The fanboy in me wants to give this match to Drizzt. But after some research, I’m not sure that victory could come easily. Skilgannon has an impressive pair of swords that easily match the Drow’s…
Who wins?
The fanboy in me wants to give this match to Drizzt. But after some research, I’m not sure that victory could come easily. Skilgannon has an impressive pair of swords that easily match the Drow’s…
Who wins?
January 27, 2009
#1
The better swordman wins.
January 27, 2009
#2
Dear God.. It was put up. I’m stunned
Many thanks Admins
I’d let wiki give a rundown, but skilgannon has about three lines. Even Druss only has a parapgraph. Its a travesty I tells ya!
Quick bit of background on Skilgannon.
Wielding the Swords of Night and Day, both swords possesed by demons, and having trained from a young age with swordmasters and dancers to push his agilty as far as it could go, and then some. Skilgannon beat his swordmaster at the age of 14, and went on to greater feats when his foster family were killed during a coup.
He went on to be the general of an all conquering army, only once meeting his match on the battlefield. No-one before or since has come close to matching Skilganon. Barring His own magically cloned and enhanced son. And skilgannon beat him too.
Master of the dual wielding style, tactician and martial artist, without the swords he is merely deadly. With them, he is unbeatable.
So, presuming Drizzt with his swords versus skilgannon with his own… Who comes out on top?
January 27, 2009
#3
Wow, this is one of those instances where the one that I know nothing of seems supperior on the surface. I won’t feel safe in casting a vote until I am able to read the Dranei Series, but I find it hard to see a being that can easily match Drizzt in his own playing field.
I guess I’ll have to come back to this one at a later date, or hope for others to provide even more info on Skilgannon.
January 27, 2009
#4
What kind of info do you need?
I have both books that will tell you anything about his life nearby.Battles, feats, Gods, comparisons.
Baring in mind he lives in a realistic world, where if a single man faces an army he will die, and where sieges usually end in huge, if not total, casualties for the defended, Skilgannon has only died once, in his 70’s, mere feet away from the king of the opposing army, having lead a charge of around a hundred men into an army outnumbering them ten to one.
And he came back to life because of magic, thousands of years later, in a world ruled by magic.
He went on to outwit what was essentially an evil batman with magic and minions, two blasts from the past and an army of were-creatures.
..Oh, and the true love of his life wants his dead.
January 27, 2009
#5
Oleg Skilgannon stomps on Drizzit, he is nigh on invincible with the Swords of Night and Day able to move with blistering speed and strength and if its post ressurection he has far more experience, having spent hundreds of years battaling evil souls in the Land of the Dammed. He is famed for being one of the greatest nashanite swordmasters ever, only being surpassed in skill by his psychopathic desendant Decado the Ice Killer who moved so fast he was able to defeat a precog in a swordfight. In ‘White Wolf’ and ‘the Swords of Night and Day’ Skilgannon fights against huge joinings made by ‘melding’ dying men to bears and tigers and other large carnivores.
If you’ve never read a novel of Skilgannon the Dammed then, well you’ve missed out big time. Also, it’s called magic, but it’s not, it’s acctually ancient technology that is more advanced in some areas, for example medical science, than a lot of science fiction.
January 27, 2009
#6
Oh, just wanted to say thank you Mr Admin for making this battle
No problem – enjoy! – Admin
January 27, 2009
#7
Glad to have you aboard JimmieRox
Will no-one stand up for the drow?
January 28, 2009
#8
I could always argue for him, but I feel I would be inadecuate in providing a logical opposite standpoint as I dont know Skilgannon. One thing is to know stats and attributes, but another is to know how he thinks and would react.
Besides, there are enough Drizzt matches up already to explain his stats (which I invite everybody to go have a look).
So far, what I have been able to read on the interwebs (very little actually) puts these two on a fairly even playing field. In my mind, this is a 50/50 fight where anything can happen depending on the given scenario.
Could either of you explain the properties of his swords?
Also, I invite you guys to join the forums. I started a discussion regarding Fantasy books and I’d like your input on that subject.
January 28, 2009
#9
BTW, this is an example of a future rocket scientist:
“The better swordman wins.”
/sarcasm
January 28, 2009
#10
It is annoying at times how little coverage Gammels characters get online, especially with the wealth of information one can find on eragon, which as literature rates just below fanfic crossovers of DBZ and Pokemon.
The swords enhance skilgannons already impressive speed and skill to a higher level. With them in his possesion he had made mockeries of master swordsmen, and taken on 6 skilled warriors without a wound being struck against him.
What their penetrative capabilities are its hard to say, but their “buffs” alone make him a deadly foe.
On top of that they are superbly crafted weapons, both short sabers, so easily dual-wieldable.
He also has a small shuirken-like weapon, but I can’t see that it would have any effect in this match
January 28, 2009
#11
I’ve always interpereted them as being more akin to three foot katanas than sabres, especially if you see the current book covers. This is because they are repeatedly described as curved and that they carried in a single wooded sheath worn across the back both of which are reminiscent of the swords carried by the Samurai. Also, he is able to wield one sword in a two handed manner which would not be possible with a short sabre. Lastly, he has never been known to need to sharpen, or care for the swords in any way, occasionally even sheathing a sword without wiping it clean. This indicates that they are eversharp and unbreakable. Another thing that lends credence to this is that both the Swords of Night and Day, the Swords of Blood and Fire (from which they where copied) and Deathwalker’s axe stayed sharp and untouched by rust or damage after centuries of neglect while buried in a tomb.
As Jwlynas stated they were imbued with spells to strengthen the user as well as granting them heightened reactions and improved speed. Unfortunatly as they were crafted by the Old Woman they also infect the user with bloodlust which in the end led to the Slaughter of Perapolis where after the battle the Queen ordered Skilgannon to lead his army through the streets of the city killing every one of the 10,000 inhabitants except for one child who was hidden by her mother. This was the main reason he became known as the Dammed.
The tattoos that adorn his upper body signify that he has faced and killed over a hundred fellow swordmasters and champions who felt they were capable of beating him in single combat. Needless to say they were wrong and Skilgannon is undefeated, the only person who might have stood a chance of beating him was the legendary Druss.
I think the main reason Gemmell suffers from under exposure is because he was British and secondly because he is dead, but mainly because his books are aimed at adults.
January 28, 2009
#12
*i said reason, i meant to say reasons
January 28, 2009
#13
Well Gemmel might get a little more recognition now he has his own award-event.
New this year, and a shameless plug for my favourite author. > http://gemmellaward.ning.com/
On topic: The basic reasoning behind the swords of night and day being sabers was that, with the way his sheathe works, it would be a feat indeed to withdraw both from the scabbard on his back at the same time. Three feet katanas, unless I miss my maths somehow, would require something like a 7-8 foot clearance for his arms.
January 29, 2009
#14
BTW, this is an example of a future rocket scientist:
“The better swordman wins.”
/sarcasm
As soon as you mess up….
January 29, 2009
#15
“As soon as you mess up….”
Hehehehe
The Triumvirate shall be there.
Count on it!
January 29, 2009
#16
I dunno, I always interpereted them as katanas although I saw the problems with th drawing I still only make the arm clearance 3 foot per arm but also I think the sheath is spring loaded to assist the quick draw
March 3, 2009
#17
that guy may be fast be drizzt has magic anklets of speed a fire eating sword and dwarf forged mithral armour plus i think guenhwyvar would burry him while drizzt cuts his throat
March 5, 2009
#18
Skilgannon doesn’t need armour, he is that fast! Does this armour cover his throat, his face, his extremities? No, then he’s dead!
March 6, 2009
#19
can skil out run a 600lb panther ? and no it doesnt protect his throat and face those scimitars that have every drow in menzoberranzan running in fear even magic users do and i dont know much adout the other guy i could not find anything even using google drizzt has fought countless monsters and plus if he started to lose he would just fall into the hunter a state of concentration that makes him far faster and stronger than normally also makes him alot more blood thirsty and yes it covers his extremities plus theres the fact drizzt can summon orbs of darkness to blind his opponent how good is skil at fighting blind??? cause the drows very good concidering his home city wherte he grew up has no lights i say drizzt for this one unless anyone can link me a website that tells me more about skilgannon and only if that site irrefutably tells me drizzt would lose will i change my opinion
March 6, 2009
#20
also to your drawing his swords problems maybe the scabbards are slit along the top edge so he only has to draw them half way be fore he can pull them out
oh geez i just realized i spelled menzoberanzan without any help i got watch a ufc match or something
April 4, 2009
#21
Look guys we all know that Olek Skilgannon would win. Drizzt has the hunter thing but Skil has the illusion of elsewhere wich is basicly the same thing and as it is a fight between two honerable people id have to say darkness globes and the wicked panther are out of the scenareo. And drizzts magical scimitars arent going to be very effective considering Skilgannon doesn’t have fire swords.
Note: the Illusion of elswhere allows Skilgannon to fight on instinct allowing for faster reactions iff all skillgannon fans can recall his fight against the Shadows in the book The Swords Of Night And Day.
Im a huge fan of both and this opinion is based on facts.
May 20, 2009
#22
Like Jianna said after the battle with Boranius: ‘There is no-one he cannot beat. He is Skilgannon.’
i don’t know who the other guy is, yet. i’m will read one of the books he stars in. but there’s no doubt in my mind that should they meet, skilgannon would come out on top, he always does(even in his fifties he raised Hell).
May 21, 2009
#23
As to the suggestion that a 600lb panther could even slow downSkilgannon…
I’ll just outline the basics behind a “Joining”. They are an unholy alliance of Beast and man. Often they will blend more than one animal into the mix, the most powerful attributes of each thing joined coming to the fore. Lions, Tigers, Bears (Oh my!), wolves, all of these have been molded to a human corpse and given life through magical means. What results is often only controllable by the maker themselves. The strength of a bear, the speed and agility of a Panther, the hunting instinct of a wolf and the bloodthirsty nature of a human killer all blended into one killing machine.
Skilgannon has killed these with ease.
oh, and with Thanks to Raven armories, i bring you The Swords of Night and Day > http://www.raven-armoury.co.uk/ ( They are under “Limited Editions”)
May 21, 2009
#24
“oh, and with Thanks to Raven armories, i bring you The Swords of Night and Day > http://www.raven-armoury.co.uk/ ( They are under “Limited Editions”)”
Great site, J. Glad you shared that.
May 24, 2009
#25
Olek Skilgannon would win. They don’t call him The Damned for nothing.
July 4, 2009
#26
Based on pure skill, I think these two would be on equal standing. They also both have magical blades. The real tie-breaker is this: Does Drizzt have a way of countering or neutralizing Skilgannon’s inhuman speed? If he can’t, Skilgannon will dance circles around him. If he can, Drizzt wins after a long, hard battle.
July 24, 2009
#27
After further research, I’ve concluded that Drizzt’s anklets of speed(which double the speed of his footwork OR the speed of his strikes) would compensate partially for Skilgannon’s advantage, but not quite enough to win. I’ll give this to Skilgannon based on pure swordsmanship, but I personally think that Drizzt will utilize some magical trick(like faerie fire or a globe of darkness) to distract Skilgannon for a split second to get a decisive blow in.
July 28, 2009
#28
@AHEM
i’m pretty sure that the swords of night and day not only increase his skills and speed and strength but also his senses which, by the way, are already buffed by the illusion of elsewhere.
August 22, 2009
#29
“i’m pretty sure that the swords of night and day not only increase his skills and speed and strength but also his senses which, by the way, are already buffed by the illusion of elsewhere.”
Drizzt has some pretty sharp senses as well, including infravison, that are stronger than any normal human’s. While Skilgannon could possibly get an advantage with his own buffed senses, it wouldn’t be a killing blow right there.
Also, can Skilgannon’s senses allow him to pierce a cloud of darkness that has been known to stop both super-sense-eyes and infravision techniques?
September 17, 2009
#30
If neither one of them used any magic, including using normal swords, they would be pretty evenly matched. Skilgannon is the best swordsman to have lived in his world in centuries, and for centuries thereafter. Drizzt is very close to being the best in his world, but his world has a higher limit on swordsmanship, which brings them to pretty darn even.
With their magic swords included Skilgannon gets the nod though. His swords are just simply far more powerful and improve the wielders abilities far more than Drizzt’s do.
With all magic included the nod goes to Drizzt since he has more than enough magic equipment and abilities to balance with Skilgannon again, plus he has a magic panther ally which has to be included because she is summoned via a simple magic item. Even the Skilgannon could destroy the panther easily, he still would have to deal with her while dealing with Drizzt, and that would be sufficient advantage for Drizzt to take him.
So my conclusion is that it depends on the rules of the match.
September 17, 2009
#31
“So my conclusion is that it depends on the rules of the match.”
Well, since no restrictions have been placed, I’d assume that both parties have all of their items and powers. That will leave it a close contest between Skilgannon’s enhanced abilities and Drizzt’s magical support.
September 18, 2009
#32
I don’t know much about that panther but Skilgannon has cut down joinings with relative ease, so Drizzt might as well not bother summoning it.
September 21, 2009
#33
“I don’t know much about that panther but Skilgannon has cut down joinings with relative ease, so Drizzt might as well not bother summoning it.”
I don’t think it would be entirely correct to dismiss Guenhwyvar so easily, even if Skil has taken down joinings before. As formidable as these creatures sound, I’m not so sure how they would stack up next to Guen. Guen is not just an ordinary panther, after all, but a spiritual-hunter-aspect being that comes from a different plane than the mortal world, and is magical in nature. While I think Skil could probably beat the panther, it would not be so easy as has been implied.
September 25, 2009
#34
Skilgannon would take this battle because of his kinship to Decado the Ice killer. His bloodline says it all
September 25, 2009
#35
“Skilgannon would take this battle because of his kinship to Decado the Ice killer. His bloodline says it all”
as poetic as that sounds, i feel obliged to tell you that blood alone won’t do it. this is a contest of skill and might. They are both great warriors and are evenly-matched.
September 25, 2009
#36
how good is Orek at dodging crossbow bolts fired from the wrist. Poisoned with a knock out drug?? hmmmm? dont forget that he is hundreds of years old and is a skilled mage… and that his garb makes him nigh invisible and extremely hard to hit….
does orek have these skills???
September 25, 2009
#37
Drizzyt has this. I have read every series of them except the Crystal Shard, and completely know his abilities. He imporved on a move hundreds of years old, went into a Mind Flayer hive, and came out alive, and fought the strongest Demon known in Faerun.
Keep in mind he was still a child for all this, about 10 years to us…….
Guenhyvar would be a big distraction, and if Skil ‘Kills Guen…….. Drzzt goes into his rage. Once he goes in, Skil has no chance.
September 26, 2009
#38
hmm, you guys bring some very important points here.
But Skilgannon is anything but inexperienced. You see, some 40 years, or so, after the events of White Wolf, Skilgannon was killed in battle. He was about 70 and he still managed to kill the invading king. A thousand years later Skligannon was ressurected and played an important part in helping defeat The Eternal’s Army and bring peace to the Drenai world. Although there’s no such thing there.
In beetween his death and ressurection, Skilgannon spent his time in the Void (similar to Purgatory). In here he had to fight against demons and the such to survive and not be vanquished.
Basically Skilgannon has the fighting experience of two lifetimes and from his time in the Void.
September 27, 2009
#39
“how good is Orek at dodging crossbow bolts fired from the wrist. Poisoned with a knock out drug?? hmmmm? dont forget that he is hundreds of years old and is a skilled mage… and that his garb makes him nigh invisible and extremely hard to hit….”
Hmm, now here are some interesting points for the Drow.
Ranged attack could put Skil out of commission and end this fight, unless the Damned brings some manner of ranged weapon of his own. I’m probably not a certified Drizzt expert, since I’ve only read the first half dozen or so of his books, but I don’t remember him having magic. When did he learn magery, and what are the extents of his powers? If he can really use magic, like a wizard, then Skil is probably doomed.
“Guenhyvar would be a big distraction, and if Skil ‘Kills Guen…….. Drzzt goes into his rage. Once he goes in, Skil has no chance.”
Drizzt tends to go into a rage anyway, what with the Hunter coming out and all. Anyway, “killing” Guenhyvar would only buy Skil a little time, since the Panther can (eventually) regain it’s strength after its physical form is destroyed.(However, unless Drizzt seriously stalls this battle and runs away to fight later, he’ll probably only be able to use the panther once, here.)
September 30, 2009
#40
Now the dodging crossbow bolts is an interesting problem. All I have to go on is comparisons.
Druss the legend, an axeman of unsurpassed skill and strength, though slower than Skilgannon, was able to cut an arrow from the air with a heavy, two handed battle axe. At the age of around seventy.
Skilgannon, in this match, would be in the prime of his life, with far better speed behind his arms and almost instantaneous reactions. Now this isn’t quite incontrovertible evidence, buts certainly worth considering. Is Skilgannon fast enough to cut a bolt from midair at range?
September 30, 2009
#41
Maybe, but so is Drizzt. In fact, he can cut down hurled spears with his eyes closed, as taught by Mooshie.
October 3, 2009
#42
“Is Skilgannon fast enough to cut a bolt from midair at range?”
I think this might come down to range. If Drizzt fired at the far end of what distance the crossbow is capable of hitting at, then I’d say Skil’s speed and reflexes would allow him to stop it. If Drizzt is closer . . . that would be harder to say. I think a stealth attack is the drow’s best bet here.
Could Skilgannon knock a bolt from the air if everthing around him is dark and he can’t see either his opponent or the crossbow shooting at him?
October 16, 2009
#43
Skilgannon has killed shadow creatures, in pitch black darkness. These shadow creatures paralyze with a bite or scratch, and they move so fast they they appear to teleport. He killed three of them, while barely alive.
Again, conjecture, but its safe to assume he can deal with darkness.
November 17, 2009
#44
I just finished reading “The Swords of Night And Day” and i’m a big Gemmell fan. I’ve also read The Icewind Dale Trilogy so I know a little about the drow elf. Skilgannon as invincible as he seems would have been killed by Boranius twice if not for help. In their first fight he was saved by a soldier who threw a spear and distracted Boranius, and in the second fight the Joining Orastes had taken a sizeably chunk out of Boranius and he was not at 100%. In “The Swords of Night And Day”, Decado would have killed Skilgannon if he had not fought alongside him and come to honor and respect him. So there are two fighters who are more skilled than Skilgannon and he himself knew this. In a fight like this Drizzt would not use any of his magic or tricks just he didn’t use any when he fought Entreri the assassin. It would be a straight up blade against blade fight. The fact is that Drizzt has waaay more experience than Skilgannon. Some people speak of Skilgannon’s time fighting demons but he can’t even remember much of this so this would not count. And who are these demons anyway, are any of them impressive in any way? It would be a very good fight but if I had to pick a winner then I’d have to go with Drizzt as he’s just crazy and everyone knows crazy people always wins. And yes i’m crazy too
December 5, 2009
#45
“It would be a very good fight but if I had to pick a winner then I’d have to go with Drizzt as he’s just crazy and everyone knows crazy people always wins. And yes i’m crazy too”
That’s an . . . interesting take on this.
January 6, 2010
#46
“Skilgannon as invincible as he seems would have been killed by Boranius twice if not for help”
Boranius, both times, was wielding magical weapons far in excess of Skilgannons own, so thats somewhat of an unfair comparison.
And I believe, so was Decado in the future. Skilgannon still held his own and more against the both of them, often giving back just as many wounds as he took.
“Some people speak of Skilgannon’s time fighting demons but he can’t even remember much of this so this would not count.”
Its more about his skill prior to that. He was fighting these demons for thousands of years, and its clear from the stat of his mind and soul (Both being strong even when he was resurrected) that he’[s barely had any ill effects. The demons have been spoken of before. The Rajnee for one, the Dukes for another. He’s lived that long in a world filled with horrors beyond imagining. And he’s lost none of his skill. Thats, to me, speaks of impressive skill indeed. More than enough to deal with an upstart elf.
January 7, 2010
#47
“Skilgannon has killed shadow creatures, in pitch black darkness. These shadow creatures paralyze with a bite or scratch, and they move so fast they they appear to teleport. He killed three of them, while barely alive.”
Skilgannon is sounding more and more formidable. I had little idea he had so many extraordinary feats to his name.
January 7, 2010
#48
All of Gemmells characters are like this. Men of legend in a world of fighters, indomitable spirits in mortal form that fight impossible odds and win, not through overpowered items or the power of love, but through sheer badassery. There is no books series I can ever recommend more than his version of the Trojan War.
Skilgannon is probably the best swordfighter in the set though. there are others who are fantastic (Bane the bastard, Culain the Lord of the Lance), but Skilgannon… he’s something special.
January 7, 2010
#49
“All of Gemmells characters are like this. Men of legend in a world of fighters, indomitable spirits in mortal form that fight impossible odds and win, not through overpowered items or the power of love, but through sheer badassery. There is no books series I can ever recommend more than his version of the Trojan War.”
I must admit I’m intrigued. Gemmell’s series sound like an interesting read. I’m currently in the midst of 3 different book series right now, but I think this might be one author worth looking into eventually.
January 12, 2010
#50
Have read both series,and its a close match, and as has been pointed out before, both fighters have faced better swords men, Drizzt with his father and Entreri (just) also do we know how good Jarxle really is? and Skill would have been bested by Boranious the weilder of the swords of blood and fire, Also i’d be inclined to say Decado might have been better too,
its too close to call and i’d go with drizzt purely on the fact he has mithrill armour,
what would be a good fight is Druss the legen and wulfgar!!!!!!
January 12, 2010
#51
“its too close to call and i’d go with drizzt purely on the fact he has mithrill armour,”
This is a good point of hope for the drow, since Skilgannon is a more lightly armored type of character. Could armor forged of mithral provide enough protection to survive a blow from the Swords of Night and Day?
January 12, 2010
#52
Hmm… Its never been known for armour to stand up to the Blades of Night and Day, indeed the swords have cut through magical crystal before now, but then there are no (to my knowledge) magical armours in the Drenai series, other than the armour of bronze.
Is it a special mithril armour, or “just” made of mithril?
As in, does it have other magical properties?
January 13, 2010
#53
It would cut through mithril without much problem like the crystal and other armours, however, its not so much the strength of the armour against the swords its the fact that in htese epic battles there are always nicks and cuts on each combatant because they cant get a stronge heavy hit, so i think the armour would give a fair bit of extra protection from light contact hits,
as far as i’m aware the armour is mastercrafted, not magically imbued at all,
January 20, 2010
#54
“It would cut through mithril without much problem like the crystal and other armours, however, its not so much the strength of the armour against the swords its the fact that in htese epic battles there are always nicks and cuts on each combatant because they cant get a stronge heavy hit, so i think the armour would give a fair bit of extra protection from light contact hits,”
Hmm, a good point. A really strong, direct blow would still likely be fatal, but against light nicks it might be an important advantage.
January 27, 2010
#55
“Boranius, both times, was wielding magical weapons far in excess of Skilgannons own, so thats somewhat of an unfair comparison.
And I believe, so was Decado in the future. Skilgannon still held his own and more against the both of them, often giving back just as many wounds as he took.”
yep they both held the swords of Blood & Fire. The Old Woman crafted The Swords of NIght and Day after them.
“Skilgannon is probably the best swordfighter in the set though. there are others who are fantastic (Bane the bastard, Culain the Lord of the Lance), but Skilgannon… he’s something special.”
I know that the Jarek Mace wasn’t as good as Skilgannon but his shrewdness could keep him alive for a while. Also Mannan and the guy that had lost his hand in Knights of Dark Renown. But maybe not. truth is i like all Gemmell characters, from the books i’ve read of course.
January 27, 2010
#56
I’m currently leaning just slightly towards Skilgannon, maybe 6/10 victories for him. Hard match to call.
January 29, 2010
#57
Drizzt wins
His epically enchanted swords, anklets of speed, have Guen, dwarven made chainmail, AND faerie fire/darkness spell.
EPIC WIN FTW!
March 12, 2010
#58
Erm, I still think Skilgannon has the edge here. Though it would be close, very close indeed. In the end I think that Drizzt would be on the defensive for most of the fight, but I believe the key factor in the end would be stamina, or rather the lack of.