I have been watching Star Wars lately, and certain things have tripped my sensors that most “normal” (normal is used subjectively) people won’t realize. Yes, most of these occur within the prequel trilogy (which in all reality only Episode 3 was necessary, the others were kinda sketchy and whatnot but that’s just how it is), but that doesn’t matter. I mean, they ARE Star Wars movies, and you can’t not count them as canon, but hey, I think these mistakes were brought up by the fact that George Lucas just wasn’t thinking, That is the same reason Durge looks like Shredder from TMNT, or why the 501st got pwned by Ewoks, or even perhaps why the Empire didn’t think about covering up that exhaust port. But hey, it’s the man’s vision, let him take care of it. As for the contradictions…
Why do they say that stormtroopers are more precise than Tusken Raiders? Stormtroopers can’t hit something directly in front of them, yet the good old Tuskens can actually hit podracers from 2000 feet away (that is an estimate but it was a pretty large distance). Also, if a Tusken can knock out the main hero (Luke), with a hero shield over him, how come the stormtroopers can’t if they are that “highly trained” and “precise”? Were they drunk the whole time? Did they visit that cantina one too many times, I mean what the hell is the deal?
How come when Anakin is fighting Obi Wan on Mustafar, and they get to the end, Obi Wan says “I have the high ground”? When does that matter, because from what I have seen Obi Wan always won against powerful villains and he never had the high ground. Look at the battle between him and Darth Maul, or his battle with General Grievous. Every villain seemed to get utterly pwned when they had the high ground, so why is this one an exception? Even worse is that Anakin had no handicapps applied to him at all, he was in a near perfect scenario with his lightsaber at his side, yet he jumps over Obi Wan and gets his legs cut off. Why didn’t Darth Maul just do that to Obi Wan in Episode 1? Maybe it was a plot point, something to keep the story together, but that still isn’t an excuse. Why didn’t they just do a cliche ending where Obi Wan looks like he is going to lose but then out of nowhere he defeats Anakin, I mean at least that would have made more sense….
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June 29, 2009
#1
I sometimes wonder if anyone actually watched the movie, instead of just passing assumption on memes that somehow survived throughout the eons:
1) Pod-Racers as a general rule don’t shoot back, Rebels do. It looks like we’re back to the common ignorance of real life problem, so it’s time for a reality check: haven’t you guys ever watched any of those police officer documentaries? I’ve seen footage of a trained police officer emptying his revolver at a man less than ten metres away from him, without scoring one hit. It isn’t that easy to hit a moving target, especially when that target is shooting back at you. To quote Gene Hackman in “Unforgiven”, “that’ll just flat-out rattle some folks.”.
2) Stormtroopers are given explicit instructions to herd the Rebels throughout the trilogy (Bespin, the Death Star), the Sand people on the other hand are not dictated by a murderous Sith Lord.
3) Far too many people misunderstand the “Hero Shield” concept. It doesn’t quite literally mean that the character cannot be hurt or severely incapacitated, otherwise Luke would not have been eviscerated by Vader, crashed into a swamp or be electrocuted by Palpatine. The character shield refers to particular moments in the narrative that grant an advantage to characters that would not always occur in certain instances.
Would Luke land on the Cloud City antenna every time? Would he have met Yoda in every occasion on Dagobah? Would Vader have betrayed his mentor to save his son in ever possible instance?
Likewise, would Obi-Wan distract the Sand Person on every occasion, and save Luke?
June 29, 2009
#2
ha that one actually made me laugh and so did your comment L-W (although it was more serious
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ps Did you add me on psn Baron or did I just add some random person called Baron?
June 29, 2009
#3
stop bashing starwars
though the tusken/stormtrooper aiming thing iv noticed to
June 29, 2009
#4
Brave topic to take on considering the Star Wars fans on this site (see above), but nice nonetheless, if not a bit short.
June 29, 2009
#5
@Chewie
Yes, that was me
@Fooby
I love Star Wars, I just find it funny to do commentary about
@L-W
So that brings me back to my original point…thw stormtroopers were stressed, as I had said in my previous article?
June 29, 2009
#6
@L-W
I was right about to mention #2. The Rebels had to achieve a modicum of success to activate Palpatine’s Xanatos Gambit.
June 29, 2009
#7
“How come when Anakin is fighting Obi Wan on Mustafar, and they get to the end, Obi Wan says “I have the high ground”?”
I always figured Obi-Wan was joking.
June 29, 2009
#8
“How come when Anakin is fighting Obi Wan on Mustafar, and they get to the end, Obi Wan says “I have the high ground”?”
Given that Anakin had just recently killed a number if children and aided the man responsible for the near genocide of the jedi’s, I always figured he meant the Moral high ground, rather than any kind of height advantage.
If not (And its been a while since I saw the movie) then it is generally agreed that attacking uphill is harder. If nothing else its more tiring, and apparently its easier to stab downwards than it is to stab up.
Have to remember, Having the advantage doesn’t mean you will win. It just means the odds favour you,
June 29, 2009
#9
This may be a little out of place here but it has been bugging me since episode 2 in the book Tales of The Bounty Hunters there is a totaly different origin for Boba Fett. Tales of the Bounty hunters was released years before Episode 1 never mind ep 2 So either the origin story in ep 2 was written later without making sure the expanded U had not provided one making George Lucas Just a money Grubbing ass, Or the people who are responsible for proof reading licence material for the expanded U totaly dropped the ball because George Lucas had already written one and it would be there buisness to know. Any thoughts?
June 29, 2009
#10
“This may be a little out of place here but it has been bugging me since episode 2 in the book Tales of The Bounty Hunters there is a totaly different origin for Boba Fett…Any thoughts?”
They are seperate universes.
June 29, 2009
#11
@Papa
They retconned that story. I guess Fett used Jaster Mereel as an alias during his time as Concord Dawn’s journey man protecter. In the beginning of that story, Fett was awaiting judgement for murdering a fellow officer, right? Well, in the Legacy of the Force series, they explain that this officer raped Fett’s wife Sintas. This is why Fett “abbandened” his family…
June 30, 2009
#12
“They are seperate universes.”
Not this same old tripe again.
G canon supersedes C canon on all occasion, therefore the origins story presented by Episode II retcons the canon of the Bounty Hunter Tales; unless Lucas decides to rewrite the Boba Fett storyline in its entirety, then the remainder of the C canon novelizations and associated material remain within the same Star Wars universe.
June 30, 2009
#13
The more thought someone puts into Star Wars to try to make sense of it, the less impact the story has. For example, I used to read up on stardestroyer.net and let myself get immersed in the idea of the technical power of the weapons. Then I watched the movies again and remembered what Star Wars is about to me: it’s a fun story with great and memorable characters, it’s a story that jump started my imagination; something the authors at stardestroyer.net forgot a long time ago.
Also the stormtrooper conundrum never made sense to me…I try not the think about it. (the conundrum being that they can relatively easily capture rebel ships and bases, but the ewoks defeated the empires best). It’s a failing of logic but it end result of the story holds try to the authors desires to show that good triumphs over evil and nature is better than technology.
So ironically in a Lucas made star wars vs star trek story of the Feds vs the Imps they would both probably lose or stalemate and in a Roddenberry made story the Feds and Imps would work together in some way and both be victories against a common enemy or in a fight with each other they’d stalemate and there’d be a commentary about the atrocities of war.
June 30, 2009
#14
“but the ewoks defeated the empires best”
They had undoubtedly been told that only a handful of Rebel troops were coming and they probably thought it would be a simple arrest. The possibility of being greatly outnumbered by intelligent tribal animals had obviously not even remotely occurred to them.
In fact, they were clearly and decisively winning the battle despite being caught unawares without any heavy weapons or preparation (A third of the troops were scouts armed with nothing more than pistols). The film shied away from showing most of the Ewok casualties for obvious reasons (much as early WW2 propaganda footage glossed over the magnitude of D-Day casualties), but the novelization made it quite clear that after the complacent troops were ambushed, they quickly regained their composure and began to inflict heavy casualties, despite the forested terrain (which is naturally hostile to high-tech warfare) and their poorly chosen white suits (camouflage suits are also available, but they didn’t use them).
The fact that a handful of troops managed to hold out even after the loss of their vehicular support shows their tenacity in the face of a certain defeat.
“It’s a failing of logic”
Somalia, 1993.
June 30, 2009
#15
The defeat of the Emperor’s “Finest” was just pathetic.
June 30, 2009
#16
The Empire would probably be better off just getting a pack of rabid gerbils, placing explosives on their backs, and directing them towards the enemy…. probably more cost effective too.
July 1, 2009
#17
“I always figured Obi-Wan was joking.”
I’m not sure that was a jokey situation.
July 14, 2009
#18
Darth Maul was suprised when Obi jumped over him. You can tell by the expression on his face that he was not expecting it. However, on Mustafar, Obi said something to the effect of “Don’t do it, Anakin,” when Skywalker was near the foot of the hill, indicating that Kenobi had at least an idea of what Anakin was planning to do. Being uphill gives a significant advantage to Kenobi, as he can easily attack the head while Skywalker can only aim for the legs. As Sun Tsu said, “With regard to PRECIPITOUS HEIGHTS, if you are beforehand with your adversary, you should occupy the raised and sunny spots, and there wait for him to come up.” One should never attack am uphill enemy.
July 28, 2009
#19
okay senting aside anakin jumping into kenobis lightsaber whatever he thought he was going to do i dont know can someone explain to me how lucas allowed a giant battlestation explode in close proximty to a planet but didnt i t do anything but make a pretty lightshow surely millions of tonnes of flaming radioactive debris crashing into endor would have caused if not e.l.e, massive global devastion
August 2, 2009
#20
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Endor_Holocaust
You’re speaking imperial lies, Shaun!