4.) Multiple Rockets”
Agreed!
July 19, 2009
#18
Admin: We should have more C&C participants!!
No problem, just request some more matches! – Admin
July 19, 2009
#19
Even though I like the Scorpion Tank and haven’t yet played Command and Conquer I think the Mammoth Tank would be the better tank. The problem is the Scorpion Tank by the looks of it is a light tank. My guess the Scorpion was made for urban and city area and face against light armored vehicles and infantry. Not for tank on tank combat like the Mammoth. So the Mammoth has the edge in this fight. However in WWII the Germans had superior tanks like the Tiger and Panther tanks. While the allies had weaker tanks like the M4 Shermans however the allies used their vast numbers to overwhelm the German tanks. In a one on one fight the Mammoth (like the Tiger) would beat the Scorpion (like the Sherman). However if there is more Scorpions on the field than the edge goes to the Scorpion. In WWII the only way a Sherman can beat a Tiger is to let the Tiger shoot at him and hope that his buddy’s tank can go around fast enough to shoot the Tiger tank in the ass where the Tiger’s armor is at it’s weakests. That is the only way a Scorpion can defeat a Mammoth. The Scorpion has to pray that his buddy can shoot the Mammoth in the ass.
July 19, 2009
#20
Admin, is the site under work? Cause it needs some…
LOL – yes, it’s constantly needing improvement. – Admin
July 19, 2009
#21
actually the mammoth has no weak points, can out take a large number of tanks without much damage and anyway it is still a 1 on 1 haha L-W need to give us some stats
July 19, 2009
#22
What if “The Rookie” was on board that Scorpion?
July 19, 2009
#23
“Even though I like the Scorpion Tank and haven’t yet played Command and Conquer I think the Mammoth Tank would be the better tank. The problem is the Scorpion Tank by the looks of it is a light tank. My guess the Scorpion was made for urban and city area and face against light armored vehicles and infantry. Not for tank on tank combat like the Mammoth. So the Mammoth has the edge in this fight. However in WWII the Germans had superior tanks like the Tiger and Panther tanks. While the allies had weaker tanks like the M4 Shermans however the allies used their vast numbers to overwhelm the German tanks. In a one on one fight the Mammoth (like the Tiger) would beat the Scorpion (like the Sherman). However if there is more Scorpions on the field than the edge goes to the Scorpion. In WWII the only way a Sherman can beat a Tiger is to let the Tiger shoot at him and hope that his buddy’s tank can go around fast enough to shoot the Tiger tank in the ass where the Tiger’s armor is at it’s weakests. That is the only way a Scorpion can defeat a Mammoth. The Scorpion has to pray that his buddy can shoot the Mammoth in the ass.”
Sorry for the 2x post, but if I may just state my opinion on this…..
Attacking on the rear will no longer work in the time lines of C&C Tiberium Wars, I already stated that the Mammoth Tank Mk. III of the Steel Talons has an Adaptive Armor, this armor doesn’t work like those ERA(Explosive Reactive Armors) of the M1A2, T-90, Challenger 2, LECLERC & Leopard 2A6…..Its like a semi Attenuated Force Field, though I think the GDI reversed engineered the Scrin’s Attenuated Force Field.
July 19, 2009
#24
never played, but love C&C, so i’ll stick with mammoth tank, a unit that has given me priceless victories time and again.
July 19, 2009
#25
This is an easy win for the mammoth tank. The scorpion is pathetically weak, being unable to survive more than a few shots from the dubious halo rocket launcher. The mammoth, on the other hand, has metre thick armour better than modern chobham, and would be utterly immune to anything we could throw at it today, apart from a 500lb bomb, or nukes. The mammoths twin railguns are also almost certainly superior to the scorpions main gun, by virtue of being able to penetrate things.
Also, am I the only one that preferred the look of the old mammoth tanks?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_t3hZTHcazJ8/SDaDThKzqKI/AAAAAAAAB7E/j_JdTA7x__Y/s400/red-alert-new-mammoth-tank-.jpg
July 19, 2009
#26
The only protection the pilot has in the scorpian is somthing that resembles a roll cage even an indirect hit or a near miss could send shrapnell and debris flying at lethal speeds towards the driver ending this quick.
July 20, 2009
#27
For a tank, the Scorpion is incredibally weak. The Scorpion’s only advantage here is its speed and is easily affordable in times of war. If you have ever played Halo Wars, the scorpion is only effective when in swarms. A single scorpion can be ripped apart by virtually anything in the game. when swarmed together though, they present much more danger and provide adequate protection and firepower. There is one scorpion tank that never even hit the Haloverse and is now just a faint memory.
The story behind this?
A long time ago (before Halo:Combat Evolved)
Halo was only in test phases. It was supposed to come out for Macs, and if you go to Youtube and search Halo before Halo, you will understand what I’m talking about. Many things were different elites were taller and skinnier, multiple SPARTANS, machetes, Flak cannon as a weapon, and Scorpions looked remarakably similier to the mammoth tank and seemed to be better desiegned and looked to have more firepower.
July 23, 2009
#28
The picture isn’t comparable size. The Mammoth tank is many times larger than a scorpion.
Not to mention it has armor capable of withstanding multiple rail gun shots, AND a cannon to rail gun the crap out of anything that has the balls to get in its way.
The biggest advantage it has is probably the fact that it’s driver actually has a cockpit protects him from attacks, let alone pistol fire, whereas in halo you can simply shoot someone whom is driving a scorpion with a low-rate pistol.
July 23, 2009
#29
Not to mention the Scorpions cannon fires resembling the firepower of a frag grenade.
July 23, 2009
#30
“Not to mention the Scorpions cannon fires resembling the firepower of a frag grenade.”
Any Railgun ever that exists or ever will exist will have a hell of alot more punch then any frag grenade. Railguns r uber.
July 23, 2009
#31
Indeed wise Skunks.
Indeed.
July 24, 2009
#32
so haha do we l like agree that it is the mammoth tank that wins and sorry if this comment is repeated
July 28, 2009
#33
The mammoth is obviosly way better. I think even modern day tanks could stand a very good chance agaist the Scorpion tank.
July 28, 2009
#34
@ the_man
A regular person with a pistol stands a good chance against the Scorpion… the designers might as well put a big sign above the turret that reads-
“Hey, I don’t have an enclosed diver’s seat, shot me!”
July 31, 2009
#35
That was a little wrong. Obviously a tank could take a regular person with a pistol.
August 14, 2009
#36
I think he’s talking about the games. In the games, if you the only weapon you have is a pistol and you have enough cover and distance between you and the scorpian, you can very well take it out.
August 24, 2009
#37
Or you can jump on the tank and shoot at the driver
August 24, 2009
#38
I most certainly agree that the Mammoth will take this one. Even its much smaller cousin the Predator Tank will beat the UNSC scorpion.
But id like to point out that GDI mammoths do not have railguns as standard issue. Still it wont matter because the Mammoth still has 2 150mm cannons and 2 Missle Pods and much much better armor.
the only non epic Command and Conquer unit capable of beating a Mammoth tank in a one on one duel is a Purifier and even then only at close range.
August 24, 2009
#39
Or stick a shape charge on the hatch.
October 22, 2009
#40
the technology is comparable, but wouldn’t railgun tech in the 26th century be more refined than 21st century railgun tech?
I like the Mammoth, but given the advancement in materials design that would filter down from creatiing inertia resistant starship hulls and GK-resistant components for fusion reactors, I see the UNSC’s Scorpion as more of a descendent of the GDI Mammoth. If they have EM propelled weaponary then such weapoary must utilise massive currents to create a field, and such currents require efficient superconductors. Superconductor materials can only improve over the centuries, especially if interstellar travel is considered.
It is reasonable to assume that the Mammoth uses armour that is one step above modern tank armour, using more titanium, or harder ceramics. it’s unlikely that they would use reactive armour, as that is somewhat ‘old hat’.
The scorpion’s armour would be more exotic to us, and include materials that it is hard for us to foresee; perhaps a form of plasma-tempered super-alloy, engineered to overcome the temperatures and pressures found within Fusion reactors. Are the UNSC that advanced?
October 23, 2009
#41
Umm Tom the scorpian doesnt use rail gun tech. It is armed with a 90mm cannon that fires tungsten armour peircing round that is sacrifices armour penetration for explosive power. This makes it effective against infantry but much less so against enemy tanks.
October 24, 2009
#42
Yea i have to go with the mammoth.no matter how much I want the scorpion to win this,I’ve played halo wars enough to know that 3 grunt teams can blow this thing up easy with a barrage of stickies.BUT.if the mammoth get’s all the upgrades in command and conquer,why not the scorpion in halo wars?And the scorpions last known upgrade in halo wars is:the GRIZZLY.now that would be cool.Mammoth vs Grizzly
December 16, 2009
#43
If the Scorpion is erratically designed, then I can’t say a lot about the Mammoth.
The Mammoth uses railguns (which put its operational lifetime at <10 shots)
The Mammoth's tank tracks are exposed and single-railed (its climbing ability is more
limited and its tracks are open to artillery fire)
Its turret seems to have limited capability to raise its angle of fire.
I cannot think of how someone can possibly enter the tank.
December 16, 2009
#44
The Mammoth looks like a military blunder too.
1. Tracks (why are they placed so disadvantageously??)
2. Railguns (short op. life and expensive. not something you want on a tank)
3. No Entrance (How is any operator going to enter? How does he get out? If no
operator, then EMP screws this tank. HARD >)
4. Limited Turret Raising (bad design flaw. No aerial targets for this guy
5. A design that comes out of Mars Invaders. It looks so cheesy.
Even if I get targeted by its railguns, etc. etc., I would still point at it and laugh.
December 16, 2009
#45
Foward… your an idiot…
December 20, 2009
#46
I’m sorry for double-posting.
But I would like to know why you labelled me as an idiot.
December 20, 2009
#47
Probably because you seem to have very little info on the Mammoth. I am no expert on engineering or tank design, so i’ll leave those parts out, but I know some stuff you failed at.
Railguns: these are not standard armanent. Standard loadout is twin-mounted 150mm anti tank guns that deal very heavy damage. The Railguns are available upgrades that vastly increases lethality. The fact that they’re expensive is seldom a factor, considering the tank is so freaking hard to destroy. The weapon will most likely survive. Also, as the gun has been used for such a long time, I fail to see how it could have such a short operational life. If it had, the massive cost of continually shifting out weapons would be crippling. Nothing in the series indicate that the latest, safest versions will have such a short life.
No entrance: LOL. The entrance is, obviously, simply at a place we cannot see or made in a way that conceals it. Of course there’s a crew. Who would place THIS weapon under the complete control of insufficent comp command?
Limited turret raising: It’s not a bad design flaw at all. Those guns are overkill against aircraft, and shooting up there with no guarantee to hit is just stupid, even more so if the tank gets upgraded to Railguns. No, the rocket launchers will bring down most aircraft handily while the big guns blast the enemy tanks into oblivion.
December 20, 2009
#48
Forward Unto Dawn demonstrates his idiocy once again:
1) “The Mammoth uses railguns (which put its operational lifetime at <10 shots)"
Clearly wrong, since no field army would deploy a mobile platform with such a limited operation lifespan in which is expected to get one armoured kill at most at an effective range (effective range dictates that a weapon is expected to get a kill 10% of the time – this is often lower for tanks). Clearly the post C&C Soviet Union developed the materials necessary to allow for such endurance, given their ability to construct iron curtains, it is clear that their understanding of material science is far greater in its application of exotic matter in mobile platforms than ours.
2) “The Mammoth's tank tracks are exposed and single-railed (its climbing ability is more
limited and its tracks are open to artillery fire)”
Hardly, the pod based system not only grants it greater mobility than most other single tracked vehicles over uneven terrain (for as long as it has a greater surface clearance), but it allows it to maintain stability WHILST dispersing ground pressure over a large surface area; this makes the vehicle less prone to sinking in soft soil over other smaller vehicles that use smaller tracks or tires.
3) “Its turret seems to have limited capability to raise its angle of fire."
It “seems”? Unless you have any direct or observed evidence over the limited elevation over the cannon mechanism then what you “seem” to think means jack and shit.
4) “I cannot think of how someone can possibly enter the tank.”
Considering these tanks were used to storm the European and the American continents in massive waves, it’s clear that someone was getting in and out of these vehicles, you damned moron. Heck, the fact that infantry are seen leaving the tank upon destruction should be a decent indicator that SOMEONE is piloting it.
5) “Limited Turret Raising (bad design flaw. No aerial targets for this guy”
Considering that tanks aren’t meant to engage aircraft with kinetic kill weapons such as a 120mm cannon, how is this a disadvantage, seriously? Either way, if you had done even an ounce of research you would know that the Mammoth comes equipped with AA weapons such as various SAM missiles and PD cannons designed specifically for knocking aircraft, even F-16’s, out of the sky (I racked up quite a kill count against the MiG fighter platform with just a Mammoth alone).
Of course, the above scenario would require the application of at least some intelligence on your behalf.
December 20, 2009
#49
Forward…. you did an epic fail, the sole problem I even see on the Mammoth is the exposed tracks, but that is of little concern when the tracks were designed to roll over anything.
December 20, 2009
#50
Well without tracks, it can not move.
December 20, 2009
#51
It’s a good thing they’re armored too then.
January 13, 2010
#52
Mammoth wins this hands down. The scorpion is a light tank (FFS it can be AIRDROPPED!!!!), mammoth is super heavy. The Halo universe is surprisingly technologically unadvanced given how far it is into the future. While the civilian populace gets a crapton of hardware advancement (only shown in the novels), the military’s still using 7.62mm NATO, .50 BMG, and the venerable pistol is pretty much a desert eagle with a hi-cap magazine. The only really hi-tech stuff the Haloverse has is the stuff you never see in game but read about in books, Covenant stuff (and even that is pretty mild for sci-fi), the spaceships and AIs (Nylund practically goes Tom-Clancy-tech-porn on the PIllar of Autumn in Fall of Reach), the SPAHTAN LAZOR, and the Spartans themselves (which cost as much as spaceships).
January 17, 2010
#53
Admin you should make the covenant vs the seraphim.
i nominate the mammoth for superior armor, shield, self-repair systems, mobility and
FIRE POWER
February 28, 2010
#54
Forward unto dawn is an idiot, I agree with that, the Mammoth tank can attack a bunch of tanks while shattering venoms and virtigo bombers from above, It’s cousin, the Predator tank is probably already larger than this scorpion tank, The only things which I can imagine win a fight against a Mammoth is Either A mothership from Scrin, those aircraft carriers from scrin, or the Avatar from nod,It, accompanied with a commando, 2-3 more Mammoth tanks and 1 or 2 squads of zone troopers would stand a huge chance of Destroying a Heavily armed base, I send 6 in the aircraft base, Croatia mission, and took it out without losing 1 tank
February 28, 2010
#55
An APC could probably already have killed the driver of the Scorpion in the first 1-2 seconds, 20 APC’s wouldn’t stand up to one mammoth tank, let alone a scorpion, try it, 1-2 shots and the APC goes boom.