Please stop putting fights like this up all it does is give the 40k fanboys something to brag about. The Jedi are much more interesting but 40k wins against almost anything(aparently) so it probably wins here too.

well, as the jedi are unarmoured as such, i think that they would be able to circle a grey knight quite effectivly, however, most jedi, i am guessing, lack genetic augmentation of the highest grade.

the jedi have the force, admittedly, but the grey knights are used to facing far more powerful psychic forces than jedi.

the knight has considerable psychic powers himself usually, and in groups terminators can be devastating, but as we are talking about an average knight…

the grey knight has perhaps the most advanced power armour in the imperium, bar very little. the lightsaber might peirce it, but i dont know.

now i know that phrik metal can block lightsabers, and i know that cortosis is similar, but as neither of these exist in the imperium, the grey knights weapons might not parry the saber.

most likely though, the grey knight just melts the jedis brain in he skull

if the grey knights armour and weapons has enough enhancement to parry a saber, the grey knight wins. if not, then its equal ground, almost.

I vote for the Grey Knight. Standard Jedi aren’t all that impressive. Although, the precognitive reflexes might help in striking that lucky blow. But still, the Grey Knight is a space marine, as such has way faster reflexes then even the jedi’s Force Attuned reflexes.

The Gray Knight has this in my mind; you don’t fuck with someone with a storm bolter, you don’t fuck with a space marine, and you don’t with someone with physic powers. If your opponent fills all three…

Correct me if I’m wrong but can’t regular space marines cross rooms in the blink of an eye and crush men with their pinkies like potato ship? And the Grey Knight is much better then they are so couldn’t the Gret Knight end this with a quick dash and a swift boot to the head or chest? I don’t even think it needs its transforming blade thingy.

The grey knight will easily over power any jedi.
The grey knights are even stronger than space marines and they have fought off hoard of enemies that dwarf any thing any jedi has fought.

Did a bit of fact digging today and remembered that Maul Vs Logan had established that adamantium (the metal that makes up a SM’s armor) has been shown to be quite hard for a lightsaber to cut through a comparion of dense metals that have resisted lightsabers and adamantium. This mean that it will be very hard for the jedi to simply slice through a Grey Knight, while a Jedi typical armor presents all of the resistance of a watermellon. Grey Knight wins.

wh40k ships have adamantium hulls not space marine armour its primarily made of ceramite
“Ceramite conducts almost no heat, making it especially heat-resistant and effective against energy-based weapons” – lexicanum

this added to the fact that a grey knight can easily match speed and reflexis with a jedi means as soon as the jedi swings its lightsabre out him he could take hold of their wrist and tear their arm off like an angry wookie

“wh40k ships have adamantium hulls not space marine armour its primarily made of ceramite”

Adamantium is used in conjunction with ceramite and plasteel in Terminator armor.

@ Kenny C
Actually the lightsaber is a beam of plasma contained by a force containment feild. Since one of the few weapons that can melt terminator armour is the plasma gun this makes the Grey Knights armour almost useless. However due to its many wards and psychic reasonance the perception of any enemy is dulled. Also the grey knight could take multiple hits from a lightsaber but if the jedi was so much as nicked by the nemesis force weapon the grey knight could channel their power directly into the body and mind of the jedi, utterly destroying them.

This whole thread os filled with bullshit…how the hell do you know this “Ceramite” armor can take repeated blows from a lightsaber? I mean seriously? Where is all this magical information coming from?

Even if the J knight (I like that name) gets up face to face he/she can’t match the speed that a Grey Knight would have. Any-way the Grey Knights start out at age 6 or 7 and would live to be 100+ and still could lift car with there bare hands, and yes, jedi start young too but it depends on the race of jedi on how long they would live

if someone can see bad facts in what I put up PLEASE correct it!

@ Spellca

the grip would work to the extent of how strong they are. A kid just starting out would only move rocks intil they get better and better, they would need to use as much force it would take as much force to hold a…well I don’t know how much a space-marine would weigh but I know they are very very heavy.

Yoda might kill…might

Grey Knight wins this: Strong, fast, and a big-ass gun

any body read the Grey Knights book series
lots of proof on how Grey Knights kick butt!

It depends on the skill of a Jedi Knight, not all of them are goners for the Grey Knights.

Anyway the Grey Knight looks like an EMO

Ok, I seeing as how someone used the evidence I brought forth in the Adamantium vs. Lightsaber from Maul vs. Wolvie as grounds for a Lightsaber being unable to cut through ceramite, I feel the need to interject.

1) I said Marvel Adamantium would block a Lighsaber blow, not Warhammer 40k adamantium.

2) Warhammer 40,000 Adamantium is NO WHERE near the caliber of Marvel Adamantium. 616 Adamantium is unbreakable, even to a severly pissed off Hulk or even Thor, the God of thunder. It’s not just really really really strong, it’s flat out indesctrubtible to anyone that doesn’t have the ability to actually affect the atoms inside, like Magneto.. Adamantium is breakable in Warhammer 40k, it’s used in starship hulls and Terminator Armor, but it really really really tough, but it doesn’t take the punishment that Marvel Adamantium does. Furthermore, compare Adamantium: http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Adamantium

To Durasteel: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Durasteel, something Lightsaber’s can penetrate with relative ease. While I believe Adamantium is significantly stronger then Durasteel, we’re talking about a basic space marine here, meaing his armor is mostly ceramite: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ceramite

Bottom line, Lightsaber’s can cut through ALMOST anything. The only materials that it can’t cut through either have special properties that block a Lightsaber’s energy arc, or have special properties that make it all but indestructible, like Mandalorian Iron. Ceramite is tough, but it can be pierced, especially with Power Weapons which cleave Ceramite like butter, when you consider the similarities between a Power Weapon: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Power_weapon and a Light Saber: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightsaber

And I must point out that the Wiki description of a Lightsaber is wrong, it doesn’t utilize plasma, but rather a closed circuit of pure energy arcing out and back into the hilt. Basically, a Power Weapon is a Lightsaber blade wrapped around a pre-existing blade. Considering all of this, I have no doubt that a Lightsaber would effortlessly cleave a Grey Knight’s power armor like butter, and Terminator armor a little bit more difficultly, but still very doable.

3) Precog only goes so far. Sure you might be able to see what’s coming, but what if what you see coming is a fist being flung at you so fast that by the time your precog picks it up, it’s already smashed your skull in? Besides, Grey Knights have umpteen billion wards to protect them from exactly this. It’s possible that the Force wouldn’t even be viably offesnive in this fight, leaving the Jedi to his skill with a Lightsaber. Since this is a standard Jedi, not Mace Windu or Luke or anything, I have my doubts.

4) The Nemesis Halberd would be fully capable of blocking a Lightsaber blade, but only the actual tip. Meaning that if that Jedi even considers attempting to block the blow, he’ll be crushed by the sheer force. Plus, if you spray enough fire at a Jedi, they can’t block all of them. See the Battle of Geonosis. Besides, those were lasers that bounce back, not psychically imbued grenades-bullets that would likely explode on contact with the light saber and knock it out of their hand.

Like I said, Grey Knight wins.

emo’s cut themselves grey knights cut everyone else

“I’m gonna go with the Jedi Knight simply because I don’t like Warhammer.”
and I’m going to go with warhammer because I dont like you.

Um, skrunks….This is a grey Knight…He doesn’t use Bog standared ceramite. He uses aegis armour. Aegis is superior to normal ceramite armour.

Although, If this was a Space marine vs Jedi…The Marine would still win.

Hey, Skrunks, I think your post showed up.

oh, its because he had too many links I think, it happened to others too.

Wow, so a Jedi’s saber can make contact/duel with power swords and such(according to Skrunks)…

If so,who would win in a swordfight between the grey knight and jedi…not forgetting the Force both weild…

“I’m gonna go with the Jedi Knight simply because I don’t like Warhammer.”

I’m going to disagree with you because I don’t like you.

Is there a difference between WH mind powers etc and star wars ones. Just because thye both seem similar to one another doesnt mean they can be affected by the same weakness

Unless the imf of the lightsaber is strong enough to stop the blade…

When you say rend reality, do you mean like slice holes through reality? That usually either takes deamonic weaponry or huge amounts of godlike power,e.g. Abbadon and Khorne

“When activated the blade of the weapon becomes sheathed in a field of energy which disrupts solid matter, allowing the weapon to easily tear through armour”

Powerweapon.

“When cutting through dense material, the immense electromagnetic field generated by the arc causes resistance rather than letting solid matter enter and interrupt the arc. This gives the blade a feeling of being solid when immersed in dense material. Rarely, some solid materials can actually pass through the electromagnetic field and short out the arc”

Lightsabre.

So, While the Sabre becomes solid after the first contact between the two weapons, the Powersword/halberd will use disrupt the lightsabre circuit, causing a short out, thus making the Sabre useless until the Jedi can fix it.

Eh…It’s a force weapon for the grey Knight.

@ Baron If ya really that angry about Warhammer, I suggest leaving FP since Warhammer owns so much here

““It’s Saturday morning, I have got the major munchies, I can’t think worth shit, and I am tired as hell…FUCK YOU AND YOUR WARHAMMER BULLSHIT”

Someone is a tad grumpy…..I remember high school….oh the days of American education imprinted in my mind……those were the days….

- the pondering fool

At least it’s not as bad as WH 40k vechicles vs Star Wars vechicles…. thats counts for something.

*Middle finger @ Baron for 1 whole minute*
Don’t vent here dumbshit.

@Baron

Well, perhaps try not to fly-by on this thread if you are irritated over the inevitable fact of this match.

Eh, might be a bit late(sorry for bumping if so), but there’s really one thing i want to throw in here.

Warp powers. Theese alone obliterate the Jedi before he knows shit. The Force might be powerful, but a regular Jedi is going to use a few seconds at best to do anything even relating to harm with it when the target is this particular bastion of badassery. A normal GK, on the other hand, could have used the Immaterium-fuelled psychic powers at his command to quite literally rip the Jedi limb from limb in a nanosecond if he got the aiming right.

And i’m pretty sure(not totally) that the GKs constantly makes use of a power that numbs the mind and body of the opponent in battle. I don’t know to what degree, but this would make the already slim chances of the Jedi pummel through the floor.

BTW, i don’t think a lightsaber would cut cleanly through the armor either. It is merely a lot of energy amassed in the blade, which power armor is said to have some resistance through. It would still cut through quickly, but I would guess wielder would need to keep his saber in contact with the armor for 1 or 2 seconds. There’s no way he gets that much time.

I really did nothing than state AGAIN that it’s a curbstomp of epic proportions, but at least i got my points out, so I won’t be a arguing asshole tonight. Wee!

The superhuman abilities and amazing equipment of the Grey Knight does give him an incredible edge, and the psychic abilities do make them resistant to most Jedi advantages. I can see them winning in a straight out fight, though speed might be deter an automatic win for the Grey Knight.

I would not say Jedi would be easy to take down with psychic powers though, generic Jedi have been fighting telepathic Sith for over a millenia. They know how to fight on those terms. Regardless, taking a Grey Knight unaware would probably be the Jedi’s only option (through force induced camouflage rather than mind trick).

@Whacko

All the previous comments here have declared GKs faster than Jedi for the sole reason that they are Grey Knights. Not much of a comparison.

Jedi are faster than simple good reflexes. They are capable of accelerating their bodies beyond normal human limits. This is shown in a few different sources.

In Shadows of the Empire, Luke moves faster than Guri who previously took out the entire SoroSuub council in 9 seconds while unarmed. That makes her pretty fast. Luke bests her while he is only apprentice strength (he is only considered to have knight status when he goes to Endor to confront Vader). A knight would perform better.

Qui-gon and Obi-wan show themselves moving fast enough to blur, perhaps breaking the human eye illusion of movement and creating afterimages. This occurs in the opening scene of Episode I. Once again Obi-wan is a padawan at this time.

Kyle Katarn also uses this power in the Jedi Knight series. You can read more on it here:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_speed

I’d like to see what feats the GKs have accomplished, rather than just being faster than humans. I’m also not sure the Warp inheritly is better than the force. The psychic powers come from the alternate dimension of the Warp but the Force composes the very dimension (physical world) in which the Jedi resides. What makes a GK’s psychic powers superior to a Jedi’s?

@Whacko

“A Grey Knight is a Space Marine, that’s why. [. . .] A Marine in full armor is capapable of rushing through a room and punch a hole in any man, far faster than the opponent can react.”

By your account, a marine can punch a hole in the god Emperor before he can react. Yes, I agree they are incredibly fast, but not faster than everyone. Yes, you do have the advantage of the elite of marines pitted against but a Knight not a Master, but Jedi can also cross a room faster than a normal person can react, much less visually comprehend. Perhaps GKs are faster, I just want to make it clear and solid.

“The warp, however, is a really messed up “copy” of the real universe, fuelled by emotions.”

I agree it is a very messed up copy, and yes, it is much more destructive in nature. This might be a bogus philosophical tangent that is looking too much into the situation, but… if the Warp is a copy of the physical world, it owes its existence to the material plane in an ontological causal relationship. It requires the substance of the physical world to exist itself. If the the substance of the physical world is the Force then the Warp draws its existence from the Force. Probably a huge stretch, but an interesting train of thought. Also, while the Force does not appear to be sentient, it somehow yet has an overarching Will, a single unwavering flow. Chaos gods are dependent creatures, unorganized, separate and not all sovereign. I’d much rather judge the strength of the Force vs. the Warp simply by the application by their respective agents.

That leads us directly into your next paragraph. Jedi do need preparation for serious stuff, but that’s REALLY serious stuff. A proper Jedi feels the force as a second (or even first) nature and shouldn’t need preparation for basic force powers such as Force Speed. In the Luke vs. Guri example (someone can correct me if I’m wrong), time seemed to slow around Luke after Guri had begun her strike on him. He was able to start his Force Speed, maneuver around Guri, and remove her from combat before she even finished it.

“a GK will simply blow your head with a glance.”

I’m sure a GK can do this, but does your average GK actually do this? Sure a Jedi could pull an enemy’s eyeballs out of their sockets with a glance, or crush the space inside someone’s chest cavity into a ball, but your average Jedi doesn’t do that. (Interesting note, Mace Windu does that last one to Grievous.)

You say GKs are capable of greater feats so if an average GK fought a Jedi, the GK would win. By greater feats, it kinda sounds more like you’re comparing the types of feats, tricks, and cunning that the heroes possess. I suppose this is difficult because different people will attribute more or less of those moves or techniques to a generic warrior. While it is not the case that a generic Jedi Knight will be stronger than any specific example of Padawans, a small group of them hurled a Star Destroyer into Hyperspace from the surface below. This occurred in the Jedi Academy trilogy, during the attack on Yavin 4. Apprentices took a megaton+ vessel, dimensionally shifted it from subspace, and hurled it 3 months away (on sublight drive). It was more than one, and it hasn’t been done since, but Jedis have their great feats too. The greatest feats GKs have performed vs. the greatest feats Jedi have done may work, but it’s not completely representative of what generic warriors are capable of. Still, the grey area of being generic kinda makes this tough. Anyway, I’ve spoken enough, I’d like to hear what you think on the matter.

An average Jedi can not compete with an average Grey Knight. Superior physical and mental abilities will give the Grey Knight the win fairly quickly I believe. I doubt even a Jedi at Obi Wan’s skill level could take GN. We’ve seen his abilities in the films and they are not that impressive.

If the generic GK does invert people willy-nilly on the battle field, then I can see him beating a generic Jedi. You re right, it’s not in a Jedi’s nature to do something off the bat.

Things thing is pretty much dead, but i’d Like to nominate the Grey Knight for th FP award.

Grey Knight FTW.

A GK’s killing intent and utter lack of hesitation would greatly compound his advantages.

+1 vote for the Imperium’s finest

Grey Knight for FP award.

jedi are very peacful but il take the greay knight why he is just more cooler and awersomer hehe

Dont really about grey knights but as far as armor goes they are equal grey knights arnor is as good as clothings it will just be determine by skills