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Gambit Vs Spiderman

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Interesting fight here. Have to say that I don’t know too much about Gambit. So, Factpilers, what makes this a match?

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  • Jwlynas
    August 25, 2009
    #1

    Hmm, a good match. Gambit is certainly one of the most agile of X-men, losing out only barely to Beast. He is generally placed just below Wolverine in terms of combat ability. Puts him above Spiderman, at least in my eyes, is his mutant powers. Quite aside from his charm, which is canonically a power (He’s an empath, and people instinctively like him more than they would normally. Works on marvel fans too weirdly) his Kinetic charging is one of the most fluctuating powers in Marvel history, His charged cards have gone from being glorified firecracked, to being able to cut through flesh, bone and brainmatter (Poor hammerhead…). His powers stretch from being able to power up pebbles and cards, to the whole world in a cataclismic orgy of explosions (See ‘New Son’ on the marvel website)

    I think Gambit at full power takes this easily.

    Ordinary Gambit on the other hand… Its actually a pretty fair match, Spidey senses or not.

  • Asger
    August 25, 2009
    #2

    It would be a tough battle,but if Spiderman isn’t holding back in this battle he could win.

  • ss
    August 25, 2009
    #3

    gambit,and this is how it goes
    i think spidy would try to web him, gambit would charge the webing until it gets to spidy, at which time gambit loses contact w/ webbing and spidey blows up, “olevwa moname”(sorry spidy i actually like u better)

  • Asger
    August 25, 2009
    #4

    If my understanding of Gambits power are correct,he is only able to charge inorganic material. I don’t know much about te current incarnation of Spider-man (One More Day. ‘Nuff said) but if his webshooters are organic,then Gambit cannot charge them.

    If I understand correctly,Spiderman being the scientific genius that he is,if he has met with Gambit before he would understand how Gambits powers work, and would try to avoid giving Gambit a chance to charge a webline (Assuming it’s inorganic).

  • Jwlynas
    August 25, 2009
    #5

    “If my understanding of Gambits power are correct,he is only able to charge inorganic material. I don’t know much about te current incarnation of Spider-man (One More Day. ‘Nuff said) but if his webshooters are organic,then Gambit cannot charge them.”

    Thats about right for most of his incarnations. His current incarnation, or at least the latest one I know of, is currently blind. Able to “see” the future in his cards, but otherwise blind in the world. As such, that incarnation is at a slight disadvantage…

  • Expert
    August 25, 2009
    #6

    I would think Spiderman’s quickness and spider sense helps him secure the vitory here.
    Gambit really isn’t any more powerful then a lot of the villians spider has already faced and beaten on a regular bases.

  • ss
    August 25, 2009
    #7

    are we sure hes blind now? but if what u say is tru could he fight with the future sight, may be even better than sight

  • ss
    August 25, 2009
    #8

    that isnt tru he was blindfolded to do that
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambit_%28comics%29
    he also has a healling factor and is now at full strenth, so that planet thing in new son, says he can still do that

  • Jwlynas
    August 25, 2009
    #9

    If Gambit is in full control of his powers again, then this really isn’t a fair fight. I’d say Classic Gambit (With his power-sapping lobotomy) is the one we focus on.

  • DivineChaos88
    August 25, 2009
    #10

    I believe that Gambit would come out on top here

  • Captain Epic
    August 25, 2009
    #11

    I say Gambit ftw.

  • Matapiojo
    August 26, 2009
    #12

    I don’t see current Gambit beating current Spiderman. Parker would be too much for the cajun to handle as his agility FAR exceedes even that of Beast.

  • Asger
    August 26, 2009
    #13

    I agree with Matapojo. Spiderman at his peak is one of the most agile beings in the MU. And his intelligence,strength and cunning exceedes that of Gambit. While I think a deck full of explosive cards could KO Spidey, I’m doubtful Gambits reflexes could keep up with Spideys.

  • Matapiojo
    August 26, 2009
    #14

    Oh, there is little doubt that the spider could go splat from a single kinetic attack. I just don’t think Gambit will connect in the first place.

  • ss
    August 26, 2009
    #15

    you guy are forgetting that if spidey even touches gambit, or webs him, he will get charged and blow up, also, based on his previous fights, gambit has shown himself adept at using his enviremient to his advantage

  • Asger
    August 26, 2009
    #16

    Did I not mention the whole ‘Organic and Inorganic’ thing SS? And,again Spidey is a scientific genius. He would have an understanding of Gambits powers,and if Spideys webbing is currently produced by the mechanical webshooters he would try to avoid giving Gambit such an oppurtunity.

  • Matapiojo
    August 26, 2009
    #17

    “based on his previous fights, gambit has shown himself adept at using his enviremient to his advantage”

    That is hardly an advantage against the (arguably) most proficient brawler to make use of his environment. Peter is not just adept in this department, he is an absolute master.

  • ss
    August 26, 2009
    #18

    @Asger
    yes you did, but when i looked it up he can now use it to charge organic matter, plus spieys suit isnt organic, and unless otherwise stated, they dont have prep time

  • ss
    August 26, 2009
    #19

    @mata
    i dont think he is better than gambit but im open to being corrected there, i just havnt seen him use his envirement much, where as gambits powers are really useful ON the envirement
    @Asger
    sorry i read it wrong, u wer right, but his suit and webbing still stand, he has many other power people arent addressing here, once agsin sorry about the misconception

  • ss
    August 26, 2009
    #20

    sry for the rere post i was rite asgar, from wiki
    At his full power, Gambit is able to charge any organic or non-organic matter within his line of sight through thought.

  • Asger
    August 26, 2009
    #21

    Yes, but as others have pointed out, Mr.Sinister removed his thought based power.

  • Matapiojo
    August 26, 2009
    #22

    “i just havnt seen him use his envirement much”

    Really?

    A web-slinging, wall-crawling, building-jumping Spiderman never uses his environment for combat?

    How about all those times he has proppeled his attacks from a nearby wall, sign-post, car, aircraft, or even THROWN objects?

    Or the times where he web-slings manhole covers, crashes cars together, or pile-drives into a cornered oponent?

    I clearly must be mistaken. Peter must be trowing those webs to the clouds in order for him to sling across the city.

    Jesus, Spiderman’s capabilities are cut dramatically in open spaces. The man’s fighting technique is completely dependant on the environment.

  • ss
    August 26, 2009
    #23

    @Asger
    and sage has since help him get them back
    @mata
    hey man dont do that, i wasnt all sarcastic with u like that, and that mostly
    (not all) mobility not fighting, throwing stuff ya, what i meant was most of his fightinng style involves webs and close combat

  • Matapiojo
    August 26, 2009
    #24

    Alright, sarcasm aside, pray tell what you refer to when you state that Gambit uses his environment to more effectiveness.

  • ss
    August 26, 2009
    #25

    the fact the for gambit EVERYTHING is a weapon, from a metal bar to a dirty diaper, to whatever building spidey is on, and added that he cand charge by sight and mind now, all he has to do is see spidey

  • Matapiojo
    August 26, 2009
    #26

    This whole “charging with a thought” line of debate is not valid. This is a Plot Indiced Stupidity (PIS) that imbued Remy’s abilities simply to fight against an alternate version of himself (New Son).

    As a result of that encounter, Gambit overloaded New Son with everything he had. Gambit no longer has this level of control over his natural powers. Meaning, no remote controlled boom.

  • ss
    August 26, 2009
    #27

    as i said before he got the power back with help from sage, he can do it now, look it up

  • Matapiojo
    August 26, 2009
    #28

    Further,

    Spider man DOES use everything in his immediate vicinity in combat. He has ripped the very ground his opponent stands on from under his feet. He has collapsed entire structures on top of his oponents. He has used the inertia from all sorts of vehicles, redirecting their trajectory with webs onto his target.

    So again, what is Gambit’s advantage here?

    As it stands, Spiderman has performed much more fantastic feats of environmental ingenuity in offensive and defensive actions than Remy ever has.

  • Matapiojo
    August 26, 2009
    #29

    “as i said before he got the power back with help from sage, he can do it now, look it up”

    Unlike most, I DID look it up. Just like I always do.

    However, your genius neglects to mention that every source on the webs that references to Sage’s restoration denotes that it was to the ORIGINAL power levels. Your claim is not within his current repertoire. It is now MY turn to tell YOU to go look it up.

    To top that off, I own the issues in question. I have read all of those stories first hand. You wishfull thinking cannot make things true, despite your best efforts.

    …please, don’t argue that point with me. It is folly.

  • ss
    August 26, 2009
    #30

    i may have been mistaken, but still man one again my original arguement stands then, and dude thats the second time all i said was look it up and u go off on me

  • Matapiojo
    August 26, 2009
    #31

    But don’t take my word for it. Let’s indulge you presumptuous statement.

    Marvel: http://marvel.com/universe/Gambit
    “Following his climactic battle with the New Sun, Gambit lost this enhanced level of power.”
    “During their final battle, Remy burned out his enhanced powers to defeat the New Sun, ending his threat and returning his powers to their normal level.”

    Comic Vine: http://www.comicvine.com/gambit/29-1499/
    “Following his climactic battle with the New Sun, Gambit lost this enhanced level of power. He regained his original powers with Sage’s help.”

    Finally, some respect threads for you all to do your own comparisons for the fight at hand.

    Gambit:
    http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t403688.html
    http://www.comicvine.com/gambit/29-1499/gambit-respect-thread/92-22630/

    Spiderman:
    http://www.comicvine.com/spider-man/29-1443/spider-man-respect-thread/92-19878/
    http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t455955.html
    http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=17216177

    Wikipedia (granted this one is ambiguous and it was likely your only source): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambit_(comics)
    “However, he burns out his powers after fighting New Sun. He regains them with Sage’s help.”

    Marvel Wikia: http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Remy_LeBeau_(Earth-616)
    “After Bogan was defeated, the X-Man named Sage used her mutant ability to “jumpstart” Remy’s mutant powers and he rejoined the team.”
    “Former Powers
    Total Kinetic Control: Gambit was temporarily given his full potential to battle his counterpart New Son.”

  • Matapiojo
    August 26, 2009
    #32

    Oops, looks like i got the copy/pasting mixed up. Hopefully you all can make out what’s what.

    and…

    “dude thats the second time all i said was look it up and u go off on me”

    When you tell me to “go look it up”, you take a standpoint of superiority in the knowledge that you are right, therefore I must be wrong. This led you to make a statement that underlines me as an individual who pulls facts out of his ass.

    Clearly, I am not. So it falls onto me to put you in your place.

    Now, it is neither my fault, nor my problem, if you take offense to anything that is said on an generally obscure message board on the internet.

    Here is a napkin, go wipe your vagina.

  • ss
    August 26, 2009
    #33

    i have a very simple policy on these things, i like to debate, not getinto flame wars, as u obviously like, and as to what u just said, look at it again, doe it look like something someone we know would say? hmmm? expert? exactly, and i will meet your crude insult with and equally crude one
    FUCK YOU BITCH
    and to think i was looking forward to a debate with you, have fun riding robs dick

  • Matapiojo
    August 26, 2009
    #34

    Yes, because I clearly resorted to obscenities.

    I heart n3rd rage.

    /golfclap

  • ss
    August 26, 2009
    #35

    i notice how u completely ignored the part about your ego, i admitted i was wrong, have many times, but of course mata cant be wrong? no i think so, as i said i have no desire for a a flame war on here and id rather just get back to the topic, how will will spidey harm gambit? prove me wrong and i will admit, and no i didnt mean to sound superior, i dont think i am, nor do i think you or anyone else is, i simply meant what i said look it up, because what i was looking at inicated he got his powers back it did not indicate to what degree

  • Matapiojo
    August 26, 2009
    #36

    Please explain what reason would a person have to “admit they were wrong” when they were indeed not wrong. I am not affraid to recognize when I am in the wrong, but this is not the case.

    In my opinion, Spidey will deliver a beating with superior speed and agility. However, that is not the part of the debate that started this. I was not looking to prove Spider-man’s victory, I was simply debunking your claims of extreme power levels that translate to the equivalent of an OHKO.

    YOU were wrong. End of story.

    The victory is yet to be determined.

  • megafire
    August 26, 2009
    #37

    Indeed, the important difference here is that you are in fact wrong. And admitting that you’re wrong while you’re actually not wrong is just stupid, so what exactly do you want from Mata?

    That said, I doubt that Gambit can hit Spidey and Spiderman is indeed a master at using his environment. Anyone who says otherwise is either a liar or has no idea what ‘using your environment’ means.

    Now, I do believe that Gambit can only charge things through his hands at this point, am I right? If that’s the case, then webbing won’t do Spiderman much good, since Gambit could just charge those webs by touching them, as ss has said.

    However, if it comes to a melee fight, this means that Spiderman can simply give Gambit a major beating as long as he just avoids Gambit’s hands.

    And even if it’s not the case, a barrage of cars would do the trick.

  • ss
    August 26, 2009
    #38

    not what i meant but whatever, if it gets us back to debate ill drop the entire thing, i think this will be a long range battle, because touching gambit is to dangerous for spidey, my opinion
    @ mata
    do you agree with with this view of the match? i am just wondering

  • Asger
    August 26, 2009
    #39

    In terms of physical ability, Gambit would just scrape into superhuman levels.

    Spider-man on the other hand, is considerably powerful (Especially after the events of ‘The Other’,but I imagine thats been retconned) and while far from being equal to the likes of the Sentry, he could still give a beat down using his speed,agility and strength together.

  • Matapiojo
    August 26, 2009
    #40

    “if it gets us back to debate ill drop the entire thing”

    Wise.

    “i think this will be a long range battle, because touching gambit is to dangerous for spidey”

    In my opinion, not necesarily.

    Gambit’s power is not like touching an electrically charged fence. He must focus on what he is meaning to charge, and even then the strength of the kinetic discharge is dependant on how long he charged the object.

    While keeping things at range will most certainly be prudent for both sides, Spider-man would want to get closer to deliver his strongest strikes. Yes, Remy has enough speed and skill to work that to his advantage, taking a couple of blows just to land some sort of grapple, but I doubt this as Peter’s speed far exceedes that of Gambit.

    Add onto that the fames Spider Sense, and Remy will have a hard time connecting with his oponent at all.

  • ss
    August 26, 2009
    #41

    good point, spidersense complicates things,but he cant dodge everthing, ok and with the focus thing, ill give this to spidey with a 60 percent chance then , bringing in gambit tricking spiderman as a distinct possibility

  • Asger
    August 26, 2009
    #42

    Not really.Gambits hardly a genius. Outsmarting Spidey would be highly difficult for him.

  • Matapiojo
    August 26, 2009
    #43

    I look at this this way. Engaging Gambit in close combat would be slightly less hazardous than fighting Venom, Carnage, Sandman, etc the same way. Those villains have the capabilities of creating defenses that would harm Parker on contact. With the exception of Sandman, their agility is at least at par with Spider-man’s.

    Considering current incarnations, I don’t see Spidey loosing this one.

  • megafire
    August 26, 2009
    #44

    Yeah, I agree with post 43.

    Spiderman has had worse.

  • ss
    August 26, 2009
    #45

    thats why i gave it to spidey i put it a a possibility, spidey has also ben beaton by thos people to come back and beat them later, with this if he makes a mistake with gambits pwer, its over, but yes i say spidey wins
    @asgar
    not saying he is, but he is trained and armored(light not enough to stop spidey), means he has a chance

  • Matapiojo
    August 26, 2009
    #46

    As a combatant, Gambit is superb indeed. He would give many of marvel’s close combat specialists a hard time.

    It just so happens that in this particular scenario, his oponent outclasses him in speed and agility, that’s all.

  • cyborg pirate ninja jesus
    August 26, 2009
    #47

    lol i remember suggesting this

    i think spidey would win but i wanted to know what gambit could do because he was pretty awesome in xmen wolverine

    and admin why is text box and other things changed?

  • Jwlynas
    August 27, 2009
    #48

    “Not really.Gambits hardly a genius. Outsmarting Spidey would be highly difficult for him.”

    Don’t sell Remy short in intelligence. While not scientist-smart, he is one of the most adaptive, street smart people in the marvel universe. The guy has repeatedly held his own, without his powers, against mutants before now. He’s fought wolverine and won before now, which is no mean feat, and he always manages to catch people out.

    Gambit picks up a handful of gravel, charges some, or all of the gravel, and throws it in a scattered pattern. Charged, it’ll move faster, it’ll do a lot more damage, and it’ll send his spidey sense crazy. Hundreds of potential dangers incoming?

    Heck, Gambit with his normal compilation of powers has a pretty high maximum power output. He can charge himself, improving his strength, reactions, speed and presumably the impact of his hits.

    Lets not count the Swamp rat out just yet.

  • ss
    August 27, 2009
    #49

    @jwlyns
    “Heck, Gambit with his normal compilation of powers has a pretty high maximum power output. He can charge himself, improving his strength, reactions, speed and presumably the impact of his hits.”
    i read somrething about that, but does anyone know about how much they are increased?

  • Jwlynas
    August 27, 2009
    #50

    Given the nature of his powers, it’ll depend entirely on how long he charges his atoms. Given as things don’t explode until he lets them, and he can un-charge thing without negative effect… We can only speculate.

    Gambits powers fluctuate, Spidermans… actually they aren’t. He’ll spend as much time facing Venom and carnage together as he will against Vulture, Kingpin or Kraven.

  • cyborg pirate ninja jesus
    August 27, 2009
    #51

    from what i just saw i think that gambit could win considering he can turn anything he touches into an explosive weapon

  • Jwlynas
    September 1, 2009
    #52

    Barring organic matter. Spidermans webs are… are they biological? It changes a lot.
    His suit is fair game, but likely very hard to charge the damn thing while spidey is moving.

    Gah, Gambit’s powers vary too damn much to be sure…

  • cyborg pirate ninja jesus
    September 9, 2009
    #53

    i always thought spideys webswere made by him in his lab or whatever in cartriges

  • Asger
    September 16, 2009
    #54

    It varies. Some times they’re created in a lab,other times his body creates the webbing naturally. Depends on which Spidey incarnation we’re using.

  • cyborg pirate ninja jesus
    September 23, 2009
    #55

    i know spidey will go to hit gambit gambit will dodge put his hands on the grounds charge up the planet and kaboom!!!!!………hmmmm maybe not

  • dreski
    September 24, 2009
    #56

    I think gambit wud win bcuz wat if somehow gambit catches spiderman then charges his ass up like hammerhead or catches him w/o his suit or maybe pick up a handful of rocks or pebbles and blow him up spiderman is a bug

  • Asger
    September 24, 2009
    #57

    Thats assuming hes fast enough to lay his hands on Spidey.

    And he’s not fast enough.

  • Jwlynas
    September 24, 2009
    #58

    Have to disagree there. Spiders been hit by slower people than Gambit before now, and Gambits shown more than enough skill even without his powers to take down people faster than him.

  • Asger
    October 9, 2009
    #59

    If you’re referring to opponents such as Mysterio and Chameleon,I’d put their advantages there on trickery.

    As for taking down faser people,how fast are we talking here?

  • Jwlynas
    October 9, 2009
    #60

    I was thinking of people like Kraven, Rhino, Vulture, Hammerhead, Tombstone (is that his name?)
    Slow but powerful people, or people who have the agility and strength of normals.

    As for Gambits foes, I’m actually struggling to think of many. Wolvie i’ve mentioned before, I’m pretty sure Gambits put Quicksilver in his place once or twice before now. Toad too, and those two are pretty fast/agile.

  • Asger
    October 9, 2009
    #61

    I put that down to character shielding and plot induced stupidity. And to Rhino and Kravens credit they both posess speed on superhuman levels.

    I would put Spidey as being above Wolvie in terms of speed.While Toad and Quicksilver are both fast,to my knowledge they both lack Spiderman levels of strength. (Could be wrong though,feel free to correct me)

  • Jwlynas
    October 9, 2009
    #62

    While they might lack spideys strength, Quicksilver more than makes up for it with velocity, and Toad… well, no-one cares about toad.

  • nate
    December 6, 2009
    #63

    asgar it seems

    that you suck spidermans super agillity and super strength dick

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