Current Justice League or ALL members?

Current JLA is:
-Doctor Light
-Firestorm
-Green Lantern (John Stewart)
-Plastic Man
-Red Tornado
-Vixen
-Zatanna

Thier is a spinter group and others,which i will be posting shortly.

Peaks always get confusing, and “interesting” might actually be a bit relative. Here you would have to put in elements like Rune Magic King Thor (which I think would trump all oponents), and Thorbuster Iron Man. Then we might have more confusing elements to consider such as the new Red Lantern Guy Gardener…

That hardly makes for an interesting fight in my opinion.

I’m not discarding the possibility, but as its not stated in the scenario we should stick to current incarnations first.

Wait, you are blurring the lines a bit TOO much.

Just because a character was part of the team and is still walking around current continuity, it doesn’t mean they ARE Justice League. I think that would fall within the realm of “Peak Discussion” rather than “Current Discussion”.

My opinion is, lets do current JLA/Dark Avenger rosters first. That is:

- Green Lantern (John)
- Doctor Light
- Plastic Man
- Firestorm
- Red Tornado
- Zatanna
- Vixen

vs.

- Iron Patriot
- Ares
- The Sentry
- Venom
- Bullseye
- Moonstone
- Daken

Once we come to a satisfied conclusion, we can jump of ALL elements at their peaks. No?

Oh i by no means meant their Black lantern incarnations.
simply that many Leaguers aren’t themselves.

Yeah,but i am pretty sure you mean the ultimates.
Not the current/canon avengers.

My bad…ultimates…avengers…crack…cocaine…

Still…don’t the Avengers have any animated show? Im stressing animated shows because

a) when they use canon in terms of abilities and such, they have more of a constantcy to them that the eu lacks…

b) i wanna see supes and batsy team up again…it’s been too long!

“HAVE YOU EVER DANCED WITH THE DEVIL BY THE PALE MOONLIGHT?”

The alternative is to simply wait until Blackest Night and The Siege events resolve. I am pretty certain that both sides will be sorted out soon enough. It is very possible that we see the return of both sides’ “Trinity” heroes at the end of it all.

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I don’t get it.

Why does rule #1 is getting such a hard resistance here?

lets go with…

JLA
- Green Lantern (John)
- Doctor Light
- Plastic Man
- Firestorm
- Red Tornado
- Zatanna
- Vixen

vs.

Dark Avengers
- Iron Patriot
- Ares
- The Sentry
- Venom
- Bullseye
- Moonstone
- Daken

…and be done with it. Current flag-team vs. current flag-team. 7 vs. 7. How much cleaner cut can we get than this?

@Matapiojo: Thanks for clearing that up.

Seeing the current Roster for each, I would have to give it to the Dark Advengers. Of the group, the DAs have more power hitters and Bullseye. Also the fact they tend to kill makes this easier for them.

Yes, the Green Lantern will be very hard to deal with by any member of the Dark Avengers.

However, so would The Sentry for JLA. I am not 100% on how they would actually match-up, but those two are the only ones capable of dealing with the counterpart effectively.

As for the rest…

I can see Venom and Plastic Man squaring off. I would probably give that exchange to Venom, but I may not know all the details pertaining PM.

Then we have Firestorm. This guy is another power-hitter for the Justice League. I could see either Iron Patriot or Moonstone going after him. I’d probably give Moonstone the better chances, but I still am not 100% on that outcome.

If IP didn’t square with FS, then I can see Osborn going for Doctor Light. I know that Moonstone would have probably been a better match for her, but MS’s intangibility will be essential to fight FS, and the IP can still shield numerous attacs from the Dr. while still dealing a good amount of damage back.

Then we have the friggin god of war. I see Ares going ape-shit on Red Tornado. His tactical supremacy coupled with his incredible physical attributes, superior to most other Olympians, would be a good threat to the DC andriod. Wish he was fighting the Vision instead, but Ares is an epic fight regardless.

Vixes vs. Daken. The mutan’s healing factor and pheromone manipulation would likely be the deciding factor. However, I am against the wall wether or not these traits would be available for Vixen to mimic. While it could give her a great advatage, Daken still has the Murasama element in his claws. It is likely that he would win that exchange.

Finally, there is Zatanna. Aaaahhhhh, Zatanna. This is the ONE thing that the Dark Avengers would have NOTHING to counter. The only hope they have is to have Hawkeye overwhelm her with ranged attacks. Maybe he unleashes enough of them to actually land a lucky lethal shot. Not likely.

Like I said, I am not sure who would win this just yet. There are two very unpredictable elements to consider. Zatanna’s magic, and Sentry’s “Void” powers. Victory would be anyone’s guess once the fight gets to that point.

“I can see Venom and Plastic Man squaring off. I would probably give that exchange to Venom, but I may not know all the details pertaining PM.”

Everyone here knows Venom’s powers but I think you are seriously underestimating Plastic Man, he may not sound particually powerful but he’s actually quite a powerhouse:

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Patrick_O%27Brian_(New_Earth)

I’m not even sure if Vemon could even really hurt him whereas he could just grow giant and squish Venom like a bug.

So are we using the Dark Avengers? Well, my Marvel fanboyism wants me to give this to the Marvel team but I have difficulty seeing this happen.

Sentry might be able to beat most of the JLA listed by using his signiature move: “Throw them into the sun” but Zatanna, Firestorm and GL would be major problems.

i think sentry could probably take them both, but im probably underestimating zatanna

You are slightly off, Sam.

Ares is indeed well versed in magic, and he is inherently warded against many magic effects. However, he is still succeptible to powerful enchantments, and Zatanna is no slouch in this department.

I think she will be able to harm Ares, but I also think she will be fairly preocupied with the barrage Bullseye can lay on her. If the ruthless killer catches onto her spellcasting limitations, he could potentially neutralize her magics altogether. The man can unleash a rain of ranged attacks incredibly faster than her ability to cast.

Unless Z is preppared to deal with such an oponent ahead of time, something that doesn’t happen in Factpileverse, she WILL be caught off-guard.

@ To all smarter than me in the world of Comics

Does Team Marvel have any one able to go FTL speeds? I know, Green Lantern has such speed, plus with his power, he will be very hard to take down. I believe Sentry has such speed, but I can’t say for sure……

- the pondering fool

Those are the current teams? Dear lord, most of those people weren’t even B-listers in my day…

No opinion barring the choices of teams (Not on Mata’s part, on Marvels and DC’s) so I’ll leave this to the experts. Sentry does seem to be the deciding factor here, I presume hes gotten over his agoraphobia, because if not, Green lantern could supply a lovely little green box to trap him in.

I know sentry could likely burst out of that in seconds, but if he’s too busy hyperventilating then maybe not.

Of course, that only matters is Sentry still has those problems.

“@pf
the sentrys has such an abilities, and much much more, such as the ability to reform himself after being killed and completely destroyed, as far as has been revealed nothing can truly kill this guy (so far as i no)”

Thanks mate. And if he can truly reform from a total physical destruction…..eh, things don’t seem to look quite well for the Justice League. But doesn’t he have a weak mind? Or should I say, a mind that if very fragile at times? I remember in World War Hulk, it took quite a long time to convince him to help…..

- the pondering fool

“@ PF: Sentry is a schizophrenic, meaning that he has difficulties while fighting. He needs to use his vast psychic powers to keep the other personas in line, or else the Void will take over.”

Isn’t the Void the “anti-thesis” of the Sentry? Like his evil Half? That is quite unfortunate, having to use enormous amounts of will power in order to just keep control of your body……’

- the pondering fool

““I’m sooo awesome, and perfect at everything” like Superman.”

This is actually a common misconception about supes.
Despite being a flying brick,he has alot of conflicts.Mainly the fact that he has to hold-back constantly and dealing with people who are just massively powerful.

Isn’t Moonstone immune to magic? And personally, I think Sentry would smack down the Green Lantern pretty easily. Especially if the Void is unleashed, since it is uses a tendril that attacks the mind, causing them to experience past traumatic events. Since The Lantern’s powers are dependent on his confidence and will power (the same with Zatanaa) this would be a major problem for the two most powerful Avengers team mates.

Plus Ares is a major powerhouse.

@Jwlynas
he overcame his agoraphobia already and also with the box, thats claustrophobia
@pf
yes he reformed from total destrustion by morgan le fey, and reformed back at the base, he also can bring people back from the dead, as shown when he did this with his wife, and has been described as having “the power of 10 million exploding suns. And his power is not limited to any one capability, nor to only his concious mind.” plus he no longer requires the human necessities, more of a fun fact there

how is it that superman? thats gladiator right?

the avengers have the hulk and that’s something worth posting.

“either way i believe overall JLA has a slight advantage.”

Maybe, maybe not. You are overlooking how Daken’s power may influence the actions of the opposition. Also, bullseye may WTFOWN Zatanna’s ability to cast, if not outright kill her. Al it takes is for a couple of pebbles picked up from the street to her throat.

Ok this wont settle anything but to just set it straight:
JLA: Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Latern, Flash, Martian ManHunter, and Aquaman; Avengers: Capt. America, Ironman, Hulk, Thor, Giantman, Scarletwhich, and She Hulk.

These are undisputed members regardless or groups, issues, worlds, universes, etc.

These are the players and if head to head, things are naturally going to favor the JLA. Why? Lets be honest, they are a group and have been. Regardless of their individual powers and abilities, they will function as a group while the avenger, though powerful, are not totaly organized. For starters, who leads the avengers?
In the JLA side its so obvious who their leader is but for the avengers, the Cap has trouble keeping the others in-line, esp HULK. I worship the HULK and head to head with the SUP, I know HULK will win but as a group. The JLA is just too darn organized to take on regardless of anything else.

But I still wish the Avengers would KICK ARSE though! Go HULK!

This reminds me, the question we are asking is who would win in a fight? Analyzing the initial comments you would notice that everyone is basing their answers by pitting up individual superheroes from each side. We say “this group has this guy, that group doesnt/ they have magic, this group doesnt/ this guy can take on that guy, but no one from the other side can take on this guy/ this guy has infinite strength, that guy has infinite growth/ that guy’s black, this guy’s white.”

We seem to be judging the outcome by means of INDIVIDUAL powers and abilities if they were to fight one on one. If we say that, we might as well change the question to who would win in a fight individualy. Why dont we just change the question to who would win in a fight between the sup and the cap, bats and iron, wonderwoman and thor. To logicaly answer who would win you must look at the question in a general view. And if we still continue to base our answers as to who and how many members are in both groups, then I would like to suggest that we change the question to a more accurate one like:

1. who has a bigger boner? Giantman or Apache chief
2. who has a bigger rack? Wonderwoman or Spider-woman
3. who is harder, down there? Hulk or Superman
4. who is the bigger pimp? Tony Stark or Bruce Wayne
5. who gets off faster? Flash or Quicksilver
6. who has a hotter cousin you may want to bang? Superman or Capt. America
7. who can name 50 states and the capital cities faster? Martian man-hunter or venom
8. who gives the best head? Zatana or She Hulk
9. whos the bigger tool? The Steel or Thor
10. who would make better sushi? Aquaman or Namor
11. whos power would last longer? Green Lantern or the energizer bunny
12. whos louder? Black Cannary or Nancy Pelosi

you decide

Thor with Odin Power and Dr. Strange versus Ztanna