Wow two of the most powerful characters in Warcraft versus two of the most overhyped characters of jrpgs. I lean more towards team 2 simply because Arthas is now bonded with The Lich King and has completely dominion over the undead. He can summon legions of powerful undead creatures to tear them apart. Also he has access to some of the most cruel spells in Warcraft. If he just tips either combatants with Frostmourn he’ll drain their souls.
Now Illidan brings a different kind of magic to the playing field. After consuming the skull of Gul’dan he’s able to transform into a demon that so powerful it burns the very ground around him.

Paladin Arthas, Death Knight Arthas, or Lich King Arthas? I am assuming Lich King as it is the most current and comparable to Sephiroth.

Im friends with wtf bomber and he said it was Lich King Arthas. So I am going with Team 2.

I don’t like Cloud that much but i don’t know as much about wow as i do about final fantasy. So given that sephiroth has been thrown into the mix, i cast my vote for Team FF

@Diana-Actually Sephiroth can only use meteor when he gains a sufficent amount of negative lifestream energy. This could take days or weeks even. Time he doesn’t have when Arthas is sending thousands, no millions of undead creatures of different strength which could include revenants, undead dragons, and many others. All He’d have to do is cast death and decay and its over. Hell Arthas can do this by himself because like I said before since he merged with the Lich Jing he is now in symbiosis with him which means he is the Lich King who is basically a demi-god.

@wtf bomber- Sorry about that typo I’m using a bluetooth keyboard. But as for the Demi-God part heres a piece of text from the warcraft wiki. This should end all argument

A debate that has arisen among fans is whether the Lich King can be classified as a god. His origins lie with Kil’jaeden, but his power has continued to increase at an exponential rate beyond Kil’jaeden’s intentions. Most of the other gods in the Warcraft universe have their origins with the Pantheon. However, most of them have contributed something to the world of Azeroth. Elune gave birth to the night elves (according to their own legends), while the Dragon Aspects guard specific elements of Azeroth depending on their origins in the dragonflights. The Lich King contributed the undead to this world; unlike the contributions of other gods this wasn’t a positive change, but it might still elevate the Lich King to the title. Many Blizzard texts (such as the Warcraft III manual) refer to him as the “godlike Lich King”.

The Warcraft Encyclopedia provided by Blizzard classifies a “god” in two ways:

1) Gods are immortal.

There are no hard and fast rules to define what it means to be a god in Warcraft, save that all gods are immortal.[5]
2) Gods are the object of worship.

The demigods of Azeroth wield great power and have occasionally played pivotal roles in the planet’s history. Nevertheless, unlike gods, most demigods have never been the objects of worship.[6]
Although it is true that the Lich King does not age, it is arguable whether or not he is an object of worship. The members of the Cult of the Damned and the mortals who serve him as acolytes (in Reign of Chaos and The Frozen Throne), as well as the unknown number of intelligent undead he controls (in addition to the countless mindless ones) obviously worship him and provide a strong backing for this criterion. The vrykul revere him as a death god and it is speculated that the tuskarr have identified him with their death-god, Karkut.

See there you go.

Well, Paladin Arthas would be demolished by Cloud, Sephiroth or even Illidan, plus wtf bomber suggested the match and he said it was Lich King Arthas, so there ya go.

Anyway: “What more if we include Cloud? Cloud could unleash the The Knights of the Round to choppaz both Arthas and Illidas”

Ok, so we’re going to start using items ingame that have never actually been recorded in the plot? If Cloud can just unleash The Knights of the Round, why didn’t he use that against the triplets in Advent Children when he was getting his ass handed to him? Or like, you know, when Kadaj summoned Bahamut? Or when he was again getting his ass kicked by Sephiroth? Or how bout in the fight for Midgar in Dirge of Cerberus? Ok, so we’re going to use that one item, let’s start pulling up a couple of the ingame Warcraft items/spells. Like, say, Finger of Death? What does Finger of Death do you ask? Well, it turns the target inside out. Literally. As in, Cloud’s guts are on the outside and his flesh is on the inside. Let’s not go there okay?

Cloud never displayed the ability to use Knights of the Round in the plot of any of the games/movies he was shown in. And judging from what I’ve seen of cloud in Advent Children, he’s got nothing on the Lich King Arthas, he would be wrecked a hundred times over. Heck, Lich King Arthas would crush his mind, ransack his thoughts then enslave him.

As for Illidan, phew. He brings a whole nother set of abilities to the table. Metamorphosis is far more powerful then you give it credit for. When he attacks in demon form, he fires balls of pure chaos. These Chaos Bolts pierce any defence, so really, only a few of these hellish orbs would decimate Sephiroth or Cloud. Oh yeah, and they’re homing.

@Teh Soviet- I agree with you entirely. Team 2 wins via Frostmourne up Seph’s vagina after which Arthas raises him from the dead and has him anally sodomize Cloud with his sword.

“thats more of an attack than an argument man, give a reason, and jus to establish, i dont know who would win yet, waiting for a trump card, because i dont know any of these players well enough”

The reason is because team 2 has the Lich King, who has Frostmourne, which will go through Sephiroth’s vagina. Honestly this match is over unless someone comes up with a good arguement.

sorry if you saw that last one twice.

WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO MY GRAVATAR?

Lol Kenny urs looked stupid, but its fine now. Anyways, I think we all agree that cloud and sephiroth would be owned epicly by the insane dudes.

How would they tear them apart, there is no reasoning behind what you are saying. We have put up tons of facts of the Warcraft team and yet you still blindly follow the FF team.

@ Kenny C.

You probably mispelled you’re email.

“Two words. Heartless Angel. That is effective enough to eliminate both of team 2″

Except that the Lich King’s magic is much more powerful and could easily block an attack from some angel. The Lich King is practicly a GOD, his magic and power is far beyond team 1’s.

Well, lets take a look at Seph’s attacks, and Cloud’s attacks.

Cloud:

Abilities and Attacks

* Braver: Single heavy physical attack with a verticle slash.

* Cross Slash: Single heavy physical attack with three slices.

* Blade Beam: Strikes a single enemy with a heavy attack, hits other enemies for less damage with shockwaves.

* Climhazzard: Strikes enemy, then jumps backwards with sword still in the enemy.

* Meteorain: Meteors fall and hit random targets several times.

* Finishing Touch: Hits all enemies with a tornado.

* Omnislash: Hits random enemies 15 times for massive damage.

(To name a few)

Sephiroth:

Equipment
Masamune
Gold Armlet
Tough Ring

Materia (Magic)
Mastered Fire Materia
Mastered Ice Materia
Mastered Lighting Materia
Mastered Earth Materia
Mastered Revive Materia
Mastered Restore Materia

While a party member in Cloud’s flashback in Final Fantasy VII, Sephiroth has no Limit Break, and furthermore, his Limit meter cannot be charged as he cannot take damage. Even using cheats to boost Sephiroth’s Limit meter does nothing, as it will never fully charge. In Crisis Core Sephiroth’s Limit Break is stated to be “Super Nova”, which is Safer Sephiroth’s ultimate attack, involving Sephiroth summoning a meteor to destroy the sun and engulf the party in a wave of fire. Super Nova returns as Sephiroth’s ultimate attack in Kingdom Hearts and his EX Burst in Dissidia.

Sephiroth’s signature attack besides Super Nova is Heartless Angel, a move capable of draining the opponent’s HP to a single digit. He uses Heartless Angel in the Kingdom Hearts series, Final Fantasy VII, and in Crisis Core. Sephiroth is also able to use Heartless Angel during his EX Mode in Dissidia, but it drains the opponent’s Brave, not their HP. In Crisis Core, Sephiroth’s DMW is “Octaslash”, a swift sequence of eight sword attacks. He uses the attack in Crisis Core and Dissidia. In Advent Children Complete, Sephiroth also uses a barrage of eight sword stabs to attack Cloud, which may be based on Octaslash. In the Kingdom Hearts series, Sephiroth is able to perform his own variation of Cloud’s “Omnislash” technique, which has been erroneously reported as Octaslash by some.

Not to mention Seph’s other forms; Bizzarro Sephiroth and One-Winged Angel

“Cloud and Sephiroth ftw. They could tear team 2 apart.”

I don’t think it would be quite as simple…or easy. One doesn’t become the interim leader of the Burning Legion, or the absolute magical/psychic overlord of a planet’s undead by being pushovers. These two have some very strong juju that should match all levels of Materia.

I guess Safer Sephiroth ( One Winged Angel ) can be used here then too.

Lich King Arthas VS One Winged Angel

“You don’t know what Heartless Angel does obviously. It gets rid of all of an enemies magic, and it takes them down to just 1 hp. At that point Sephiroth could easily kill em. Team 1 wins.”

Yes, I know what the move does, but it involves an angel attacking the target. Regardless, most of the demonic and powerful heroes in Warcraft (like the Lich King) are immune to magic. Also many of the demons and undead that he can call forth are immune to magic.

“Big deal. Seph might be powerful but he’s still no match for team 2. Besides team 1’s magical ability will be their down fall because Illidan can easily use Mana Burn on the both of them which is an attack that combust the magic in a character destroying it and damaging the user depending on the mana level of a target. Based on Seph and Clouds high level of magic that would be a devastating and almost fatal attack. See Illidan is a demon hunter and because of that has access to a lot of spells that uses a targets magic against them.”

This is a great point. Mana Burn would be Illidan’s trump card in this match.

“Heartless Angel; Sephiroth’s signature attack besides Super Nova is Heartless Angel, a move capable of draining the opponent’s HP to a single digit and draining al magic power.”

That would be difficult when Arthas has already silenced him. The basic Death Knight has an ability called Strangulate which is basically Force Choke. We’re talking about the Lich King here. I really don’t want to make a list of every spell Arthas could potentially have, and it is far more devastating then the meager list you gave me for Cloud.

“I see this match finishing in three spells.

1. Confu from Cloud
2. Sin Harvest from Sephiroth
3. Death from Cloud”

Right, and I see this ending in three moves.

Arthas casts Silence, Cloud and Sephiroth are unable to cast any spells.

Illidan casts Mana Burn. Both Cloud and Sephiroth’s magic reserves implode.

Arthas casts Annihilate, which… does just that. They both explode. Mind you, Arthas had this ability when he dueled Illidan, before he became the Lich King. So this spell would be exponentinally more powerful.

Oh, and if you really want to argue that Sephiroth, being a boss character, can’t be silenced, then I’ll bring up the whole Bosses in WCIII being immune to Magic altogether.

“People really are ignorant lol Before either make their movies Sephiroth will have killed both team 2 and Cloud…Their no team wins Sephiroth wins..”

How could this possibly happen? Arthas simply needs to Silence team 1 so they can’t use spells and it’s over. Then Illidan will Mana Burn them causing all their magic and health to drop to critical levels. From here they are weak and easy to kill.

“How fast exactly are team 2? Seph’s true power and speed have never been seen.”

Same goes for the Lich King. But the Silence and Mana Burn combo is pretty much unstoppable, so I don’t see how team 2 can lose.

It’s pretty damn hard to quantify Cloud and Sephiroth’s magical strength. It seems like most of their attacks focus on being really freaking flashy and some of the moves require ridiculous amounts of time to hit and more than one requires multiple hits to do max damage. This seems ok in a game where the enemies have no choice but to sit there and hope that by some random roll of the dice, they don’t get hit. However in an actual fight such moves are really freaking stupid to make. Seriously, how many people have come out on top in a brawl doing nothing but throwing out dramatic punches and kicks.

“I’m tempted to say cloud and sepiroth just because those pics of them are rediculously nice but i’ll leave this one to the warhammer and final fantasy intellects”

They look like ugly girls in the pictures. Also, team 2 is from “Warcraft” not “Warhammer”, if that’s what you saying.

“Sephiroth doesn’t need fancy magic, and if he did, Silence doesn’t effect him for… whatever reason. I’ve tried that tactic. Being immune to most status effects, and able to cure almost instantly the ones he is weak against, I can’t see his assault being stopped any time soon.
If Cloud brings a Ribbon along then status effects are null and void. If he has MBarrier then Magic isn’t nearly as effective.
Is team two can cast silence then team one can too. And they have Silence cures in the form or items.
Both teams bring almost identical abilities to the battle here.”

I whole heartedly disagree. So since you want to bring items into it, let’s see here….

Both Illidan and Arthas can carry a maximum of 6 items. So let’s give them both the following

Scepter of Mastery: Transfers control of the target to the uses the Scepter. The transfer of control is permanent.

So if Cloud or Sephiroth summon one of their rediculously overpowered Summons, like Bahamut, it is now under the control of either the Lich King or Illidan.

Necklace of Spell Immunity: Renders the Hero invulnerable to magic.

No ifs, ands or buts. If it’s magic, they’re immune to it. If it’s a magic based attack, they’re immune to it. If it’s a magically augmented attack, it functions like a non-magic attack.

Ankh of Reincarnation: If either Illidan or Arthas dies, they simply come back to life. Self ressurection!

Scroll of Ressurection: If either Illidan or Arthas dies, they simply resurrect the other.

Potion of Invulnerability: The user is Invulnerable. And I mean, Invulnerable. Like, the universe just imploded and I’m still alive invulnerable. Khorne himself just through a shit fit and exploded my entire dimension ontop of me and I’m still alive Invulnerable.

And last but most certainly not least….

Soul Gem: The Soul Gem is a minor artifact with a single, potentially devastating power. The jewel appears to be any of a number of other common baubles found in treasure hordes across the land. Only when the quarter-inch blue jewel is exposed to a magic detecting spell does its strong power reveal itself. The gem’s true nature cannot be discovered until it is dipped in blood from an intelligent living creature sacrificed for this purpose. When this ceremony is completed, the jewel swells to 10 times its normal size and begins to glow with a pulsing violet light. The gem can now be used to entrap any one living creature with but a single command word. The target must be within 60 feet for this power to work. The creature within can be released by a second command word from the creature that entrapped it, or held forever in that state. No other known magic can release a trapped individual. The soul within can also be used for a variety of vil demonic purposes known only to a few tortured sages and elders of the Burning Legion. When the jewel is emptied, by whatever means, it returns to its original form. The Soul Gem cannot hold more than one creature at a time and it may not trap another while one remains within.

So both Arthas and Illidan pop their Potions of Invulnerability. Then they both use their Soul Gems. Arthas on Sephiroth and Illidan on cloud. Now they got new playtoys!

Cloud and Sephiroth are obviously not prepared for this fight. Cloud can have a max of 9999 HP and 999 MP while Illidan has around the 6 Million mark for HP. This already does not bode well for team FF. Sephiroth at his full level had 400,000 HP and 6,800 MP (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Safer_Sephiroth). This is looking terrible and team FF hasn’t even faced the Wrath of the Lich King yet. It’s quite obvious that no amount of Omnislash and Supernova will save team FF.

“Fine, we’ll drop game mechanics. What spells have Arthus been shown to use outside of game mechanics? Raising the dead and… Oh, and having his powers drained by low rate demons.”

Outside of game mechanics? Well, he was shown to be strong enough to split an Adamantium armored orc right in two, right through is weapon. Let’s see… he cast some sort of spell that exploded a certain troll who’s durability was on the same scale as a low caste Space Marine. He has the active control of the minds of hundreds of former ‘heroes’, the active control of millions of individual undead, the ability to acess any number of Warlock, Death Knight and/or necromantic spells, which could include some extremely nasty ones like Doom (Impregnates the target with a Demon that will explode out of them after a few seconds (FACEHUGGER 2.0!), Death and Decay (% based attack that does the same damage regardless of the target) among other nasties. Arthas’ and Illidan’s magical repository is quite massive. I really don’t want to go and list all of them.

Game mechanics are processes that a game uses to either make it more balanced, or more fun.

For example, their HP differences.
You cannot compare them as equals, 1 point of damage in final fantasy will not be equivalent to 1 point of damage in warcraft.

But even if they were, it would stilll not matter. The precise HP that the game creators decide to give these characters has little bearing on their actual strength. For example, if Illidan had 5 hp, he would still be just as strong in this match aa if he has 6 million. This arbitrary assignment of HP has no bearing. Illidan would still be able to raise islands from the bottom of the ocean (A feat, IMO, that competes with Arthas’s best uses of magic too)

For the final fantasy side, it matters not what Sephiroth’s in game HP is. Even if it was 2, he would still have the capabilities to summon a humongous meteor given preparation time. It has no bearing on his actual abilities.

The best way to determine character’s true strength is in cutscenes. See what they can actual do. Any generic RPG character can pretty much summon crazy monsters and cause elemental attacks, but not every one can move and fight the way Cloud does, which makes him one of the stronger ones.

However, a weakness both emphasized in-game and in the movie, is his emotional and mental state. When going against the lich king, you either have complete control over your mind, or soon none at all. Guess which will happen to Cloud?

one more thing , plzzz do not get the cloud and sephiroth from the movie , because they dont use any of the things i said , and it wouldnt be interesting if they used them in the movie.

I think FF7 beats WC3
How about Cloud vs Arthas,and Sephiroth vs Illidan?

ok, this is pointless. sephy and cloud would be able to win this. first of all it’s regular arthas not lich king arthas if it was lich king arthas it would be specified as such (so unless anyone other than the admin says, then it is REGULAR arthas). second of all, cloud’s will to protect his friends would thwart any promise of power and to add on that note he has aerith helping him from the afterlife so mind tricks wouldn’t work. and you people seem to be extremely overestimating WoW characters, they seriously aren’t that tough. and illidan’s mana burn would be ineffective as soon as cloud or sephy casted “silence” on him. and i’m not taking WoW items into play because all their effects (yes, i have played) are complete bullsh*t and only work ONCE, so i’m not throwing them in (no summons, no WoW items, deal with it)