I’m going for the first team They have Archimonde and Arthas

This is one of the first times I’ve ever wanted to know about the Warcraft world.

Arthus I know, but thats about it for team one.

Now, team two, those guys I know pretty well.

Its seems a waste not to have included Nagash, but to be honest I’m not sure who’d I’d have replaced. Malekith most likely, even if he’s one of the more powerful magic users on the team. He’s nothing compared to the guy who created the undead, and Nagash would seem a fair challenge to Archimonde.

However, the team is what it is, so lets see.

Sigmar is a God these days, and even before death he was the avatar of another God (Ulric, God of winter, wolves and war) for some time. Hugely physically powerful, but ultimately mortal. So does this match involve deity him or mortal him?

Malekith, one of the most powerful sorcerers in the warhammer universe, certainly the most physically capable one of them all. He has a weapon that drains the magic from anything it touches (The Destroyer) and another that cleaves through armour as though it were paper. Plus, he’s riding a damn dragon. So he’s impressive enough. But on the power scale, he’s the lowest in this team. I’d place him on Artus power scale, if only so “we can have Witch king versus the Lich king.”

Also, lets compare backgrounds for a moment… Both previously noble princes of their race, they both end up feeling ignored or betrayed. leaving the service of the leader, they go off into the wastes to find a hugely powerful artifact and come back to claim their rightful place as ruler. but something happens and they instead become embroiled in a war.

At a basic level, the only difference I can see is that Arthus was led astray by Kel’Thuzad, while Malekith was led astray by his own mother.

Anyway, on to the other two.

Archaon… A mighty warrior, powerful magical artifacts, blessed by all four chaos Gods. He’s the Abaddon of this world, with the added bonus of hellishly powerful magic and no damn space marines to slow him down.

Aenarion. probably the least famous of this four, but by God is that a shame. Probably the most powerful of the four in combat, he was a dervish of destruction. He took on numerous Greater daemons on, and won. He killed them, rather than banishing them. He was the living avatar of Khaine, a madman intent on destroying his enemies at all costs. He died because the sword was too much to control, and eventually drained his last dying breath from his body. Before that however, he was the first Phoenix king, and the wielder of the most powerful magical weapon ever known to the mortal world.

Luckily, this is a CTF match. Malekith and Aenarion are on dragons, Sigmars on a Hippogryph. So they can all fly. Archaon doesn’t need to be able to fly, he’s riding a Demon.

Speed isn’t a worry, and the countless hordes of demons that Archimonde can summon… I feel sorry for them. These four will annihilate them faster than they can be summoned, and on the off chance they get too much, Archaon has four Chaos Gods blessings. So he’ll fight hellfire with hellfire.

This would be an awesome match up. As a warhammer fan however, I’m obliged to vote for the universe that came first, and not the cheap (until recently) rip-off universe.

ZOMG!

Thank you admin!! I was hoping you would post this one!

Anyway, I put this match together to pit the most powerful non-diety characters (even if some of them exceed the powers of the majority of the gods) from both universes. (For the record, I chose the human Sigmar, not the God Sigmar)

So while Jwlynas recapped the Warhammer team, I’ll give the scoop on the Warcraft team.

So first we have Medivh. He is the most powerful mortal spell caster to ever walk the face of Azeroth. He is so powerful, that Deathwing stated that he would never willingly face him in combat. Who’s Deathwing you ask? The avatar of the earth gone mad. He decided that his black dragon flight was superior to all other life and would scour it from the face of the world. His power began to boil through his skin, so he had adamantium plates bolted to the surface of his entire skin. He commands the very land itself, capable of rising volcanoes or splitting the land. Oh yeah, and his breath weapon is molton magma. And even this, the most powerful fantasy dragon I have ever seen, is intimidated by a mortal spell caster. He is the last and most powerful Gaurdian of Trisfal. The Gaurdian’s of Trisfal are a line of people who swore their linage to guard against the demonic threats of the world, and were empowered by the most powerful human and elvish sorcerers of Dalaran at the Gaurdian’s conception. His mother, Aegwynn single handedly destroyed an entire invasion of the Burning Legion, including the Avatar of Sargares himself. Medivh is stronger then his mother, and was possessed by the Spirit of Sargares at a young age. Medivh then has feats such as bringing the Orcs to Azeroth, destroying a Dragon from the inside out with a single spell (a blue dragon none the less, the masters of magic) and defeating his own mother when she confronted him about his growing insanity. After he was killed by his own apprentice/best friend, Sargares was banished but his spirit was able to escape, giving him a chance at redemption. He took the role of a prophet and guided the mortal races to a defeating the Burning Legion. Without his help, Azeroth would have been overrun.

His mount, Kaelstrasz, is also a dragon. A red dragon and a very ancient one at that. He is well over 10,000 years old, much older then even Illidan. Being a red dragon he has considerable knowledge of the workings of life and undeath, even capable of necromancy, however he despises such uses of magic. Being so old, he is also very large, only dwarfed by the aspects themselves.

Archimonde is easily one of the most powerful in this match. That is why I did not give him a mount. Among his titanic magical ability, he is tremendously strong physically and is able to control his size and grow or shrink at will. He broke the neck of one of Azeroth’s prime demi-gods, Malorn, Cenarius’ daddy. As for raw magical ability, Finger of Death and Rain of Chaos are to of his most common spells. Finger of Death will literally turn the target inside out, and Rain of Chaos summons countless green demonic meteors, that upon impact, Infernals uncurl and go on a rampage. Basically demonic rock golems cloaked in green fire. Not to mention his ability to open portals at will and summon countless fel hunters and doom gaurds. (Fel Hunters ‘eat’ magic and will drain it from whoever their diabolical suckers can get their hands on, and doom gaurds are basically mini-blood thirsters with their own considerable magical power, like Cripple or Dispel Magic). As a tribue to Archimonde’s power, see Archimonde vs. Dalaran: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BxvHhz4XQ

Azshara is a lesser known character of World of Warcraft. However, she is easily one of the most powerful characters. In the War of the Ancients, she was stated to only be eclipsed in magical power by Archimonde and Sargares himself, able to subdue Mannaroth with relative ease. After the Sundering and the royal city of Azshara was sunk beneath the oceans, the Old Gods protected her and her ilk (the Highborne Night Elves), and through the Old Gods’ protection and the immense powers of the Well of Eternity’s implosion, she and the rest were mutated into the serpentine Naga. Azshara currently rules from Najantar, a massive city built into the a giant trench underneath the Maelstrom…. at the bottom of the ocean. Blessed by the power of the Old Gods and already having immense magical power, coupled with her divine beauty makes her a threat to anyone, including the likes of Arthas. She has become classified as a Demi-god in her own right.

As a mount, she has Sinestra. The only Black Dragon brave (or insane) enough to attempt to mate with Deathwing’s infernal flesh. The torrents blazing out from inbetween Deathwing’s adamantium armor plates seared Sinestra, so that one entire side of her body is horribley scared. As a black dragon, she has molten magma as a breath weapon, as well as having considerable magical power on her own, rivaling that of Kaelstrasz.

And finally, Lich King Arthas:

I’ll direct you to the Arthas vs. Sephiroth fight so you can see the info on Arthas and I won’t have to repeat it. http://www.factpile.com/sephiroth-vs-arthas#comments

As for his mount, he has Sindragosa. Remember that gigantic Frost Wyrm he raised at the beginning of Wrath of the Lich King? That’s Sindragosa. She was killed in the War of the Ancients, and raised by Arthas when he awoke from his two year slumber. She is the most powerful of all Frost Wyrms, and some say she has taken a ‘motherly role’ in the Frost Wyrm heirachy, since she was the mother of the majority of the Blue Dragonflight. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMRhnC4-QGQ

(As a reference, both Kaelstrasza and Sinestra about the same size as Sindragosa)

So, Mata, L-W, Alpha? What do you guys think?

Damn, if this is a sword fight I will pick King Arthas VS. Malekith….so epic!

But for this match i will cast my vote to the Blizzard Game

“Why? The mortal Sigmar (And by mortal i’d consider it to be before becoming Ulrics avatar) is severely outclassed here.”

When I originally posted this, I chose Sigmar because I always saw him as the WH:F equivalent of The God Emperor of Man. It seems I was mistaken. I intended the most ‘powerful’ incarnation of Sigmar I could dig up, without having him wtfpwn the other characters. If I made a mistake, I appologize.

“For that matter, why involve mounts? Every time a CTF match is posted it seems the answer inevitably becomes “Who can fly?” rather than a discussion of power, tactics and possible flag-runners/defenders/wingmen”

I involved mounts because Maelkith and Aenarion were two characters that I had wanted to put in right at the start, and their dragon mounts are as much a part of those two characters as their own weapons and armor. I figured it wouldn’t be fair to not include them. And for balance reasons, I included dragon mounts for the majority of the WoW characters. Also, I noticed the whole ‘who can fly?’ argument, so if everyone can fly, the playing field is leveled and will be about strategy and power.

“Also that artwork of Azshara is disturbingly…sexual, thats deviantart for you…The last thing mankind needs more of is additional kinds of anamorphic…stuff.”

lol, I liked that art piece because it is very detailed and portrays Azshara perfectly. She is disturbingly sexual, that’s her character. She could control the entire night elf population with her beauty alone.

Haha, while the armies of each would be most interesting, I intended it to be a just the 7 on 8 suggested, with the exception of Archimonde because he can summon a considerable sized force out of thin air, much like Archaon can unleash the Demon within the Kingslayer or whatever his sword is called. I can take the role of the Warcraft side, since I know a considerable lot about each of them, having read the majority of the Warcraft books.

So let’s start it off with personality. Both Archimonde and Arthas have considerable strategic capability. Both are extremely intelligent and excellent commanders. The difference lies in style. Archimonde has an ego as great as his demi-god like power, and as such uses very aggressive tactics, but don’t get me wrong, he’s not afraid to retreat when the time calls for it. Arthas on the other hand is far more subtle. Usually resorting to manipulation and cunning as opposed to direct force, but again, when it is required, he is not afraid to crush those underneath his boot when the time is right. Medivh is very very wise and would be a mediator between the varying personalities, as would be Kaelstrasz. Azshara and Sinestra however would be far more devious. Azshara would likely use her considerable power and stunning otherworldy beauty in an attempt to seduce Maelkith or possibly Sigmar, depending on their willpower. But again when Manipulation and seduction fail, both Sinestra and Azshara fight like you would imagine a woman scorned would.

It think it is likely that Team Warcraft would go on the offensive immediatly. Azshara and Sindrigosa would sit in the back, attempting to disrupt Team Warhammer with psychological magics while Archimonde summons infernal after infernal down on the Warhammer base, with the occasionaly DoT placed on the Warhammer team, Cripple, Corruption, Degenerate… you know, usually Warlock ‘melt your flesh off your bones’ stuff. Arthas atop Sindrigosa and Medivh atop Kaelstasz would engage immediately. Sindrigosa has immense frost breath capability, and Arthas would use his magical might to amplify it, creating a blizzard capable of grinding bone into dust, I’d imagine this would ground the Warhammer dragons as well. Medivh and Kaelstrasz however, would produced supernova-like Dragon Fire. Kaelstrasz’ fire is already hot enough to melt all but the most incredibly metals, but amplified with the power of the Last Gaurdian would make a hellfire capable turning stone into vapor.

While Team Warcraft obviously has the magical advantage, how would the phyiscally intense Warhammer team far against such a horrific magical bombardment? Perhaps Maelkith would be forced to his limit holding back the onslaught with what defensive magic he can muster?

I can’t seem to dig up any spellwards that Aenarion has, but we can assume that he has Dragon Armor, making him immune to all Fire attacks and Medivh/Kaelstrasz’ nova-fire and for the hell of it, let’s say hellfire as well.. As for the Blizzard, I think you’re underestimating just what kind of blizzard it is. Razor sharp icicles the size of cars hailing down, the winds peeling off whatever exposed flesh isn’t out right frozen. Only a couple of these would be needed to level most dragons. Indraugnir is no normal dragon to be sure, and perhaps the Sword of Khaine grants him enough insane fury to shatter the incoming deathcicles, but the blizzard itself would be buffeting wherever the Lich King directed it, so ‘flying over’ wouldn’t be an option.

So Meteor after Meteor of hellfire pounds away at the Warhammer base, with infernals spawning with each succesive hit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7SLY91HOhI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7SLY91HOhI So let’s say that Maelkith’s spell work is being canceled out by Archimonde and Archimonde’s is being canceled out by Maelkith, since Archi’s Fel Magic and Maelkith’s Black Magic are very similar. But here’s the clincher, Infernals are immune to magic. They have to be dealt with by force, so Sigmar will definatly have his hands full as the Infernals stack up. (Rain of Chaos is a consistant spell. Once it’s cast, these things rain down constantly.) Archimonde is, however, simply ‘toying’ with the Warhammer team. He’s casting minor spells on his part, feeling out their strengths and weaknesses. For the Record though, something I forgot to mention, he is immune to all but Chaos damage. So the only two characters in this fight that can actually harm him are Aenarion (The Sword of Khaine) and Archaon. Sigmar and Maelkith can’t actually harm him in any way.

So once Azshara and Sinestra realize that their seductive magics are failing, Azshara would likely resort to the same spells her highborne cast, Black Lighting. These bolts of Lightning are so powerful that they were capable of causing serious damage to a Dragon Aspect. Upon impact the bolt doesn’t burn, but causes a sicly black cold, they are were bolts of pure darkness. The range on these things is incredible. However, she would have to get closer to the fighting. She would have to go about half way to the other island before she can start casting these vicious spells. They aren’t very acurate however, and would work like an actual thunder storm. These are particularly effective agianst flying targets, again working to ground Aenarion, Maelkith. Sinestra would now resort to trying to play up the friction between Sigmar and Archaon. Planting malicious thoughts in Sigmar, reminding him of the atrocities Archaon has commited, how he should forsake this fight and purge the wretched from the land. For Archaon, she would bring up how he used to be a Sigmarite priest, and how Sigmar, the very God of the Empire he fights so hard against, is there, and ripe for the killing. Being extremely skilled at subtle manipulation, Infiltrating their minds and reading their thoughts would be relatively simple, and she is not trying to directly control them, only play up that which they already believe.

Medivh and Kaelstrasz are both extremly powerful sorcerers, Medivh being far stronger. Any offensive spell cast agianst them would be useless. Medivh would be able to come up with a counter to a spell he had never even seen before and create new spells on the fly. Kaelstrasz is well versed in all Warcraft magic, any is easily capable of dispelling all but the most powerful of spells.

Actually, I was going to bring up personality clashes in this post.

Archimonde and Arthas are both intelligent enough to put there differences aside, since they would both see themselves as manipulating the other, there wouldn’t be any trouble. Medivh doesn’t really have a beef with anyone here. But, Kaelstrasz and Sinestra are arch-enemies. And I mean, like, they hate each other’s guts. Not just a difference of opinions or beliefs, they know each other, they hate each other. However, any sort of manipulation would be useless. They’re both around 15,000 years old and have long since transcended mortal manipulation. Sinestra particularly would catch on very quickly to what Maelkith was doing, and might attempt to turn it around and make him think he’s manipulating her. Her schemes have been known to run as deeply as life itself. The other possibility is Azshara. She is ancient, but she’s arrogant, and she feels that no one is worthy of her affection, save for the dark lord of the Legion, Sargares himself. A possibility may lie in convincing her that, after a titanic display of power, Archimonde might be worthy, if so, she might focus on trying to seduce Archimonde, but that would only really be plausible after Archimonde does something freaking epic.

Back to the fight:

As to the size of Indraugnir, I never realized he was so big, but that would put him on the same scale as the Warcraft dragons. Kaelstrasz is big enough and strong enough that even in an extremely weakened state, he was able to lift a Kraken right out of the water and roast it. He’s certainly no push over. So Medivh and Kaelstrasz would bear down on the defenders, Maelkith and Sigmar with nova-fire. His dragon’s breath would be amplified exponentially by Medivh’s powerful spell work. He would also have numerous self casted wards that would protect him and Kaelstrasz from magical harm. You would need a mighty spell indeed to even phase either of them.

With the Blizzard not working, Arthas would likely recast it into a much larger, but tamer version. The entire Warhammer base would be ecclipsed in a mighty blizzard, but with normal sized hailstones and winds strong enough to blow a mortal over, but wouldn’t be more then a nuicense. In any case, he would respond by casting a Super Duper Roidbeefed Death and Decay on Aenarion. Not the pidly ass version from World of Warcraft, but lore wise, it’s one of the most destructive magics out there. It degenerates everything, magical or not, in the given area at a steady pace. In Warcraft 3, it worked by percentage, and it worked on buildings, troops, even beings like Archimonde with divine armor and spell immunity would take full damage from it. So in other words, it would kill Aenarion just as quickly as it would kill a peasent, or an insect. He will steadily degenerate as long as he’s inside. The longer he is, the weaker he will get. It would only take about a minute to full disintegrate him, his armor and even the Sword of Khaine itself. The only way to steam the decay is to move out of the area of effect, or break the Lich King’s concentration. To be honest though, it would probably take a full swing from the Sword of Khaine to do that. So the area of effect would be massive, kilometers cubed maybe, but Arthas would make sure that he stays on the outside edge of it, it would kill him just as quickly. Sidragosa would be unoccupied, and if Aenarion get’s close, she’d unleash a frozen torrent, the opposite of dragon fire.

So with Archaon charging down the middle of the land bridge, Archimonde would move out to meet him. At normal, he’s about 12 feet tall, but he can change size at will, making himself several kilometers high if need be. But he would stay his normal size for the time being. He would begin walking towards him, casting spells as he goes, testing Archaons wards. He’d cast Cripple (breaks bones, automatic mega-arthritis), Curse of Agony (pretty much sums it up), Corruption (Slowly consumes the target with Black Magic), Immolate (causes them to burst into flames… from the inside out)…. things to make his trek towards the Warcraft base as agonizing and as slow as possible. As soon as he’s close enough, he’ll begin hurling bolts of pure Chaos energy at him. Very destructive, and was equally effective against all armor types and magical defenses. These will really test just how durable Archaon is.

Oh, and as a side note, the Infernals aren’t really meant to do much damage, just meant to be a nuicense. Something that if it isn’t dealt with shortly, they will add up and soon a small army of lumbering monsters will be on top of the defenders. They are mindless killing machines after all. Mindless killing machines immune to fire damages, so Kaelstrasz and Medivh can bathe the entire area in fire without worrying about damaging them. At the very least, they’d be something for Sigmar to take care of while Maelkith focuses on other things. In war of the Ancients, some well placed Dwarven hammer strikes were enough to destroy them.

As for Azshara, she has moved up about half way inbetween the two bases, casting Black Lightning on anyone she can. A few strikes would arc at Archaon, some at Aenarion, some at Maelkith, and possibly a few at Sigmar. If she finds them not working, she would probably begin using some Naga Tidal magic.

Matapiojo, I’m forced to agree with you there to be honest. Archimonde especially outclasses pretty much every warhammer guy here.

Were I to choose likely Warhammer combatants, I would have gone for Nagash to counter Archimonde or Arthus, Skarbrand as a general big hitter and magic nullifier, Kairos Fateweaver as Medhives opposite and… Not sure who would make a good counterpart to Azshara sadly. Possibly N’kari, the Slanneshi Daemon intent on causing the death of Aenarions entire line. Or seeing as the warcraft team is mostly spellcasters, the Lord of magic himself, venerable Lord Kroak. Would be interesting to see what Arthus would make of the dead spirit. Would he be able to control it, or would Kroaks spirit be too much for even the lich king?

As it is, i’m working with what i have. The main problem is the sheer spell output the Warcraft team can force every minute. In Combat the Warhammer team has this match-up down, but getting there would prove massively difficult.

And the CTF aspect does put a small hitch in things

Ah, Skarbrand is arguably more powerful in fantasy. If only because his foes aren’t wearing power armour. They are wearing plain old steel. Any daemons in 40k can manifest in fantasy. Its one of the joys of the Chaos Gods.

On topic though, given the hugely powerful types they are against, I just can’t see how the warhammer team can win.
Not saying they’ll lose. Just that they won’t win. A stalemate is still on the table

“Matapiojo, I’m forced to agree with you there to be honest. Archimonde especially outclasses pretty much every warhammer guy here.”

My intent was to pit the most powerful Warcraft characters against the most powerful Warhammer Fantasy characters, but I completly Forgot about Lord Kroak, and I’m not well versed on most of the Warhammer Fantasy Lore.

“I think Azshara is a major underdog here. We don’t know much of her, but I am certain she will be the main antagonist of a possible Maelstorm expansion. Its is likely they will do an Emerald Dream expansion first, but we can only hope.”

I think you’re vastly underestimating her. She’s one of the few Warcraft characters who I think could go toe to toe with Arthas. In War of the Ancients, she put Mannoroth down with ease. It was stated that only Archimonde was stronger, and that’s saying something; Mannoroth is a beast. Furthermore, as she fell into the deeps, the Old Gods empowered her further, and we all know how powerful they are. It took the entire Panetheon of Titans to defeat the 5 or so Old Gods that resided on Azeroth before they came.

Perhaps once we’ve theorized this match to conclusion, I’ll make a request for a Fantasy Deathmatch, and take the above changes of the Warhammer team.

“You know, I started writting this comment on how I thought this was an impossible match to determine similar to Alpha’s post #9, but you guys have done a phenomenal job of making one’s imagination actually grasp this match. You fellas just keep earning my respect.”

Thankees! lol. On that note, I was very much enjoying this almost RP like match up. Your move Jwlynas!

ARCHIMOND FTW 1st team will definately win

My thoughts are that win you have a group of level 80 characters, each one of them is in the same league as Aenarion and Archaon on their own. So at that level of power, it’s okay to start ganking Gods and Demons. But from what I’ve read of Yogg-Saron, it’s not by any stretch of the imagination an Easy fight. In fact, it looks like a single mistep by anyone could result in a wipe. Either way, Yogg-Saron is engaged while still imprisoned, so I feel that his power is drastically reduced due to his confinement, the same was true of C’thun. In War of the Ancients, it was actually stated that the Old Gods were locked in an Etheral, otherworldly prison, much like the Twisting Nether. If that’s the case, then perhaps both C’thun and Yogg-Saron are merely the remenants of the Old Gods bodies, or perhaps a portion that they’ve been able to force back into Azeroth to try and escape. Either way, I don’t have a problem with it.

@Azshara: Oh, my apologies. I totally misunderstood what you meant, lol.

Also, team one would win cuz they have arthas, so whilst his team mates fend off the warhammer noobs, he would freeze everyone in an eternal prison of ice, and CTF as many times as he pleased

People keep bashing sigmar, but he has been known to be very magically resistant. Also, if anyone from team WC got within striking distance of his hammer, they would be beyond doomed.

The main problem with this battle is that it really comes down to one thing.

The Warhammer team is generally far better in Combat, with three combat titans on the field, but the Warcraft guys (and girl) are all magically far beyond everyone on the team, Malekith aside (possibly)

Archaon isn’t bad at magic, but we’d need Nagash levels of power just to equal Arthus, never mind the other three.

They can be as god-like as they want, the Sword of Khaine will end their lives. Aenarion was essentially a walking avatar of Death.

If Malekith and Archaon can protect him from spells long enough for him to get into combat then he’s more than capable of ending the lives of all of his opponents and claiming the flag… though he’ll be a tad too insane to actually pick it up. Which is, presumably, where Sigmar comes to the rescue. And with Ghal Maraz I wouldn’t bet on him falling any time soon (He’s beaten Nagash down with it before now, and Nagash is basically Lich King Arthus for all power-wise intents and purposes)

But damn it all, theres still that darn Magic advantage on the side of Warcraft… With only two Magic Users (though I’d never say either of them were weak, and Malekith is capable, magically, of throwing someone to the chaos wastes) they’re just outnumbered…

Admin, factpile award for the Warcraft lot please, and then lets get a more fair match up and running.