@Tom how would they be ash when they can outrun even Jedi?

So is a storm trooper they are also equal to a lightly armor vehicle and they still fall with nornal DLL-44 heavy rifle no reason why DXR-6 cant kill the grey knight and who said that section wont include a huge chunk of flesh from the grey knights ……sorry about this but the jedi have an equally good chance of killing a grey knight as for a grey knight killing a jedi.

“So is a storm trooper ”

pff, no. Storm trooper armor was never meant to resist a direct hit from a blaster. Even lightly armored vehicles can take a few hits.

“no reason why DXR-6 cant kill the grey knight ”

The DXR-6 is calibrated for a man sized target. Space marines out mass common humans by about 3 to 1 bare minimum without power armor. Factor in the ceramite that is renown for it’s ability to resist energy weapons and the jedi is better off with his lightsaber.

“and who said that section wont include a huge chunk of flesh from the grey knights”

Who said that loosing huge chunks of flesh would kill a space marine.

Also, distruptor weapons are considered highly illegal and it is not very likely that a jedi would normally carry one into combat.

“So is a storm trooper they are also equal to a lightly armor vehicle”

lol

the difference between SM power armor and that of a stormtrooperm is huge, it like comparing an go-cart to an f-1 racing car, they might both have wheels but it doesnt but them anywhere near the same cartegory.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/6/63/Mk6corvuscompositiom.JPG
(this regular type 6 armor, the IOM is now using type 7 and 8, whilst GK’s will use even better Aegis armor)

added to the fact the ceramite in the grey knights armor conducts almost no heat, making extremelly effective against energy weapons.

Well it doesnt matter if the weapon dismantle it molecule by molecule and if it can turn a full grown armor guy to dust no reason it wont get a huge chunk of the gray knight much like when normal human are hit by a .50 cal explosive sniper rifle. and that will be more than enough to kill the gray knights … it will leave a big hole in the body

@shaun182 your right you known this stuff more than i do do you play dawn of war 2 and dawn of war 2 chaos rising space marines rock! Jedi’s SUCKS!

@Mac do you think space marines have armor no they dont you fool space marines have strong armors especially terminator armor terminator armor is thick as a wall and tough as a man using 15 solid steel walls or maybe 50 solid steel walls only
space marine power swords can pierce a power armor

I know jedi sucks and grey knight rocks when it comes to look but a warrior is not base on look or coolness…….the cool knights that rocks in the medival period got screwed by the sucky long bow archers…….what ever it is its gonna be a fair fight no matter who sucks or who rocks

“It still requires a certain amount of force on the jedi’s part.”

Also assumes the Grey Knight will standing completely still the entire time while the Jedi plunges a blade into him.

“by the time the jedi tries to take aim, the GK would have put a bolter round through his head.”

or her

agility and acrobatics on par but still
+1 grey knight
jedi run out of energy (endurance)
the grey knight can fight for days, months if need be… and he won’t die from being pushed around and most jedi are unable to toss his 200+ kg around. And your ‘usual’ jedi has little to no battle experience … and no guns.
… if jedi gets disruptor, grey knight uses plasma gun… (‘… shoots superheated plasma with the temperature of a small sun’, SM codex)
Any experienced battle jedi on the other hand would be up to 50:50

“Just thought I might bring this point up, but in the Shadows of the Empire novel Luke fought Guri (a human replica droid) capable of deflecting blaster bolts with her hands, Luke fought her with ease as if she were an elderly man…remember too that blaster bolts move at the speed of light as well so I think a typical Jedi could take on a Grey Knight relatively easy when it comes to reflexes”

Luke is way above the average, so his feats can’t be readily applied. That, and the hell are you smoking? Are you suggesting that Luke can achieve FTL movements?

Oh and if you must know the contents of previous bowls are usually Lemon Kush or Fire…

Oh…thanks for informing me…well in that case the Jedi is fucked

with the grey knight screwing with the jedi’s powers its not much of a fight, no force speed, no telekenesis, no precog, no nothing.

might as well give some random yahoo a lightsaber and tell em to fight. without force powers the jedi is outclassed.

“Finely tuned Force Powers are not going to work as they should.”

Not that I am taking one side over another in that particular argument, but what proof has been given in regards of Force powers actually being negated?

The effect you are reffering to is called The Shrouding. This effect has been documented to alter perceptions of others at a distance, making the gray Knights considerably harder to lock onto by ranged attacks, but there is nothing that suggests it cancels out other supernatural phenomena. Much less effects not associated with The Warp.

Ok, well lets take the basic Grey Knight into consideration.

They have the Liber Daemonica, a Nemesis Force Weapon, a Storm Bolter, and the Aegis Armour.

The Liber Daemonica is basicly a enciclopedic bible. Other than boost the marine’s faith in the GEOM, it has no reall effect on the battlefield.

The Nemesis Force Weapon is a deadly artifact indeed, but it is nothing special from its regular counterpart against non-daemon oponents.

The Aegis Armour on the other hand is a mighty piece of tech. The imbuing of prayers and psychic energies is what dubs this piece of gear with the Shrouding effect, which like I said, does confound opponents’ perceptions, but the effect looses potency at close range (in game terms, it looses all effects in close combat).

The Storm Bolter is part of the armor, and its another deadly piece of tech that promises to deliver utter destruction with each bolt fired.

Veteran knights who have honed their psychic abilities beside their battle-brothers can manifest an ability called Holocaust. Knights that display this level of psychic prowess are usually anointed into Terminato Armours. Thus, not your basic Knight.

There are a few other special weapons available to basic Knights, but the point I am driving is that they mostly manifest their abilities via their equipment. The ones that are able to project powers the way you describe it are far from your basic knight, and even then, none that I know of has a crippling power as you describe.

It’s not that simple either. We are talking basics here, and your basic Jedi Knight is no more awe inspiring with their Force abilities as the basic Knight is with his psychic powers.

A basic knight is still able to match and perhaps even surpass a jedi in close combat. His weapon is considerably more devastating as a single nick to the skin of any part of the jedi’s body can unleash a psychic attack that decimates him entirely.

The Shrouding itself grants the Grey Knight an incredible advantage in delivering their powerful Storm Bolter attacks while staying relatively safe of any similar retaliation from the Jedi. The shots will literally be comming out of nowhere.

Further, game mechanics aside, I am possitive the Shrouding does have a canonical effect in close quarters combat, however minute it may be. In a fight of this caliber, all it takes is for a Jedi to miss a step due to the psychic intrussions to find himself impales by the Nemesis glaive.

I vote for the Grey Knight for this Factpile Award

I don’t know if this is mentioned before but all grey knights are psykers.
Psykers are special people with magic powers in basic language, and one of their powers is strip soul (it does exactly what is says)
so unless a jedi can destroy the throat immediately with force choke
grey knight takes one second to cast the spell, and unless the jedi is dead already
yea he or she would die then
instant kill