What looks on paper to be a fairly even match doesn’t hold up when comparing the entire bodies of work for each universe. While I am a huge fan of LOTR, D&D just has way too many powerful beings for even anyone possessing the ring to put up a good fight.
What say you?
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May 19, 2009
#1
Dungeons & Dragons FTW.
May 19, 2009
#2
I give this to D&D without a doubt. Dungeons and Dragons has hundreds of it’s own versions of the LotR powerhouses and more. It’s an almost infinite sea of heroes and villains in a constant clash.
May 19, 2009
#3
By the time LOTR came around allot of the Middle Earth’s more powerful beings had already vanished. Although I don’t know much about D&D, I can see how they would triumph.
If it were the whole of Middle Earth, back in the times of Morgoth when there when balrogs riding into battle on dragons, giant spiders devouring the world’s light, vampires, massive werewolves and a hell of a lot of demi gods… this could be a different story.
May 19, 2009
#4
^ i agree. all of middle earth vs D&D=middle earth
just LOTR vs D&D=they’d put up a good fight but be beaten
May 19, 2009
#5
Well, it entails ALL of the warriors, mages, demons, animals that have ever been in these universes.
Oh yeah, my suggestion!! =)
May 19, 2009
#6
LOTR would win this. Hands down. Think of all the Balrogs, Dragons, Wizards, Elves, etc. swarming the D&D troops. Sauron, Aragorn, Saruman, Gandalf, the Men of the Mountain, Legolas, I could go on for days.
May 19, 2009
#7
RiseUp You no nothing of D&D there are even more Powerhouses more god’s more everything LOTR are Doomed.
May 19, 2009
#8
Nobody wants to debate my stance? C’mon!! Weak!!
May 19, 2009
#9
“RiseUp You no nothing of D&D there are even more Powerhouses more god’s more everything LOTR are Doomed.”
Didn’t notice this post. Really? Care to elaborate? Because if you wish me to elaborate……..I will. ; )
May 19, 2009
#10
As far as I know, D&D doesn’t have an all powerful being God/Creator, like LoTR does, in the form of Eru Ilúvatar. That reason alone means that LoTR would triumph, unless I’m wrong and D&D has it’s own ‘One Above All’
May 19, 2009
#11
D&D has multiple pantheons to draw on. I can probably name at least four gods of death off the top of my head. The game has more gods than it knows what to do with, and even has stats for Cthulu. Also, there’s Pun Pun.
May 20, 2009
#12
Hmm……yeah. This seemed like a good idea at the time but…not many people prefer LOTR and D&D to Halo and Star Wars/ Star Trek, 40K, etc.
So sad. Course, it’s depressing seeing the fools who think that D&D can even hope to compare to the might of LOTR. *wicked smile*
May 21, 2009
#13
So, I found this on Wikipedia, referring to the book, “Deities and Demigods”. It’s a D&D book.
“The current edition contains only four pantheons:
* A condensed Greyhawk pantheon meant for insertion into any game world (“Core D&D Pantheon”)
* Greek Mythos and Heroes (“Olympian Pantheon”), among them: Zeus, Aphrodite, Apollo, Hades, Nike, Pan, Poseidon and Tyche
* Egyptian Mythos (“Pharaonic Pantheon”), among them: Re-Horakthy (Amun-Ra), Anubis, Apep, Bast, Hathor, Isis, Set and Ptah
* Norse Mythos (“Asgardian Pantheon”), among them: Odin, Balder (Baldr), Frey, Freya, Frig (Frigga), Odur, Sif, Skade, Thor, Thrym and Uller”
May 21, 2009
#14
“Course, it’s depressing seeing the fools who think that D&D can even hope to compare to the might of LOTR. *wicked smile*”
D&D has numerous deities and demi-gods to match and/or surpass that of the Valar. Your statement is as empty as space vacum. For every Balrog, there is a Pit Fiend, or Balor. For every Gandalf, there is an Elminister. For every Sauron, there is a Vecna. For every Witch King, there is a Tarasque. For every Dragon in Middle Earth, there are HUNDREDS of dragons in D&D.
…all this is just discussing the “core” D&D. We are not even talking about the other campaign settings like Forgotten Realms, Eberron, Greyhawk, Dragonlance, Dark Sun, Ravenloft, etc.
D&D is just much more epic. Sure, Tolkien’s ceation is the great originator, but in my point of view it will still get steamrolled by the fantasy role-playing gorgon.
May 21, 2009
#15
But, you forget about the Orcs and Uruks. They may not be that good against Dragons, Demons etc. but they can be created through the use of dead Elves and Men. It would be similar to trying to fight zombies by throwing millions of pistol armed soldiers at them. The Balrogs are nearly impossible to kill, the Dragons? Ha!! Try getting arrows through a full on diamond protection similar to what Smaug from the Hobbit had, except it covers them fully. You forget the Trolls, the Hobbits, the Eagles, the Watcher(More perhaps?), the Ents, etc.
D&D may have more beings than LOTR but, quantity over quality leads to lots of dead D&Dites.
May 21, 2009
#16
You do realize that D&D is partly based on Lord of the Rings, right? That means D&D has everything LOTR has and more. They’ve got Orcs, Elves, Gnomes, even Hobbits (but they’re called halflings now). Oh and your metaphor about the zombies? It doesn’t work when D&D actually HAS zombies, vampires, liches, and thousands of Necromancers.
Balrogs? The Balor is based off of them, and I can tell you there’s more than just 9. Trolls? Not made of stone, but they regenerate so well there’s not much difference.
There’s also Ents, as well, not to mention all the Dragons. There are several species of Dragon, and not all of them breathe fire: acid, ice, lightning, and poison are quite common. Oh, and most, if not all, Dragons can cast spells.
I’m sorry, but D&D is really powerful. One of the few games I know of in which a player can train hard enough to actually become a deity and challenge the gods.
May 21, 2009
#17
Yeah, I guess I’ll have to concede on this…..damn. I can’t really think of any other fantasy universe like LOTR that doesn’t dwarf it. =(
May 22, 2009
#18
Lord of the Rings(and the other books like the Hobbit, Silmarrilion, etc) might be the one of the originals and arguably the best fantasy stories but they are unfortunatly one of the weaker ones in terms of fighting power too, as many other fantasies have taken ideas from them(orcs, hobbits, etc) and used them in thier own fantasy stories along with lots of other things. Plus they often make thier own versions much stronger then the original versions, e.g. orcs from Warhammer are a lot stonger and more powerful then orcs in LOTR.
May 22, 2009
#19
*sigh* Why, why, do I have to love all the old universes?!?!? Oh wait, it’s because they are much better than the others isn’t it? They are in fact, the ORIGINALS. =P
May 24, 2009
#20
“*sigh* Why, why, do I have to love all the old universes?!?!? Oh wait, it’s because they are much better than the others isn’t it? They are in fact, the ORIGINALS. =P”
Apples and oranges. I like both, but prefer Apples. Its not really fair to say one is better than the other when there are people out there that prefer Oranges instead..
May 25, 2009
#21
Lotr: look, they send one solider agianst us, what fools!
Dugeon master: If you roll a 10 or higher you cast the spell of ultimate death.
Solider: I don’t think that’s a real spell…
Dugeon master: who gives a fu(k? I’m the dugeon master, now roll!
(solider rolls 11)
Lotr troops die because dugeon master can do whatever they want.
May 25, 2009
#22
Meh, I’ll take Warcraft or Warhammer over D & D any day.
May 26, 2009
#23
“Meh, I’ll take Warcraft or Warhammer over D & D any day.”
I would agree with you, with the exception of this Dungeons and Dragons gem:
http://www.vintagecomputersnparts.com/catalog/images/shatlanF.jpg
Ill take that fantasy world over any other any day.
June 7, 2009
#24
I miss my old menotaur Eric the thorax thrasher he kicked ass and was to dumb to take names. D&D for the win LOTR was the originator but D&D was the innovator.
Actualy norse mytholigy was the originator but whatever you get the point.
September 28, 2009
#25
I’d like to say that LotR would take this, but the worlds set up by D&D is just set up for victory here.
Compare how the respective universes are handled. Lord of the Rings takes place in a waning age, where the majority of the strongest beings are either long gone or weaker than they ever were. In Dungeons and Dragons, there are multiple worlds filled to the brim with all sorts of heroes, mages, demigods, monsters, and other craziness. It wouldn’t be as epic as a gaming realm if there wasn’t.
In Lord of the Rings, magic is very low-key, always treated as mysterious and mystical. We’re never even really shown how the magic works, what it’s capable of, or what its limitations are. In D&D, magic is everywhere, like freaking water. You can’t go for a stroll in the park without running into a dragon or tripping over an enchanted gem.
In LotR, magic items are only in the possession of elves, maiar, and other arcanely intuitive beings, rarely even seen by common folk. In D&D, items of great and sometimes astounding power are practically a dime a dozen at your local general store.
LotR is a fairly contained story of only the main three novels, the Hobbit, and the Silmarillion, focusing on a comparably small number of main heroes and story arcs. With D&D, not only is their a vast amount of potential and worldbuilding in the games, but they literally HIRE authors to write huge extended series, such as Salvatore’s ridiculously long but quite enjoyable Drizzt multiseries, most of which are by themselves longer than the books of Lord of the Rings put together.
By its very nature as the adventures of a group of mostly non-magical people in a magical world, LotR is intentionally balanced to focus on characterization and storytelling rather than huge, overloaded powers. D&D is supposed to be an overpowered and fantastic romp through an overpowered world. Though I very much like RPGs and enjoy the overall experience, in the end the core theme of the genre is to build up the most fantastically supermagical character you can and explore a supermagical world with them.
The Lord of the Rings is a bastion of High Fantasy, a huge wellspring of the ideals that compose a huge piece of modern fiction, and D&D probably owes the majority of its content to Tolkien’s work, but in a combat situation, LotR simply cannot complete with roleplaying lunacy.