Suggested by Toastforbrains
While it’s common knowledge here that just about everything from the Warhammer 40K universe is typically overpowered when matched against other weapons and vehicles from other universes. However, where they have strength in the power, some sacrifices must be made. And that is how White Glint would win this match.
Sure the Imperator has a ton of weaponry. But unless it can hit it’s target first, White Glint is just too fast and that maneuverability is what will give it the victory.
What say you?





January 8, 2010
#1
Anyway, I nominate the Titan for the award if there are no more sensible arguments for White Glint.
January 8, 2010
#2
Name one fight that the crew itself was talked about in said match without Admin say so.
January 8, 2010
#3
“Name one fight that the crew itself was talked about in said match without Admin say so.”
Thats debateable. While the psyker is part of the crew, the effect is not anything like the crew is, the effect is another weapon. But fine, we’ll drop him. Would be stupid if that point, which is rather hard to define, halt the general discussion.
January 8, 2010
#4
That’s right talk about the machine not the crew. The machine alone can win this fight. But your understand putting Psykers in this fight does give the other side room to question the fighting abilities of Titan. Also to date minus the Chimera vs AT-AT fight the crew is not debated only the machines weapons and abilities are talked about.
January 8, 2010
#5
@ Mega
I’ll do better I’ll name two-
Dalek Saucer vs SSD (posts # 2 and 17 for example)
Pillar of Autumn vs Enterprise (post # 11 where L-W relates how crew reaction times of the Enterprise needed to be considered as to a MAC gun salvo)
/Leans on Mighty PImpcane./
You were saying, my fine sir?
January 8, 2010
#6
So you only found three posts good job
/Golfclaps
Dalek Saucer vs SSD
These two were meanless since only two comments only talked about the crew while the rest of said comment was really about L-W and the ships firepower. Hell these two comments looked like someone wanted more stars beside their name.
I think this is waht you were talking about in the Pillar of Autumn vs Enterprise
“If the Enterprise gets in the way of the cannon, not even with a crew of Data-like Androids could you feasibly react in time to maneuver.”
And by the sounds of it and the rest of the comment he was talking about how fast the MAC round was and that the Enterprise even if they had an Android piloting it couldn’t move the ship fast enough (Due to the fact the ship itself is not fast enough) to aviod a hit from the MAC round.
So yea you need to try harder next time.
Off the Topic I do need your help on something for a mouth or so I’m been looking up weapon and mech specs on Warhammer 40K weapons and mechs and it’s main wiki is zero help to me. Do you know a site that has 40k weapon specs
January 8, 2010
#7
Okay…… seem to having trouble reading this thread….
/Hit PS3 with baseball bat./
January 8, 2010
#8
LEAVE THE PS3 ALONE IT’S ME YOU WANT DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!!
January 8, 2010
#9
Mega these are your exact words – ” Name one fight that the crew itself was talked about in said match without Admin say so.”
- I still proved you wrong, BOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.
” So yea you need to try harder next time.”
- Nice comeback from being proven totally wrong, dude. I commend you.
In addition to crew being referenced -
Spirit of Motherwill vs Imperator Titan posts #5, 10, 11, 31, etc.
- This very thread as Beli argued that the AA will kill the crew.
“LEAVE THE PS3 ALONE ITāS ME YOU WANT DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!!
- Ummmm… the PS3 was having trouble pulling up the site man, calm the fuck down.
- However, since you seem so desperate to even give the White Glint a chance, very well, no psyker. So….. what are your arguments?
January 8, 2010
#10
“- Nice comeback from being proven totally wrong, dude. I commend you.”
I did in fact your examples were pissed poor to say the least in L-W’s comment he talked more about that the Ship wasn’t fast enough to avoid a MAC round and the other two were self evidence that they were trying to get more stars beside their name. The other thread pisses me off they hardly talked about the machines that is disgraciful to the mecha section.
“- However, since you seem so desperate to even give the White Glint a chance, very well, no psyker. Soā¦.. what are your arguments?”
WOW something tells me that you either can’t read or have a really bad memory. Let me refresh your really bad memory.
At Comment 14 I agreed with Admin that if the Titan can’t hit it than the WG has a slight advanage.
In Comment 17 I posted th parts hoping that would give an idea on what the WG can do or help out the AC fans who know about it can easily comment. (What can I say I love researching)
Comment 21 I checked the specs on the parts and find nothing ont eh wiki no specs what so ever. (Much like Warhammer specs can’t be FOUND which is causing me to question the mere fact is Warhammer really that powerful. I like the specs on their weapons PLEASE)
In comment 59 I replied to one of your talk idiot moment. Problem is that you didn’t get it.
So in Comment 62 I state that the WG only chance was up close and personel and even staed that the WG would lose in long range and mid range and that close range was the only chance even then it would still most likily lose but would have a better chance.
Hell in 64 I simplifed it so that a moron can understand it.
In 68 I explain that it is a desperate fight for WG and that is might end up trying to go through those shields or at least use it’s left hand to test how strong the shield is.
Here is what i said, “do to the danger of the shields you would slowly but still moving in a way so you donāt get hit touch the shield with the left hand of mech if anything to to test the shields. That is only way the White Glint would have a chance in this fight. It must get under those guns.”
At comment 85 I wondered why you bring up Psyker and that it’s wield that you don’t the abilties of the titan and be up outside help. In fact I asked Admin in that very comment to answer said question. In fact I was hoping that would be my final comment do to the fact at this time the Titan has the edge on weaponry and that Outside help In till I get a reply that is what I’m calling it.
So overall I’m only stating the only chance the WG has is to go up close and personal and try to get through those shields not do what you would think it would do and stand in the middle of nowhere with it’s thumb up it’s ass. Even if finds out it can go through the shields mostly by accident it still will not win and if you read my comments you would see that. Not once I state that it would win I was only stating what it need to do to have a chance.
Sometimes Kenny if you want to grow military tatics wise if need to fight battles you can not easily win.
āLEAVE THE PS3 ALONE ITāS ME YOU WANT DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!!
“- Ummmm⦠the PS3 was having trouble pulling up the site man, calm the fuck down. ”
Kenny the only person that needs to calm down is you because that was self evidence that it was a joke. Which you didn’t get (Suprise suprise)
January 8, 2010
#11
Ahhh… there’s the side of Mega I know, the flamer-boy who has to retreat to insults to make himself feel like he’s winning.
“The other thread pisses me off they hardly talked about the machines that is disgraciful to the mecha section.”
- /Begins to play tiny violin./
“WOW something tells me that you either canāt read or have a really bad memory. Let me refresh your really bad memory.”
- Yes…. let the anger flow.
“In comment 59 I replied to one of your talk idiot moment. Problem is that you didnāt get it.”
- I understood your post, I just found fault with it, not everything you post automatically must be considered truth and everyone that disagrees is “stupid.” Thereby leading me to make fun of your comment with a sarcastic “Itās a good joke my friend.”
“Sometimes Kenny if you want to grow military tatics wise if need to fight battles you can not easily win.”
- Or not win at all……
“Kenny the only person that needs to calm down is you because that was self evidence that it was a joke. Which you didnāt get (Suprise suprise)”
- Guess it was a terrible joke. Ha-Ha. I can see your point though.
- Flamer wars are fun!
Anyway, FP award for Titan.
January 8, 2010
#12
“Ahhh⦠thereās the side of Mega I know, the flamer-boy who has to retreat to insults to make himself feel like heās winning.”
Wow Kenny how typical accusing me of Flaming. You are far worse you have retreated into insults once again. You are doing the samething you accuse me of. In fact let me count how many times you flame in this thread alone.
Comment 10, 20, 45, 51, 58, 60, 65, 88, second page number 9, and 11.
WOW only 10 flames in this thread alone. I wonder how many can I find outside of this thread.
And only one comment was a quote “Flame comment”. One of my comments against ten of yours. There is only one Flamer here my friend and it’s you
Not it’s evidence that you have Flamed more people than I ever could. I can easily find more examples of you flaming Factpile is full of your flaming.
All I have to ask is do you really want me to count how many times you have flamed on this site.
January 8, 2010
#13
“Much like Warhammer specs canāt be FOUND which is causing me to question the mere fact is Warhammer really that powerful.”
Sadly, the only site that I have found that has lots of 40k weapon calculations is SSD.net. The one and only reason I go into that forum.
http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=123079
January 8, 2010
#14
@ Locutus
Thank you it’s better than nothing. I mean it thank you maybe I can finally get some specs
January 8, 2010
#15
“All I have to ask is do you really want me to count how many times you have flamed on this site.”
- Go ahead, it will amuse me to see my flames.
@ Everyone
Any further debate? Or has the Titan won?
January 8, 2010
#16
Here you go and this is a handful
MC vs Logan (For the record I could have counted anything you said to Dragon but those were justified Flaming)
Second to last comment 15
Third to the last comment 63 (More pointless than anything but can be consider a Flame)
Same page comment 90
Forth to the last page comment 57
Same page comment 95
Fifth from the last comment 29
Comment 31
Comment 50
58 is a borderline flame
Comment 60
Comment 67
Comment 70
Comment 73
Gears of War vs Killzone
Last page comment 7
First page comment 36 (Granted it was against Rob so Iām going to let that one slide)
Bruce Lee vs Brock Lesnar
Second to last comment 94
Halo 3 vs Killzone 2 (One of your worst moments and I have to save you from it.)
Last page Comment 14 (Itās how you say it which makes it a flame)
comment 88
Second to last comment 44
Comment 55 borderline flame
Comment 60 borderline flame
81 is against your former clan but still a flame
Comment 99
Rahl vs Skywalker
Comment 38
Comment 41
Comment 49 is borderline Flaming unless youāre a SOW and LOTR fan
Protoss vs Tau Empire
First page comment 40
Comment 42
Comment 72 borderline
Metroid vs Warhammer 40k
First page comment 35 (Granted itās more of a head up your ass moment)
Comment 43
Hoffman vs Johnson
First page Comment 44 borderline flaming
Comment 54 is mainly an insult
Comment 56 nothing but flaming
Comment 58 borderline flame
Comment 66 disrespectful but not flaming but it could be seen that way.
Warthog vs Humvee
Comment 28 and this one was completely unnecessary.
Comment 35
My God I must stop listing your flaming I have never seen such hatred. Such hatred hurts my soul. Kenny donāt accuse people of the act you yourself have committed ten times more than anybody on this site.
January 8, 2010
#17
“My God I must stop listing your flaming I have never seen such hatred. Such hatred hurts my soul. Kenny donāt accuse people of the act you yourself have committed ten times more than anybody on this site.”
- So? You still flamed my friend. Continue…………..
January 8, 2010
#18
Your enjoying this ain”t you
January 8, 2010
#19
Nah, me? Leading you to do a bunch of sourcing in the hope of discrediting/shaming me, that actually does me a service by inducing humor on this particular humorless night?
Nah, I’m not enjoying.
January 8, 2010
#20
So it’s it’s no of those nights for you that sucks… Well say something rude and disrespectul and I’ll give some humor
January 8, 2010
#21
“So itās itās no of those nights for you that sucks⦔
- Jesus man, what the hell are you attempting to say?
“Well say something rude and disrespectul and Iāll give some humor ”
- Nah, too much clutter already.
January 8, 2010
#22
Sorry man I’m tried I mean to say So it’s one of those nights for you that sucks
January 9, 2010
#23
I have a match related question-
How are the KP particles controlled?
Its times like this that I hate not having adequate specs, but then again, it wasn’t like the guys making AC were thinking “Make everything super-detailed so debaters can use our creations against other fictional machines.”
January 9, 2010
#24
I agree man I hate not having specs
Kojima Technology
http://armoredcore.wikia.com/wiki/Kojima_Technology
This is the best I can find I type in Kojima particles and this is what I get.
From this page
Boosting
“represent a treasure trove of possibilities in warfare, and are the defining part of what allows Nexts to outclass their forbearing Normals so easily. When applied to boosters, they allow both Quick Boosting, which allows Nexts to become blurs of steel and color, compared to Normal’s plodding speed, and Overboosting, letting Next’s traverse large distances with ease, whereas a Normal would be forced to simply boost normally.”
Shielding or Primal Armor
“Kojima Particles can also be molded around an Next, to create a powerful, bubble-shaped sphere of radiation shielding, called Primal Armor, making most solid round weapons do significantly less damage. However, the shield will decay, being a form of radiation, if impacted by enough solid rounds, and energy weaponry has the potential to go through Primal Armor, ignoring it partially or even entirely”
Weapons
“Kojima weaponry has also been developed, first by Akvavit, then by Global Armaments (Europe) and, after the Lynx War, Torus and Omer Science Technology. Various forms of Kojima weapons exist; there are Kojima cannons, which charge large amounts of Kojima Particles, then proceed to fire them as one, cohesive beam. There is also Kojima Missiles, which carry a volitile Kojima payload and do significant damage upon impact, and Kojima “Blades,” which utilize a directed, pin-point, close range Kojima explosion that has the appearance of the user punching the target, as if using a physical parry blade. ”
Weakness
“Kojima Particles have the significant drawback of being extremely radioactive and highly polluting. During the National Dismantlement War, contamination levels were low, due to limited Next action in the short, one-sided conflict. But, during and after the Lynx War, massive Kojima contamination caused the Earth’s surface to be extremely polluted, and half of humanity was forced to take to the skies, in massive, floating supercities called Cradles. The rest of humanity would fight on the ground, to control the Arteria facilities – the life blood of the Cradles.”
The rest of the page is about uses outside of warfare and that it was named after it’s creater that is all I can get. But still no details. I don’t like the fact both mechs are very short on details
January 9, 2010
#25
Sorry for Double posting I find something else on the wiki about White Glint’s main weapon the MR-R102 it’s main weapon is listed as an assault rifle. Probelm is I can’t get any more than that.
“His rifle,MR-R102, seems to have a large amount of power, because in Sol Dios, he destroys a fortress with the rifle only.”
That is all I could get on firepower. However the size of the fortress is unknown. Also what type of rounds it fires is at this time unknown. We don’t know if it’s weaker, stronger, or just the same as the Titan’s weapons. All we know is that it took out a Fortress and that’s all I could get out of it.
January 9, 2010
#26
“We donāt know if itās weaker, stronger, or just the same as the Titanās weapons. All we know is that it took out a Fortress and thatās all I could get out of it.”
Judging by its size, i’d say its weaker. It might have taken out a fortress, but an Imperator with a Volcano Cannon can crush an entire Hive City in one shot. That thig is HUGE. Not to mention that Titans with their Void Shields knocked down are utterly obliterated by Volcano Cannons, and those things are powerful enough to be third grade weaponry on even the largest of Imperial craft. Considering how tough 40K craft is, those cannons OWNS, and I find big trouble in believing that such a small machine has such firepower. I mean, the rest of the universe ain’t all that much overpowered.
January 9, 2010
#27
I finally from something on the Titan’s weapons and this type one less (So I’m in a very good mood right now because I find out what this think is carrying.)
Weapons
“The largest Emperor Titans are the versatile Imperator. These massive machines mount the extremely powerful Plasma Annihilator, largest land based Plasma Cannon in existence. It also carries the massive Hellstorm Cannon capable of reducing several city blocks to rubble in a single salvo. In addition to these fearsome primary weapons; the Imperator is equipped with a staggering number of lasers, bolters and other defense weapons”
Now WG isn’t going to stand in the middle of nowhere it’s going to try to get under those guns. So lets say it hangs outside of the shields not knowing it can pass through them the only weapons that can hit WG is the lasers, bolters and other defense weapons. My guess some of those other defense is the Multi-Lasers.
“Emperor-class Titans are also commonly equipped with point-defense weapons to protect themselves against infantry and aircraft that cannot be targeted with conventional weaponry. Carapace-mounted Multi-Lasers are often employed in this respect, as are more exotic weapons for dealing with aircraft ”
So the question remains does the Multi-Lasers have enough firepower to destroy WG and is it fast enough to even hit WG.
“Judging by its size, iād say its weaker”
While you may be correct but the lack of details on the weapons both sides use here we don’t know the power output, rounds, range, and firepower of the weapons. (For the Titan we have an idea on the firepower of the Titan’s main guns but not the smaller weapons.)
For some reason the Bismarck comes to mind and how it was cribbled by a outdated (Even at it’s time) WWI Era Torpedo Plane.
January 9, 2010
#28
“but not the smaller weapons”
Incorrect. The small weapons will be normal Lascannons, Multi-Lasers, Heavy Bolters/Storm Bolters, Assault Cannons etc. As long as we know the power of these normal weapons we should know the power output of the most basic of the small weapons. I have no precise info myself, so I hope L-W or some other factnut will enlighten us on this. The weapons in the range between normal weapons and Titan Class weapons is anybodys guess, though.
January 9, 2010
#29
“I have no precise info myself, so I hope L-W or some other factnut will enlighten us on this. The weapons in the range between normal weapons and Titan Class weapons is anybodys guess, though”
Too be honest I hope so too because I’m been looking for the weapon specs and firepower of these weapons. So I hope they can label the power output of each weapon because the wiki tells me nothing about Warhammer weaponry.
Maybe they can being my month long search to an end
January 10, 2010
#30
“For some reason the Bismarck comes to mind and how it was crippled by a outdated (Even at itās time) WWI Era Torpedo Plane.”
- Your historical reasoning is fail. The reason said bi-planes were only able to cripple the Bismark was the fact the AA guns were calibrated to attack faster flying planes, even then it took a small fleet to end the Bismark. The Titan will also have a hard time to hit WG, but they have plenty of time, ammo, and multiple batteries.
In fact, the torpedos that were used were sufficient to attack the Bismark. The only calc I’ve heard from WG is that one of its weapons is comparable to tank rounds and the sniper rifle is a rail-gun…. those given estimates mean that the WG would have a hard time just bringing down one void shield (which are rechargable) as the shields are designed to tank Titan-sized weaponry.
There are critical differences between the final stand of the Bismark and Titan vs WG, so…… stop comparing them.
Titan wins, that is all.
January 10, 2010
#31
“So the question remains does the Multi-Lasers have enough firepower to destroy WG and is it fast enough to even hit WG.”
They will be if white glint travels slow enough to attempt to get within the imperator’s void shields without activating them.
January 10, 2010
#32
obviosly the big dude wins angienst the white pint
(coz of the huge difference)
January 10, 2010
#33
Considering we’ve seen the White Glint take a glancing hit that took a rather large chunk of it’s torso armor with it, I’m gonna side with the Imperator here. The hit that did that was rather small, I imagine that a blast from WH40k-grade stupidly overpowered weaponry would downright total it.
January 10, 2010
#34
YESH, all come and see the defeat of White Glint and know the awesomeness that is Warhammer 40,000.
January 11, 2010
#35
Wez al dune here? Or does da sgiuggy wite glinet have another argument goin’ for it?
January 11, 2010
#36
We can actually say “Size Matters” in this post.
January 11, 2010
#37
Perhaps…… waiting on WG’s next “for” post.
January 14, 2010
#38
All done? No more denying the Titan?
January 14, 2010
#39
I have noticed that whenever someone claims victory on Factpile, it sparks another debate. Provocation perhaps?
January 14, 2010
#40
/makes shushing sounds to Sorrow./
- Don’t tell them!
January 15, 2010
#41
I’m sorry, but speed in the world of energy (the world we live in) is greater than strength. And if one cannot hit another, than its weapons do no use. This match is literally impossible to tell unless people get some reliable specs on weapons, armor, and machine engineering. And I’m not going to ravage through some vague site to find it because this match just isn’t that important to me.
January 15, 2010
#42
Kenny you should have listen to Sorrow
January 15, 2010
#43
I’m telling you I saw this coming. I think Zach purposely started debating again because I said something. Damn it all to hell!
January 15, 2010
#44
Crap. you got me.
January 15, 2010
#45
I know I know Kenny needs to learn that Slience is Golden
January 15, 2010
#46
Emperor Titan for FP award.
January 15, 2010
#47
+1 nom for Emperor titan
January 15, 2010
#48
Imperator Titan for FactPile Award
January 15, 2010
#49
another nomination for Titan for FP award
January 15, 2010
#50
The Canes endorse posts #146 – 149.
January 19, 2010
#51
Ah, hell, why deny it it’s crown? Add my nomination for a FP award. Though it’s been awhile since Admin awarded one.
January 19, 2010
#52
He probably doesn’t want to hand ANOTHER victory to WH 40k…. it has too many.
January 19, 2010
#53
“He probably doesnāt want to hand ANOTHER victory to WH 40kā¦. it has too many.”
Not really, out of 33 total FP awards 40K has won 3 and lost 1. Considering the popularity of WH on this site I’m surprised it doesn’t have more.
January 20, 2010
#54
Ahh put my nomination to the Titan as well!
But I think Admin’s too busy reading through battle requests and the likes to bother reading through threads to see if it has come to a conclusive end or not.
January 29, 2010
#55
Mybe. Let’s pray he actually does take notice though.
Nomination for the Imperator.
February 2, 2010
#56
Lets see… eight nominations for the Titan….. anymore, anyone?
March 31, 2010
#57
come on titan
June 20, 2010
#58
Imperator Titan for Fact Pile Award
July 4, 2010
#59
Wouldnt the White Glint be more comparable to a Gundam?
July 23, 2010
#60
Umm im a little late to this party but did anyone point out that the picture is of a warlord titan and also some of you guys say emperor titan some say imperator and yes there is a difference.
July 23, 2010
#61
The pictures don’t matter most of the time. The title and match info both say Imperator.
“some of you guys say emperor titan some say imperator and yes there is a difference.”
Not really. It’s a Imperator-class Emperor Titan. Imperator is the class and Emperor Titan is the type. Either one works.
July 23, 2010
#62
” Umm im a little late to this party but did anyone point out that the picture is of a warlord titan ”
- Yes. I did.
” also some of you guys say emperor titan some say imperator and yes there is a difference.”
- It hardly matters at this point. One is in reference to the Titan’s overall class (Emperor class) and the other is in reference to the actual model of Titan (Imperator).
Hell, I would give a Warhound good odds against White Glint.
July 24, 2010
#63
Yeah I do feel sorta stupid after saying that considerin the glint is pwned anyway also that imperator is latin for emperor and well latin has a big basis in 40k the best universe ever.
August 22, 2010
#64
Any titan, any day. On top of the Titans immense firepower, extremely thick armour, and integrated crew that gives a Titan faster response time then any pilot could ever manage, (especially in an immersion tank, where the precept pretty much becomes the titan) you have the Void Shields. A constantly regenerating shield that takes sustained fire from another Titan to take down, and if it’s an Emperor Class Titan only another Emperor Class would have the firepower to disable it’s Voids. Now on the off chance White Glint had that level of firepower and the ability to sustain it long enough to overload the Void (remember, the weapons on a titan are fueled by the force of a miniature star, so there is no way White Glint has the power available to even come close to that level of sustained fire) then it would have to deal with the results of Void collapse, in which the Voids explode outward in a shock wave of energy. According to Mechanicum this shock wave is equivalent to an atomic detonation, which would easily destroy any machine lacking Voids of its own. So even an attempt on an Emperor Class Titan is suicidal, even if the Titan never fired it’s guns White Glint would be destroyed if it somehow managed to overload the Voids. Most likely an Emperor Class Titan would just ignore such an enemy and focus on it’s priority targets, leaving the destruction of White Glint to the far more then capable Warhound Titans, against whom the White Glint loses a significant amount of it’s speed advantage.
August 24, 2010
#65
i just say, some apocalypcse void missiles and ur gone, ingame terms you are removed from the game, don“t eaven think about taking any saves, just take away your models
quote from the missile rule