The Nids still win, Take them out, however, The Helghast win.

The helghast and locust will be defeated

It’s now the flood vs tyranids

The Tyranids make this fight boring, it would have been better without them in my opinion. The tyranids would win this fight without to much difficulty.

As Matapiojo said, it depends on what Tyranids we’re talking about here.

If we presume the tyranids have no spawning pools (A pre invasion force perhaps) then the troops would likely be varied indeed to cope with the force the other three could bring.

Forget Carnifex’s. Lets throw a few ravenors in here. Or hell, since its technically a Tyranid single model, how about a Heirophant (Tyranid Titan) Its talons are the size of a brumak.

Lets specify a few things here. 5 monstrous creatures/vehicles maximum. one Leader unit (I presume the Helghast has a boss of some sort, and whatever the next flood thing down from Gravemind is can be theirs. Their vehcles could be difficult, but for the purposes of this match i suggest UNST Standard issue warthogs. Locust get Brunaks and the flying octupus things, tyranids get Carnifex, hive tyrant and maybe//// ah hell, you guys decide

Helghasts go out first
then locusts
then the food

Nids wn

I think the flood would make it so far beacause they take enemy troops and convert them into there own, hen use their oponents weapons against them. A flood proto-gravemind is the next thing down. As for flood tanks, that goes to the Flood Juggernaughts. Vehicles for the flood is Tank forms, but since stalkercan turn into them, I don’t know if stalker forms should count. Wait? Why can’t the Flood have a full Gravemind when te Nids have Carnifax? It wouldn’t matter, the flood needs a chance against the Nids and the other two teams can’t compete anyway.

Nids, although flood might win if there was no nids

@ Baron Somebody

How exactly are the Helghast better than both the flood AND the locust?

“Where did you get that from? The Helghast are better than both the Flood and Locust combined…but then again, what was I expecting from you?”
What? Seriously? You’re honestly saying a group of space mutates is greater than a viral hive mind capable of destroying the entire universe? That the Helghast are greater than the race who defeated a civilization who had ascended to near-godhood?
Forgive me, but I think not.

I’m going to throw personal experience into this.

The flood are cannon fodder. Absolutely nothing more. they are stupid. predictable and esily dispatched with even the most basic of weapons.

The Locust, for all people seem to be impressed by them, are little better. Tactics (Hide behinds things is pretty standard, turn the digging you use to travel into digging somewhere defensible and sinking it has been done since siege warfare began) are also fairly bog standard, though their Brumaks are impressive.

The Helghast have decent military training, admirable weaponry and some sort of I presume useful mutation.

The Tyranids are too varied to make an easy call. It could be 500 tyranid rippers, or Genestealer cultists, or hormungaunts, or carnifexes, and all of these are valid army choices. Personally, I’m more worried by the helghast than tyranids, because away fromserious leashing they act like animals, and animals are fairly easy to take down. Without a hive tyrant or brood lord guiding them they are easy pickings. same with the flood minus Grave mind.

“The Flood would be useless, I mean come on they haev no guns and the Helghast are pretty ruthless…although I must say I have limited knowledge on the Locust”
I assume the Flood begin with hosts and therefore weapons, but even if they didn’t they could jump the Helghast and turn them easily. Helghast = Non factor.

hummmm,
iz think u underestamaint the locus

im omitting tyranids for the sake of making this more interesting.

”The flood are cannon fodder. Absolutely nothing more. they are stupid. predictable and esily dispatched with even the most basic of weapons.”

thats retarded. you have to specify what type of flood forms there are. If they are elite combat forms, human forms, etc. 500 of PURE flood forms (tank, stalker, ranged) would easily destroy all of the other races in the match, and they could even put up a semi-decent fight against the tyranids. The helghast have ballistic weapons and are vulnerable to infection. Both the helghast and the locust are extremely unintelligent compared to the trans-sentient flood gravemind, who is a strategic genius beyond comprehension. So the flood are NOT stupid at all, they are the most intelligent in the match. The gravemind wouldn’t waste his resources in this match because he is limited to 500 troops.

I will vote on the Helghast if they would be in a turtle mode….King Of The Hill

The Gravemind would do 2 things. 1: Since his tentacles have long reach, he would engage with the Hive Mind, physically or psychically, doesn’t matter, and kept the Hive Mind busy. 2: After that, he would charge as many Carriers as needed to overrun the Hive Tyrant(s) and thus take away Synapse, meaning the Nids start ripping themselves apart. It doesn’t matter if the Hive Mind manages to evolve then. The Nids would be ripped apart then. After that its a simple matter of overwhelming the last 2 races. If locust are CC based, they fall quick, and Helghast quickly find Mushy ‘Nids, Locust and Flood Carriers would assail their position and they will fall. Even if you shoved 50 Master Chiefs in they would still be overrun and turned into Mushy Chiefs. So the entire battle depends on whether or not the Hive Tyrant(s) can be turned Mushy and Jumpy before the evolution is complete. If they fail, then Nids overrun them, assimilate them, and generally slaughter them. So it all depends on how lucky the Flood are

Nope. At the end of the day the Flood and the planet they are standing on are going to be food for the Tyranids.

“One last question. Do all teams breath oxygen? Flood spores could deprive them of air, and kill most of each team and weaken the rest. I see Flood having a possible way to win.”

Whilst the Flood spores merely pollute the air, the Tyranids pollute it and literally pillage it; drawing the atmosphere into their Hiveships for consumption.

Not nids, nothing beats nids.

Do Flood need atmosphere? I don’t think Halo has really explored with that. I think a flood juggernaught or gravemind can compete with basic Nids. A gravemind could probably compete with even more powerful Nids. From the sheer size and growing rate, I think it’s safe to say a Gravemind can crush most Nids with its tenticle/vine thingys. Do Nids have calcium in them? Just asking.

From a previous thread:

1) The main issue for the Flood are their inability to capture or utilize Tyranid hosts, since Tyranids just don’t meet the physiological requirements for Flood infection. This would put the Flood at an immediate disadvantage amidst intense bouts of combat. With their numbers quickly dwindling against superior Tyranid warriors, their famed numerical advantage would be on a rapid decline.

2) Upon contact with a foreign species, the Tyranid immediately absorb the genetic material of their opponents, which is transmitted via a psychic bond throughout the Hive that trans-mutates and literally streamlines the evolution of the entire species. In the course of a few hours, their entire fighting force can be adapted and made immune to specific environmental threats.

3) Most Flood technological feats are acts of procurement, hence their utilization of fallen weapons and firearms in possession of the former host (A shotgun wielding Marine is going to get back up as a Shotgun wielding host). Coupled with the fact that individual physical impairment renders a certain lack of finesses in their cognitive functions; and most Flood units are terribly poor marksmen and pilots. Their only true strength being all out close quarters melee.

Each Tyranid on the other hand is a genetically encoded natural born warrior, designed, bred and raised for battle. Chitinous Tank-like armor that covers it from head to tow makes it near invulnerable to even Bolter rounds, rows upon rows of adamnatium crushing jaws and a pair of pincers/scythes/claws that can peel back the plating of even the toughest of Imperium Vehicles like a banana skin. These are just the armaments of the lower caste Hive warriors, the upper echelons of which are not even worthy of comparison.

Their rate of evolution puts them above even some of the most technologically advanced species in Warhammer, which is why they are often deemed the greatest threat to the entire universe as a whole.

In a direct fight, I would say that even a common Genestealer would show the Pure forms a world of hurt, anything of a Carnifex or even Tyrant caliber would just be overkill.

I would have to agree with theapocolispe with this one. I have no resentment to rise up, i just wish he would just admit defeat sometimes and not get kicked while he is down for it.

Hmmm well I don’t know anything about the Helghast but as far as the Flood you guys are writing them out to easily. now if they came into battle alreadly infected as the Halo version then yes they would be out But if they came in as the babys er what ever there called in that form then they could infect the locas ofcoures I do agree with you that in the end no matter what the Dino-flood would win

A Gravemind is a very powerful unit/leader. However, could only take on mid-level nids. A juggernaught could handle maybe a single basic Nid. A couple tank forms could handle a single nid. Nothing lower than a couple of tanks could hurt a nid.

I wonder, what would a flood form be like if it was one of the larger Locust units? Easily stronger than a juggernaught.

Flood, in the presence of a Gravemind, seem to be significantly more intelligent . They communicate through the spores, un-desipherable to anything but the Flood. As for abilities, they actaully increase the host’s strength, speed, stanima, ect… It does decrease intelligence though.

Definatly outclassed here. Helghasts are like evil ODSTs and Locusts are like brutes.

you guys make gaunrs out to be stronger than what they actually are.

gaunts sorry honest mistake

“Nids would have run for thier money fighting flood.”

No. You’re talking about the 40K universe here. Nothing in Halo could stop any counterparts they may or may not have in Warhammer 40K.

And No, Gaunts are tough.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gaunt_(Tyranid)

And just for pure zealeousness….I think I spelt it right..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranid_Titans_(Warhammer_40,000)

What book is the juggernaught in? I only recall infections, combats, carriers, and a proto-gravemind. Juggernaughts are only a file activated within Halo-CE. They are roughly twice as tall as a tank form and have incredibally long arm/tenticales with razor sharp barbs like a squid at the end.

Flood is not just one form. Flood can take over the body and spreading quickly.

Flood wins.

I wonder what would happen if flood DNA got into the tyrannid gene pool. Would it screw over the tyrannids gene pool forever or would it enhance them and make grave tyrant or juggerfex

‘Nids then ‘ghast then ‘lood then ‘cust (in order of first to last)

give ‘em an ‘ward (‘Nids that is)

Only a Juggernaught or a gravemind even stands a chance against any nids. A gravemind could probably fight off higher level nids one at a time, but a large group of high level nids would be too much.

the flood will win

The tyrranids do have the ability to create vast numbers in a short time, but who says the flood can’t infect the tyrranids themselves? In fact, contact between the Hive Mind and Gravemind could have some interesting effects. Imagine that the helghast(OH NOOOOEES!) and locust both are infected/decimated by the nids and flood. thats a hell of a lot of flood carriers. The tyrranids and the flood could form some kind of symbiotic bond, which would allow the nids to create even more troops, while the flood gets to create pure forms. the grave mind becomes the galactic(?) form and moves to another galaxy. That would be epic. Period.

Dracosphinx, it has been mentioned by others that Tyranids are not compatible to Flood infestation which requires a central nervous system. You have evidence to counter this claim? If so please show it to me, I’d like to see it. The afore mentioned posters are some of the more factually aware posters (I’m not saying you’re not, but the people I mention are more than willing to type half a bloody encyclopedia complete with sources)

Does Old One-Eye of the Tyranids count in this battle? Because that would just be overkill for the the rest of the races

- pondering fool

Old One Eye? You could just as well put in a Bio Titan, dammit. One Eye owns.

I haven’t played Warhammer 40k or Killzone, but I’m asuming that the Tyranids and Helghast have calcium-based bones like the Locust and humans. And since all Flood cells are designed to attack and consume calcium-based organisms of sufficient biomass, plus the fact that it’s a plague, I am gonna side that the flood will win. Now if the Helghast and Tyranids don’t have calcium at all in their bodies, someone correct me.

But if not, then I stick with what I say.