Macross Vs Gundam

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February 13th, 2010 at 1:24 pm -

Suggested by Belisaurius

For this battle the collective universes of each franchise are colliding. Only one universe will emerge with it’s critical elements in place.

For those who don’t know, Robotech was adapted from Macross, so that should tell you which side I’m taking…

Who wins?

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Megaraptor18
March 14, 2010
#1

Ok you next Comment seems more relax and reasonable so my comment we be relaxed and out hate.

No to the debate

““Decades and by then the war would be over. However given the fact that the Turn X can drain life and that the Devil Gundam can infect and control all living being makes the Vajra useless in this fight.”

Incorrect on several points.
First off, since the Gundam universe has no FTL travel, it can’t actually defeat Macross, just drive them off again and again.”

I could say you dodged the comment you quoted. However saying that Macross would be driven off again and again is what I have beeen saying since I learned they has FTL travel.

“Remember, Turn A’s FTL was debunk cannonicly. Turn A would take centuries to reach the next solar system.”

I never say (Atleast in the past few comments) that is can or the Turn A would need to leave the Solar System. All it can do is wait for the next wave to come and that wave would be driven off like the last one.

“So you use a Ghost V-9″

I was thinking more the lines of either the Qubeley Mass Production Type, any other type of Funnel or Bit use Mobile Suit or Mobile Armor should do the trick.

” Also, why are you using funnels instead of bits? Bits are far more powerful.”

Because Funnels are mass-produced and it is what the MP Qubeley uses

“There was “the Official Robotech RPG” on the cover, like it matters, but having any reference point is better than wild claims.”

Even though the two series might be the same (Can you tell me the difference beween the two I’m a bit lost on the difference.) But by the sames of things they are different. Regardless a RPG is not as reliable so the offical stats on the weapons and the fact they are cannon is debateable. (But I understand why you try to use it. It’s better than nothing.)

“Because you didn’t even try to do the math”

Yeah that was my bad on my part I’ll admit that. I was too tried from a long day at work to do anymore math that day.

“Still not disrupting space.”

Well given the sizes of the weapon’s blast it mostly did create a disruption in space given that Mega Particle cannons are the repulsive forces between positive and negative Minovsky particles and a replusive of that scale has to create a disruption in space itself. Besides When Amuro started going on about the Solar Ray (Or that light of pure hatred) it did even hit the Federation Fleet yet and shows that he felt some kind of disruption caused by the Solar Ray. The only logical sense is that he felt the disruption in Space itself.

So other than that I agree with your statement that Gundam can drive off Macross forces. Which makes this a tie (I know it’s not a very Factpile thing to say but it’s the truth.)
Belisaurius
March 14, 2010
#2

“Ten gigatons doesn’t sound too outrageous, but half a teraton sure does.”
It really comes down to which Ontario region they’re talking about. Do they mean the Ontario metropolitan area or Ontario, territory of Canada with 1,076,395 km^2 of land and water.

“I could say you dodged the comment you quoted. However saying that Macross would be driven off again and again is what I have been saying since I learned they has FTL travel.”

Sorry, forgot about that argument for a second.
Anyhow, since the Vajra have visited multiple life bearing planets without space suits and since microbes are the simplest forms of life, it stands to reason that the Vajra immune system is as highly evolved. This gives a counter measure against Turn X and DG cells simultaneously. The Energy Conversion Armor (ECA) adds another layer of protection, as does the vacuum of space since the low pressure causes many substances to sublimated and chemical processes to slow. (The Devil Gundam had the life support system of Neo-Japan, BTW)

“I was thinking more the lines of either the Qubeley Mass Production Type, any other type of Funnel or Bit use Mobile Suit or Mobile Armor should do the trick.”

Good luck, those thing are damn fast and don’t have a mind to read. Just keeping pace will take continuous use of precog. The funnels just aren’t fast enough to keep up with the rapidly changing speed and vector.

“Well given the sizes of the weapon’s blast it mostly did create a disruption in space given that Mega Particle cannons are the repulsive forces between positive and negative Minovsky particles and a replusive of that scale has to create a disruption in space itself.”
Nothing short of a singularity is a significant distortion in space.

“Besides When Amuro started going on about the Solar Ray (Or that light of pure hatred) it did even hit the Federation Fleet yet and shows that he felt some kind of disruption caused by the Solar Ray. The only logical sense is that he felt the disruption in Space itself.”
More likely, it was Gihren Zabi’s hate. The guy had an IQ of 240 and a sociopathic style of governance. Considering that Amuro could sense the hate from Dozle Zabi, this is far more plausible.
Megaraptor18
March 14, 2010
#3

“More likely, it was Gihren Zabi’s hate. The guy had an IQ of 240 and a sociopathic style of governance. Considering that Amuro could sense the hate from Dozle Zabi, this is far more plausible.”

Than that was one hell of a hatred then. If what you say is true than you give me another reason to like Gihren (Sorry he is my favorite villian.)
Belisaurius
March 15, 2010
#4

“Than that was one hell of a hatred then.”
He wasn’t called Hitler’s shadow for his flawed contemporary artwork. On another note, have you ever played Gihren’s greed?
Megaraptor18
March 15, 2010
#5

“have you ever played Gihren’s greed?”

I haven’t due to the fact it never had a US release. But I would love to play it. But by the sounds of it I would have to learn japanese.
xie323
March 30, 2010
#6

Yes you have to learn Japanesse. There are sites to help you but they don’t translate the storyline.
Belisaurius
April 20, 2010
#7

Damn, sounded like a fun game too.

anyway, where were we?
guru
May 18, 2010
#8

Gundam universe is no match for Macross. Let’s see, first of all MS are slow, with an accleration at probably less then 6 g commonly. Where as in Macross the latest VF are at 39 to 49 G accleration. That’s the vf 25 and 27. Macross has anti ship weapon and anti planet weapon. How the hell does gundam have any advantages over Macross? For goodness sake, they got Dimension eater bullet/beam/bomb and Planet grade reaction weapon that can destory a planet! They got capital ship cannon that beat gundam super weapon. What else to agrue? FTL? Nuke? what? Speed is in macross favor, firepower is in macross favor, FTL including sensor are at macross favor. Gundam dies faster then you can say gundam.
Enoirin
May 18, 2010
#9

@guru

Not to mention a staggering numerical advantage.

Then we also have the Protodeviln, some of which are apparently capable of single-handedly destroying entire fleets of warships and their leader is apparently capable of draining/destroying all life in the cosmos (or so I’ve heard, I’m fairly unfamiliar with anything from Macross 7 and Macross Frontier).
Enoirin
May 18, 2010
#10

In my attempt to find clips of the Protodeviln’s supposed abilities, I found this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98s5Q3_UBYo and nearly vomited out of disgust.

I now know first hand why so many Macross fans have disowned the abortion that is Macross 7.

I think I’ll stick with SDFM and DYRL.
Belisaurius
May 20, 2010
#11

So…Can we call this one after 300+ posts?