After a few thousand brain-cracking guesses…
The scorpy must have owed its extremely exposed turret to one of Bungie’s crew compressing its chassis into a pancake. No value as an improvised APC and certainly not a lot of avionics visible (though probably a fast tank at turning and climbing). Design forces the Halo Scorpion engine into low-efficiency running? Perhaps.
Unless we are thinking about who would win if two people had the same amt of money and one bought Scorpions with it while the other did so with Leopards, the Leo wins hands down.
I would go with the Scorpion, it is a far more practical design.
It only operates on a crew of 2, with simple controls for the driver/ gunner and the 7.62mm gun.
also It utilizes a 90mm high velocity cannon, which was in real life tested on the chassis of the M26 Pershing tank, when fired could puncture the armor of heavy German tanks, and continue on through several blocks of buildings. Its Four tread system would give it excellent handling and maneuverability. Even its raised turret is an advantage, it has a tall yet very small compact silhouette against the horizon, it can fire its unmanned well armored turret without exposing its main chassis. Also in halo 3 the drivers seat in closed, not a cage like in Halo:CE
-sorry, history/ tank nut
w00tm0ng3r January 13, 2010 #3
I really don’t think it’s possible to make much of a determination here. We just don’t know enough about the Scorpion to really judge anything. We know it has a 90mm high velocity cannon and “heavy” ceramic-titanium armor… Translation: we know absolutely nothing. Without actual numbers “90mm high velocity cannon” and “heavy ceramic-titanium armor” are just descriptors some dude at Bungie thought sounded cool (like how Wh40k has bolters shooting “depleted deuterium” ). We have no idea just how heavy “heavy” is nor how high velocity the HV cannon is. 90mm cannon by itself at best only gives a ballpark figure and at worst is absolutely deceiving. Ex: the 75mm gun mounted on early WWII panzer 4s was a spectacularly ineffectual gun. The 75mm “high velocity” (compared to the early 75mm) gun mounted on late war panzer 4s was a decent gun. The 75mm high velocity (for real this time ) gun on the panthers was easily one of the best guns in the war.
Prime Chaos January 13, 2010 #4
I sense a disturbence in the Force!
Kenny C. January 13, 2010 #5
“I would go with the Scorpion, it is a far more practical design.”
- Let me respnd to this with a……….. NO.
The maximum speed of the Scorpoin – 5.6 mph… for those who are not gear-heads… the Mark 1 tank of WW1 could go 4 mile per hour. In 600 years of develpment…. The UNSC’s LIGHT tank… can go 1.6 miles per hour faster than the first operational battle tank…. /facepalm/
The maximum speed of the Leopard 2 – 45 mph – Quite good actually.
The 90mm High Velocity cannon of the Scorpion tank is highly effective against lightly armored target, it actually gave up some penetration power to be a bit more explosive. The Rheinmetall L55 120mm (standard cannon on Leopard 2) was built and designed to take out other tanks and utilizes tungston/titanium rounds for armor piercing, which is comparable to anything the UNSC has tank-wise.
Armor is really negligible as… well…. even if the driver section now has an armored hatch… it’s still exposed and still subject to near instant kills with the right weapon. In addition, the leopard still wins the armor category as it utilizes a composite armor of steel, TUNGSTEN, and various plastics with ceramics… needless to say, the Titanium armor of the Scorpion is not that impressive.
The raised turret is a further crime against armor as it leave is vital articulate section up to a near instant knock out with one well placed shot, while the Leopard 2 (as with every other tank designed today with actual combat in mind) has a chunky turret to hopeful keep the main gun functioning even after a direct hit.
In summary…..
Exposed driver’s compartment = fail
Raised turret = fail
God awful speed = fail
Cannon designed to take out light targets, CANON-wise = fail
armor = “future iz awesome” fail
Scorpion tank = Fail
Kenny C. March 14, 2010 #6
FP Award for the Leopard II.
- The match wasn’t one-sided
- The debare was good.
- The German military deserves an award that they’ll never hear about.
PaPPa JUDAS March 14, 2010 #7
I second nominating the germans for a little known award for biulding better tanks then video game desingers
orpheus12 March 14, 2010 #8
@ Pappa judas
You make it seem negative.
PaPPa JUDAS March 14, 2010 #9
@ orpheus12 That was not my intent I was aiming for the same sarcastic vein that Kenny C struck with his comment.
Belisaurius March 14, 2010 #10
The primary issue with the Scorpion is the armor design.
Generally speaking, most tanks put enough armor on the front to deflect almost anything that can be thrown at them. Since the point of a tank is to either stand off their foes or charge straight into them, this is ideal.
On the scorpion, the gunner and driver are all but exposed with not much more than a hatch for protection. Normally, this isn’t much of an issue, but the hatches are mounted on the front.
Furthermore, the scorpion shares the weakness of most tanks with a weaker rear armor. Normally not an issue but apparently, the ammo feed or fuel tank is directly under this hatch since a single decent shot there will destroy the entire tank.
December 14, 2009
#1
After a few thousand brain-cracking guesses…
The scorpy must have owed its extremely exposed turret to one of Bungie’s crew compressing its chassis into a pancake. No value as an improvised APC and certainly not a lot of avionics visible (though probably a fast tank at turning and climbing). Design forces the Halo Scorpion engine into low-efficiency running? Perhaps.
Unless we are thinking about who would win if two people had the same amt of money and one bought Scorpions with it while the other did so with Leopards, the Leo wins hands down.
January 6, 2010
#2
I would go with the Scorpion, it is a far more practical design.
It only operates on a crew of 2, with simple controls for the driver/ gunner and the 7.62mm gun.
also It utilizes a 90mm high velocity cannon, which was in real life tested on the chassis of the M26 Pershing tank, when fired could puncture the armor of heavy German tanks, and continue on through several blocks of buildings. Its Four tread system would give it excellent handling and maneuverability. Even its raised turret is an advantage, it has a tall yet very small compact silhouette against the horizon, it can fire its unmanned well armored turret without exposing its main chassis. Also in halo 3 the drivers seat in closed, not a cage like in Halo:CE
-sorry, history/ tank nut
January 13, 2010
#3
I really don’t think it’s possible to make much of a determination here. We just don’t know enough about the Scorpion to really judge anything. We know it has a 90mm high velocity cannon and “heavy” ceramic-titanium armor… Translation: we know absolutely nothing. Without actual numbers “90mm high velocity cannon” and “heavy ceramic-titanium armor” are just descriptors some dude at Bungie thought sounded cool (like how Wh40k has bolters shooting “depleted deuterium”
). We have no idea just how heavy “heavy” is nor how high velocity the HV cannon is. 90mm cannon by itself at best only gives a ballpark figure and at worst is absolutely deceiving. Ex: the 75mm gun mounted on early WWII panzer 4s was a spectacularly ineffectual gun. The 75mm “high velocity” (compared to the early 75mm) gun mounted on late war panzer 4s was a decent gun. The 75mm high velocity (for real this time
) gun on the panthers was easily one of the best guns in the war.
January 13, 2010
#4
I sense a disturbence in the Force!
January 13, 2010
#5
“I would go with the Scorpion, it is a far more practical design.”
- Let me respnd to this with a……….. NO.
The maximum speed of the Scorpoin – 5.6 mph… for those who are not gear-heads… the Mark 1 tank of WW1 could go 4 mile per hour. In 600 years of develpment…. The UNSC’s LIGHT tank… can go 1.6 miles per hour faster than the first operational battle tank…. /facepalm/
The maximum speed of the Leopard 2 – 45 mph – Quite good actually.
The 90mm High Velocity cannon of the Scorpion tank is highly effective against lightly armored target, it actually gave up some penetration power to be a bit more explosive. The Rheinmetall L55 120mm (standard cannon on Leopard 2) was built and designed to take out other tanks and utilizes tungston/titanium rounds for armor piercing, which is comparable to anything the UNSC has tank-wise.
Armor is really negligible as… well…. even if the driver section now has an armored hatch… it’s still exposed and still subject to near instant kills with the right weapon. In addition, the leopard still wins the armor category as it utilizes a composite armor of steel, TUNGSTEN, and various plastics with ceramics… needless to say, the Titanium armor of the Scorpion is not that impressive.
The raised turret is a further crime against armor as it leave is vital articulate section up to a near instant knock out with one well placed shot, while the Leopard 2 (as with every other tank designed today with actual combat in mind) has a chunky turret to hopeful keep the main gun functioning even after a direct hit.
In summary…..
Exposed driver’s compartment = fail
Raised turret = fail
God awful speed = fail
Cannon designed to take out light targets, CANON-wise = fail
armor = “future iz awesome” fail
Scorpion tank = Fail
March 14, 2010
#6
FP Award for the Leopard II.
- The match wasn’t one-sided
- The debare was good.
- The German military deserves an award that they’ll never hear about.
March 14, 2010
#7
I second nominating the germans for a little known award for biulding better tanks then video game desingers
March 14, 2010
#8
@ Pappa judas
You make it seem negative.
March 14, 2010
#9
@ orpheus12 That was not my intent I was aiming for the same sarcastic vein that Kenny C struck with his comment.
March 14, 2010
#10
The primary issue with the Scorpion is the armor design.
Generally speaking, most tanks put enough armor on the front to deflect almost anything that can be thrown at them. Since the point of a tank is to either stand off their foes or charge straight into them, this is ideal.
On the scorpion, the gunner and driver are all but exposed with not much more than a hatch for protection. Normally, this isn’t much of an issue, but the hatches are mounted on the front.
Furthermore, the scorpion shares the weakness of most tanks with a weaker rear armor. Normally not an issue but apparently, the ammo feed or fuel tank is directly under this hatch since a single decent shot there will destroy the entire tank.
May 22, 2010
#11
@ Kenny C.
I could just imagine the guys at Krauss-Maffei lawling their heads off if/when they see this matchup.
May 22, 2010
#12
Wouldn’t doubt it. Though they would probably not care at all.