what happened to the triforce both Link and Ganondorf share this Ganondorf the triforce of Power and Link the Triforce of wisdom i think. The power of the Triforce was the power of the Gods of Hyrule which where bestowed upon them making both Link and Ganondorf almost gods Ganondorf has even resurrected himself using the triforce in Twilight princess when we first learn of the Twilight mirror and Link’s power is increased further by the Master sword’s power and if we where using Twilight princess Link then he would also be able to call on Midna’s power’s which near the end of the game are shown to be quite powerful since they are able to destroy the barrier surrounding hyrule castle a barrier that was made from Ganondorf’s power’s.

So both Link and Ganondorf are more than capable of defeating the other people in this fight although Thor might pose a problem

ok he would be more than an inconvenience but he has to have a weakness even if he is a god he is still beatable after all Link can control time as well as his other powers so he could hold his own against Thor but im not sure about Ganondorf he is technically immortal since he has resurrected himself numerous times but i can’t think of an ability for Ganondorf to exploit

first and foremost does balefire have a cooldown? doest it affect magic items??

The battle takes place on an uninhabited earth like planet… on a small continent in a valley about 2 miles across in a near perfect octagon shape.
Each combatant is a corner of the octagon.
Note- the below events all occur similarly in canon events from the their respective series…
Fight is heard…
Link immediately puts on his Fierce Deity mask, while Cloud begins to cast Meteora
Ganon and link clash swords as soon as the battle begins… being hated enemies… rand and Richard begin their dance of magic, while Thor and Kratos exchange threatening words as the blades of Olympus and Mjolinor (SP?) begin to crush into each other… Sauron shape shifts into a werewolf and cuts down cloud as he is casting meteora… cloud dies in a flurry of rending bites and chopping blows from Sauron’s wolf form…
A giant meteor begins to descend on the battle field. Sauron shape shifts into a vampire and flees to avoid the meteor. While Ganon and link notice the shadow entirely too late… while Richard and rand begin to raise shields to defend against the massive falling object… Kratos and Thor are still locked in mortal combat unaware of the falling rock…
A great impact in the gigaton range decimates the battle field valley… Ganon, and link are wiped out in absolute completeness, given the fact that a similar event would have caused their death (majora’s mask). Richard, with being nerfed of his extreme power at the end of the books (see admins comment 118) also falls victim… while rand barely survives since he nolonger has the Choedan Kal (see … ^ The Gathering Storm, Chapter 50 “Veins of Gold”, pg. 759.) mean while both Thor and kratos tank the damn thing…
Now we are down to the final four…
Sauron is nowhere to be found.
Rand is severely wounded from the meteor.
Kratos and Thor are smashing the crap out of each other.
The two gods locked in massive combat in the center of a 100 foot crater battle, lightning strikes and the ground burns, with stunning agility Kratos manages to knock Mjolnir from Thor’s hand and smashes him to the ground… Kratos raises the blade of Olympus above his head ready to severe the helmeted head of Thor when streaking in from behind Kratos balefire disintegrates his very essence. In a mighty scream and a stream of balefire Kratos is wiped from existence… a quick roll and Thor is back in possession of his mighty hammer and throws it at Rand with all his might… the impact crushes his skull to the point of death… the stream of bale fire tips skyward before disappearing…
The death blow of rand is quick and as soon as the balefire ceases Sauron returns as a giant dragon like serpent and attacks Thor. The two final combatants enter into a battle where Sauron does several strikes and flees only to be caught again by Thor… Thor eventually catches Sauron after days of cat and mouse… during which Sauron changes shape several times and finally ends up in a humanoid form…. After a crushing blow by Thor’s mighty hammer, he steps on Sauron’s chest, and summoning all his might, dismembers Sauron’s arm from his body. A great wind sucks into his body and detonates with enough force to shove even the mighty thunder god to the ground. As he stands up in the crater Thor notices the One Ring lying on the ground… Thor slowly reaches for the ring and is strangely enamored by it. (Due to his relationship with Jane Foster, Thor demonstrates human emotions of love which denotes that he can covet, and is as such susceptible to the rings corruption power.)
He places it on a tether and sets it around his neck… Thor leaves the battle field… the victor… for now…
Several hundred years later… Thor has become distrustful of all Asgardians and leaves Asgard never to return, he fears they will steal his “precious”. After a millennia or two of being away from Asgard Thor has weakened and warped into a twisted version of his former self, grey wisps of hair hang from under his winged helmet, his skin is pail and he is desperately thin, he wears his tattered cape as a loin cloth and drags Mjolnir around as he crawls around on a darkened planet… around his neck still is the One Ring… his madness is absolute(Thor can be driven mad Thor #468 – 471 (Nov. 1993 – Feb. 1994); Silver Surfer vol. 3, #88 (Jan. 1994)) and he is in a constant state of warrior rage…
he eventually flees the darkened planet and flies by middle earth… where the One Ring senses its master and the tether unties and falls back to Sauron… upon arrival to his destination, Thor realizes he has lost the One Ring and screams so loud that the galaxy hears him scream… he decimates several planets before returning to Middle earth where he faces Sauron again… Sauron swings a mighty mace and kills Thor…( Like all Asgardians, Thor is not truly immortal but relies upon periodic consumption of the Golden Apples of Idunn to sustain his lifespan, which to date has lasted many millennia.)
(note- or Thor beats Sauron, then repeat last paragraph until Sauron wins)
Winner Sauron…
Time is on Saurons side…
The battle between the “weakened” Thor clashes… Sauron having learned from his demise before came ready to fight… the blows the two gods traded sundered and shattered middle earth… they traded blows for 23 day all across middle earth until finally, at the black gates of Mordor, in a crazed rage again Thor smashes Sauron down in a flurry of hammer blows that cracked the planet to its core… he struck the hand of Sauron thousands of times to get his ‘precious’ back… and he did… the blows annihilate Sauron… as Saurons physical body dissipates…
Thor drops to his knees above the ring… he lets Mjolnir slide to the ground from his hand and reaches slowly for the ring, undamaged by his crazed strikes and clutches it to his chest in a deranged joyous cry… his sunken eyes turn to his mighty hammer, dented and cracked by his mighty blows against the indestructible ring, and a haunting voice whispers to him words he heard a hundred lifetimes prior… the words of Doctor Strange“it would require taking almost all of that power from you, and investing it in Mjolnir. You would be back where you were before you inherited his power. But there’s something else. If I do this, if I take from you the power to recreate Mjolnir, then you and the hammer will be bound together as never before. As goes Mjolnir, so goes Thor. If the hammer is ever destroyed or damaged again this badly – you will die” (Thor Vol 1 602v)

Omnipotence? Odinforce? you mean the same Odinforce thats was drained by doctor strange to repair Mjolnir after Thors battle with Grandpappy? That Odinforce? (Thor Vol 1 602v)

Hmm, readiing the wiki it seems he lacks the majority of the OF. So your scenario is viable (With the exception of Kratos lasting a nanosecond against Thor). So unless Rand al’Thor decides not to balefire Sauron, he is likely to win.

But wait, didn’t you say Thor can most likely beat everyone?

“But wait, didn’t you say Thor can most likely beat everyone?”

physically he did(twice with Sauron)… he pretty much killed him self in above scenario, he damaged his hammer when he fought before, same this time, its said that mjolnir is near, keyword, near indestructable, but the one ring is said to be indestructable except, keyword except, by the fires of mount doom.

I think i covered that as well…

He fell in love with Jane Foster, demenstration of emotion…
Love according to websters:
1 a (1) : strong affection for another arising out of kinship or personal ties (2) : attraction based on sexual desire : affection and tenderness felt by lovers (3) : affection based on admiration, benevolence, or common interests b : an assurance of love
2 : warm attachment, enthusiasm, or devotion
3 a : the object of attachment, devotion, or admiration b (1) : a beloved person : darling —often used as a term of endearment (2) British —used as an informal term of address
4 a : unselfish loyal and benevolent concern for the good of another: as (1) : the fatherly concern of God for humankind (2) : brotherly concern for others b : a person’s adoration of God
”
all of the above signify emotions that can, and has been manipulated by the One Ring…
he has been coaxed into “warrior rage”, this shows he is not immune to manipulation…

“Again, it all falls on whether Thor decides to chillax in outer space while Rand starts chucking Balefire around.”

which would be drastically out of character for Thor… so thats completely unplausible… and would make him a coward, which he is not…

“which would be drastically out of character for Thor… so thats completely unplausible… and would make him a coward, which he is not…”

Perhaps. Not like Rand can follow Thor’s movements anyway (None of them can) so he’s not at risk of being vapourised.

Good all bases covered Sauron FTW…

very intrusting match. heres a list of whos the biggest threat.
1. thor- he could probably take out link and ganon at the same time. Hes the most dangerous of the eight and in a mach of swordsmanship and magic could strike down almost anyone but kratos and Sauron
2.Sauron- A maia if fallen in might, a spirt a shapeshifter. the hardest to kill. of all the contestents only rand can take him out.
3.Rand althor- A great fighter and all but his power lies in magic. Balefire anyone? He take take on both god and man. of course he could balefire everyone and win.
4. Kratos- son of a god and as such the biggest badass here. God of war, could take on any below him and probably win.
5. Richard- sword of truth, probably the best swordfighter of them all, but will stay out of conflict and wait to the end. His magic is need and anger based and would serve him only when in danger—–by the way he is in danger.
6.Ganondorf- a great magic weilder, triforce but not a lickly contender for the throne here, due to the other characters listed.
7.Cloud- one of the best sword fighters here but neither his magic nor his sword could beat anyone. With metora he might be able to beat Ganondorf and link.
8. Link- poor link. his days are ended his numourous amount of magical items pose more a weapon of defence then offence. A 16 year old four and a half foot elf. Link hes the weakest link here.

My immagination
ROUND ONE
First off Kratos and Thor make the first moves and start to beat the hell out of each other. Ganon, link and Cloud face off, as Callendor meets the sword of truth. Sauron-he stays out to watch and wait. cloud skewers link as Ganon summons the triforce to rip cloud to slivers, he suffers a cut as cloud rushes at him.Thor defeats kratos with the power of his hammer and the odinforce. Richard and rand fight for three days before both fall over from fatigue. They get up and rand fires lightning at richard. Richard his need kicking in counter attacks with a shield. the fight goes on for sometime with richard cutting rand up badely but being balefired in the end for rand to emerge victorious.

Round two
Sauron in his full form of might jumps thor as hammer and mace battle. Ganondorf engages rand and is balefired. The fight between sauron and thor is epic, with both being beat with the others respected blunt weapons. Thor is struck down with the might of sauron.

Final round
Sauron badely beat from his battle fights rand in faerly good shape. this match turns two ways with rand shooting balefire, as the maiar transforms. in the end i think rand will halt the cry of victory, with sauron balefired. then he will die.

-Realisticly-
ganon and link are obliterated in one sec. Rand richard and cloud start to sword fight as kratos sauron and thor fight. thor or sauron emerges victorious as either rand (thru balefire) or richard (threw the sword of truth) does. Then its down to that person to fight either sauron or thor. the winner here is probably sauron or richard.

@darkblade, big claims better bring big proof…
time traveling abilites- proof that he still retains these things and it wasnt a 1 hit quit…
physically storng enough to keep atlas – unquantifiable…
…upper limits of his strength- proof?
great skill in all weapons and magics- thor does as well, it just so happens that his hammer is his fav…
ability to sense dangers- at light speed??
“realistically richard could die from a stray lightning bolt, or one of Kratos planet cracking earthquakes”
or a giant meteor… and since when is Kratos killing planets???

“Link on the other hand would be toast but back to Ganondorf he would survive and still be at full strength because of his ability to Regenerate im still not sure about anyone else killing him simply because the only weapon that has been able to consistently put him away and even that was temporary was the Master sword and that was meant to be a blade of absolute good that was created by the gods of Hyrule as a counter to stop the complete power of the triforce meaning all three piecestogether from falling to evil so im still thinking that since Link is dead and he was the only person Hylian gods to use the Master sword, Thor being a full God not a half god or the son of one would be the only person who could beat him.”

The three pieces of the Triforce together give the wielder godlike power and invincibility. Ganondorf only has a piece of that, a third, which is significantly weaker than it would be combined with the other two pieces. His invulnerability would not be able to stand the overpowering influence of full-gods like Thor or Kratos, and a well-placed beam of balefire would put him out of the running just fine.

“As for Richard Rahl his ability as a war wizard is most useful in times of greatest need and im pretty sure saving yourself from a meteor is a great need so he would at least survive the meteor but im not really sure how he would defeat any of the other without having to resort to some sort of treachery and since that’s goes against pretty much everything he stands for is not likely to happen”

Richard’s powers have their limits. True, great need brings out his full potential more than anything else, but he is still limited by his Han. He’s not going to gain the power to destroy planets and fight gods just because he really, really needs to.

Altas wasn’t even trying to kill Kratos. He just wanted to see who it was the was on hiim. The fact that Kratos is about the only non-full god alive in GoW that could keep himself from being crushed by even just two fingers is more a testament about how strong Atlas’s fingers are rather than Kratos’s strength.

@AHEM
Does balefire damage the soul? That is how Ganon usually keeps himself alive, by protecting his soul and then just regening the damage to his physical body (even from total physical destruction). So if nobody can damage his soul (at least Link and Cloud could through the use of holy weapons) then Ganondorf should be able to survive.

Pointless though as Cloud’s materia is broken as all hell and would be able to kill Ganon. I was just asking for some clarification.

yea i that was only faction of atlas’s power, but that is still what? a shit ton. more than enough to kill any mortal. possibly enough to crack the earth or more? yea i realize that its a fraction, but still a fraction of that is more than enough to prove strength.

the way i see it being between the fingers of one of the great forces of the universe is more than adequete enough to be considered qualifing proof.

the amount of force atlas put on Kratos is inconcieveable. as for atlas’s stregth we kno that at the least he’s strong enough to carry earth on his back indefinitely.

what Kratos did in that instance could very well be one of the greatest strength feats in history and fiction. it cant even be measured in tons and such.

if a pinch from a 200 pound man is about 4-10 psi… then a pinch from the what 200000lb atlas. 4000-10000 pound pinch at most…? considering he was holding a planet at the time… and really wasnt straining…(www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ss-Hq4REYE&feature=related) so yes… kratos is strong… but obviously less strong than atlas, who lifts worlds…
on the other hand, wasnt the midgard serpent the same weight as the earth? and thor lifted that… so obviously Thor is stronger than Kratos…

actually its not as obvious as you want it to sound.
atlas a titan is carrying earth unstrained. vas a titan his existance rivals gods, no numbers or figures can rationalize things in the GoW universe.atlas possible the strongest(physically) out of the titans and gods held kratos in between his fingers, and between those fingers could have been galaxy crushing force and to budge them even and inch is far passed impressive.
the only reason he’s hunched is because of the chains holding him down, which have to be at least equal or as stronger than atlas.(Kratos breaks one).

so if your gonna try and make it sound scientific at least tell it for what it is.

Kratos was between the fingers of a possibly universially powerful being, who warred against the gods, and failed so he’s no was bound by multiple chains whose durability is possibly greater than that of a star system. and forced to carry the earth for all eternity which is not straining him all.without the chains it wouldnt even be a punishment.

you are comparing lifting an object to having said being Atlas actively applying force on a single point from two different directions. with the single point being Kratos’s body. even if it was only his fingers there is still no comparison. no math or numbers can estamate what happened there.

no limits ha!!!!

no but did the nut didnt exert its own force in response did it? like kratos did. actually you sound pretty stupid and frustrated because i dont think in your manner. i never claimed kratos to be capable of defeating atlas or of any such feat.
its clearly obvious that atlas was applying force and that kratos was resisting it, im not implying that kratos is strong as atlas(Atlas couldve crushed him.) just that kratos has the strength to oppose or best godly characters such as Thor, because thor is not obviously stronger than kratos.

“try to crack a nut between your fingers, oh you couldnt do it? that must mean that nut is as strong as your are, and you were uncapable of beating the nut in a fight”

ha, ha. nice analogy but exchange the nut with the son of a God, and the fingers belong to a possible universal being, then u have they possiblity of said being getting defeated by the nut seeing as his father is god of gods and put the titans in their place.

“go take your no limits fallacy else where…”
you must not know the meaning of this…. id have to claim that something was unlimited or infinite without proof whereas i only stated that certain things were uncompareable, immeasurable, or unexplored.

unless there is a way to prove that the most current incarnation of thor has a strentgh feat that tops the amount of force atlas can muster between his fingers than the fallacy lies with you for assuming.

Thor: party A is stronger than Kratos: party B because,

the earths weight is X and a fraction of X must be Y and Z, where Atlas carries X so therefore with only a fraction of his power available Y and Z are his maximun applicable force. and since the midgar serpent is equal to X it is greater than Y and Z meaning that since Thor was able to lift the serpent, he is stronger than Kratos who had difficulty with the force of Y and Z.

thats basically your exact reason for believing that Thor is stronger and its all Fallacy

and the whole block of reason is flawed because its missing a variable…..Atlas’s max strength, which would be needed to calculate Y and Z. and without that we dont know how strong atlas is or how much force could possibly be applied.

“The no limits fallacy is the illogical idea that a poorly understood phenomena can be extrapolated to infinity or assumed to not have any maximum value or threshold…..”

“he’s physically storng enough to keep atlas from crushing him freaking Atlas!!!!! and thats not even the upper limits of his strength.”
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“Kratos was between the fingers of a possibly universially powerful being”
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no limits fallacy…

either way you have changed your story more than twice now…

I have this strange feeling you dont know what your talking about, and garbage spewing forth from your computer is just that… Garbage…
when you get a real arguement, come back…

ummm, my story never changed at any point, i hold the same point..sounds like your just a little mad that i got sassy with you. nice little tactic calling my stuff garabage when you just assume that because the weight of the serpant is greater than the earth that Thor is stronger than Kratos when Atlas’ strength cant proven thru any means. and regardless of atlas’ intent the force he applied cant be measured so there’s no proof that his feat isnt as amazing as any of Thor’s strength feats. you just sound pissed that i dont think like you.

“thor’s strength is greater then kratos, while kratos is a half god and has killed gods himslf, thor is the main god of norse mythology. this puts thor on a par with zeus himself.”

not a fact in that whole thing, the fact that Kratos is a demi god is not a reflection of power. the fact that Kratos has the skill and power to kill Zeus, had athena not intervened. there is no physical proof that thor is stronger.

@asger
holding the weight of a planet doesnt make him a universal force, the lore and mythology do, its his status as a titan, one of the great powers. and its doubtful thats anywhere near his full strength, since he’s bond by chains of unbelieveable strength, hunched over and supporting a planet, without any strain, he can still summon creatures, have flashbacks, converse and bestow an ability on to Kratos then plow his arm through the planet in that state.

so even in that state at the very least he’s a being capable of cracking planets like peanuts for fun.

“Does balefire damage the soul? That is how Ganon usually keeps himself alive, by protecting his soul and then just regening the damage to his physical body (even from total physical destruction). So if nobody can damage his soul (at least Link and Cloud could through the use of holy weapons) then Ganondorf should be able to survive.”

The Dark One uses the same trick to save the Forsaken. If they are killed, even if their bodies are entirely destroyed, he can catch and protect the soul, and then build a new body for them or stick them in a different one, good as new.

If a Forsaken gets balefired(and this has happened), that’s the end of the line. The Dark One can’t do anything for them, can’t protect their soul, can’t rebuild their bodies, can’t bring them back, nothing. Their thread has been completely and totally obliterated, burnt out of the Pattern of the Ages, from destiny, from time itself.

It is never stated outright whether or not balefire destroys a person’s soul or if their spirit will somehow live on in heaven/hell/the afterlife/some place beyond the universe, but one thing’s for sure: If someone is killed with balefire, they are not coming back. It’s stated flat out that resurrection does not work on someone who has been killed by balefire.

so balefire is on of THOSE moves. its like a freaking path to exile in MTG it totally removes crap from game space and nothing can bring it back.

*Thor’s strength feats are nowhere as impressive as moving Atlas fingers.

Typo.

“The three pieces of the Triforce together give the wielder godlike power and invincibility. Ganondorf only has a piece of that, a third, which is significantly weaker than it would be combined with the other two pieces. His invulnerability would not be able to stand the overpowering influence of full-gods like Thor or Kratos, and a well-placed beam of balefire would put him out of the running just fine.”

His single piece of the triforce is weaker by itself yes but that piece alone has granted him immortality he literally cannot die because it always resurrects him. Im not fully sure about the full extent of this ability but in theory he should be able to resurrect himself even if he was completely obliterated. Plus if Link is killed which would most likely occur his piece of the triforce would then bond with Ganondorf’s due to the lack of a living host and the fact that Ganondorf is the closest triforce wielder availabe this would further increase Ganondorf’s powers. The proof of this bonding theory is in nearly every Zelda game in which Ganondorf attempts to kill Link in order to gain his triforce of courage which he can wield easily due to the lack of any particular requirements or emotions from the user but he can only control Zelda and therefore her triforce of wisdom due to his lack of wisdom that is built on compassion and purity (that sounds a bit strange) so at any one time in the game Ganondorf can control a maximum of 2 triforce pieces.

“Richard’s powers have their limits. True, great need brings out his full potential more than anything else, but he is still limited by his Han. He’s not going to gain the power to destroy planets and fight gods just because he really, really needs to.”

The only limits on Richard’s powers are what he can create even Zedd his Grandfather admitted that Richard’s abilities could be infinite due to the fact that he had not been raised as a wizard so he therefore had no understanding of the concept of a limitation for a normal wizard this is even before we know Richard is also a war wizard, In the Sword of truth series he was able to not only survive a visit to the underworld but on more than one occasion has thwarted the Keeper of the Underworld which according to the series was on par with the Creator.

So wait if Balefire makes the soul unusable and you yourself said Ganondorf can reincarnate himself to survive that then he still would not be dead only his physical body would go so he could still reincarnate himself and continue to fight and i said he controlled 2 pieces of the Triforce in OCARINA OF TIME not any other Zelda game only that one so i Link to the Past then is not included and also in TP Ganondorf is able to resurrect even though it is temporary the souls of various people in the horseback battle with Ganondorf he calls the souls of several horseriders to attack Link while he chases Ganondorf so why then can he not use that same ability to temporarily call back Link’s soul and therefore the TOC which he could extract using the same methods he used to extract them in WW so he now has 2 pieces to use in battle and a temporary ally due to his control of Link’s soul and yes he can control Link he was able to do it to Zelda through the TOW.

@IOU: You made no mention of OoT, and you are still wrong about it. He did not control two pieces of the Triforce in OoT. He had the ToP and had only just captured Zelda so that he could extract her ToW from her, but he got interupted by Link. And in TP when Ganon possessed Zelda, it was her physical body at a time that Midna held the ToW; it was not a resurected soul that had the protection of a Triforce Piece.

Additionally those were ghosts that Ganondorf summoned in TP, not souls. Link could only see souls as little fireball will-o-wisps in that game. What he saw during the horseback fight with Ganon were clearly humanoids on horseback… they were ghosts, like the Poe’s lantern.

And you are assuming that he could do it to a soul that holds the Triforce. Now the Triforce has done some funky stuff when it comes to souls… like turning Link into a wolf, or Ganon into a big green head of fire. Hell the ToC doubled itself, broke through the walls of reality, and entered a seperate timeline just so it could get back to Link’s soul (it did break apart along the way though and got lost till Link found it). Now I admit that I cannot prove that Ganon cannot resurect Link along with the ToC, but neither can you prove that he can. The Spirit of the Hero in TP is strongly suggested to be Link from OoT/MM yet he holds no ToC despite being the same person who originally held it, so obvoiusly the ToC moved on at some point. What is to say that it doesn’t move along on death?

And finally you are suggesting that Ganon removes the ToC during an eight way battle when he previously took an unknown amount of time to do it to two pacified, and defenseless, people previously. That isn’t very smart. He would get ganked in no time at all. The moment he diverted his attention away from the battle he would get Balefire’d, Cloud’s holy sword, or some divine beat down from Thor. There is a reason he knocked Link out in WW before he attempted to extract the ToC; there is a reason why he did not try to extract the ToW in OoT after Link showed up; Triforce extraction is not something to do during battle.

Ganon could totally take out Kratos though.

“The only limits on Richard’s powers are what he can create even Zedd his Grandfather admitted that Richard’s abilities could be infinite due to the fact that he had not been raised as a wizard so he therefore had no understanding of the concept of a limitation for a normal wizard this is even before we know Richard is also a war wizard, In the Sword of truth series he was able to not only survive a visit to the underworld but on more than one occasion has thwarted the Keeper of the Underworld which according to the series was on par with the Creator.”

There’s so much wrong here I don’t even know where to start.

Do you understand how magic works in SoT? By directing and moving your “Han” or life energy to accomplish things. Though some people have stronger Han, no one’s Han is infinite, and thus, no magic is infinite. Richard gradually weakens himself with every act of magic he uses.

Zedd never stated that Richard’s power could be infinite. True, Richard grew up without knowledge of how magic worked, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have limitations. That’s like saying because a boxer grew up without being educated in biology, he cannot understand the idea of bodily weakness and thus has unlimited energy and can fight for weeks straight without becoming exhausted.(Lord above, that sounds like a Chuck Norris fact.) Richard does have a different way of thinking about magic, a more outside-the-box approach, due to not being taught the conventions of it as a child, but that does not mean he isn’t limited by the same fundamental constants that all wizards are.

Richard himself has admitted that his powers are finite. In the eleventh book, when asked whether he as a wizard could handle the millions strong Imperial Order, he insists that he could kill a great many of them, but his powers would eventually run out and he would be killed. His power is not infinite.

The Keeper of the Underworld is not an equal to the Creator. The Creator sealed the Keeper away in the Underworld and locked him there, and the Keeper struggles to destroy the world of life despite that the Creator takes no involvement in the struggle beyond creating the veil that holds the Keeper back.

Richard did not survive a journey to the Underworld, not on his own at least. At the time, he was protected by a sort of guardian spirit he had summoned from beyond the veil, which shielded him from the dangers of the Underworld. Even with that, he was eventually separated from her and left for dead, and only survived because he was conveniently plucked from the Underworld by an intervening, friendly force, saving his life.

Now, Richard thwarting the Keeper. This is a ridiculously overblown claim. You make it sound as if Richard took on the Keeper with his wizard powers and beat him one-on-one. This is not what happened. Richard never at any point tests his powers against the Keeper directly. During the series, the Keeper is locked behind an impeteterable barrier built by the Creator and barely able to even touch the mortal world. Richard “thwarted” him by killing his mortal servants, who were trying to free the Keeper.

Richard isn’t God. Get over it.

(BTW, it would make for much more legible posts if you would actually include a comma or two somewhere in there. I’m sure you’re aware of them – they’re on the key right next to the period.)

“I never said Richard was God i simply said that his abilities would enable him to survive the first round in which Link and Cloud are killed”

You said that his powers were infinite, that he went to the Underworld and returned alive by his own violation, and defeated an entity on par with the Creator, all of which are godly feats and none of which are true.

I truthfully don’t really see him surviving much longer than Link and Cloud, as he’s pretty much right there on their power level. In fact, I think Link might actually survive a bit longer than him given his much better control over his magic and numerous defensive items.

How about this scenario, Sauron makes some pretty rings, Sauron hands out pretty rings. Cut to a couple of hundred years later. Sauron has some nice slaves.

“I truthfully don’t really see him surviving much longer than Link and Cloud, as he’s pretty much right there on their power level. In fact, I think Link might actually survive a bit longer than him given his much better control over his magic and numerous defensive items.”

Link’s control over his magic is severely restricted compared to Richard’s unlike him Link’s magic is usually based on items or he can use them in specific attacks like in OOT he could only use 3 specific magic attacks. Yes i know that Richard main weapon is the Sword of Truth and it is a magical item but Richard has proved several times he can fight just as well without it. Out of the 3 of them Richard has the most powerful magic but i believe Cloud has the best control of magic, Link is to reliant on magical Items.

“actually, i think link and cloud will last quite awhile. they aren’t stupid, they’re gonna go “oh sh*t i’m screwed” right at the beginning of the battle and would more than likely team up with each other to take out the serious threats first.”

Maybe so, I’m not saying their weak or that they’ll just give up, but their opponents are just too far out of their league. They might outlast Ganondorf, especially if Link attacks him first, but aside from that, the others are just too far ahead of them in power to stand much of a chance in the overall fight.