Woa.

I mean, WOA!

I think this will be the first time I go against the big green brute. Angron has enough power to curbstomp Hulk before he could get angry enough to fight back at an equal, or close enough standing.

Angron is possibly the nastiest thing Chaos has to offer short of the Gods themselves.

I think the Hulk probably takes this, I don’t know much about Angron but the Hulk is powerful enough to hurl mountains when he’s angry and unless Angron can match/surpass that he’s in serious trouble.

I’d love to see that oversized orc lose, I really would.

Angron was a primarch, the son of the God Emperor

He was the most violent of all known primarchs, and his legion the world eaters were known for bloody campaigns to a level that other space marine legions thought they were excessive something of an achievement for the 40k universe.

He sided with Horus and Chaos against the Emperor, and he and his chapter
soon came into the service of Khorne, and Khrone rewarded Angron be making him a demon prince and giving him domain of a world in the warp.

On one occasion it took an elite force of a 100 grey knights just to banish him back to the warp.

I need more info on Angron.

that doesn’t really help on the “what powers does he have front?” although to be fair I cant find a list of powers either. Anyone help?

Angron is the Primarch of the World Eaters traitor legion.

He grew up in a planet that favored gladiatorial combat. He carved his way to the top, beating litterally all oponents that were thrown at him (sounds familiar?) before he was found by the GEOM.

Angron then went through the procedure of becoming a Space Marine Primarch, taking control of the legion that bore his gene-seed. He then had his marines undergo a treatment he went through himself to enhanse their aggression many times over. This is how the World Eaters came to be. A legion that surpassed all others in their savagery and combat prowess.

The Heresy came, and Angron sided with the Warmaster Horus. He led the World Eaters in every assault, always being the first legion to unleash their fury onto the loyalist legions. With his loyal equerry by his side, their twin axes (Gorefather and Gorechild) clove a bloody path to the golden throne.

Khorne was pleased. He bestowed his blessings onto the entire legion, enhancing their power beyond even that of other marines. His approval was of such magnitude that he ascended Angron to Daemon Princehood. The Daemon Primarch has continued with numerous other horrendous campaigns ever since.

He rules a daemon world within the eye with terrible brutality where he alone is the master of all. He has several Bloodthirsters as his personal bodyguard, and a legion of Khornates spawn at his command. If you need to know, Khornate daemons do not respect others out of duty. They respect only power, and Angron is quick to massacre even Grater Daemons when he deems it appropriate.

It took a force of 100 GreyKnights to banish him back into the warp on the first war for Armaggedon. He butchered most all of these powerful foes before he was pushed back, leaving only three Grey Knight Terminators. It also worthy of note that a full Space Wolf force, led by their own Primarch, was the only reason why the 100 Grey Knights were able to battle Angron and his Bloodthirsters in the first place.

On another occasion he wove terror for two centuries, conquering dozens of sectors. This jolly event was later known as the Dominion of Fire. The imperium has not yet recovered all the territories lost in this event.

Like I said, Angron is the worst thing Chaos has at its disposal short of the Gods themselves.

holy shizzzz at #14 Mata. That puts anything else to shame.

but It raises the question; killed? If it means it in the most literal sense then Hulk doesn’t stand a chance, if its a one hit kill. Unless he came back from the dead?

(which very probably happened because Hulk can do anything the writers want him to eg the black hole thing)

So regular Savage Hulk can’t beat this guy? Damn.

Probably off topic, but how well would Green Scar fare against this guy?

@ Mata

“Angron is possibly the nastiest thing Chaos has to offer short of the Gods themselves.”

What about An’ggrath? I suggested this match so 40K could have a one on one triumph against Hulk, seeing as Kharn apparantly wouldn’t fare too well..

Opinions on my match up?

Well, fluffwise, Angron is supposed to be much tougher. However, GW will severely cut down the Primarch’s stats in order for him to be playable. An’ggrath has no such limitations as he is a FW creation.

I am possitive that Angron will be the lesser in terms of stats once the Datasheet is fully revealed.

My stand in all this is that they SHOULDN’T do any of the Primarchs if they are not willing to back up the claims of uberness within the rules. So far, the rules (although beastly) are a bit underwhelming when compared to the character’s fluff. I think it will be a terrible mistake to see Angron in black and white, but I will still enjoy it nontheless.

Well, Even though Angron’s full abilities haven’t been posted. He weilds Gorechild AND Gorefather. Think how much damage Kharn can cause with the lesser of those 2 weapons, Angron has both and is superior in combat to Kharn.

“I am going to go with Hulk here. Angron’s accomplishments have been listed, but not his abilities.”

Guess you don’t have any capacity for reason.

- Strength to rend adamantium with ease
- A weapon that is an OHKO
- A precense that instills fear and doubt onto any oponent
- Combat prowess to surpass ALL warrios in close quearters
- The ability to summon legions of daemons, including Bloodthirster bodyguards (whom are always by his side)
- The ability to tank power fists

No, I suppose no powers were listed.

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im going with angron now, the sword 1 hit kill seals it, though that dosnt really seem fair

sorry for the double but;
Mata; 500pts really? seems a little low.

“Mata; 500pts really? seems a little low.”

Indeed.

Like I said, GW will never get it right with Primarchs. But considering that you MUST have at least two Bloodthirsters by his side, the unit will be around 800+ minimum point cost.

I guess we will have more details later to know if Angron will be semi-customizable, not much has been revealed at this point. Also keep in mind that those Bloodthirsters will be very customizable themselves as you build them from the Codex: Chaos Daemons entry.

sorry Mata didn’t see your post.
800 pts is about right I think.
wonder how much the model will be??? 50 maybe more. maybe less

yes?
well that wraps that up, and award in one night is cool with me. and we proved it.

there gonna realease a model of angron?when?must have for my world eaters legion!!!

Isn’t abbadon stronger than angron.

Apparantly not.

“I know how to be Angron… pit him against wolverine, xena and MC…. the legions of Fanboism will not be denied…”

HAHA indeed

I have to agree with matapiojo

Abaddon is not stronger than Angron, smarter most likely where Angron likes to smash anything that moves, where Abaddon is able to bring together all the forces of chaos into single fighting force.

This is probaly down to Abaddon being the inheritor to the black legion one of the most powerful factions in the warp due to they stayed together in a single army instead of breaking off into smaller war bands and that they serve chaos as a whole not just one god

on side note a never believed that Abaddon was a clone of horus it made no sense to me since why not create an army of primarch clones i think that the similarities are down to him being more receptive to the gene seed.

Still building in my opinion Kenny.

“I believe that in these debates hulk starts off at the base level and builds up.”

Unless specified otherwise in the scenario (i.e. Green Scar, Joe Fixit, The Professor, etc.).

Its possible if Angron feel like toying with him, or if he learns of Hulk’s ability to grow in power, thus allowing him to do so for a fight worthy of his attentions.

Problem is, that’s not what Angron tens to do. This is more of a “massacre first, drink their blood later” sort of opponent.

Scenario 1:

“FIGHT!”

*Hulk gets Bloodreaper through his chest, impaling and destroying him in the process.*

Scenario 2:

“FIGHT!”

*Hulk gets GoreFather through his chest, impaling and destroying him in the process.*

Take your pick.

So… what all of you are saying is Angron delievers epic win… that seems right to me considering Angron beat Kharn and the Hulk v Kharn was closely contended.

“Not really unless hulk has to battle through an army of demons to get to Angorn and in doing so gets his power level to somewhere he needs to fight the demon-primarch.”

That is an interesting and quite possible scenario. If Hulk has to fight a horde of Khornate daemons/cultists/marines to reach Angron, the end result might be different.

Not leaning towards this as its not stated in the current scenario, but we could always debate it anyways just for shits and giggles.

Zombie Hulk with Power Cosmic, aka GalactaHulk?

http://www.bamkapow.com/bk_images/2008/06/05/hulk-amazing-feats/Galactusy-Marvel-Zombies-05.jpg

I know, I know, it’s cheating.

“Wait, we are comparing what Angron can do based of the damage he does in a TT game? Weird…”

not really since its the primary source for all WH40K its like gaining the knowledge for the hulk from the comics

i might give it ago but only for the debate not a personal belief so no bragging or calling me a retarded or idiot i’ll only do it if this is understood

I am aware of the advantage of Angron but this would be very boring if it stops now so with the terms agreed i begin.

it is known that the hulk absorbs energy normally in the form of radiation, seen in WWH when they refused to use nukes in the fear of making him stronger added to the fact blowing him up will just piss him off

so it is not impossible that the amount of energy a warp being such as Agron lets off enough the local reality actually shifts and changes, would not begin to actually feed the hulk power if not just enough, to fight and build up his rage and strength to a level with Angron and as the hulk has unlimited strength so he would if not killed surpass him.

The use of magical weapons on the hulk have only a limited effect on him in the past, epecially since he has fought gods such as thor and loki and still walked away.

This added to the fact simple impalment can only slow him down and eventually make him stronger since where ever he gets cut the skin in the area becomes harder and more resistant

@ I dunno
Ha ha ha lol
Hulk will go beast mode on him. Not that hulk would beat angron. *cough* *cough* *hulk wins*

No…no…NO!!! Angron looks completely awesome!!! NOOO!!! What have I degraded into?!!!

however hulks rage and power knows no limits where angron would never be permitted to excede his master khrone’s power.

Meaning Khrone himself would have to step in because if demons and khrone’s human worshippers start to believe hulk is greater than khrone by defeating his champion Angron, hulk would gain a growing presence in the warp which may bloom into actual godhood

HULK GOD OF WAR!!!

unlikely perhaps but not impossible

“No…no…NO!!! Angron looks completely awesome!!! NOOO!!! What have I degraded into?!!!”

BWAHAHAH! EMBRACE IT BARON! CAN YOU HEAR THE VOICES TOO??!?!

“Whos the oversized orc?”
I think he meant the hulk….. but seriously need more info on angron

“imagine the pure win of Space Marines wearing top hats made of ceramite”

Yes this would be awesome. Do it NOW!!!!!

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/8910/samedichapter.jpg

it would have power tea mugs if i could

i find it interesting how L_W hasn’t come to “give facts on” *cough*defend*cough* Hulk as he has in other figths…e.g. Hulk holding the fabric of reality together, or Hulk survivng an antmatter blast etc etc….

Also in a previous thread he mentioned that the Hulk would beat the Chaos gods so I guess he might think that there is no need to debate who would win in a fight with Hulk vs one of thier servants.

“I love being a bystander”

Same here lol.

“Also in a previous thread he mentioned that the Hulk would beat the Chaos gods so I guess he might think that there is no need to debate who would win in a fight with Hulk vs one of thier servants”

I believe he was inferring that Hulk could eventually get strong enough to do so. Angron would finish Hulk off in seconds, meaning Hulk would have no time to power up, as it were.

“he mentioned that the Hulk would beat the Chaos gods”

Which I still think is utter bullshit.

@ Orpheus
Why do you have my gravatar?

Sheer Epicness… Makes me wish hulk had a base strength instead of potential infinite strength, it’d be easier to argue then.

A single blow from Angron tore down meters thick solid metal gates and brought the entire castle/fort walls crashing down on his head. He survived this and went on to slaughter the inhabitants of said castle/fort single handedly. Hundreds of men died within minutes.

This was before his blessings of Khorne, never mind his Daemonic Ascension.

But then I have to back up Angron. The mans my primarch (loyal War Hound/World Eater)