Seriously, why am I the only one who commented on this?

well i knw tht krogans r powerful like brutes but i think the krogans would win as they thrived in extreme conditions and amongst other things

Krogans have biotics,which is like a weak version of the force,and much more advanced weaponry,as they can’t run out ammo.

Well brutes have claws and they stand 8 to nine feet tall.
They were born on a planet with twice the gravity of earth’s.
They are able to over-power a spartan in mjolnir armour, and they just f*ck up the elites in hand to hand combat.
They are easily able to flip over a warthog, and lift an elite (about 300 lbs) and spartan in mjolnir armour (1,000 lbs) with one hand along with marines.

every krogan must also go throught this rite of passage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJnoj4lDH4M

its a bit long, however it also show some biotics which the krogan, will bring to the battle.

krogans win relatively easily

better armour better weapons biotics…….oh and biotics arent a weak version of the force…they are quite different…while the jedi and sith masters are able to do better things with the force than what mass effect people can.. biotics are better in the way that many many lifeforms know how to use it . And in combat situations like when your enemy is behind cover there are techniques that can blow the cover away or suck the enemy and and loose objects(anything from crates to small vehicles) to a point of their choosing and the enemy is paralyzed…

easy win for krogan

I’m definitely going with Brutes here. Krogans are really powerful, but with an average Brute being able to overpower a Spartan in MJOLNIR, I’m going with them.

lol the avereage infantry in mass effect is like a spartan in mjolnir..

krogan are almost impossible to paralyze
they grew up on possibly the most hazardus)?( environment in existence
there skin is so thick it is almost invulnerable to cuts scrapes and contusions
they have 240 degree vision due to the set of there eyes
weaponry far outmatches brutes
armour and shields(up to 4) are capable of stopping projectiles that are farmore advanced than anything halo could think of inventing

going to have to go with krogans here

Whilst Mass Effect space technology is vastly inferior to even the UNSC equivelant, Mass Effect small arms and infantry in general are precisely what Halo era weapons should have been. Here are some quotes from the Mass Effect novel “Mass Effect Revelation”:

“At least they were going in heavy. Every member of the ground team was wearing body armor equipped with fully charged kinetic shield generators, as well as three-quarters visored headgear. They each carried half a dozen grenades and the Alliance’s standard issue Hahne-Kedar G-912 assault rifle. The ammo clip on each weapon held over four thousand rounds; miniature pellets smaller than grains of sand. When fired at sufficient velocity, the nearly microscopic projectiles were capable of inflicting massive damage.”

“A few stray bullets had penetrated the kinetic barriers protecting her torso only to ricochet off the heavy plates of her body armor, inflicting no damage beyond small dents and discolorations. But her right leg, where the armor was thinner and the highest concentration of fire had drained the shields, had been reduced to pulp and hamburger.”

“At point-blank range the rounds from Saren’s assault rifle sheared off half of the guy’s head.”

“He approached the first one carefully, then relaxed when he say clear evidence that the man was truly dead: six finger-sized holes in a tight pattern showed where the close-range blast of a scatter gun had torn through the front of his protective vest, creating a single fist-sized hole as the rounds exited his back.”

“As they rolled together on the ground Skarr leveraged the barrel of his gun under his adversary’s chin and pulled the trigger, removing most of everything above the neck.”

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In this context individual Scattergun (which are relativistic shotgun pellets) grains demonstrate the properties of 7.26 mm rounds, whilst Assault Rifle rounds are somewhere in the .50 to 20mm caliber range (20-200 Kj) in terms of momentum, damage and penetration; and are capable of firing in the order of somewhere between 15-20 rounds per second resulting in megajoules of damage in a single burst.

In comparison, the Brute standard issue Type-25 Carbine (otherwise known as the Spiker) fires a 15 gram metallic spike at 70 meters per second for 36 joules of kinetic energy at an effective range of 40 meters; I am not fucking kidding you, these are the statistics from Bungie themselves, including the weight of the spike and muzzle velocity. You heard it here first, the Brute standard issue firearm (which is larger than most modern assault rifles) has an inferior effective range, muzzle velocity and kinetic energy output than the M9 9×19mm Parabellum pistol.

OK, OK, I’ll move up the scale. Let’s look at the Covenant Carbine! Surely that has to work? Oh for fuck sake…

100 grams (not bad), 600 meter effective range (uh oh…) and a muzzle velocity of 700m/s (oh come on!); which results in a kinetic energy rating of 24Kj, not bad, but we’re still looking at a weapon that is just about on par with an M16.

Brutes are no doubt physically superior to the Krogans (the general disparity seems so on the first glance), but Mass Effect infantry posses far superior firearms to their Halo counterparts; in fact it would be a miracle if basic Brute small arms could even penetrate a standard kinetic barrier.

also the wikia states that if given enough time the mass effect weapons can launch a projectile the size of a paint chip with enough force to equal a nuclear blast

What a warbling mess of half arsed and unquantifiable wiki regurgitation.

1) First things first, I’m not even going to touch the Covenant, the Covenant would violate the Systems Alliance so badly that they would have to create an entirely new term for the level of sodomy involved.

I just thought I would that out there for a warning for everyone.

2) “as far as i can gather the smallest of the heavy destroyers in mass effect can deliver a 2kg round at force which on impact equals 3 times that of the hiroshima bomb and it can deliver one of these shots once every 2 seconds.”

A UNSC vessel can fire a 600 ton slug at 0.4c (ref. Halo Encyclopedia), an event one billion times more energetic than the Hiroshima bomb, whilst smaller Frigates can fire slugs every three to five seconds at megaton levels.

3) “also regarding space capabilities… the wikia states that when the humans discovered refined element zero it enabled research into ftl drives before the charon relay was discovered..”

This tells us nothing, after all slipspace exists entirely for this purpose.

4) “the dreadnaughts are approximately 1 kilometer long”

Heavier UNSC warships often exceed 1.17 kilometers, whilst the heaviest Super-Carriers can be built up to three kilometers in length.

5) “the smallest of these approx 800m is capable of launching the 2kg projectile at a velocity of 12640km/s each slug has the kinetic energy of 38 kilotons..”

Orders of magnitude beneath the capabilities of the UNSC.

6) “there are at least 82 of these with more being constructed……they are also limited in how many each race can make because each is classed as a wmd”

The UNSC can build 70 ships in a month, from just Earth, as a low end. After their largest territorial production facilities were razed to the ground by the Covenant no less.

7) “Disruptor torpedoes are powered projectiles with warheads that create random and unstable mass effect fields when triggered. These fields warp space-time in a localized area. The rapid asymmetrical mass changes cause the target to rip itself apart. these are the main weapons against a larger ship however they are slow and need to be used at close range.”

Let me quote the codex for you.

“In flight, torpedoes use a mass-increasing field, making them too massive for enemy kinetic barriers to repulse. The extra mass gives the torpedoes a very sluggish acceleration, making them easy prey for defensive GARDIAN weapons. So, torpedoes have to be launched at very close range.”

Again, these are kinetic barriers that struggle to repulse 38 kiloton slugs, so disruptor torpedoes clearly aren’t operating the same ball park as UNSC missile systems (such as Archers, which can swarm enemy vessels by the thousand).

But perhaps if they actually manage to hit a vessel utilizing superior accelerations, given how halo ships are bigger and more durable (capable of surviving 1250G accelerations, collisions with Covenant destroyers, plasma weapons etc) than Systems Alliance vessels, they’re likely going to be less effective at the job.

8A) “the javelin are essentially the same as the disruptor topedoes however tese are made to stick to the surface of an enemies ship and aftera precise amount of time all activated warheads explode at once which make the time/space effect much greater.”

This tells us nothing.

8B) “http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Disruptor_torpedoes#Weapons:_Disruptor_Torpedoes”

Neither does this.

L-W that pile of text is off topic and pointless.

First, this is a normal Krogan vs a Brute Minor so the Krogans would’nt have biotics on their side so it would come down to melee and armed combat.

Mass Effect has more advanced wepons than the UNSC and slightly has an advantage against the Covenant, but would they get to pick their own wepons? I know that a Brute Minor is’nt allowed to weild a gravity hammer until he reaches the rank of Chieften or higher, so is this the same for the Krogans? The same with armour, a Brute Minor is given weak armour what a single SRS 99D AM round can penitrate and kill the Brute. If im correct in thinking it is the same, then i say it is more equaly balanced.

“L-W that pile of text is off topic and pointless.”

Try and keep up Son, you’re letting the rest of the short bus down.

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@ Cyborg
i think he was talking to Bryntroll but whatever

anyways I think that Krogans would win against brutes
because the only weapon i can think of that can do significant damage to a Krogan is the gravity hammer and only cheiftans get those

(feel free to correct me guys )

Brutes FTW

Size, technology,and pure awesomeness.

@ Zach

There really is no hope for you is there?

y is there always some guy screaming BLAH BLAH BLAH FTW!!!!? its like a temporal loop hole where that action must be fulfilled.

@cyborg Ninja
lol zach got WTFPWNed that was funny to see

oh shit wrong link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railgun

soz me sleepy

in mass effect the only limiting factor to their weapons firepower is recoil. and nothing else, they could in theory build a planet busting handgun, but the recoil would also be enough to bust a planet. hence the reason they dont have really broken weapons.

thats kinda funny but they arent as stupid as you think they are. T-T

Neither side has much in the way of space forces, the krogan lost theirs in the rebellions while the brutes never built nor owned ships, they just borrowed the covenant’s.

The problem with plasma weaponry is that it runs into both the kinetic barriers and the ablative armor. Plasma bolts must first push through the kinetic screen, a gravity based repulsion barrier that can resist hypersonic projectiles and occasionally anti-vehicle warheads. After that, ablative armor, designed to resist high temperatures and heavy impacts, would be impossible to penetrate without repeated hits. The armor also makes it impossible to parboil the krogan in his armor. The system also works very well against thrown grenades above a certain velocity, such as brute shots, and heavy projectiles, such as spiker needles.

Standard kinetics, however, can put alot of hurt on target in a reasonable amount of time. The primary restraint to mass accelerator weapons is the ability to absorb recoil. Mass effect fields can mitigate these limitations but recoil will always be an issue. Krogans have been known to utilize weaponry that could shatter human arms, the claymore shotgun for example. This puts their weaponry above human kinetics which were effective against brutes.

Krogan biology is also far more durable than anything the covenant has, being on par with flood infected forms but far more intelligent. They’re resistant to NBC warfare to the point of devastating their world with a nuclear war and still thriving, one shaman saying the cataclysm was a good thing. Over time, they also adapted to the genophage that crippled their reproduction. The redundant nerve system makes them immune to pain while still being fully aware of the damage they’ve sustained. This sidesteps the berzerk tendencies that other organics show when they feel no pain. Krogans have multiple redundancies for all vital organs while possessing regenerative traits which, in rare cases, be tactically significant. The hump on the back does the same thing a camel’s hump does, storing nutrients and fluids for long stretches without food or water, very handy logisticaly where supplies may be difficult to procure. To top it all off, the crest on the forehead is damn near armor in and of it’self.

Brutes are big, strong, and tend to go berserk at the drop of a hat. They don’t seem to feel pain and die from a point blank grenade. Very good foor low tech combat, but complex battles require something more than pure agression.

Krogans have evolved since the genophage, putting more emphasis on economy of force rather than sending in enough bodies that the enemies drown in the blood of the slain. Given that each krogan can have centuries to refine his craft, it comes to no surprise that krogans are always in demand as mercenaries.

Brutes still have trouble with the concept of cover sometimes…

If you put a krogan battle master against a brute chieftain, the chieftan is going to charge in with the grav hammer only for the battlemaster to remove gravity. Can anyone say turkey shoot?

krogans are probably just as strong as brutes as well

watch at 7:10min in, you will see a krogan lift and throw a large metal bulk head, that must several hundered pounds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ4TpywfWKA&feature=related

yes choices you made in 1 effect number 2, most of the time is nothing major.

@Orpheus
doesnt change th efact that the Brutes would be up the creek without a paddle being royally BONED by the Krogan and i happen to like the brutes because without them there wouldnt be a halo 3 or an ODST just a slaughterfest with the elites being on your side

Would the Krogan get to pick his wepon? If im correct, the better wepons go to the higher you are in rank. Same with armour.

That said i think the Krogan would’nt be as good as everyone is saying he’ll be.

i just had the sudden urge to yell
KROGAN FTW!!!!
any and all brute supporters GTFO and take your FAIL with you

but srsly brute war Chieftains and Chieftains are the only brute that have a remote chance against Krogans

@crackshot and nintendopwns

“Would the Krogan get to pick his wepon? If im correct, the better wepons go to the higher you are in rank. Same with armour.

That said i think the Krogan would’nt be as good as everyone is saying he’ll be.”

“So would the brute so that’s null.”

you should read more, you two are in your own world and are ignoring everything but what you think. i already said that the krogan are spread out and dieing, most are mercenaries and they can have any weapon they buy find or loot, which would be anything in the mas effect small arms arsenal execpt spectre gear.

damn ya’ll r thick headed. the krogan can choose his weaponry, the brute usually cant have high end equipment. its simple hiearchy working against the brutes. not hard to understand.

Krogans aren’t quite dying. Yes, their fertility was reduced to 0.1% it’s normal rate, but these things bred like rats to begin with. It was like korean era chinese but with even cheaper gear (by mass effect standards) and immunity to pain.

Who’s that Krogan in the white armor in Mass Effect 2?

Actually, I just looked him up on the wiki. His name is Urdnot Grunt and he’s some kind of genetically engineered super soldier.

That Grunt. Grunt is a Krogan scientist’s answer to the Genophage. He is a clone of that is pure Krogan meaning he is one of the biggest and stongest alive. I’m playing Mass Effect 2 now and that’s all I got so far.

Oh yeah, and Grunt is apparantly an adolesent. As it says he is going through puberty.

grunt is made from the very finest krogan genetic material, however he still has the genophage since his creator believed, it was actually good for the krogan since it weeded out the weakest of their race.

Ha! I just saw Legion doing the robot!

@CPNJ

Saren tried that, the Krogans hated it.

@Shaun
The initial armor is silver, but you can get a black and red one later.

@Shaun

Sorry, had some trouble figuring out what you said.

First, this is a normal Krogan vs a Brute Minor so the Krogans would’nt have biotics on their side so it would come down to melee and armed combat.

most krogans in mass effect that you fight use biotics an most of them are average.

but after resarching the brutes a bit more, do beleive thay are more powerful than i thought they were,but i still stand that the krogans would be too much for them

A krogan is surprised to find himself thrown off a five story building by a brute. A Brute is surprised when said krogan marches back up for revenge.

Toughness is far more significant that raw strength.

yeah krogans for the FP award

….i count as 2 people because i am awesome