The Dragon Reborn takes this hands down. While I would say Ichigo has the advantage in a swords-only scenario, with Rand’s vast command over the One Power, it turns into a slaughter.

Ichigo is powerful physically, and by using Flash Step he could probably outmaneuver Rand, but but his physical attacks will be useless when Rand is protected by power-wrought shields that could tank nuclear blasts at point-blank range. He’ll have to fight al’Thor with his spiritual energy, and when they test their abilities against each other, IK will be fighting at a heavy disadvantage.

Ichigo’s strength comes from his spiritual power. Rand has numerous abilities that would counter this or even take it out of play altogether. He is capable of weaving effects not only of spirit, but also severing and destroying the very fabric of spiritual attacks and effects. Every time Ichigo will try to use his powers, Rand will simply say, “Oh, no you don’t!” and cancel the effect before it can cause him harm.

Barring that, Rand also has the ability to weave “shields” around a person that cut them off from interacting with or channeling supernatural energies, and can even create weaves that strike at a person’s very soul and violently burn their magical powers out of them, leaving them helpless. He will also prove difficult to assault on the spiritual level, as he has shown himself capable of forming spirit weaves that blocked Lanfear’s telepathic assaults.

Rand FTW!

(BTW, I’d like to express my satisfaction that Rand’s name is finally spelt properly, with the right capitalization.”

Yeah, Rand is just overkill. Is this without the Choedan Kal, because if it is not, than this is even more of an execution….

- pf

@AHEM

Who do you think would defeat Rand?

“@AHEM

Who do you think would defeat Rand?”

Thanos(the Marvel supervillain) with the Infinity Gauntlet would be a match for Rand with the Choedan Kal, I think. Also, super-cosmic deities like the Lord of Nightmares, Krona, Dark Schneider, etc.

“Who do you think would defeat Rand?”

Lots of people could. Fiction is filled with overpowered individuals, even below the omnipotent level. Should you go below god in general, you still find lots of horrible stuff that will obliterate Rand. The guy is a beast, but fiction has lots of those.

Anyway, Rand has a weapon that can destroy pretty much anybody unless they can move faster than the speed of light: balefire. if touched by balefire, that person is erased from existence (so no afterlife or any hope of coming back to life) for a few seconds up to days BEFORE the balefire hits the person. So even if Ichigo could manage to kill the Dragon Reborn, as long as Rand unleashed balefire (a pretty commonplace weapon for him against deadly opponents) the killing will be undone, Rand will be alive, and Ichigo will be gone…

@Mazrin
can we please leave history changing weapons that erase the other person from existance out of this? that just leaves alot of debating out of the way

“I’m afraid taking away balefire from Rand is rather like taking away Avada Kedrava from Voldemort, or the lightsaber from Darth Vader. It his one of his signature weapons, does not classify as outside help like the Choedan Kal or Callandor might, and is his main advantage in almost any scenario.”

I have to agree. I see no reason why balefire shouldn’t be counted. It seems like nothing more than a hamhanded attempt to handicap Rand by taking away a weapon that he could very probably use.

I would also say that I do not consider either Callandor or the big CK to be outside help, since he isn’t really invoking an entity or partner for aid, but rather using a powerful weapon, like Voldemort using a wand or Vader a lightsaber, that he often carries with him.

“But he does not carry the Choedan Kal and Callandor with him often. He usually leaves him behind because a) he’s afriad of them and b) Robert Jordan needed to bad guys to have at least a small chance against him. And even when he carries them around with him, he’s only used the Choedan Kal twice and Callandor around three times by Book 10. That angreal he uses much more often though, and had it with him constantly for several books. Yet another reason he could incinerate Ichigo…”

Yeah, he does tend to hold back the big guns except for the major fights, but I think that partially falls under PIS(plot induced stupdity), e.g. “need to give the bad guys a chance.”

@bokablin666:

That’s a shame. Anyway, since it is the more even scenario anyway, I guess we’ll just go with Rand with Callandor against Ichigo.

I’ve read all of the WoT books and think of Rand’s over all power, not to mention is attitude and the way he handles himself, is something akin to a god. Bit of a spoiler alert for those of you that haven’t read the 12th book, but something to look forward to, is that with the Choden Kal, Rand ends up holding enough of the one power to incinerate the entire planet in one blast of balefire. With Callandor he held enough power to completely change miles up miles of the landscape of the Three Fold land.

I’ve also seen all of Bleach up to its most current episode. Ichigo simply gets knocked around to much, and there is nothing in that series that leads me to believe that he could some how counter the Lord Dragon’s weaves of Saidin. According to the forum rules all characters will be represented with the presently know abilities. After reading the end of book 12 in the WoT series, I have to say that nothing short of a god is going to challenge Rand.

Its worth noting that traveling aside, Rand only moves at regular human speeds. Ichigo moves faster than a Shinigami Captain’s eye can track. And the WOT books have noted quite a few times that how powerful a person is doesn’t matter in every circumstance. Holding Choedan Kal, he can destroy the world, sure. But if he isen’t ready for an attack right then, all of that near limitless power is useless. Rand has noted that a surprise arrow to the throat when he isen’t channeling the one power could kill him. That, coupled with Rand’s nausea when he first channels would give Ichigo the momentary opening he needed to kill him. That said, once that moment is past, Rand can take nearly anyone.

But how does air stop a spirit?
Ichigo stands on as if it was a platform, he flies, and does this insanely fast.

“While this is definitely true, Rand can also make sure the other guy’s slowed down to the same level by thickening the air surrounding him right from the get go.”

Not quite. If Ichigo goes at his absolute max from the get go, he will have cut Rand to pieces before the wizard could even start weaving, Ichigo is insanely fast. That said, he’ll most likely wait a second or two before charging, and that is enough for Rand.

One note on Rand using Callandor. Alone Callandor is unstable to use alone because it is unbuffered. In one of the books he summons a storm that wiped out the enemy, large parts of his army, and almost killed himself. I think that his fat man angreal is more logical to assume he has.