Not really as no one has given a serious debate for the Hulk.

“Angron and 12 thirsters faced off against 100 Grey Knights and almost came out on top, Angron being the star of the show.”

Don’t forget the imperial planetary defence forces and the Space Wolves chapter.

“Add in the fact that Angron simply doesn’t die if you destroy him, and this pretty much is yet another post in favour of the Daemon. I just can’t see how Hulk is supposed to fight.”

I think in these situations its only fair to play the match to first death.

Good post with good points though. Don’t think i’ve seen you around much yet, so welcome to factpile.

There’s one big thing that is really different here Beli: Angron is FAR more powerful than standard Hulk. But Hulk has no upper power limit that has been found. This means Angron rip Hulk apart and eats his soul before the greenie get to an acceptable level.

Yeah, I nominate Angron for destroying Hulk before his power gets too high.

Well, It really is Hulk’s power mechanic that lets him down. Since he doesn’t start out with anything near what is required to go up with the likes of Angron, he’ll simply get ripped open thrice over before he can finish shouting “Hulk Smash!” Had he start out at planet busting level, things would look far better.

So what if he starts at 100 ton level? You obviously know nothing about Angron. He was a monster in life, but after turning into a Daemon Prince he got dangerous, to say the least. You know Kharn, right? The angry dude that kicks your ass rather efficently, kills millions of people in combat and sends your soul to be eaten by the Blood God? The guy that is one of the biggest heroes of Matapiojo, one of Factpiles sacred Triumvirate? (how the hell is that spelled?) Usually shows up in good matches, and wins unless his enemy is a god.

Well, anyway, this guy is third among Khorne favorites, while Angron claims the top spot. Kharn is nothing but Angrons bitch, and Angron can do all Kharn can do barring tanking magical strikes in the crush continents range, and he is dar more efficent. Hulk would quite simply not get mad enough fast enough, and his rage would even power Angron up to some extent too.

Hulk is beast, and hulk is fucked. Get over it.

Yahoo, my english kick nuts! In school at least. When writing stuff on the internet it is always lots of stuff that just gets messed up. Always a few errors here, some over there and a big one right there. It just won’t end.

I guess we still go for Angron. Btw, how come Angron lacks the Blessing? Shouldn’t all the top three have it as the weakest one does?

“Btw, how come Angron lacks the Blessing? Shouldn’t all the top three have it as the weakest one does?”

The problem is just that there is not enough info. We know that most of Khorne’s daemonic brood has similar protections, but there has been no official rule entry for Angron yet. Fluff after his ascension is just as scarce.

Bottom line is that we don’t know whether he has it or not, or even if he has something far stronger.

In your typical match, Hulk doesn’t go from standard to planet killer in few enough secs to work. I mean, usually he needs quite some time to reach that. Angron probably, no definitly, can’t lift 150 billion tons without getting buffed by Khorne. Anyway, he is FAST as all other Daemon Princes, and he is a Daemon PRIMARCH, Khornes finest. He can (and will in all scenarios) go straigth for the Hulk at a speed our nice friendly green man cannot compete with. He then procedes to cut Hulk in half in one blow, before cutting the entire body to pieces in an instant, and then use full power to send Banners soul to the Blood God. While Hulk as functioned earlier without the soul, having the god of war beat it to a pulp and eat it is something else. Nothing, no matter their power level, can survive that in 40K.

Even if he doesn’t do that, Angron is completely fine with simply inflicting too large amounts of damage to repair. And all of Hulks rage will power Khorne. Meaning that after the fight, Angron might be a whole lot stronger afterwards depending on how mad Hulk manages to get.

“and angrons rage and magics would probably power the hulk up too as proven in darkness vs hulk..
so ya…..i still think that hulk wins”

I haven’t heard about Hulk thriving on that. Still, Angron is no magician, he is all about pummeling the shit outta others. And could Hulk thrive on the rage of Angron? Angron is little but a baecon of Khornes power, and comes from a universe made up entirely by emotion and chaotic energies. He is kind of different to most things Hulk ususally fight.

@whacko

well before i start on why some of the things youve said arent quite accurate about the hulk, i have a quick question. You said the a Demon primarch was khornes finest. i thought khornes finest was the heart of blood? legitamte question, thats just what i read, im thinking maybe you might have another source.

“In your typical match, Hulk doesn’t go from standard to planet killer in few enough secs to work. I mean, usually he needs quite some time to reach that”
“typical fights” , are made that way for entertainment value, otherwise it would be very boring after a while. its already been proven that he can go world breaker in moments (wwh #5, and later on when being taunted by skarr) bruce banner simply contains it in order to prevent the destruction of the planet. like ive also mentiones before weaker versions of the hulk have destroid planetoid sized things with individual punches. the hulk isnt some DBZ character that needs to spend hours charging up his powers, his abilities just increase in accordance to outside stimulai

“go straigth for the Hulk at a speed our nice friendly green man cannot compete with” again another misconception about the hulk. he is not slow, I REPEAT, NOT SLOW. he has faced a long list of impossibly fast opponents including the surfer and the sentry..

“He then procedes to cut Hulk in half in one blow, before cutting the entire body to pieces in an instant, and then use full power to send Banners soul to the Blood God. While Hulk as functioned earlier without the soul, having the god of war beat it to a pulp and eat it is something else. Nothing, no matter their power level, can survive that in 40K.” LOl WTF sorry but thats wishful thinking.

Angron himself wouldnt powerup the hulk, but those same energies of chaos would.
“and comes from a universe made up entirely by emotion and chaotic energies. He is kind of different to most things Hulk ususally fight.” hulk streangth increases due to emotional stress not just anger. do u have an idea what something like the warp would do to the hulk? khorne would forget all about angron, and try to make hulk into his own personal champion. he would ultimately have to kill hulk due to the threat that the green machine would pose, seeing as the hulk cant really be controlled…(at least for long)

P.S. ive been keeping up with W40k through the novels and codexs, but theres alot of claims and feats that i have never seen before. do u know where people are getting them from? is it official or just fan fiction?

“…No, Angron took down almost an entire Grey Knight first company before the warp powers sustaining him gave out, allowing the last banishment attempt to actually effect him. And Grey knights don’t so much use magic as Anti-Daemon powers. Its the difference between Mages and Paladins, magic over blessings, etc.”

All magic used by man comes from the Warp, wether it’s called sorcery or blessings, it’s the same stuff. Even if calibrated to take daemons, it wouldn’t matter if he had a anti magic field of Kharn calibre. Plus, I’ve read three different descriptions of the battle, and in two of them he was eventually worn down by continious banishing attempts by the Knights, in the last it went more like you described. You sure this is the right version?

I know that they attack the membrane (or “daemonic glue” as I like to call it), but as I see it, if you have a magic deflecting field that wouldn’t mean a thing and thats what I try to get across. An Incinerator, being a technological weapon fuelled by blessed oil and promethium, is different from a standard blessing as it is tech, and tech is allowed. A blessing on the armor or one of their spells (they do occasionally directly use spells, but I believe that is only against lesser daemons, they rarely use other stuff than tech against the big boys).

And I know very well that Angron tanked a lot. He’s beast after all. How many Knights lived to see another day? I’ve seen various different numbers for that. From 1 Grand Master+two termies to numbers like 60 battle brothers.

And is Apoc that much of a bad thing to use? Game rules are generally a rather poor representation, but Apoc is only an expansion, shouldn’t it be equal to the main game?

“Hmm. I always got the impression, from other debates involving comic characters, that high-end marvel characters are true unstoppable forces”

sorry to actually have to say this but hulk isnt one of marvels top high end characters…..(sorry hulk)

About that, how come Hulk is so…well, weak, in Marvel terms? I mean. he has basically no upper limit to his power, is damn near impossible to destroy (didn’t he tank the friggin’ ultimate nullifier?) can pick teleporting people out of thin air, deliver high power gamma bursts, can hold the fabric of reality in his hands and pull it together etc. I mean, just how many people can you put into a single universe that stomps on him?

Marvel is ridiculous, that’s what it is. There is a limit to how much power you can add before it gets stupid.

“Because Hulk has to get mad enough to do those things. Most of the upper tiers start at hellishly powerful/as close to omnipotent that the difference can’t be seen one on one.”

This.

Though Hulk has no known upper limit to speak of, that is not his “default” state. Durable as “Savage Hulk” is (granted, that is VERY durable), he still doesn’t have the juice to deal with the ones sitting on top. He has to gradually get there.

The most powerful Hulk version ever seen took a good wile and a ton of circumstancial stuff for him to get that mad. Betrayal from his closest friends and allies, massacre of his people, the death of his loved one and his unborn child, etc, etc. This will be a series of circumstances that will be hard to match.

We see Savage Hulk getting neutralized and even defeated by a great number of individuals. To top that off, we still dont know how the Green Scar would have handled Marlvel’s standing powerhouse, Thor. Sure, we saw how he ducked it out with Sentry, but even that was heavy PIS (plot-induced stupidity).

Beings like Thor and Sentry already are at their “max” limit. They actually chose or force themselves to be less than their full potential. We have seen Thor crack planets while fighting his peers, and we just saw Sentry roflstomp a god.

To top that off, both those beings have powers to alter reality in some fasion via Mjolnir/Odinforce and the stuff that created the Void and mind-blanked the entirey of the Marvel U memory. Hulk cannot do such things. Not directly anyways. His gamma radiation may have all sorts of crazy unknown effects, but He has yet to focus it directly to some major reality warping feat.

All of that makes Hulk less than a real prospect to be considered the top tier of this OP universe.