Stormtroopers Vs Elites
November 12, 2008 by admin
For this match, if you keep to squads for each side, the Elites would win easily. But since most times many Stormtroopers are deployed, we’ll go with that scenario.
To make it more even, picture the setting on the Death Star after the Elites have been dropped off - so the battle takes place in the hangar, with many places to hide/sneak and many things that are combustible.
Who wins?
Elites wins because,they are superieur to humans and stroopers are humans but only clones and are made to be superieur to droids and not elites
elites are larger,physicly stronger,strong shield
one punch is enough to kill the stormtroopers
This goes to the elites, they are just supperior to STs in every sense. The only advantage STs have is numbers, but a squad of Elites will be able to lay waste to an entire Star Destroyer from the inside out regardless of how many STs are there.
It depends what stormtroopers they are…like I think the 501st could do damage, but I don’t know
well if your going all 501’st then you might as well give the elites all zealots…
please enspire me with your wisdom on how elites are able to bring down a squad of storm troopers. we all know the covy are weak against there own guns, and blasters are far more developed than that of a plasma rifle. One frak’n marine with a BR-55 could bring down the formatable worriors, but even if the elites were to win, they’ll still have to deall with the massive amounts of troopers that are produced at Kamino cloning facilities.
Elites would be easily killed by a scout trooper holding a DC-15x sniper rifle.
hunderds upon hunderds of elites will fall do to the shock troopers (rocket launcher guys) pure skill, these guys take more fire power to take down.
have you ever noticed that in time of war, any country that has another country invade their country, that country being invaded has the advantage of knowing the way of the land. if a squad of elites were to board a stardetroyer, they would be lost and confused with the shear amount of hall ways in the ship. that confution could turn into a weakness and evntually lead to constant ambushes and choke points in narrow hallways. the troopers have the upper hand on this fact.
i will continue this later.
nevermind the stormtrooper would win they have dark troopers (which carry arc blasters) and like WTFMACHINE said shock troopers and theres bound to be some from like the original clone wars they have tons of experience
“One frak’n marine with a BR-55 could bring down the formatable worriors,”
no…a single major elite can hold down a SQUAD of marines…so no they couldent take one down…
and actually it kind of depends on what elite where talking about
if its from halo 1,2,3 or halo wars.
number one elite zealots have double shields…and elite major is actually supposed to resemble a spartan the best. meaning if you had 100 elite majors thats like 100 spartans…anyway the corridors wouldent be much of a problem for them…
as well spec ops elites have infinite camo…only thermal would catch them because there camo gives off alot of energy
oh aswell there radar would catch any storm trooper hiding.
This relates to the Halo vs. SW argument; the Stormtroopers have vastly superior weapons on their side, more advanced equipment and the pure unfaltering trillions of infantry that make up the Stormtrooper corps.
Given default weaponry, your average group of stormtroopers is actually wroth more than a squad of elites (mainly due to the fact that they could level Elites with their weapons easily). And with non-standard layout, it just got much more nasty for the elites….
Well, the stormtroopers have numbers on their side, but that might not be enough.
Since there are a massive variety of Stormtroopers available, I suggest a base test scenario in which we analyse the capacity of each Stomrtrooper class against a higher echelon Elite warrior, such as the Elite Zealot. So here you have it:
Stormtrooper Infantry: Despite superior weapons technology, this essentially represents the bog-standard Infantry class; and would on most occasions not fare too well against a Zealot. If the Trooper can hit the Zealot first though he would drop him quickly. But this all depends upon accuracy and timing.
T’Syriél Stormtroopers: Elite stormtroopers recruited from the T’Syriél, a species who in their unarmoured state could eat Elites for breakfast; as Troopers they would crush an Elite Zealot with their bare hands. This is a no-brainer victory.
Air Troopers: Similar to the Boba Fett Vs. MC fight, the main advantage these Troopers posess is Aerial superiority, speed and superior firepower.
ARC Trooper: An advanced Trooper class whose combat effectiveness outranks that of the 501st. Not fit to command Armies or other Troops, but highly zealous and extremely violent Troopers, inidividually these guys would put up a fearsome fight and could quite easily squash an Elite.
Dark Troopers: No question here. These would be the equivelant of the 40K Space Marines, except slightly more volatile and with heavier weapons. Just one Phase 0 Trooper could take on a Legion of Elites in a fight, a squad of them could destroy entire Armies.
Triumphant-Class Trooper: The ability for this Trooper to deploy a portable Membrane Shield (Making it in impenetrable to even Melee attacks) and to deliver an 180 degree arc of overwhelming firepower would put up more than enough resistance to any Elite Zealot.
Force sensitive Troopers: Although these Troopers were only Force templates (And therefore were not true force users) they were considered enough of a threat by Darth Vader to be ordered for execution (Which took an Army to accomplish). But their Combat prowess inidividually was considered equal to that of the Sith, making them superior combatants to any Elite Class.
Nova Troopers: Vader and Palpatines personal guard and one of the most advanced Stormtrooper classes available, next to the ARC Troopers these are some of the best fighters available.
Shadow Troopers: A Combination of the Jedi-Sith hybrid template and clones of Vader. Although they failed to reproduce force sensitive warriors, their Combat prowess superceeded that of Mace Windu, who was considered to be the most effective warrior in the entire Star Wars universe.
Then you have an assortment of various Special Operatives and Elite Troopers, such as: The 501st, Blackhole Troopers, Shock Troopers, Stormcommandos and Dark Trooper Commanders.
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Out of the entire list above, I’d say the only one who would face difficulty against a Zealot would be the regular Troopers; whilst the rest could more than easily put up decent fights. The T’Syriél, Dark Troopers, Triumphant-Class Trooper, Shadow Troopers and the Force sensitive Troopers are the ones who I believe could defeat a Zealot with ease.
@L-W
Solid, pretty solid. I thought we were gonna discuss the basic trooper of each side, not all the available variants. Somehow, I still think the basic Elite is superior to the basic Storm Trooper with the exeption of their issued weapons, but I will digress.
If we ARE including all the different tiers of each combatant then definitley STs win.
The Elites are physically superior to every variant of Stormtrooper.
And since I don’t know how well the Elite’s shields system would fare against the stormtroopers weapons, or the Stormtrooper’s armor against the Elite’s weapons and swords (they are not the same as a lightsaber, as they consist of concentrated plasma), I would say that these fight goes to the elites.
Matapiojo is right a regualr strom trooper won’t stand up to a regualr elite with just a rifle, but a ST with a chain gun (From starwars battlefront 2) would be able to take out a whole squad of elites.
hey L dub in the game star wars episode 3 revenge of the sith, there is a type of a clone that in a jet pack and has a flame thrower, and is hell to take down, do you know what it is?
also there is another class of troopers called anija trooper in the same game, they’re a lot more agile than any other trooper, which is sure to over come any type of elite.
Blaze troopers; ultra-heavily equipped troopers in exosuits designed for CQC in urban and jungle warfare, the “ninjas” are called “Clone Assassins” and are, well….assassins. They are both of questionable canon as that game is in some ways uncanon.
Anyway, a Stormtrooper is worth more than a Elite at range (not overall), and considering real life combat is practically never melee anymore, this is more important. Its likely that the E-11 could down an Elite Minor in 2-3 shots, thus a squad of stormtroopers has an advantage right off the bat against a squad elites.
And considering the Stormtrooper armor is designed to provide protection against the super-concentrated particle beams of SW, they would have little problem taking any of the standard issue Elite weaponry.
And as L-W said, it becomes even worse when the argument is extrapolated to the entirety of the Stormtrooper corps. who have literal dozens of specalized units.
theres also…
scout troopers
shock troopers
black hole troopers
aqua troopers
sand troopers
and the rest
“could down an Elite Minor in 2-3 shots”
actually i have to go with what was said about taking down MC and arbiter…ones hot and hte minors shields are down (there quite weak) and another would take him down. now minors would down quite quickly for there sense of not getting out of the way sometimes.
as well. a elite major is probably the best way to desribe the chief. the shields physical strength. now the only things making them worse is that without htere shields there less protected. as well they take cover far lesss because well your taking cover to gain your shields they wont.
anyway.
” If the Trooper can hit the Zealot first though he would drop him quickly.”
i doubt that. a zealots shield is far better the MC’s alone and are about overall as good as MC (without the luck) which is how he prevails against these guys. so once he gets shot once he gonna be in a diffrent spot avoiding fire… now how fast these guys run im not sure so im gonna say that might be questionable as well there reaction time but i know its far greater then any human could be.
“Air Troopers: Similar to the Boba Fett Vs. MC fight, the main advantage these Troopers posess is Aerial superiority, speed and superior firepower.”
ok compare them to a ranger elite. who normally has dual plasma rifles. yeah these guys are tough but so are ranger elites. ill do a little research on these guys but yeah they probably could best a ranger elite but im not making any promises.
now quite a few of thsoe you said could kill a zealot i kind of laughed at some of those points…zealots are extremly powerful.
now for the matter on hand about diffrent types of elites..
Minor-
yeah there not that powerful normally forget to move out of the way of enemy fire therefore can dgo down quickly…but in return are still extremly powerful.
Major-
best example of MC shields…they find cover much quicker and dodge more fire. so these guys could take on a couple of storm troopers.
Ultras-
would probably kill storm troopers after normal stormtrooper.
for the fact that these guys have thousands of kills and experiance under there belt.
wanna know why? the elites have a meritocracy. meaning they rank up by how good they are…so ultras are very powerful and could take on a few storm troopers with little problem seeing as they would dodge fire and in return dish out alot. though if they where overwhelmed by like 10 i have no doubt a single one of them couldent take on any more then 6…and 6 wouldnt be a walk in the park but two or three wouldent be the wrost problem for him.
Zealot-
these guys will murder basic elites and will take many hits to down. as well if these guys manage to make melee…then hte storm troopers are doomed.
Spec ops-
these guys are equivilent to majors or ultras. but have much better equipment they could have fuelrod guns…carbines anythign really…but what gives them a huge edge is infinite camo! these guys can make melee combat inless every stormtrooper has thermal trakers…because if so then camo is out of the question.
and i figured it would be a basic fight…as well i havent listed all the elites just average ones.
but there is one more thing…in halo two- when you fight sesa rufemee remember those things he throws? yeah creates more of him that do damage… and arnt that easy to kill.
the way hes throwing them around they dont look that hard to get ahold of…but even if they are then have a ranger elite throw five of them then have them bum rush the enemy. the enemy will pay attention to them while the others advance slightly.,.but regardless if its basic storm troopers against basic elite minor and major…well then i think its tipped towards the stormtroopers depending on number.
“basic elites”
sorry that was a typo that was meant for storm trooper. if there is another typo like that please inform me i kind of was typing that fast as i have a few things i need done.
I have to agree with Alpha (Once again), very little Combat is seen in close quarters in this day and age; and as we progress towards the future, the desired range of weaponry will aggressively expand beyond currently known limits. World War II proved that you never even had to see the enemy before you could shoot, as weapons technology improved we began to see the advent of Cruise missiles, GPS and satellite guided munitions that could strike targets without a human operator even needing tosee who they were killing.
Range is what matters here; and in the weapons department, Stormtroopers have a massive edge over the Elites. The standard issue Blaster alone would be enough to cripple and possibly cause severe or even fatal injuries to Elites in one shot. When you begin throw in the other standard issue weapons, things begin to look just as grim for the Elites who would suffer terrible casualties to concentrated Blaster fire.
Disruptor Rifles and Heavy Blasters would drop even Zealots in one shot; and the Thermal Detonator (Which each Trooper carries five of) would cause a high number of casualties amongst the Elite ranks with their Nuclear fusion detonators and large and immediatly lethal blast radius. For every weapon deployed by the Elites, the Stormtroopers would carry an improved, superior (Lighter, higher ammo capacity) and even more lethal version of.
Now this is in an instance where ONLY Elite Minors (Lower caste Elites) conflict with basic Stormtroopers (Lower caste Troopers). If you’re going to include the higher echelon and far more specialized Elites, such as the Spec Ops, Zealots or the Majors; then the Empire would have to deploy its own higher ranks of Troopers as countermeasures.
I’m not saying it would be an easy fight for either side, but in terms of weaponry posessed, Troopers simply have an immediate advantage. Especially when Trooper armour is specifically designed to dissipate heat; and Plasma bolts are essentially just that.
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Just a point I saw earlier that I had to disagree with, massively:
“The Elites are physically superior to every variant of Stormtrooper.” - By TL, post 13
Except in the case of Dark Troopers, T’Syriél, Triumphant-Class Trooper, Shadow Troopers and the Force sensitive Troopers; who would decimate Elites in hand to hand combat and any contest of physical strength or agility. As I mentioned, Dark Troopers would be able to pick up Tanks and use them as melee weapons. They could possibly even tear a Hunter in two with their bare hands.
The T’Syriél on the other hand would be equally if not stronger than the Dark Troopers, believe me when I say they could crush an Elite with a single punch.
i recon stormtroopes could take elites purly bcos vader and th emporer live on th death star so cud wade in nd start force killin
if they were DARKTROOPRES the elites wound be ownd
read and learn…….
Darktroopers picked up tanks and used them as weapons?
Hmm, I didn’t read about that anywhere.
How agile and fast are they?
And what tanks did they pick up?
Darktroopers arn’t that fast or agile. But they could take so much damage it isn’t even funny.
Literally tanks with legs is what they are. Empire FTW….
Well, if Galen Marek says so, I better believe him lol.
But seriously, I did read up on all variants of Stormtroopers, and I don’t think they stand a chance against the Elites.
Sure, it’ll be a tough fight for the Elites, but the Stormtroopers will still lose.
The Phase III Dark Trooper could easily lift a gross tonnage of around 70-80 tonnes (Demonstrated when it lifted a lot of Star-Class heavy Cargo that had fallen on it’s head) as it was a three metre tall Goliath built entirely out of advanced robotics, pure insanity and one very lucky Stormtrooper.
Essentially it was an exoskeleton that gave the Trooper ridiculous levels of titanic strength, which was modeled directly from the Durge Bounty Hunter armour.
It never depicts a Tank being used as a melee weapon, but when you consider that modern Tanks weigh around 60 tonnes and that the Covenant and Star Wars Tanks use lighter alloys (Thus being lighter overall) it would seem feasible that a Darktrooper COULD lift a Tank.
You just have to use your I-M-A-G-I-N-A-T-I-O-N. Notice that I say:
“Dark Troopers would be able to pick up Tanks and use them as melee weapon”
Not that they do or have been depicted doing, but they would be capable of. Notice the difference in what I said and what you suggested. Language can be an excellent ally if you know how to use it.
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Meh, who needs to be fast and agile when you can saturate the entire area in Assault Cannon rounds.
@L-W
I concede to your points. My argument for the Elites was based on them having better tactics to engage the STs at close range where they would dominate, but it is more likely that the fight would indeed be kept at a range where the troopers would be the victors.
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