I support this nomination, so seven nominations for link/cloud.

Dante was never canonicly killed in anything. He was hurt. He has resurection orbs, sure, but those only work three times. He has 3 invulnerability items, but that could be Dispelled with Cloud’s dispell spell. And he has been seen to be capable of dieing in each and every game he is in. It is 100% possible for Dante to die if hit repeatedly with a sharp pointy object. In the DMC canon it just hasn’t happened enough times before he could recover from it.

Every time he heals it takes some energy out of him, which is seen when his life meter goes down. He heals the wound but the energy it takes to heal is deminished. Once that reserve of energy is gone, he can no longer heal and he then dies.

STOP CLAIMING THAT HE IS TRUELY IMMORTAL AND INVULNERABLE! DANTE CAN DIE!

Additionally he has been beaten.Vergil beat him once in DMC3, once in DMC1, and once more in the DMC3 Manga if I recall correctly. Mundus beat Dante down at the end of the 3rd Mundus fight, only Trish’s interferance allowed Dante to survive that one. Sid, with the power of Abigale, beat Dante in the Anime. Even Nero surprised Dante and managed to impale him. Dante is not unbeatable. He is not unkillable. He is not invulnerable (3 exceptions but they do not last long and never for more than 60 seconds at a time without the use of items).

Resurection even means: to rise from the dead. Your use of the word impies that he has died several times.

haha damn. okay even though i think it is unfair, team 1 wins. dante is still a hell of a lot cooler though

you idiots DANTE is a immortal half human being link and cloud will die if they face dante. KRATOS has the strongest weapon the blade of olympus no one can’t stand to KRATOS he can even kill ZEUS.the most powerful god.

link and cloud will vanish if kratos use the power of the blade of olmypus he will get the power of the heavens and earth.dante can kill any one he will only use the force edge and the amulet of his mother and father. link and cloud will be weak if dante throw them the neo generator. no one can stand a chance to a god of war and a devil that can kill ZEUS and satan.haha!
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@originalA
i see many flaws with what you say. first off cloud has to have that materia (which if you go by most recent incarnate, he doesn’t even use magic), two you have no idea if cloud’s magic can even effect kratos or dante, after all dante is half demon, demons aren’t phased by non-light magic in just about every video game there is except final fantasy. plus in the time cloud would take to cast that dante could warp in and bullet spam his face thus killing him leaving link to face the two alone, same instance if he tried time stop. PLUS let’s not forget dante is in fact nearly unkillable after DMC4, gameplay is not cannon so it is not a factor. and the fact that with yamato (DMC4 again) he can attack anything from any distance away (remember that hell gate he slashed in half?) i’m not saying dante is invincible cause in his current state he’s not, but, in his current state he could whoop cloud or link alone, them together just means he’ll have more of a challenge, or he can just let kratos handle link while he pwns the crap outta cloud.

@lokiohn
*epic facepalm*
this is current incarnations, not composites genius. meaning it’s spirit tracks link and advent children cloud vs god of war 2 kratos and DMC4 dante. team 1 is screwed.
dante can chronomanipulate
light arrows won’t even hit dante, he’s a bullet timer.
link is tiny, and slow because of his small stature.
for cloud to use omnislash he has to hit the opponent first. so he’d have to go after kratos.
link would get easily bullet spammed, as would cloud while he fights kratos.
not to mention dante has royal block, which blocks ANYTHING!
so i’m sorry but team 2 wins.

@originalA
double standards? i think not. dante is the same throughout all 4 games, he retains all his abilities, he just chooses not to use them, thats called CIS last time i checked.

and ok i guess, overlooked crisis core, although i don’t recall cloud being a bullet timer, i remember him using his huge sword to block a bullet but other than that his only bullet timer ability is omnislash V5. plus if you’re talking about sephy, he’s not a bullet timer either, as neither have shown bullet timer capabilities. unless you can provide a source?

“meaning it’s spirit tracks link ” Hey that is toon link, not link.

“Where does it say these are current characters, the picture of Link is clearly from OoT”
It is a general rule that characters are the most recent incarnations are used unless specified otherwise… I think. The picture probably wasn’t an indicator to which link was used.

You guys are retards. You don’t understand how fast dante is at all. Cloud can dodge bullets whoopdie doo, Dante would shoot at him he would dodge and dante would teleport next to him and he’d be gone. Do you have any idea how fast Dante is at all? Not only that but he’s been shot in the head, stabbed through the spine, been crushed. And, he didn’t even die. Not to mention Devil Trigger, and Final Devil Trigger, which when he is in them he moves about one point five hundredth light speed, a mathematic equation for dante vs sephy. Dante has shown greater strength than all of them as of picking up the savior basically i giant floating two hundred ton object, and thrown it off into the distance, Dante sealed Satan in the underworld, Dante could take both link and cloud without even having to go into devil trigger. Dante has guns that never reload, Pandora’s box, that alone would kill them, royal guard… blocks ANYTHING, and then COUNTERS WITH A ONE HIT KILL, Dante has the ability to stop time for a short period of time…. Link and cloud wouldn’t even be able to take him by themselves let alone with Kratos as well.

who ever thought of this match made bad teams. to characters that have access to invulnerability one the same team? wow.

haha. I just realized how big a fanboy i sounded there lol. I have actually changed a lot from then.

“You guys are retards. You don’t understand how fast dante is at all. Cloud can dodge bullets whoopdie doo, Dante would shoot at him he would dodge and dante would teleport next to him and he’d be gone. Do you have any idea how fast Dante is at all? Not only that but he’s been shot in the head, stabbed through the spine, been crushed. And, he didn’t even die. Not to mention Devil Trigger, and Final Devil Trigger, which when he is in them he moves about one point five hundredth light speed, a mathematic equation for dante vs sephy. Dante has shown greater strength than all of them as of picking up the savior basically i giant floating two hundred ton object, and thrown it off into the distance, Dante sealed Satan in the underworld, Dante could take both link and cloud without even having to go into devil trigger. Dante has guns that never reload, Pandora’s box, that alone would kill them, royal guard… blocks ANYTHING, and then COUNTERS WITH A ONE HIT KILL, Dante has the ability to stop time for a short period of time…. Link and cloud wouldn’t even be able to take him by themselves let alone with Kratos as well.”
Mine. lol.

Yeah it is. It’s like what in the fuck were we thinking???

bloody sword*

Take a note kids. This is what happens when your up at 3 am… you cannot type for the life of yourself.

“Wait, I don’t really understand how Cloud can ignore Quicksilver.”

Cloud can equip himself with materia in such a way that he cannot be negatively effected by time altering attacks like Quicksilver or the Bangle of Time.

@ Ninavask: Read the previous comments. Cloud cannot be effected by time altering spells, but Dante and Kratos can be. Cloud can keep them stuck in stopped time for most of the match while he and Link are free to pound on them to their hearts content. removing the head of either of Team 2 shouldn’t be beyond Cloud or Link’s abilities and neither member of Team 2 could come back from that.

Polymorph spells, death spells, and high damage spells would also be effective against Team 2 and Team 1 can be under the protection of Cloud’s Shield spell which should be able to protect them from just about everything Team 2 could throw at them and the kitchen sink, and most of what it doesn’t out right block wil HEAL them.

This is what happens when you don’t read the previous posts. You think a topic that had 400+ comments didn’t already have people coming saying that Team whichever was going to get curbstomped without giving a damned good reason? Trust me there have been plenty and they have been rebuffed. You want Team 2 to win then give a reason because as it stands Team 1 is nigh invincible, controls time, and can stripe Team 2 of everything that makes them awesome, and they aren’t going to lose because they hold all of the best cards.

Speaking of which, this match still doesn’t have the FP award?

Cloud and Link for the nomination.

Saddly I’ve been saying most of this since about post 50 on the first page.

+1 nomination for Link and Cloud for the reasons previously stated. Wish I’d got here sooner so as to actually be able to contribute, instead of just regurgitate what’s already been said.

“Cloud can equip himself with materia in such a way that he cannot be negatively effected by time altering attacks like Quicksilver or the Bangle of Time.”

Couldn’t he just use a Ribbon and use the materia for other, more offensive things? Or is that game mechanics?

Also, does Cloud get his summons? Might be considered outside help, but if he does, even more reason to root for Team 1.

“Ribbon might work, but I forget exactly what it could do in detail in FF7″

In FF7 it makes the wearer immune to pretty much every status effect in the game. Although, now that I think about it, it doesn’t protect against Stop, which would leave him vulnerable to Dante’s time stopping stuff. He’d need an Added Effect + either Time (or whatever the Materia that gives you Haste, Slow and Stop is called) or Hades in his armour for that. So yeah, never mind the Ribbon.

The materia setup gives the character special attributes aside from stat changes. The stat changes probably are game mechanics, and I don’t factor those in. What I do factor in is the fact that Added Effect linked with Time in a set of armor gives Cloud immunity from negative chrono manipulation. That is the purpose of Added Effect; that is what it does.

I’ve already said, some 200+ posts back, that the arbitrary titleing a fight a “boss battle” has no bearing on what that creature is weak or immune to. Aside from that both Dante and Kratos have been shown, in their own canon, to be effected by chrono manipulation. There are bosses in FF7 that you can cast Death on and kill them (although it isn’t possible to have the Death spell before fighting them unless you cheat). Same with Stop. Slow is actually the #1 most common weakness of all enemy characters; bosses or not.

You can’t just assume that team 2 will be immune to everything Cloud can dish out just because bosses tend to be immune to most of it too. They are two seperate things.

Should we assume Dante’s time stop won’t work on Team 1? Because that doesn’t work against DMC 1 bosses either.

No, that would be wrong. And that would be wrong because the DMC 1 bosses are the exception, not the rule. The rule is that the Bangle of Time is a time stopping artifact, and the exception is is that the bosses in DMC 1 can resist it.

Here the rule is that Cloud has a time stop and there are no proven expections to that for Team 2. They are screwed over by it. The rule is that Cloud has several incapacitating spells that Team 2 have no proven immunity to. We don’t assume they are immune to it for the sake of them to not get roflstomped. For this same reason we don’t assume Master Chief won’t spilt Splazors from his eyes and Needlers from his ass just to give him an edge in a fight; there isn’t canon evidence behind it.

If you want to say that Team 2 won’t be effected by that stuff then do your homework, look it all up, and prove it with the evidence to support your conclusion. Don’t just write it off as some “boss battle” bullshit. Prove it!

For the record, when this previously came up I did admit that Death might not work against them due to lacking evidence that it would work against them and the fact that it is a rather common immunity. I might bring it back up later if the fight turns sour for Cloud and Link and I need a new weapon to bring to the battle, but for now it is just another overkill weapon in a quick and clean battle. And if you couldn’t tell from my tone of post, I REALLY don’t like the “boss battle” arguement. Mostly because it is a baseless piece of bullshit that would give Team 2 an unfair, and non canon, edge, but also because the last time it came up I spent far too many posts beating the idiot over the head with why we don’t allow Team 2 to be immune to things that in their own home canons they are weak to.

The aggrivated tone of post is nothing personal. You just pushed one of my berserk buttons. Sorry.

Or, you know, All meteria + Master Magic materia = instant Death on all enemies with one spell cast. That’d work too.

Final Attack + Phoenix might come in handy too, on the off chance that Kratos or Dante get a hit in… if we’re giving Cloud his summons, that is. For any who don’t know, that means that if Cloud should die, he casts Phoenix after death, which bathes his enemies in flame, and revives himself and the rest of his party (in this case, Link) with full health. He can only do this a certain number of times per battle, limited to the level of his materia.

If we are giving Cloud his summons, why stop there? Knights of the Round and Bahamut Zero (or, from Advent Children, Bahamut SIN) could be some good extra muscle, Added Effect + Hades on his weapon (if not used in his armour, or even if it is if Cloud has taken the time to Master it and duplicate it) could potentially inflict every status effect in FF7 with each and every strike, and then we got the lower-level ones that are still sometimes useful like Kjata (attacks with every element at once), Titan (flips a huge chuck of ground that Cloud’s enemies are standing on completely over), and Odin (insta-kills anything not immune to the Death status effect, and spears anything that is). Giving Cloud his summons makes this a HUGE roflstomp in Team 1′s favour.

@OA

No problem about the aggravated tone. Now I get what you mean because last night I did remember slow working on a few bosses.

It seems like a Team 1 stomp because of all you’ve brought up but my inner fan-boy doesn’t want to see either member of team 2 (especially Dante) lose to Link when Cloud is the one seemingly doing all the work in the fight. Better hit that inner fan-boy over the head with a bat then to calm it down! lol

Cloud can stop time, become nigh invulnerable, instantly kill both of his enemies, auto resurect himself and Link when either dies, and polymorph Team 2 into harmless forms. Team 1 is not winning just because of a Time Stop. Time Stopping is just the most effective option and requires the least amount of effort on Team 1′s part; it is called fighting smart.

What you want is a handicap match because neither Dante nor Kratos can stand up to Cloud’s increadibly powerful materia.

The very fact that you are insisting that Team 1 should not use some of their spells/equipment/abilities/items/any-and-everything at their disposal in an attempt to even the battlefield and give Team 2 a chance at victory is synonymous to Team 2′s inability to defeat Team 1 when they are using full access to all of what they have access to in their canons.

Who the hell cares if it is a “pussy” move. Team 2 are stuck in time and Team 1 just cut off their heads. Whoever fights more effectively wins. Why? Because the other side cannot survive it.

As sumed up in the TvTropes page for The Combat Pragmatist, “Some fights have rules. Others don’t but a lot of people will still fight as though there are rules.” This fight has only a few rules, and both sides have complied with them, and according to those rules Team 1 gets to stop time and royally fuck Team 2 into oblivion.

You wish at add additional rules inorder to hinder Team 1′s ability to win and enhance Team 2′s ability to win, but you have No Right to make such rules (that right is given only to Admin and the Match Suggestor).

So who is the cowerd. The combat pragmatists who use effective weapons to render their enemies harmless, or the other guys who have to make sure that their enemies are handicaped inorder to get a “fair” fight.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheCombatPragmatist

And that plumber could kick Kratos’s ass from one end of the universe to the other inbetween go-kart races with royalty and golfing with a monster that survived the end of the universe and the big bang. Also Kratos fought Link; Link won (WW incarnation).

how would they even hurt kratos he has the powers of a god and dante cant die