The gundam universe has this. I am going to assume all of the organizations from every series is united against the trekies.

I’ll step aside for the moment and see how star trek feel they can compete.

Star Trek wins this. Gundam would have no chance in hell against the combined powers of the Borg, Dominion, Federation, Klingons, Roumlans, and the thousands of other advanced species in the Star Trek galaxy. On top of that, the tech of Star Trek completely surpasses Gundam’s tech and is much more devastating. The yield of a standard photon torpedo can reach into the hundreds of megatons.

I would love to see the Gundam suits try to outmaneuver a volley of photon torpedoes travelling at low warp speeds.

You guys wanna talk about packing a bigger punch? Wing zero, the most powerful of the mobile suits seen on Gundam Wing, the weapon that inspired terror in Oz and space colony foces, the beam cannon, was the very definition of devastation, entire battalions of mobile suits and mobile dolls, entire space colonies were destroyed by a single shot from this weapon, star trek ships Will Not hold up. The zero system, designed to continuasly analyze battle data and statistics and feed them back to the pilot, the psychological effects were the removal of fear and emotional prohibitions felt by the pilot, the battle becomes a strategy game, the pilot will not hesitate to use whatever weapons his suit is equipped with, in Wing Zero’s case the infamous rifle I spoke of. Gundanium alloy, all the gundam’s armor plating is made up of this material, near immutable, neutral electric charge, and an incredibly high melting point. It is extremely effective, most who did not know what gundanium was thought the gundams were invincible. A mobile suit pair known as the Vayeate and Mercurious were built by oz using gundanium, Vayeate took a hit from Wing Zero’s beam cannon and was about sixty percent intact. This was the same weapon that literally vaporizes standard mobile suits and blew a space colony to pieces of debris, Gundanium can take a beating.

Standard mobile suits and mobile dolls, Oz and space colony rebels have them to spare. While the Leo and Ares were primarily made for combat on earth, The leo would later be converted to space combat worthiness. But, however, Oz came up with two mobile suits, Taureus and Virgo, and gave them the mobile doll system. These were automated units capable of carrying out destruction of targets with more accuracy than most human pilots. The virgo was a larger, slower unit but carried a large beam cannon to compensate, though not as powerful as Wing Zero’s, virgos were dispatched in overwhelming numbers to terminate a target. Taurus mobile dolls were a lighter unit but didn’t quite have virgo level firepower, they could change form into a highly agile fighter form to quickly relocate when needed. At space fortress libra a modified doll control system was made combining it with a zero system, it was given an idividual named dorothy, one of the more influential members of the white fang. The system comprised of the system, a helmet worn by the user displaying the battle and allowed the user to control mobile doll forces by will alone. The last version of the Virgo were equip with electromagnetic shield generators created by three discs orbiting the unit, dorothy would have three virgos huddle and combine their shields and create a shielded firing platform capable of firing in any direction.

Space fortress Libra, Oz’s last hope for space supremacy, taken over by rebels lead by former Oz ace pilot Zechs Marquis. At the center of the sinister installation is a beam weapon that easily dwarfed the feared beam cannon of wing Zero, once fired upon earth, it caused destruction that looked like god’s wrath in magnitude, Judging by what I saw, most countries would be wiped clean.

Now I could easily go on and give more info on gundams from all the other series’, But I wanna know how star trek forces could go toe to toe with what I explained.

What about Q, the being with god-like powers?

The Quantum would be enough to obliterate the entire Gundam universe and all of its denizens with a mere flick of the proverbial wrist. Q, having an affinity for the Federation, would probably annihilate every Gundam warrior for simply getting in his way of annoying Piccard.

Star Trek wins this one on an account of supremely powerful inter-galactic deities.

“it caused destruction that looked like god’s wrath in magnitude, Judging by what I saw, most countries would be wiped clean.”

Thats it? A fleet made up of 20 Romulan and Cardassian ships destroyed 30 percent of a planet’s crust in just the openning volley.

The fact is, the Gundam universe just doesn’t have the numbers or tech to repel the amount of firepower Star Trek would bring in. The Borg alone could just swarm hundreds of thousands of cubes through Gundam space, assimilating everything they can. They even have the tech to travel back in time and try to assimilate or destroy Gundam’s Earth. Again, Star Trek has thousands of species with all types of incredible technology. With all that power and knowledge combined, Gundam is simply screwed.

I tend as a rule to never justify the reasons behind the elements in Anime storylines. There are of course a few exceptions, but Gundam is really not one of them.

So parting from that rule of thumb, I will take the logical avenue and give this to the far richer universe of Star Trek.

Locutus:”Thats it? A fleet made up of 20 Romulan and Cardassian ships destroyed 30 percent of a planet’s crust in just the openning volley.”

You failed to see my point. In your post a fleet fired upon a planet. One unit, one space installation carried that much firepower, capable of putting thermonuclear weapons to shame, one unit compared to a fleet warships. and with the mobile doll force defending and epyon at the lead. heavy losses would surely be suffered by star trek fleets. I still acknowledge that the quantum would decimate the gundam universe I just wanted to demonstrate the already underestimated abilities of the gundam universe.

I mentioned A gundam known as epyon. I was too busy bragging on Wuing Zero to describe some of the others, Here is a web page describing it better than I can: “The Gundam Epyon. It is questionably the strongest of the Gundams built during the Wing series. It boasts an incredibly powerful generator system that directly feeds its beam sword, an strong heat rod, and features a second mode for flight that conserves energy use. Equipped with a variation of the Wing Zero’s cockpit system, it destroys all of the pilot’s fears to make him the ultimate warrior. The perfect weapon in every way but one, the Epyon has only one thing that could be called a flaw, it features no long range weapons.”

This unit’s beam saber hacked straight through a space fortress, destroying it. Among ships from star trek it would move with the utmost agility destroying it the same way it destroyed countless mobile suits and a space fortress

The most effective tool is as follows:The ZERO (Zoning & Emotional Range Omitted) System is a technology for interfacing the brain of the pilot with the mobile suit’s computer (comparable to the Universal Century’s biocomputer in the F91 Gundam). Only two known mobile suits were ever equipped with this system, the XXXG-00W0 Wing Gundam Zero and the OZ-13MS Gundam Epyon. The ZERO system decreases the pilot’s reaction times as there is no need for traditional visual interfaces. Furthermore, thanks to the advanced computations performed by the computer, the pilot can become aware of future outcomes and possible courses of action that can be taken to achieve total victory or total defeat. However, due to this direct brain interface, as the human brain cannot process the raw data, the system will cause the pilot to vividly “hallucinate” the possible paths that the pilot can take; as the pilot tries to figure out what is going on, the system can overload the brain with too many statistics and estimated values, causing temporary insanity. Examples of this include when Quatre Raberba Winner used the Wing Zero and went on a rampage throughout the colonies, and when Heero Yuy first used the Epyon in battle and went berserk, killing every soldier on both sides. However by the end of the series both Heero and Zechs “master” the ZERO system allowing them to properly use the data that the system gives them.

Later during the White Fang conflict, Gundam pilot Heero Yuy and White Fang leader Zechs Merquise developed a modified version of the ZERO system that was derived from their respective Gundams. They were given to Gundam pilot Quatre Raberba Winner and White Fang supporter Dorothy Catalonia so that they could lead their respective forces with their maximum potential strategic abilities. Heero installed his into Quatre’s XXXG-01SR Gundam Sandrock (which Quatre would later remove) and Zechs developed his into a helmet for Dorothy to use to control and coordinate the movements of mobile dolls in combat from inside the battleship Libra.
http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/Zero_System

That said I truly am saddened that the quantum will most likely be involved, because otherwise the gundams would achieve supremacy. And I have read about the borg and it seems that assimilation is not as easy as some made it out to be, especially since some escape assimilation or successfully resist it. If Picard can do it I’m fairly sure some of the gundam pilots can.

L-W:”Saddened? Why do you take such a personal stance on everything to a degree that you’re practically offended by almost everyone and anything.”

It’s not that, I just really had my hopes up that I could win this, but I was happy to to bring gundam info to the table because we rarely talk about gundam. I was really only sad that I forgot about the quantum and the own they would bring. I just can’t resist the opportunity to really talk about my favorite anime since childhood. Gundam is to me what Warhammer 40k is to you, thats all. And for the record I’m not offended by everyone and everything, you are the only person that has offended me by insulting my intelligence, but I still respect you and your knowledge on these topics so its cool I guess.

Locutus, Watch Gundam Wing, You will understand the power in the Gundam units.

So I guess I lost this one too, but hey, my time will come.

I feel mortified on the Gundams here….they are absolutely look like upstarts and tiresome gnats in the eyes of the Q

Yeah, Gnats! Gnnnaaaaattttssss!!!!!!

The technology of the Enterprise is a light year away from the gundams…..example: Light Speed Travel(Gundams don’t have this)

‘The technology of the Enterprise is a light year away from the gundams…..example: Light Speed Travel(Gundams don’t have this)”

Maybe so, but it only takes one gundam to destroy the enterprise, it could use that light speed travel to get out.

Capture? I said one gundam could destroy the enterprise, not capture it. most the leaders in the gundam are too reckless and suicidal to worry about capturing enemy tech, just look at operation meteor and the self detonation devices.

Ok, so destroy an Enterprise, pheewww…. that would be 100% impossible…..all the enterprise need to do is to warp away….gundams haven’t reach pluto…..star trek universe has travelled many galaxy without a sweat….self detonate? nyahahahaha!!!!! i could use a laugh on that. well if heero commits suicide by self detonating, do u think that would be enough to wipe out The Borg? Think AGAIN!!!!…they don’t need to assimilate gundam pilots, they could assilimate the humans on earth to use them as meat shields….so if there’s no human left in the earth, where would the gundam pilots take their supplies? they could die in hunger and their gundams will no longer be repaired and re-armed! another thing….The Qs….hmmm, my trump card…well i just wonder If the gundams can take a glance at the GODS of the Star Trek universe. If they see a Q they will be flayed million miles away in a blink of an eye and then imploding into pieces….just like what Horus did to a Custodian who stepped in the middle of the Duel of Horus & THE GOD EMPEROR OF MAN, HORUS just glanced at the Custodian then poof!….too bad gundam universe doesn’t have this kind of stuff…..like THE IMMORTAL GOD EMPEROR

Nobody has caught on yet, I realize that the gundam universe would lose but its not so cut and dry.

Operation meteor, colony rebels were going to drop a colony onto earth, killing two billion people and then the gundams would go to earth and gain dominance, Milliardo peacecraft(Zechs) attempted to drop part of libra on earth to the same effect in a last ditch effort. That being their frame of mind, they will sacrifice it all to do all the damage they can to all the targets they can, and having a cockpit system that will show you the most destructive way to kill yourself either doesn’t hurt either.

Have you ever heard of a scorched earth policy? It’s kind of the same idea.The gundam lose, but not without doing all they can to destroy all they can, including themselves to prevent assimilation.

I know the Q could beat them with a thought and flick of the wrist, but will they? Will they sit back and enjoy the show until they get bored or suddenly think that they should help?

Then again, I’ve been talking about the Gundam wing universe, not the other units from another series like the self evolving, self regenerating colony devil gundam.

But, of course, the quantum, instant win because that is just how over the top startrek is. I would like to see star trek vs wh40k, or gundam vs something not so grossly overpowered.

Whats the use of scorched earth policy if u knw at first hand that all in the gundam universe will die? whats that? gundams wouldn’t give up without a fight? too pathetic

Even so, The Q will wipe them out…….inevitably

CEP, are you ok?……

No, I’m fine, I was just struck by the silliness of comparing two so very different universes. The tricycle thing was supposed to just show how goofy ST’s level of tech can be, sometimes. So much of it is at the *far* end of fiction in terms of science-fiction. Gundam (for all that giant fighting robots would have trouble standing) is rooted in harder science. In Star Trek you have time travel, teleportation (transporter), recreation of people/places/events (holodeck) and have cross-species children (not to mention taking a baby from one species and sticking it in the womb of another, thanks for that DS9). They only thing they haven’t managed yet is ‘M-preg’ and thank God for that, I would *not* want to see Patrick Stewart being thrown a baby shower. (If you want to get weird, I guess you could say Data counts since he built a daughter named Lal for himself)

Sometimes, Diana, when I type people think I’m getting mad, but I’m really just getting hyperactive.

i love gundam but st would win by numbers alone

considering warp drive the only way for the gundams to defeat startrek is if they have warp drive installed on them otherwise i think it will be a one sided battle, and I love gundams but the Gundam Infinity justice or Legend ZGMF X666 have the best chance of destrying the enterprise since if he manage to surprise the enterprise even the shields of the enterprise will be useless….but only if they can ambush enterprise and Q no one can defeat him but i think he wont destroy the gundams(thats the fun in that) in fact he might even help them just to make the fight a bit more interesting like placing warp drives in Gundams