i would say the galactic empire due to the size advanced tec and jedis/sith

Faction? Whilst the Galactic Empire could strike down hard and fast on minor powers such as the Goa’uld, you’re pitting her against the combined might of the Ancients, the Asgard, the Ori, the Lanteans, Wraith, Replicators and the Tau’ri; the summation of several galaxies worth of galaxy wide imperial powers against just one. Pure curbstomp from every conceivable angle and point of entry.

Point out to me the person who suggested this match, and I’ll show you one stupid and incredibly ignorant motherfucker.

“Point out to me the person who suggested this match, and I’ll show you one stupid and incredibly ignorant motherfucker.”

Shaun182.

Yeah, it’s only one faction. One star wars faction just can’t compete with that.

“this leaves the main contender the replicators vs GE”

That is one MAJOR aspect from the SGU that might prove to be quite devastating to the GE. The empires mighty industry would be like pouring an endless stream of fuel into the gargantuan forest fire that are the Replicators.

With their incredible rescilience to energy weapons, all it would take to down a SSD would be a single “bug”.

No, not a fair fight at all.

1) “I do find it amusing that when star wars is on the winning side of a debate we dont get this its unfair buisness”

You clearly haven’t read enough material from this site or from the world of science fiction in general. Your inability to create and research an interesting debate notwithstanding, the consensus amongst most Factpilers in such lopsided scenarios is to simply state the “why and how” and simply move on.

This argument basically claims that because the Empire has numerous built-in advantages over other factions, it’s not a fair fight. But this is a pretty strange definition of “fair fight.” If we decide that a fight is only fair when the two contestants are evenly matched, then all fair fights will end in a draw. Does this make sense? I don’t know about everyone else, but my definition of a fair fight is one in which the two contestants have to play by the same rules. The two contestants don’t have to be evenly matched. If Lennox Lewis fights Pee Wee Herman, I consider it a fair fight as long as both fighters wear the same gloves and obey the same rules. It would be an incredible mismatch, but it would still be a fair fight.

Shaun is trying to take the definition of a fair fight and turn it into an argument of unfair bias on my behalf, but what he doesn’t realize is that I’m not accusing this of being an unfair fight, I’m accusing this of being a borderline retarded and poorly researched match without merit for debate or reason.

You could pit the the Xeelee and Downstreamers against the United Federation of Planets; and whilst it would still be a fair fight, it would be horribly lopsided and full of wank.

2) “When there facing an individual,group or universe they can stomp all over we dont get this kind of moaning”

If you are paying attention (and not that I suggest you could), my very first post in most threads is declaring the reasons why one side is the victor, the other the loser and why it is purely academic to pick out every speck of fly shit out of the pepper corns like an anal twat. If you chose to bite down like a rabid Dog and never let go, Shaun, then I would have no reason not to put you down.

3) “but at least they try but put star wars at the disadvantage you get called an “ignorant motherfucker””

So you admit (at least that is what I think you’re stating, your English is so mangled I’m having difficulty translating it) that your reasons for creating such a lopsided “debate” were for the sake of some personal vendetta rather in lieu of decent discussion? As I said Shaun, it becomes too difficult to discuss a topic when the sound of your wanking is distracting us so much.

I’ll retract my statement. You aren’t an ignorant motherfucker, just a sad little motherfucker looking to score a few points.

/Golfclap

4) “i cant even think of fighting in a universe that the other side has no more knowledge or advantage then the GE does and your telling me its hopeless the empire should commit suicide”

My God, you are a stupid, stupid little bastard.

Nobody here suggests that the Galactic Empire would simply comply and drop dead (in fact their fanatical zeal will let them bleed out for some time), but what YOU don’t seem to understand in these matches is that when such a lopsided outcome is immediately foretold from the very first millisecond, when even the average internet user is capable of using their brain and deducing the most logical outcome with a quick google search and a dash of common sense (e.g. not you) any type of useful debate is going to be utterly fruitless.

You clearly have not put anymore thought into this debate than the average Human uses to stimulate basic automated respiratory functions. For shame on you.

1) “i tried to create a scenario i which would be challenging for the empire”

When even a secondary impulse thought would have made you realize that pitting an entire universe filled with half a dozen mid-tier galactic powers against just is more than just challenging (which WOULD have made a fun debate), but is a case of dominating without recourse for anything other than one very obvious conclusion.

How about from now on we all say “fuck it” to common sense and post ridiculously lopsided matches without taking even a second to research basic facts such as…I don’t know, Ancient hyperdrive speeds being measured at an average of ten BILLION times the speed of light?

That took me a whole thirty seconds to uncover with a quick google search, five seconds to calculate and two seconds to type.

alrite fine i fucked up im big enought to admit

so lets even things out and make it star wars vs stargate forget the original heading and start anew from here is that okay with everyone or do you want to complain a little longer

@admin if all possible a request a change to the title of this post from galatic empire vs stargate to star wars vs stargate
keeping at at everyone at their prime and a neutral universe so that no one starts with a homefield advantage

“Certainly not the worst match ever to be suggested, just check the Master Chief Vs. threads for that.”

Agreed, I think the best example of that would be the recent MC vs Green Lantern……

I think with time the Empire could win…I mean look at the tech gap and their numbers and resources

“the story though, if how Hulk does not have the Factpile award in the MC vs. thread…..so unfortunate…..”

Honestly,FP awards should only be given to fair matches.Easy victories matter little.

Wow an unfair match !
Haven’t seen THAT before

The Goa’uld don’t have shit, I mean they got destroyed by the Empire in that previous thread, so that is self explanatory

From what I have heard in the Wraith Darth vs Tie thread Wraith Darts can be taken out with modern day PISTOLS…wow, an armada of Star Destroyers can’t deal with that…

Kull Warriors will get pwned, and badly, because don’t they still use plasma weapons? Correct me if I am wrong, but if they still do then it will harmlessly bounce off every piece of infantry the Empire has to offer

That’s about all I know (all from the sources of Factpile) but I seriously couldn’t see anything Stargate has taking out Star Dreadnaughts or the Executor or even the Death Star…

“How could you send in an unfair fight!?!”

As I stated once before:

This argument basically claims that because the Empire has numerous built-in advantages over other factions in previous discussions, it’s not a fair fight. But this is a pretty strange definition of “fair fight.” If we decide that a fight is only fair when the two contestants are evenly matched, then all fair fights will end in a draw. Does this make sense? I don’t know about everyone else, but my definition of a fair fight is one in which the two contestants have to play by the same rules. The two contestants don’t have to be evenly matched. If Mike Tyson fights Pee Wee Herman, I consider it a fair fight as long as both fighters wear the same gloves and obey the same rules. It would be an incredible mismatch, but it would still be a fair fight.

You can pit the Downstreamers, the Ancients, the Xelee, Precursors, Forerunners and the Galactic Empire against the Borg; and I would still consider it to be a fair fight. It would be a horribly lopsided mismatch and there would be no other foregone conclusion than an instantaneous curbstomp on a molecular level, a quick, pointless and rather bland wank-worthy curbstomp with no room for discussion that is.

Does that sound like the type of discussion we should employ at Factpile?

Personally, I would prefer matches that are “closer” to each other than necessarily being “fair”

Which is the reason why if a match is suggested (say Samus vs Ironman) and after learning that with some of Tony’s uber suits he can decimate Samus, the rules are changed to extermis to make it a “less fair” but “closer” fight which is ultimately more intellectually interesting.

It might be fair to give Tony the best suit in his possession, after all the same is done for Samus. But if the discussion can be Meaningfully prolonged by restricting Tony than I would be all for it.

In this case, if the GE would predictably lose to Stagate U, than I would request right now that it be changed to the Star Wars U vs Stargate U to make this thread more interesting. Obviously in this instance I would be also trying to make the match “fair” and “closer” at the same time, but I think my point is understood

However, some discretion would be needed, as obviously the less popular character, yet more powerful, could be overwhelmed by cries of NERF NERF until he/she loses to the more popular character. This could be a problem, but I think it can be avoided.

/shrug
That’s how I see it anyway. After all, the whole point of this website is to have discussions, and its kinda hard to have good discussions about matches that, while fair, are not even close at all.

Except nobody is crying about fairness or popularity (Shaun was the idiot who got that ball rolling), that has never been a point of contention in the existence of Factpile and never will be. It is just incredibly apparent that the topic of this debate had a nail hammered through its coffin long before it was even posted, and that even a customary amount of research on even a broad level (seriously, even Stargate have their own wiki) clearly points to an overwhelming landslide victory when one faction is technologically and numerically overwhelmed by another six incredibly diverse empires. What is there to discuss that ultimately doesn’t lead to the same inevitable conclusion?

Jesus, I feel like I’m pissing in the wind with some people here.

“Jesus, I feel like I’m pissing in the wind with some people here.”

There was a really strong gust of wind today, It blew over a 60Kg table. Then it started raining lightly after 5 minutes….
O_o

@Whole Thread

*scratches head*

7 maybe 8 out of 33 posts are actually about the match up, and the rest is what amounts to online bullying? Seriously? Come on guys, I’ve come to expect better from Factpile. I can see how Shaun could have thought that perhaps the GE could take on all of Stargate, considering positivly asinine comments like this: “Kull Warriors will get pwned, and badly, because don’t they still use plasma weapons? Correct me if I am wrong, but if they still do then it will harmlessly bounce off every piece of infantry the Empire has to offer”

Singling out Shaun182 was… well, I’d rather not repeat the language vomited forth here, but simply put, a google search on Plasma would pull op the Plasma Wiki, and that alone would put an end to this ‘wah wah wah, PLASMA IMMUNE!11!’. Geez, that ‘PLSAMA IS INFEERIOUIR TECH!’ frosts me more then Halo fanboiys. Plasma is a state of matter, not a temperature, not a energy range. Plasma can range anywhere from -250 C to 50 million degrees. The Sun is made of Plasma, but clearly, a storm trooper would survive if we dumped him in the sun. Having such bullshit propagate a website called ‘FACTpile’ is just distressing.

To further add salt to the wound, the hypocrisy in this thread is just baffling. So apparently, stacking an entire Universe against one Faction from another universe, that might not be able to take on even one of the higher factions in the opposing universe is pure stupidity and utter incompetence on the part of the suggester? Hmm… I seem to recall another match being just like this…

Oh right. http://www.factpile.com/star-wars-vs-imperium-of-man.htm#comments

People didn’t cry ‘unfair matchup!’. Sides were taken, and debates were layed. People tried to think of ways that the IoM could win, even though it was totally mismatched.

I do not think that this match should be changed to Star Wars vs. Stargate. I think people should quite complaining and actually debate. Sure it may be a Curbstomp, but come on, we put Halo against Warhammer 40,000.

Oh, and just thought I’d point it out, but while Shaun suggested the match, Admin posted the damned thing. We’re better then this. You are all better then this. In fact, the only person in this entire thread that I believe conducted himself like a proper Factpiler is Shaun.

-A Very Disappointed Factpiler

Yeah…I agree with Skrunks…Shame on you all!

1) “from what i know the GE outweighs the combined SWU in number of ships and soliders somewhere in the realm of a 100 to 1 in ships”

And this information is based on?

2) “The majority of the SWU ships would be goa’uld and it has been mentioned several times how some of the weaker GE ships outclass them in firepower and sheilds to a level thats not even funny.”

Which covers ONE of the immediate dozen or so factions, a faction that is technologically inferior to most of the higher tier powers might I add. And I’m sure the rest will line up politely and await their turn; man, your impression of how warfare works is a joke.

3) “if the ori had thousands of ships at their command this would be over very quickly however they dont they may not have even ten ships”

And once again this based on? Jesus, the abundance of sheer conjecture in your post not only borders on unfathomable, it defies all common sense. Are you really telling me that a Theocratic regime from another galaxy would rule over an entire space faring civilization with only a dozen vessels in total, even though their Hyperdrive technology is a significant order of magnitude greater than that of the Galactic Empire?

Retard.

4) “and their technological advantage is not so great that this can be ignored”

Vastly superior hyperdrive technology, inertialess drives, teleportation, superior power generation, system wide molecularization technology, time travel.

Yeah, god knows how THAT translates to an advantage. Of course this is purely academic, since you haven’t provided any evidence of any quantifiable value (how shocking).

5) “And the GE ground forces are far in superior numbers,training and equipment than their SW counterparts stormtrooper vs jaffa”

And as we all know, the poorly armed and equipped trooper of just one flower tier faction out of an entire universe worth of civilizations spanning over the course of several million years is representative of the entire fighting standard of every civilization in said existence. Boy, it is apparent you really did not learn a single thing when I schooled you in the other thread on how invaluable superior spacial abilities are in wars between interstellar space faring empires.

Stay in school, you need it.

*Mewls for all the bleeding hearts out there*

The whole “immunity from plasma” meme stemmed from a statement I made regarding the inferiority of low velocity Covenant plasma weapon power generation in comparison to that of Blasters, which armours such as Plastoid could protect against with only minimal surface damage.

As I said, pissing in the wind.

Wait…”Each faction is at its prime” OMG! The Asgard before clones?! EPIC! The Asgard have control over nearly an entire Galaxy! I wanna see Asgard destroy everything SWs has! Along with the ancients and ori? Its been said before that all these factions will beat SWs but before clone Asgard! That is freaking epic!

“The Asgard before clones”

there is no reason the asgard would be at their prime before clones only from a biological viewpoint are they superior to later asgard whose ships would be far in advance to their ancestor’s who where shown not to even have FTL

replicators are a very serious threat apart from ascended beings they would be the greatest threat the GE could face

replicators take on the propety of what they constructed from so if the parent replicator constructs new blocks from steel than thats what the following replicator will be made from

I will concede this match epecially since this posting seems somewhat lighter on the insulting remarks and more on the topic, and the fact that ascended beings give the SGU side an advantage that GE can not overcome in any scenerio.

“there is no reason the asgard would be at their prime before clones only from a biological viewpoint are they superior to later asgard whose ships would be far in advance to their ancestor’s who where shown not to even have FTL”

The ancient Asgard did not have FTL…WTH!? Pure Fucking conjecture Shawn. Just because it isn’t shown it does not mean that they don’t have it. How many scenes have actually shown the ancient Asgard? Only about 10 scenes have been shown and you think from that little amount the Ancient Asgard dont’t have FTL.

Either way the Asgard would still kick a lot of GE ass.

“The ancient Asgard did not have FTL…WTH!? Pure Fucking conjecture Shawn.”

right is shaun with a u its at the top of everyone one my post’s but that not the point

in “revelations” it is shown that ancient asgard have to go into suspended animation, because the dont have FTL’s its not conjecture it is fact and the asgard of this time period where still clones but more humaniod so the asgard you but forward would be even less advanced then the ones shown here.

so asgard before encountering the replicator’s would be the ones at the prime, however i have already conceded defeat in this debate.

no problem now you know and knowing is half the battle GO JOE
lol cant believe i did that childhood brainwashing is what that is.

Just as an illustration of the importance of stasis pods used during “primitive” extra-galactic or long haul interstellar trips, let us analyze the basic requirements of a ten man human crew on a week long journey between two stellar regions:

1) Food: For a 150-pound person, the average daily consumption of calories would be 12 calories per pound per day x 150 pounds = 1800 calories per day; now multiply that by the number of days in a week and a ten man crew would require at a minimum 126,000 calories (or 5 tons of food).

This is for the average Earth-bound human though; NASA states that the average daily diet of an astronaut can be as high as 3200 calories (a body builder diet essentially), dramatically increasing the demands on intake.

2) Water: In a week, a ten man crew would consume over 210 liters of water at a minimum. Of course dietary requirements for astronauts are generally much higher, therefore the average consumption of water would be somewhere in the order of 500 liters per week. At this rate you are looking at a half a ton towing capacity for the entire crew.

3) Air: The average adult at rest inhales and exhales something in the order of 7 or 8 liters (about one-fourth of a cubic foot) of air per minute. That totals something like 11,000 liters of air (388 cubic feet) in a day. In a week this comes to about 770,000 liters (27,160 cubic feet) of air for a ten man crew.

4) Power: For personal amenities alone, the average American uses around 13 kilowatts per day, which to a crew could translate to about 910 kilowatts per week.

For the sake of efficiency alone it makes more sense to keep a crew in stasis during periods of transit, rather than keep them awake during prolonged stretches in which they would consume valuable resources necessary for survival.

“I accept that the must have be using an inferior FTL compared to modern asgard in order to cross the intergalatic bridge between the ida galaxy and milky way.”

Based on what? They were drifting on a faulty guidance computer through extra-galactic space for tens of thousand of years, we have no way of quantifying as to what capacity their drives were functioning in comparison to a mechanically stable FTL system.

After all you are the same guy who presumed that the Asgard traveled four million light years in thirty thousand years on a sublight drive system, perhaps you shouldn’t jump to conclusions just yet.

1) “I my opionon the guidance computer determines their course not speed”

No fucking shit, that’s why it’s called a NAVIGATIONAL computer. But even at a maximum velocity of several billion times the speed of light they have a near finite amount of room (that’s why they call it “space”) to veer off and stall at any point in extra-galactic for a continuous period of time before being discovered thirty thousand years. Is it just the fact that the term “drifting” new to you?

- noun
5. Aeronautics. the deviation of an aircraft from a set course due to cross winds.
21. Aerospace. the gradual deviation of a rocket or guided missile from its intended trajectory.

- verb
26. to be carried along by currents of water or air, or by the force of circumstances.
27. to wander aimlessly: He drifts from town to town.
28. to be driven into heaps, as by the wind: drifting sand.
29. to deviate or vary from a set course or adjustment.

- verb (used with object)
30. to carry along: The current drifted the boat to sea.

Or are you still under the ass backwards assumption that a malfunctioning navigational system took an immediate bee-line to the nearest galaxy out of four million light years of space?

2) “from when the ship was launched the asgard would have made some improvements in their ship’s since they no longer need to go into suspeneded animation and have been seen travelling from earth to the old homeworld in a matter of hours.”

Without knowing the exact details as to WHY they were put into suspended animation, WHERE the ship was going or the EXACT priorities of the vessel’s roster, your entire assumption is based on and compounded by a further series of assumptions.

i would say this has gone from debating the post to insults

“plus you have the ancients that made it possible to blink millions of light years in an instant via the star gates…. ”

ever heard the saying “speed kills”…get it…. dead Ancients….

just because they were fast might not necesarily make them superior warmongers….e.g. they might have been all peaceful like….

hey…i’m just saying..

L-W “the sound of you wanking” genius!

The Empire. No contest. Get over it.

I created this debate and even i have been shown that the empire has no chance against the entire SG universe, ascended beings just tip this too far into star gates favour for the empire to stand a chance.

I personally think wraith v.s galactic empire would be awesome !