i wouldnt like to call a winner at this point, but the dalek saucer has weapons that can crack a planet like an egg “remembrance of the daleks”.

most ships are equipped with some form of temperal drive allowing time travel and they also have trans-mat allowing them to beam daleks onto the SSD.

so im leaning towards the saucer.

well I’ll have to give this to the Dalek Saucer here… I’m pretty sure it has more firepower…

which pre-time war era saucer is it then, since the variety of dalek space craft changes greatly thoughout the doctor who series some being on par with future human level technology other being near unstoppable juggernauts.

so if you cancelling the current status rule( i dont know if you can now it been posted) we will need to know which dalek saucer you mean, since early dalek craft wouldn’t even be able to dent SSD armour.

Computer cut me off.

That would include the capability to destroy planets, destroy continents, or split planets like eggs. You can take your pick. All of these are done with one bomb.

Daleks for the easy win, they are just far more advanced and powerful to be beaten here.

yes but no one wants to look foolish and choose the SSD.

“Nobody wants to chose the SSD because they are afraid of L-W”

Or this is just a thought here. That we know the SSD can’t win so we did not pick it, i mean whats the odds are we’re all as foolish as you???

And me being the first L-W fan-club member i don’t need to be afraid of him!

Actually L-W, I’ve seen debates where the Daleks(utilizing the power of all the EU) beating the Xeelee and the Culture.

“The ssd is far bigger
but the dalek sauser wins eather way, even if the daleks only board, the ssd would get ownd (unless they had dark troopers)”

Actually, I bet Daleks could even destroy Dark Troopers with ease.

What do you mean? I feel this comment is directed toward my comment at L-W.

“nope, just i know how much like doctor who, nothing wrong with that, its a great series but you really want someone to say something so you can use your collected knowledge about daleks to crush them.”

I do not want some one to say that just to pounce on them. Plus, we are talkin about War of the Daleks era, not Time War, so it would be a little bit fairer to the Empire.

Daleks of that time era do not have Time Travel IIRC, I mainly meant with the Daleks boarding the SSD.

Time Corridors yes, but Time Vortex drives on their ships, no if IIRC. Otherwise they could have easily destroyed the Thals.

We could limit the Daleks to Parting of Ways firepower and have the only boarders to the SSD be Robomen.

“Which effects the outcome, how? All that can be said are that those individuals have been utterly ignorant of Xeelee cumulative powers. The Xeelee are pure, condensed masturbatory juices. They are obscenely powerful by the standards of rational sci-fi, with overkill capacity to a ridiculous degree. That’s not to say that Dr. Who hasn’t manifested being of pretty impressive fictional powers (against any conventional foe, the Daleks are near invulnerable), but the Xeelee are the result of one of those ‘create the ultimate race’ threads that crop up from time to time.

In fact I can only name a handful of fictional civilizations capable of competing with the Xeelee, and the Daleks aren’t on that list.”

The Xeelee can’t stop the Daleks from using the Reality Bomb or the Apocalypse Element. THe Xeelee have trouble trying to move to other universes, while the Daleks have no problems at all. The Daleks also have set up their own Eye of Harmony and Web of Time.

”
0.00 (a few short months after the Time-Sun is installed)
Fearing that other races might create forms of meaning and causality that are hostile to Gallifreyan society, the Time Lords decide to anchor all of causality to fit their observations. This was done by turning the Time-Sun into the Eye of Harmony. Working with the wisest of the Techno-Magi Rassilon discovers the secret of temporal fission and set the Eye of Harmony an eternal dynamic equation balanced against the mass of Gallifrey. Rassilon had to find and assemble the Key to Time to anchor the Web of Time. At the moment the Web is anchored the High Council stands before Omega’s Black Star as it is transformed into the Eye of Harmony while other Time Lords in Proto-TT Capsules wait at the extreme boundaries of what would become the Noosphere. The broadcast limits of the Eye of Harmony set the Space/Time range limit for these TARDISes and thus define the Gallifreyan Noosphere. By modern times the forward Time Parameter of the Noosphere is currently about 3,510,000,000 LD. The backward’s limit of the Noosphere is a few thousand years after the Event 0 (the Big Bang). These defined the outer limit of time travel. The Web of Time, within the Space-Time Vortex, is constructed by Rassilon and the Other. The Eye of Harmony creates a Universe of Positive Time, serves as an anchor for the continuity and causality of the Universe, and lockes down the Web of Time. The creation of the Web of Time also create Anti-Time – the opposite of Positive Time.
(NOTE: The Vortex’s creation by the Time Lords was stated quite clealy in NAs, but subsequent books like Quantum Archangel have show that the Vortex is the 5th dimension and the foundation of the first 4 dimensions. This would mean that it was formed during the Big Bang. For this reason I’m assuming that the Time Lords actually created the Web of Time within the Vortex.)

0.00 (The Moment the Eye of Harmony was activated / shortly after the founding of the Panoptican / Intuitive Revolution Night is probably not New Year’s Day)
0.0 Local Dateline. The old Gallifreyan calendar is abandoned. Rassilon’s harnessing of the Eye will become known as a galactic legend.

0.00 (The day that Rassilon anchors the Time Lords to the Vortex)
The Yssgaroth make their first attack on Gallifrey, destroy some of the machinery used to create the Eye of Harmony, leaving an impossibly massive empty space sitting under the Panoptican, with only the Eye of Harmony itself at the center of the void. This void becomes known as the Caldera.

?? Rassilon meets the Guardians and is banished because he questioned to deeply and because of the arrogance of the Time Lords.

?? (after the Time Lords come into being?)
The Elder Books of the Dark Time are written based on the rituals of the Gods of Ragnarok and the Eternals. They include the Green Book (tells of a white hole catastrophy), the Little Red Book, and the Black Book of Gallifrey. These books contain the rites and incantations that can control the Chronovores. They also speak of the Timewyrm and the the end of the Universe. Other important texts are The Bones of the Dead, and the Runes of Rassilon.
1 (1 year after the Eye of Harmony / 1 LD day 10)
Rassilon and Jelen create the Transduction Barriers and the Quantum Force field. Transduction Barriers are an 10 dimensonal defense field that separates Gallifrey’s continuity and history from the rest of the universe by locating it in a Micro-Universe outside of Time. Thus when you are on Gallifrey you are “outside” of the Universe and in Inner Time. They block atomic sized infiltrations, all weapons fire, and kamikaze runs but can’t stop spaceships from landing. The Lord President’s Rassilon Imprimatur and Presidential Code allow him to pass through the transduction barrier at will. When a Timeship passes through the Transduction Barriers the effect is visible from Gallifrey’s surface.

0-5? (takes a few years / after the Eye is anchored)
Over the years the power of the Eye of Harmony grows. The structure of the whole planet becomes a bio-system whose biodata acts as a planet sized receiver and processor of data from the rest of the universe. The Time Lords use the Eye of Harmony’s control over the Web of Time to map out every inch of the Universe and define the rational laws upon which it functions. The research performed by the Time Lords crystalizes the Web of Time around the Eye of Harmony, preventing events from occuring in any other way. This Intuitive Revolution destroys Irrationality and Magic. Cacophony (irrationality and magic) is banished from the Universe. This lack of belief might have caused the destruction of dragons, unicorns, faeries, slithy toves, bread-and-butterflies and other illogical creatures. It is likely that that this effect if retro-active, which would explain the failure of the Pythia (and other prophet)’s powers. The only magic-like power to survive is psionics. During this time (despite the protection of Sash of Rassilon) Rassilon suffers from gamma radiation poisioning from the Eye.

3 (3 years after the Eye of Harmony / 3 LD)
Rassilon creates the Great Key of Rassilon (not to be confused with the Rod of Rassilon). This object can be used to power the planetary defense time weapon, the D-Mat Gun. The D-Mat gun is the ultimate Omnicalculator. The Great Key links this quantum computer to the Eye of Harmony. When a target is “hit” by a D-Mat gun its entire timestream (and biodata if sentient) is recorded and then all of history is rewritten so that the only difference between this Universe, and the previous one is the total absence of the target. Objects hit with the D-Mat gun become Never-Objects existing only in the gun’s perfect memory.”

This, of course, is getting off topic, so if you would like to debate it, the thread would have to be made.

“From the viewpoint of the Daleks, once they have made contact with the Xeelee, the Xeelee will have always known of the Daleks. In addition, the Xeelee will by default grasp the absolute potentials of baryonic science: whatever there is left for the Daleks to learn, the Xeelee will have always had it, and they will have from the formation of the first galaxies to prepare an array of astroengineering projects on a cosmological scale to isolate the Daleks, if they prove to bother any minor Xeelee projects in the local area.”

Now I understand where you are going. These two species use completely different physics involving time. We have one side capable of making the universe convulse when they battle in the Void. We have another that has a time loop over themselves(yet, they still lose to the Photino Birds). We have the Daleks that can easily expand to other universes while the Xeelee has trouble with such a thing relying on the ring. If the Daleks play it smart and simply expand across the entire omniverse, than they should be able to come up with a means to defeat the Xeelee while they spread unchallenged.

As far as I know, the timeloop will only affect the Xeelee within their own
universe. If the Daleks do not enter the Xeelee universe, and expand around them
the Xeelee really do not have an advantage.

Dalek For the Win!!!!! (lol it appears that this time the SSD is going Down!!)

If we’ve learned anything from the original trilogy, then you will all know the stormtroopers suck. So if the Dalek boarded, which they almost always do, then the stormies are stormtoast. As for ship battles, the Daleks would still win. They can destroy planets. SSDs can’t. But what about the Death Star……….

“But what about the Death Star”

its got nothing on the dalek crucible, where the death star could destroy a planet, the crucible could destroy the multiverse, in a game of one-upmanship the daleks are always going to win.

“Storm-troopers are much more efficient than you give them credit for.”

even the crack troops, storm-troopers are ment to be, would not be able stand up to a full scale dalek boarding party.

As far as I know Doctor Who didn’t have extensive novelization spin-offs. I could be wrong, though.
Yet, it doesn’t really matter if they blew up a planet in a novelization or not – they’ve destroyed plenty of stuff /have been said to have destroyed more stuff on-screen.

However … when the Daleks decide to blow shit up, they blow shit up *good*.

This one goes to the Daleks. The only reason it would take any meaningful amount of time would be if they wanted to capture the SSD instead of simply destroying it, in which case, well, it takes however long is needed for teh Daleks to sweep through the SSD.